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Some fear GOP could fracture (Bob Dole, RINOs attack "right-wing hard-core" Tea Partiers)
Johnson County Sun, Overland Park, Kan. ^ | 2011-07-07 | Loren Stanton

Posted on 07/07/2011 8:46:21 PM PDT by rabscuttle385

For years now there has been a clear power struggle within the Kansas Republican Party, but some major party figures say something about that tussle has changed.

The rift between conservatives and moderates, they maintain, is widening into a chasm that could have significant implications for the party and the state.

"I see Kansas Republicans being more divided than in years past," said Senate Majority Leader John Vratil of Leawood.

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...conservative forces in the Capitol are stronger than ever.

But many aligned with that side of the party want more. They seek decisive legislative majorities that could push an aggressive conservative agenda.

And if getting there means working for the ouster of more moderate GOP senators, then so be it.

Vratil is one of three such targeted senators from Johnson County, and he is being frank about what is happening and what it could mean.

"This has a chance to destroy the Kansas Republican Party as an effective political entity," Vratil said. "Even Bob Dole would be considered a RINO by (their) standards. He has told me that."

One Johnson County-based conservative political group called Union of Patriots recently held what it called a RINO (Republican In Name Only) Retirement Dinner.

(snip)

Vratil clearly believes the kind of internal divide evidenced by the RINO dinner - coupled with what he sees as a radical conservative agenda - could prove detrimental to the party.

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But Sen. Owens of Overland Park, another of the so-called RINOs, also believes the rhetoric and tactics now being employed by some on the right will be damaging.

"If they continue in the right-wing hard-core Republican belief of things and display an angry and vicious approach to things, it will backfire on them," Owens said.

(Excerpt) Read more at kccommunitynews.com ...


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: bachmann; bobdole; globalism; kansas; michele; politics; rinopurge; teapartyrebellion
"Even Bob Dole would be considered a RINO by (their) standards. He has told me that."


1 posted on 07/07/2011 8:46:25 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385

remember when bob dope (r-kansas) did “bipartisanship” with the democrat socialists and spent the social security surplus?


2 posted on 07/07/2011 8:48:05 PM PDT by ken21 (liberal + rino progressive media hate palin, bachman, cain...)
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To: ken21

Something must be making Dole concerned for his fellow RINO’s.
Could it be the upcoming 2012 elections?


3 posted on 07/07/2011 8:51:27 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: rabscuttle385
The ruling-class RINOs think they're still in charge.

Just wait until Sarah declares.

4 posted on 07/07/2011 8:51:27 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." - Bertrand de Jouvenel des Ursins)
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To: rabscuttle385

Bob “lets make a deal” Dole is the very definition of a RINO. He single handedly turned a possible victory by the Newt Gingrich led House, into a sure defeat during that times war over spending. If he would have hung with his stablemates, this country would be very different right now. Quite possibly we would have had a balanced budget amendment and term limits also. I give the the double “flying finger of fate” award, and a hearty TWEET QUACK.


5 posted on 07/07/2011 8:53:01 PM PDT by runninglips (Republicans = 99 lb weaklings of politics.)
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To: rabscuttle385

If Republicans behave like Democrats, why do we need two parties?


6 posted on 07/07/2011 8:53:33 PM PDT by griswold3 (Character is Destiny)
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To: rabscuttle385

Weird how you never hear the old DemocRATS whining about the Marxists and Communists taking over their party. Now there’s some “extremists”.


7 posted on 07/07/2011 8:54:25 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (When the going gets tough, the tough check themselves into "rehab".)
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To: rabscuttle385

The Republican party needs more specific descriptions..

I Submit...........
RR = Republican
RD = Republican/ democrat
RP = Republican phonies/shills/fakes/poseurs..
RS = Republican spineless
RC = republican clueless


8 posted on 07/07/2011 8:54:40 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: rabscuttle385

Bob Dole IS a RINO.


9 posted on 07/07/2011 8:54:52 PM PDT by Ronin ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves" -- Bertrand de Jouve)
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To: rabscuttle385
The rift between conservatives and moderates, they maintain, is widening into a chasm that could have significant implications for the party and the state.

Time for the "moderates" to form their own milquetoast third party and get the Hell out of the way.

10 posted on 07/07/2011 8:55:55 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." - Bertrand de Jouvenel des Ursins)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

If the budget deal includes tax hikes and promises to cut spending there will a third party.


11 posted on 07/07/2011 8:58:39 PM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Didn't Bob Dole lose?...


12 posted on 07/07/2011 9:01:32 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (SOAK THE GLOBALISTS. Globalists destroy US jobs.)
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To: rabscuttle385

all RINOS should go join either the democrap or communist party!


13 posted on 07/07/2011 9:04:07 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: rabscuttle385
"If they continue in the right-wing hard-core Republican belief of things and display an angry and vicious approach to things, it will backfire on them," Owens said.

These people sure do go on like Democrats, don't they? They've got more animus toward conservatives than toward socialists. Should tell you all you need to know.
14 posted on 07/07/2011 9:07:56 PM PDT by Antoninus (What part of "I won't vote for Romney under any circumstances" don't you understand?)
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To: hosepipe
May I submit to you a new one:

RINOCRAT

15 posted on 07/07/2011 9:08:17 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: rabscuttle385

Two questions.

One, how old is Bob Dole? Like, 120?

Two, he can still talk?


16 posted on 07/07/2011 9:08:50 PM PDT by lurk
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To: hosepipe

I think the real split is between the “Tea Party” and the “Cocktail Party”.

The Tea Party does not need much definition. It’s the same one that has been all over the news since 2009 and the movement’s aims and agenda is pretty well known.

The Cocktail Party includes the RINO set, but should primarily be defined as those people who have shifted their allegiance from the people who voted them into office, to their “peers”, and by necessity the government which provides them with their status as members of the Georgetown cocktail party set.

The Cocktail Party set is insidious and beguiling. Fresh faces, full of virtue and determined to do right as defined by the people who voted them into office, arrive in Washington where the Cocktail Party elite immediately goes to work breaking down their idealism and corrupting them into malleable new members of the “elite”.

Old whores like Dole, McCain and others (and yes I use that offensive word intentionally) were co-opted by the Cocktail Party so long ago, they probably don’t even remember their idealistic youth.


17 posted on 07/07/2011 9:08:55 PM PDT by Ronin ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves" -- Bertrand de Jouve)
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To: Ronin

He was the worst candidate ever run in 100 years. Like we need advice from him.


18 posted on 07/07/2011 9:10:22 PM PDT by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Yeah, but then he helped install his wife in the Senate right after, so he was still in the club.


19 posted on 07/07/2011 9:11:07 PM PDT by ngat
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To: rabscuttle385

How come leftists and moderates aren’t ever called “divisive”??

Pushing gay marriage and homo indoctrination of children is not controversial at all, is it?


20 posted on 07/07/2011 9:14:42 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: rabscuttle385

“Vratil clearly believes the kind of internal divide evidenced by the RINO dinner - coupled with what he sees as a radical conservative agenda - could prove detrimental to the party”

But immeasurably beneficial to the United States of America. Country before party. Honor before dishonor.


21 posted on 07/07/2011 9:15:00 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Sarah Palin is the mirror by which evil reflects back upon itself until consumed out of existence)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

They need to form their own Moderate Party


22 posted on 07/07/2011 9:16:31 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Ronin

Kansas, the “solid Republican State” is really a state where the “moderate” republicans would actually be democrats anywhere else...

Populism and compromise have got us where we are. that’s why we manage to elect so many democrat and weak republican governors.

Wake up people! Quit wishing you were Iowa or Minnesota.

No compromise with socialist/populist progressives.


23 posted on 07/07/2011 9:16:49 PM PDT by One Name
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To: rabscuttle385
The rift between conservatives and moderates, they maintain, is widening into a chasm that could have significant implications for the party and the state.

Rift? Moderate is a filthy word. More like a battle.

And if getting there means working for the ouster of more moderate GOP senators, then so be it.

Then so be it, by God.

Vratil clearly believes the kind of internal divide evidenced by the RINO dinner - coupled with what he sees as a radical conservative agenda - could prove detrimental to the party.

'Moderate' (code for leftist compromiser) says 'radical' conservatives are bad. Conservatives (non-compromisers) are bad. Not 'in touch' with Joe/ Jane voter. Bye now, Mr. Moderate.

24 posted on 07/07/2011 9:17:56 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((unite))
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To: One Name

Ditto. Big time.


25 posted on 07/07/2011 9:18:57 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((unite))
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To: rabscuttle385

They seek decisive legislative majorities that could push an aggressive conservative agenda.

And if getting there means working for the ouster of more moderate GOP senators, then so be it.
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Amen——Amen-———Amen

Moderate GOP Senators. You have been warned.


26 posted on 07/07/2011 9:36:20 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: lurk
he can still talk?

Yes. It sounds kinda slurpy, though -- as he drools into his oatmeal.

27 posted on 07/07/2011 9:54:25 PM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great... ...until it happens to YOU.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Of course the GOP is going to fracture on some level.

That’s the way political parties remake themselves, which, from time to time, becomes necessary.

The party either fractures literally and the Tea Party replaces the GOP, which then goes the way of the Whigs.

Or the party fractures figuratively and the Tea Party displaces the GOP, which then goes away except, perhaps, in name only.

So the irony is that if the GOP wants to survive, it has to become the GOPINO. Because the Tea Party is either going to RE-place it or DIS-place it.


28 posted on 07/07/2011 10:20:26 PM PDT by fightinJAG (TAXPAYERS OF THE WORLD UNITE.)
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To: griswold3

We will always have two major parties. The Constitution’s winner-take-all scheme makes that functionally inevitable.

However, those two major parties can and will change over time.

They will either change internally (revamp themself) or externally (be displaced by a new party, leaving them to either go away or become a runt/third/meaningless party).

The GOP has a choice: become the Tea Party or be replaced by the Tea Party.

Whig or Republican?


29 posted on 07/07/2011 10:23:27 PM PDT by fightinJAG (TAXPAYERS OF THE WORLD UNITE.)
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To: AD from SpringBay

Except it will be the GOP that becomes the “third” (i.e., marginal, loser) party.

The Tea Party would become the second major party, either under that name or taking over the GOP name in name only.

But the old gig is up and the old boys can adapt or die (politically).


30 posted on 07/07/2011 10:26:19 PM PDT by fightinJAG (TAXPAYERS OF THE WORLD UNITE.)
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To: Antoninus

“They’ve got more animus toward conservatives than toward socialists. Should tell you all you need to know.”

What tells ME all I need to know is that this is out of Overland Park - a yuppie, liberal, elitist, cookie-cutter suburb of Kansas City.


31 posted on 07/07/2011 10:31:35 PM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: MestaMachine

Exactly.

“Party” will take care of itself. It is not an entity to be served and protected in its own right. It is only a means to an end — the end being the people having a voice to stand up for and enforce constitutionally limited government.

Ultimately, the party will have to bend to the will of the people. It has no other reason for being.

And if the party presently called the GOP somehow refuses this call of political nature, it will go away and be replaced by a party that will.

Welcome to the political jungle, Bob Dole.

Darwin shoveled a huge pile of bullcrap on a lot of points, but “survival of the fittest” to do the job the people want done happens to apply to that manmade construct known as a “political party.”


32 posted on 07/07/2011 10:32:00 PM PDT by fightinJAG (TAXPAYERS OF THE WORLD UNITE.)
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To: He Rides A White Horse
The rift between conservatives and moderates, they maintain, is widening into a chasm that could have significant implications for the party and the state.

Well, I should hope so.

33 posted on 07/07/2011 10:33:03 PM PDT by fightinJAG (TAXPAYERS OF THE WORLD UNITE.)
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To: fightinJAG
Well, I should hope so.

Note how the tone of the article is an ultimatum; that's what RINOs do. If you don't want to pander to leftists, they want to kick you out of the 'big tent'. Not that I care to be under it.

34 posted on 07/07/2011 10:52:22 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((unite))
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To: rabscuttle385

Come primary time the RINOs will be licking their wounds in de feet.
Go Tea party, Go real Conservatives.


35 posted on 07/08/2011 3:22:35 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Arm yourself and learn how to use it to protect your family)
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To: rabscuttle385
The Tea Party arose from the private sector's realization that capitalism was under seige. Employers had sensed this for some time, but the Tea Parties didn't have numbers and thus power until employees saw that declaring their employers as the enemy would in the end be harmful to them.

The myth being purveyed by the left is that you can attack "the rich" with impunity, but the rank and file finally figured out that this cannot be so, thus, the Tea Parties.

36 posted on 07/08/2011 4:41:02 AM PDT by wayoverontheright (The Democratic Party is trying to end "the private sector as we know it".)
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To: rabscuttle385

Does he really think McCain didn’t fracture the GOP?


37 posted on 07/08/2011 4:43:05 AM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: Ronin

Nice mini rant.. the Cocktail Party is indeed where many get addicted to government...
Government can and does act like a drug to some people..
Addicted is what they get..

Same process must be present in LOCAL and STATE government as well..
This is an interesting concept to ruminate over..
GOVERNMENT ADDICTION!!!!!!...


38 posted on 07/08/2011 8:48:11 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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