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Anthony Jury Reached Correct Verdict
Town Hall ^ | 7/07/11 | reasonmclucus

Posted on 07/07/2011 1:45:03 PM PDT by kathsua

The Casey Anthony jury reached the correct verdict. The question put to the jury wasn't did Casey Anthony kill her daughter Caylee Anthony, but did she deliberately carry out a plan to murder Caylee by suffocating her with duct tape.

The jury didn't buy the prosecutor's claim of premeditated murder and its easy to understand why they might have rejected it. When I first heard of what the prosecution was attempting to do I thought they had a difficult, if not impossible, task before them.

I could believe that Casey got frustrated because she couldn't get her daughter to shut up and covered Caylee's mouth with duct tape to keep her quiet rather than to kill her. Casey might have positioned the tape carelessly or the child might have had a stopped nose with the end result that Caylee was unable to breathe and died. I have difficulty accepting the claim that Casey is mentally capable of planning to kill her daughter by using duct tape to suffocate her.

Casey was unable to accept responsibility for her action and tried to cover it up. Perhaps she had difficulty admitting to herself what she had done.

American prosecutors suffer from a "disease" which causes them to try to present every wrongful death as premeditated murder. Perhaps prosecutors feel they get better publicity if they convict an evil killer then if they convict someone for doing something stupid.

I don't know if Casey Anthony caused her daughter's death or not, but it would be unfortunate if she will go unpunished for the death because prosecutors made the mistake of trying to turn a tragedy into something sinister.


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The problem with the legal system is that it is run by lawyers who often more interested in defeating each other than in such concepts as "truth" and "justice". Lawyers are trained to make the guilty look innocent and the innocent look guilty.
1 posted on 07/07/2011 1:45:06 PM PDT by kathsua
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To: kathsua

This article is the worst type off speculative tripe.


2 posted on 07/07/2011 1:47:10 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: kathsua
The problem with the legal system is that it is run by lawyers who often more interested in defeating each other than in such concepts as "truth" and "justice".

That's why you should never talk to the police.

3 posted on 07/07/2011 1:49:11 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." - Bertrand de Jouvenel des Ursins)
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To: traderrob6

The whole prosecution was speculative tripe.


4 posted on 07/07/2011 1:49:23 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: kathsua

Defense lawyers try to pick a jury that have an IQ below 100. These individuals will believe anything when it comes to resonable doubt, even the ‘green martian theory’. First question asked when picking a jury pool is, ‘are you a democrat’? In the defense eyes this is grounds for immediate jury qualification.

The real reason why polygraphs are not admissable in court is because it would put half the trial lawyers out of business.


5 posted on 07/07/2011 1:50:28 PM PDT by doc
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To: kathsua

If I cover a person’s mouth and nose with duct tape I do this with the knowledge that this act will cause their death. Tis such a silly world.


6 posted on 07/07/2011 1:51:59 PM PDT by reaganator
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To: kathsua

Bullcrap.

Not telling anyone your child is gone and lying about what happened to the child for 31 days, and leaving the body to rot for many months, is child abuse.

Jury of morons found no child abuse.

The writer is a fool.


7 posted on 07/07/2011 1:53:43 PM PDT by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: kathsua

The jury was given choices; First-Degree Murder, which implies premeditation; also “Aggravated Child Abuse” or “Aggravated Manslaughter,” which do not necessarily.


8 posted on 07/07/2011 1:54:27 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: ilovesarah2012
overcharged....they took a gamble and tried to scare a sociopath into a plea bargain...but Anthony was in a bitter battle with her mother over her dtr....I suspect that the Grandmother was butting heads with the mother ..I recall reports of a serious fight between the two shortly before Calee went missing...

should have charged her with negligent homicide...something happened during Casey's "watch" that lead to the death of the little girl....I think then she would have been convicted...

America lives.....

9 posted on 07/07/2011 1:55:27 PM PDT by cherry
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To: doc

Sorry but polygraphs are unreliable and that is why they are not permitted in courts.


10 posted on 07/07/2011 1:56:39 PM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: ilovesarah2012

I don’t know why the prosecution went for murder 1. I believe they could have convicted her on a lesser charge or perhaps even plea bargained a lesser charge and put her away for 20 years or more.


11 posted on 07/07/2011 1:56:51 PM PDT by BBell
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To: kathsua
I have difficulty accepting the claim that Casey is mentally capable of planning to kill her daughter by using duct tape to suffocate her.

There are always people who refuse to accept evil, with given concrete evidence of sociopathy staring them in the face.

I just wish they would stay off juries.

12 posted on 07/07/2011 1:57:09 PM PDT by truthkeeper (Vote Against Barack Obama in 2012!)
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To: kathsua

The author is just another moron in a long line of morons. Conviction on aggravated child abuse is a no brainer. That she wasn’t convicted of that charge and that this moron doesn’t think she should have been is simply evidence that there are millions more potential moronic jurors in the jury pool. The shallow end of the pool btw.


13 posted on 07/07/2011 1:59:05 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: kathsua

Courts should consider equity as well as the law. If a death was caused by ones actions, then that person should be held accountable regardless of which technical charge was brought. No one should “get away with murder”.

I know that’s not the reality but it’s the way it ought to be.


14 posted on 07/07/2011 1:59:05 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: ilovesarah2012

Those who believe circumstantial evidence is meaningless would agree with you.


15 posted on 07/07/2011 2:00:14 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: cherry

Well if duct tape from your house ends up on the corpse in the swamp it is logical to assume someone in your household applied it to that corpse. There was no evidence that it was done post-mortem. I am here in Central Florida and disappointed that 12 Floridians did not use common sense and a bit more time to come to a just decision.


16 posted on 07/07/2011 2:01:14 PM PDT by vicar7
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To: kathsua

Anthony Jury Reached Correct Verdict

You'll never get me to agree with you so don't waste the bandwidth.

17 posted on 07/07/2011 2:03:12 PM PDT by McGruff (Why do they fear her so?)
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To: BBell

I agree the bar for asking for the death penalty should be very high and asking ordinary folks to sentence someone to death can be almost impossible when the cause of death is not proveable.

Its amazing that the 12 people that made up the jury were never exposed to all the media frenzy day after day on the cable tv shows and they had a total different perspective of the evidence that was presented.

I’ve been there - done that and I respect them totally.


18 posted on 07/07/2011 2:08:05 PM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: BBell

I agree. I never thought they would get first degree murder.


19 posted on 07/07/2011 2:08:57 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

>>Jury of morons found no child abuse.

The writer is a fool.<<

They were not looking for child abuse. They were not asked to give an opinion on child abuse. They were asked to give an opinion on whether or not the mother committed First Degree Murder. The answer was no.

I wonder what they would say if asked if they thought she abused her child. Not that is is relevant to the court.


20 posted on 07/07/2011 2:09:41 PM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: traderrob6

I disagree.

I think that the worst kind of speculative tripe is put out by people like Nancy Grace and Greta Sustern.

They harp and hype these cases endlessly for ratings and money.

Then when the cases don’t turn out the way their pimping would have the public believe they should, the public erupts in fake outrage.

How many people have said that justice wasn’t done, when all of their information about the case comes through a media filter?

Ironic: The number of so-called conservatives who moan and cry about the “lame stream media” and simultaneously gripe about the “stupid” jury - the only 12 people to get the case without a media filter.


21 posted on 07/07/2011 2:10:18 PM PDT by mountainbunny
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To: kathsua

Aggravated manslaughter does not require premeditation, simple nelgiglence will do. How she was acquitted of the AM charge I have no idea.


22 posted on 07/07/2011 2:10:30 PM PDT by bereanway
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To: bereanway

Wow, sorry I meant negligence.


23 posted on 07/07/2011 2:11:42 PM PDT by bereanway
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To: traderrob6

I don’t think circumstanial evidence is meaningless. But from the evidence I heard, I can’t say for sure Casey caused Caylee’s death. I can’t say it wasn’t an accident or that another person caused Caylee’s death. From pictures of Casey with Caylee, she seemed to love her daughter. There were no reports of abuse. I think Casey has serious mental problems, one being a pathological liar. But I just didn’t see enough evidence that she murdered her child.


24 posted on 07/07/2011 2:11:45 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: kathsua

This seems to be the best take on the case.My wife and I have both sat on juries in cases when the prosecution made charges that were way beyond what was provable. It results on criminals getting off of charges that should have sent them to prison for 5-10 rather than 20-life the prosecution was trying for. It is not a rare outcome. It is more and more the norm.


25 posted on 07/07/2011 2:13:34 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: kathsua
The jury didn't buy the prosecutor's claim of premeditated murder and its easy to understand why they might have rejected it

If that was the only verdict they were given, I might agree, however, they had two other options to chose from. They rejected all claims of guilt and thus a child murder walks among us.

26 posted on 07/07/2011 2:15:47 PM PDT by StarFan
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To: kathsua
The jury didn't buy the prosecutor's claim of premeditated murder and its easy to understand why they might have rejected it

If that was the only verdict they were given, I might agree, however, they had two other options to chose from. They rejected all claims of guilt and thus a child murderer walks among us.

27 posted on 07/07/2011 2:16:12 PM PDT by StarFan
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To: kathsua

What nonsense!


28 posted on 07/07/2011 2:17:46 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: vicar7

How ironic.

You really don’t understand that “assume” and “evidence” are mutually exclusive concepts, do you?

I am truly shocked and disheartened that so many current FReepers aren’t appalled the state tried to convict someone of murder knowing full well they had no positive evidence, what-so-ever.


29 posted on 07/07/2011 2:19:27 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: mountainbunny
They harp and hype these cases endlessly for ratings and money. Then when the cases don’t turn out the way their pimping would have the public believe they should, the public erupts in fake outrage.

Got that right.

There are hundreds of children murdered every year in America. Many of their killers get away. Yet we are supposed to obsess over this one case like it was the only crime ever committed.

I make a point of changing the channel every time this sort of manipulative tabloid "news" comes on.

30 posted on 07/07/2011 2:21:18 PM PDT by Notary Sojac (I have not heard a single Michele or Cain backer threaten to stay home if Palin is nominated.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Please defend your statement that the prosecutors case was “speculative tripe”.


31 posted on 07/07/2011 2:22:57 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: ilovesarah2012
From pictures of Casey with Caylee, she seemed to love her daughter. There were no reports of abuse.

Oyvey.

32 posted on 07/07/2011 2:24:56 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: doc
The real reason why polygraphs are not admissable in court is because it would put half the trial lawyers out of business.

The real reson polygraphs are inadmissible in court is that they are junk science and totally unreliable. The same witness can get polygraph tests from three polygraph operators and get three different results.

33 posted on 07/07/2011 2:28:56 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: traderrob6

From the evidence, it was possible Caylee died accidentally. It is possible someone other than Casey caused her death. I don’t believe they found any fingerprints on the duct tape or trash bag. There is no confession, no eye witnesses. All they had was a body - no cause of death. The most damning evidence to me was that Casey did not notify the police that her child was missing. There was conflicting testimony from various “experts”. All in all, not a very convincing case, IMO.


34 posted on 07/07/2011 2:29:17 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: RobRoy
They were not looking for child abuse. They were not asked to give an opinion on child abuse. They were asked to give an opinion on whether or not the mother committed First Degree Murder. The answer was no.

Nonsense, she was also charged with aggravated child abuse and acquitted. Maybe if she had waited two months to report her missing daughter, went out dancing a few more times while her daughter lay rotting in a swamp and put a few more wraps of duct tape on Caylee's head she would have been found guilty of the abuse charge.

35 posted on 07/07/2011 2:30:59 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: reaganator

Orlando (CNN) — Duct tape found on Caylee Anthony’s skull was placed there after the toddler’s body had decomposed, not before she died, a forensic pathologist testified Saturday as the murder trial of the girl’s mother ended its fourth week on a contentious note.

Prosecutors claim Caylee’s mother, Casey Anthony, used chloroform to make her daughter unconscious then used duct tape to cover her nose and mouth, suffocating her. The girl’s skeletal remains were found in a wooded field six months after her family last reported seeing her.

Dr. Werner Spitz said he believes the tape was placed on the body long after the flesh had disappeared to hold the jaw bone on, perhaps because someone wanted to move it.

Spitz also criticized the Orange County medical examiner, Dr. Jan Garavaglia, for conducting what he termed a “shoddy autopsy” by failing to cut Caylee’s skull open to look inside.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/06/18/florida.casey.anthony.trial/index.html


36 posted on 07/07/2011 2:32:16 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: vicar7
So who applied the duct tape?
37 posted on 07/07/2011 2:33:56 PM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: starlifter

Casey applied the duct tape she was under her care at time there is no evidence of anyone else. I did not mention the 31 days yet.


38 posted on 07/07/2011 3:00:10 PM PDT by vicar7
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To: ilovesarah2012

The duct tape was applied pre-mortem because it held the lower jaw together even after decomposition. Dr Spitz was discredited in his view in cross examination.


39 posted on 07/07/2011 3:04:08 PM PDT by vicar7
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To: vicar7

How was he discredited? I didn’t see much of the trial so I don’t know.


40 posted on 07/07/2011 3:05:25 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

He stated that the lower jaw had the duct applied post death after thrown in the woods even blaming law enforcement personnel possibly. Jeff Ashton the attorney was masterful in asking him to explain that one. The skull in the swamp was intact when it should not have been due to being held by duct tape from the Anthony house. There was no evidence anyone else but Casey applied it and noone else driving a stinky car around with a decomposed body inside.


41 posted on 07/07/2011 3:14:08 PM PDT by vicar7
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To: StarFan

The prosecution spent the entire court case trying to prove murder 1 and spent 0 time on the other charges.


42 posted on 07/07/2011 3:17:49 PM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: kathsua

The Casey Anthony verdict was a travesty of justice. The jury were after the fact accomplices to the murder of Caylee Anthony.

The scenario that you set out is known as felony murder, a crime that is eligible for the death penalty. Alternatively, with a tweak of the facts, if what you have in mind is involuntary manslaughter, the jury could have found Casey Anthony guilty on that because it was a lesser included charge.

Attorneys and judges in Orlando who followed the case closely thought Casey Anthony was guilty and that she would be convicted of at least manslaughter. What happened then? Why the bad result?

In high profile cases, jurors with knowledge of the case due to news media coverage are weeded out. As in the OJ case, this tends to result in a jury of disengaged dummies who pay little attention to news and public events. Those kind of people tend to make bad jurors.

More generally, in addition to the dumbing down of America, over the last several decades, Americans have been taught to be “nonjudgmental” and “tolerant” and to ignore politically and culturally sensitive facts and issues. This has diminished the capacity of the general public to make reasonable judgments and to face unpleasant facts.

The jurors seem to have thought that Casey Anthony was a good mother because some said that she was — when they were watching. Of course, to think that Casey was a good mother ignores the hours she spent partying instead of being with her toddler.

I am hard put to imagine a “good mother” not calling 911 immediately after an accidental death of her child, then hiding and dumping the body, and casting elaborate lies for weeks about the child’s whereabouts.

Those internet searches for chloroform and neck breaking are especially ominous as they show premeditation. There is simply no sensible explanation for the duct tape except as a way to smother little Caylee.

I am also struck by comments by Anthony jurors that misunderstand what reasonable doubt means and how inferences can and must be drawn from facts. The jurors put a burden on the state that could not be met by requiring that all possible doubt be excluded, not just reasonable doubt. The jurors also seemed to expect forensic evidence that was simply unavailable.

The best hope for justice is if time and events eventually catch up to Casey Anthony.


43 posted on 07/07/2011 3:20:00 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: vicar7
Was there any evidence SHE applied it? If so, please do tell...
44 posted on 07/07/2011 3:21:10 PM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: papertyger

I agree. Just ask Rush Limbaugh about how the State of Florida went after him on trumped-up charges.


45 posted on 07/07/2011 3:23:15 PM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: Rockingham

BUMP to your insightful analysis!


46 posted on 07/07/2011 3:23:56 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: jwalsh07
Conviction on aggravated child abuse is a no brainer.

I guess that part just slipped the brilliant author's mind.
47 posted on 07/07/2011 3:25:29 PM PDT by ZX12R
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To: starlifter

Someone in the Anthony household did because it was their duct tape. I am sure there would have been fingerprints and DNA had it not rotted in a swamp for six months, or if Casey would have told the police the truth after 31 days of a “missing child.” As the forensic folks said heat and water are the biggest enemies of forensic evidence. So 6 months in hot Florida weather plus a swamp caused the Hurricane Faye that worked well to hide valuable evidence that would have led to an easier case to prove. The Pros was awesome and Jeff Ashton was outstanding. The Jury not so much they never asked to look at ANY evidence.


48 posted on 07/07/2011 3:48:22 PM PDT by vicar7
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To: vicar7

A bug expert testified Friday that a key part of the prosecution’s murder case against Florida mother Casey Anthony, the smell of death in the trunk of her car, can be explained instead as the smell of trash.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/06/17/fight-erupts-among-spectators-at-casey-anthony-trial/#ixzz1RSlJLHBt


49 posted on 07/07/2011 4:09:11 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Revolting cat!

Thank you.


50 posted on 07/07/2011 4:34:48 PM PDT by Rockingham
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