Skip to comments.The Death Of A Child: Lessons Learned
Posted on 07/09/2011 10:14:02 AM PDT by Starman417
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Casey Pantomimes Like A Petulant Child upon Learning She Must Stay In Prison A Few More Days
America died with Caylee Anthony, not literally, but we will never be the same. A Narcissistic mother forgets to report her daughter missing, decides to party for a month and get a tattoo that reads "Beautiful Life," while her daughter decomposes in a plastic sack. Is this the sign of a mad woman; perhaps it is a desensitizing to the ideal of a mother's right to choose or what we should celebrate as our culture of death. Ms Anthony has spent the last four years in jail, but if she would have elected to have a partial birth abortion and had her daughter's brain sucked out while being born, there would have been no issue.
Twenty-four plus months of indecision separated Ms Anderson from being without blame and spending years in prison with the possibility of execution. If she killed her daughter in order to party without the inconvenience of caring for a toddler, she waited too long to make up her mind. However, it appeared as though she enjoyed the media attention; but a partial birth abortion (now illegal) doesn't put you on everyone's TV screen and in the tabloids. Thus in the illogic reasoning of a Narcissist, the jail time may have been an inconvenience, but altogether necessary to achieve ever elusive fame. Even now that it is over, she will need to be under guard to be protected from the angry mob. It is like being a celebrity or a member of the First Family, at least in the mind of a psychopath.
Now we have a precedent for mothers who grow tired of their young children, since they are here on approval whether for a few months or a few weeks in the uterus, why not extend the period. Let's say you can opt out for an abortion at say two years as long as it can't be determined how the child died or probable cause can't be shown. What mother wants to harm their child, well if the child prevents her from enjoying the life of a liberated female with the freedom to choose, there may be thousands. Of course this is an arbitrary probationary period, perhaps we should make the cut off period three years or even five years. That would be long enough to either establish bonding or let the mother decide whether she is really ready to take care of the walking fetus. Yes, until they start school, they should now be called walking fetuses. That way the public and family will realize the mother is still in deliberation as to whether she wants to abort the walking fetus.
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She’s schizo. They’re turning her loose to kill again.
Here in Houston we had a mom drown her 5 kids...but all she got was sympathy. It was SICKENING.
So I cannot figure out why people are mad at this babe. After all, she only killed 1 child.
WRONG!!! Every bowel movement I have is an Obama, and I apologize to each for the insult.
It’s really disguting how hard it is to convict young mothers of murder I and impose a much deserved death penalty when they murder their children. I paticularly remember Susan Smith, a white woman who drowned her three sons, then tried to blame her horrible crime on a nonexisent black man. Furtunately the authorities did a relly good job and nailed her. Then a jury, which included black people who, of all poeople, should have seen how horrific the attempted frame was, found her guilty of a lesser form of murder and didn’t impose the death penalty.
Think of it as retroactive abortion.
Killing 1 kid is kind of humdrum, but you kill 5 you are a star!
From the Medical Examiner’s Report:
Conclusion/Opinion: As often is the case with a skeletonized individual, the exact cause of death cannot be determined with certainty. The manner of death is an opinion based on available information, including circumstances surrounding the death, information from the scene, and examination of the skeletal remains.
The circumstances of death are that this toddler child, with no known medical history, was not reported missing to authorities for approximately 30 days. This child’s remains were eventually found in a wooded, overgrown area, discarded with two trash bags and a laundry bag. Although there is no trauma evident on the skeleton, there is duct tape over the lower facial region still attached to head hair. This duct tape was clearly placed prior to decomposition, keeping the mandible in place.
The clustering of vertebrae at the scene separate from the location of the bags and skull indicate animal activity occurring at this location after decomposition started, but before complete disarticulation of the skeleton. This indicates the body was put in this location prior to complete skeletonization. The roots growing into the vertebrae and bags indicate that the body was placed there months prior to being found. There is nothing inconsistent with the body being placed there soon after the date of being last seen alive.
It is, thus, my opinion that, although the cause of death cannot be determined with certainty, the manner of death is homicide.
Comments on weaknesses in this examiners conclusion/opinion as far as it’s being used as evidence:
a) Manner of death is described as circumstantial by the conclusion/opinion itself in the first paragraph. People have taken to assuming that the Medical Examiner’s report provided physical evidence of homicide and that all the other evidence in the trial was circumstantial, when, in fact, even the Medical Examiner’s report was circumstantial and the report itself clearly states how it is based on circumstantial evidence in the first paragraph of it’s conclusion/opinion.
b) Also in the first paragraph, it states that the cause of death cannot be determined with certainty, but no possible cause of death is offered anywhere in the report. So saying it cannot be determined with certainty is a misrepresentation which would tend to imply that the cause of death is determined by the report with at least some small amount of certainty. But no cause of death is given in the report - that’s not uncertainty, that’s an unknown. Since no cause of death is offered in this report the conclusion/opinion should simply state that the cause of death cannot be determined in order to be clear to the reader.
c) In the second paragraph, this conclusion/opinion notes that there is no trauma evident on the skeleton. At that age, bones are softer than those of adults and children can often suffer physical trauma without breaking bones. Therefore physical trauma can not be ruled out as a cause of death. For example, a brain injury from a fall is within the realm of possibility, but cannot be supported or ruled out without brain tissue to analyze. However, given that the conclusion/opinion only notes the absence of trauma evident to the skeleton, and does not note that there may have been trauma that is not evident, the conclusion/opinion opens up the possibility that the reader may assume that physical trauma is ruled out as a cause of death. Of course the conclusion/opinion does not rule out ANY cause of death, and, with a careful reading one can see that it technically offers absolutely no cause of death.
d) Also in the second paragraph, the duct tape is noted to have been placed prior to decomposition. One must be careful to note that it does not say that it was placed prior to death. Everyone in this case has argued all along that the duct tape is the murder weapon. But this conclusion/opinion of the Medical Examiner’s report clearly does not go so far as to conclude or speculate that the duct tape was the murder weapon - it only states that it is clear the duct tape was placed prior to decomposition.
e) Referring back to point b), the second paragraph provides an opportunity for the reader to incorrectly infer that suffocation due to the duct tape being placed over the nose and mouth is the cause of death, if they don’t clearly separate the difference between what the paragraph says, “prior to decomposition” and “prior to death”, which the paragraph does not say.
f) In the third paragraph, there is no assertion that the body was placed in the wooded area soon after being last seen alive; it says that there was no evidence inconsistent with that. The third paragraph does state that the body was placed there “months” prior to being found. These statements allow for placement in the woods any time between the second half of June and early October.
This report was followed shortly by a homicide charge, as it’s manner of death determination of homicide provided the basis for that charge.
If this report did not offer as it’s conclusion/opinion that the manner of death was homicide, there would be no basis for a murder charge.
The combination of points b) and e) is where this conclusion/opinion is obviously designed to provide a manner of death of homicide based on a cause of death that is implied even though no explicit cause of death is given. Such subtley calls into question the integrity of the Medical Examiner’s office. A few years ago there were very prominent stories circulating in the media about M.E. offices that would give in to pressure from prosecutors to be less than forthright in their investigations in order to get arrests or convictions. One in NY, IIRC, was actually completely shut down.
Medical Examiner’s reports should never imply anything, but should state facts explicitly. M.E.’s must never base their reports on what a prosecuter desires. When an M.E.’s office starts going down this road it sometimes results in wrongful convictions and other times results in charges filed that ultimately become extremely difficult to get a conviction on, thereby wasting millions of dollars.
Yea, it’s almost like they’re already suffering due to loss of their kid(s). Why make them suffer more?
The jury listened to every word of the trial. Those who have spoken about their conclusion say that she was a good mother. Where were the media and the talking heads who early on determined that mom killed her daughter? Did they witness the same trial that the Jury based its conclusions upon?
“Here in Houston we had a mom drown her 5 kids....”
Andrea Yates was diagnosed as severely mentally ill. She had been hospitalized several time for her severe post partum depression.
She should NEVER have been left alone with those children.
I also question the sanity of her husband who did not stop having children with his wife, despite the fact that she had become completely unglued.
He and his mother were playing tag team supervising her and one day they missed their tag times and well, you see the result.
I’m not excusing what Yates did, but how stupid was those children’s father that he left them in the care of a crazy woman?
Now we know that Casey Anthony is a psychopath, but I’m not sure anybody realized that about her before these events. About Yates it was already firmly established.
But I will say the cases are similar in that in both the entire family seems to have been quite screwed up.
“Andrea Yates was diagnosed as severely mentally ill. She had been hospitalized several time for her severe post partum depression.”
I’m in Houston and saw the reaction close-up and immediately. I was angry as hell that 5 kids were dead - others had sympathy - and this was long before her history was reported.
In hindsight - yes, she was a case, but initially we didn’t know that.
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