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Are cats bad for the environment?
http://blogs.courant.com/susan_campbell ^ | 11 July 2011 | Susan Campbell

Posted on 07/13/2011 9:08:14 AM PDT by smokingfrog

According to this Mother Jones article, cats kill birds -- many of which are vital to the ecosystem -- at an alarming rate. Wind tunnels have nothing on Kitty.

Also, feral cats are disease-toting menaces -- and their population has tripled over the last four decades. Efforts to staunch the numbers with trap-neuter-return aren't enough.

(They do not, however, suck the breath out of new babies. At least give them that.)

Seems harsh, yes? I am not a cat lover. In fact, I'm a card-carrying not-cat lover, though I've owned cats -- if you can actually own a cat. I once wrote about my disgust that my house had acquired two cats at the same time, but I've never stopped and thought about their impact on the environment (just as I haven't stopped to think about a horse's impact, or a gerbil's).

But you can read more here or here.

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.courant.com ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Pets/Animals; Society
KEYWORDS: birds; cats; environment
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1 posted on 07/13/2011 9:08:17 AM PDT by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

They kill mice and rats too.


2 posted on 07/13/2011 9:09:43 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: smokingfrog

Who the frak comes up with this type garbage?! What a frakin’ waste.... =.=


3 posted on 07/13/2011 9:11:27 AM PDT by cranked
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To: smokingfrog
Should be an interesting thread. Can't wait till our resident wackaloon shows up. :)


4 posted on 07/13/2011 9:11:43 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: smokingfrog
We once had some irresponsible neighbors who allowed feral cats to populate out of their barn. Many of us had running battles with the cats, finding our bird feeders littered with feathers, pieces of dead birds, and finding these cats entering garages and eating the food of house cats.

Then one day the problem was solved permanently.

5 posted on 07/13/2011 9:13:58 AM PDT by lormand (A Government who robs Peter to pay Paul, will always have the support of Paul)
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To: smokingfrog

The crap that passes for blogs these days. What a loon. My cats are serial killing death machines but not birds. Mice and chipmunks who would otherwise wind up in my house.

They do their job and I do mine.


6 posted on 07/13/2011 9:14:12 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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To: SC_Pete

Yes, the are, and lesbians are, also.


7 posted on 07/13/2011 9:15:39 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: smokingfrog

Science is NOT a friend of liberals.

H*ll, the two are not even on speaking terms.


8 posted on 07/13/2011 9:15:49 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: smokingfrog

Let’s see which is more environmentally harsh, rodent pellets or cats? My cat catches many rodents and since he’s a big cat (17 lbs with little to no fat), he also keeps away the raccoons. Hunting rabbits, raccoons and mice with pellet guns doesn’t really do the trick and using rodent pellets would poison the environment and make the food in my garden inedible. Sorry, kitty stays. My kitty doesn’t contain rat poison...


9 posted on 07/13/2011 9:16:02 AM PDT by NorthStarStateConservative (From the land where nothing is allowed.)
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To: smokingfrog

10 posted on 07/13/2011 9:16:43 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: smokingfrog
No they are not.
Seems like I remember reading that just before the black plague Europe got rid of as many cats as they could, then the rat population explodes........well the rest is history as they say.
11 posted on 07/13/2011 9:17:00 AM PDT by svcw (democrats are liars, it's a given)
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To: smokingfrog

I don’t have a cat. I have a neighbor’s cat, he’s my buddy. Two ways to go with a cat. The cat can manage you or you can manage the cat.

Cats are part of the environment, for cryin out loud.


12 posted on 07/13/2011 9:17:11 AM PDT by Avery Iota Kracker (He hate me)
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To: smokingfrog

More environmental wackoism.


13 posted on 07/13/2011 9:17:59 AM PDT by fwdude
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To: Peter from Rutland

For every occasional bird my cat catches, he catches about 10 mice/rats. I’d say that’s a good trade-off.


14 posted on 07/13/2011 9:21:07 AM PDT by fwdude
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To: smokingfrog

15 posted on 07/13/2011 9:21:28 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

If you look at anything through a large enough magnifier; it’s HUGE! This is a non-problem. I’ve had cats my entire life. Mostly, they didn’t mess with birds. Oh, I had one who’d get them riled up and then swat them out of the air when they attacked, but mostly they eat rodents. If you’re feeding them they seldom even eat the rodents, they just catch them. I’m all for rodent population reduction.

We live in an age where the requirement for problems is insatiable. Problems sell products. Remember the made up “heartbreak of psoriasis?” This is one problem we don’t need to take on. Especially, we don’t need a $10,000,000 government study on the impact of feral cats to ecosphere.


16 posted on 07/13/2011 9:21:31 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: smokingfrog
I'm sorry, but cats are on the same level as rat dogs. They are a menace to society. I don't trust either... Labs rule! (He said running away)
17 posted on 07/13/2011 9:23:49 AM PDT by Harry Pothead (Go Sarah!)
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To: fwdude

I see mocking birds and bluejays attacking cats all the time. The morning doves seem to be easy prey for the cats, but we have too many of them around here anyway.


18 posted on 07/13/2011 9:23:53 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: NorthStarStateConservative

Gee Maw, the dang ol’ cat don’t hardly touch his food but he’s at least two pounds heavier than he wuz last year.


19 posted on 07/13/2011 9:26:01 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Nuts; A house divided against itself cannot stand.)
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To: smokingfrog
As expected, some cat freaks cannot distinguish between a feral cat, and their own domesticated cat.

And to those of you who own cats and live in urban areas, but allow them to roam freely, you are a feral human.

Keep your damn cat in your home, or don't whine when something happens to it. If you want to be a good neighbor, then act like it.

The only cat we ever had, spent it's entire life in our home without ever walking on our neighbors car, crapping in their yard, screaming wildly outside a bedroom window at 2AM, spraying urine on the hedge right next to our entrance...etc.

20 posted on 07/13/2011 9:26:32 AM PDT by lormand (A Government who robs Peter to pay Paul, will always have the support of Paul)
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To: Da Coyote

God may not be too happy with them either.


21 posted on 07/13/2011 9:26:51 AM PDT by ruesrose (It's possible to be clueless without being blonde.)
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To: ConservativeDude

Lesbians are bird killers? I think not.


22 posted on 07/13/2011 9:28:10 AM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: svcw

Every time I see one of these pseudo-scientific articles about how domestic cats are killing the environment by eating all the birds and rodents, I generally reply by posting a photo of a bobcat with a bird in its mouth.
I’m just too lazy to do it this time. Fact of the matter is that domestic cats have simply taken over the ecological niche of bobcats in the urban areas. If it wasn’t Puss that was eating the little birdies and micies, it would be Robert Cat.


23 posted on 07/13/2011 9:30:08 AM PDT by Kriggerel
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To: smokingfrog

Hi smokingfrong!

That blog is in a newspaper that is in my homestate. What was Ms. Campbell SMOKING at the time!?

Also with Slings and Arrows not being able to do much in the way of PINGING, I did ask to take over on a temp basis for the kitty pings.


24 posted on 07/13/2011 9:30:26 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: smokingfrog

Attach windmills onto their back sides for a double threat...


25 posted on 07/13/2011 9:30:55 AM PDT by LRS ("This is silly! It can't be! It can't be!!" "Oh yes it is! I said you wouldn't know the joint.")
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To: lormand

Hear hear!! Feral cats should be hunted and killed with .22 caliber rifles. People who feed feral cats should be shot in the ass with a b.b. gun. I hate the assumed moral superiority of people who wreck the environment with non native species.


26 posted on 07/13/2011 9:31:40 AM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: smokingfrog
Cats also are natural predators of mice and rats. Look what happens when you don't have cats...


27 posted on 07/13/2011 9:36:53 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: forgotten man
"Feral cats should be hunted and killed with .22 caliber rifles."

"I know a guy, who knows a guy" that recommends .22 air rifles which are legal to shoot in your backyard in just about everywhere in the US.

If you love cats, keep them in your home where they are safe.

28 posted on 07/13/2011 9:37:34 AM PDT by lormand (A Government who robs Peter to pay Paul, will always have the support of Paul)
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To: Peter from Rutland
My cats are serial killing death machines...

Dexter, the cat?

29 posted on 07/13/2011 9:39:13 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: lormand
As expected, some cat freaks cannot distinguish between a feral cat, and their own domesticated cat.

And to those of you who own cats and live in urban areas, but allow them to roam freely, you are a feral human.

Keep your damn cat in your home, or don't whine when something happens to it. If you want to be a good neighbor, then act like it.

The only cat we ever had, spent it's entire life in our home without ever walking on our neighbors car, crapping in their yard, screaming wildly outside a bedroom window at 2AM, spraying urine on the hedge right next to our entrance...etc.



Same goes for dog owners. It is torture every other night trying to sleep with the window open and having the dogs in the neighborhood barking at their own shadow at all hours of the night. Gawd, I have nightmares of the "Lady and the Tramp" movie where all the dogs start barking. Then we get to clean up the "gifts" left by dogs from who knows where in our yard. I am about to do what a friend does and spray the piles with bacon grease and let the dog eat its own crap when it comes back.

Heck, if I called Animal Control, there would be NO dogs left in our neighborhood and I would be the bad guy. Just boils down to irresponsible owners. I hear muzzles are cheap.
30 posted on 07/13/2011 9:42:27 AM PDT by copaliscrossing (Progressives are Socialists)
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To: forgotten man

Cats have been in the US since AT Least 1000 ad when the Viking ships of Leif Ericsson brought Norwegian Forest cats which evolved into Maine Coons after being left behind. That makes them a lot more of a “native’ species than you, bucko.

Most domestic birds and rodents are prey species, meaning their survival strategy is to make as many of themselves as possible so as to ensure few survive predation to make another generation.

Given the decline of their natural predators such as raptors, owls,foxes, coyotes, bobcats, wolverines etc, the domestic cat is actually filling a needed ecological niche by controlling those populations


31 posted on 07/13/2011 9:43:13 AM PDT by Quis Custodiet (.)
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To: smokingfrog

32 posted on 07/13/2011 9:45:18 AM PDT by frogjerk (Liberalism: The ideology of envy.)
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To: Avery Iota Kracker

That’s true. I heard the Norks had a bad rat problem. Why? They ate all the frickin cats.


33 posted on 07/13/2011 9:46:30 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Nuts; A house divided against itself cannot stand.)
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To: smokingfrog

Cat was fine until she started bringing in her trophies alive. The day she deposited a live snake to the living room (snake, meet cast iron skillet) was the last of her outside hunting days. The smaller dog now takes care of anything that moves in the yard. Just a few nights ago, she was playing catch with a freshly killed coon.


34 posted on 07/13/2011 9:47:46 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Biggirl

The story is from Mother Jones.

I could have posted the Mother Jones article, but did not want to give their website any hits.


35 posted on 07/13/2011 9:51:35 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: fwdude

Her precious wind farms have a FAR more devastating effect on birds then cats ever will.


36 posted on 07/13/2011 9:57:59 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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To: Quis Custodiet

Feral cat sh*t contains parasites that wash down the storm drains and out to the beach. They kill rare native species of birds and the cat sh*t parasites kill otters. Native species like bobcats are ok. Have you ever had a feral cat moaning outside your window at night?
Not only are feral cats a pest, feral pigs, and feral horses (flame away) should be eradicated. There was one fish farm in Arkansas that allowed non native Chinese carp to escape. Now about 10 years later they are taking over the Mississippi and Missouri Rivers and are headed for the great lakes.


37 posted on 07/13/2011 10:02:41 AM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: smokingfrog

A cat can start breeding as early 4 months in age, and they may have 2 to 3 broods a year with 3-5 kittens in each brood. Start with a male and female kitten and you could produce hundreds of feral cats within a couple of years. You’ve got to get those critters fixed.


38 posted on 07/13/2011 10:08:43 AM PDT by no gnu taxes
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To: smokingfrog

Pigeons used to be a real menace in our neighborhood. Then we started letting our cats out.


39 posted on 07/13/2011 10:09:36 AM PDT by AZLiberty (Yes, Mr. Lennon, I do want a revolution.)
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To: smokingfrog

My barn kitty routinely brings her “trophies” to the front step to show them off before dining. Mice, voles, a rat every once in a while, but no birds. They must be too much work. The two house kitties keep the place free of mice. Works for me.


40 posted on 07/13/2011 10:19:58 AM PDT by greatplains
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41 posted on 07/13/2011 10:45:39 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: smokingfrog
Wind tunnels have nothing on Kitty.

Idiot author needs to look up the difference between a wind tunnel and a wind turbine. I've never heard of a wind tunnel that killed birds.

42 posted on 07/13/2011 10:56:41 AM PDT by Moltke (Always retaliate first.)
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To: NorthStarStateConservative
he’s a big cat (17 lbs with little to no fat),

He's a little guy ... Mojo ... 25 lbs+ and feared by all rodents in the area

43 posted on 07/13/2011 10:58:36 AM PDT by clamper1797 (Hoping to have some change left)
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44 posted on 07/13/2011 11:00:05 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: Kriggerel; 50mm; Lady Jag; Old Sarge; darkwing104; Darksheare; TheOldLady; Allegra; Outlaw Woman; ..
Every time I see .... I generally reply by posting a photo of a bobcat with a bird in its mouth.
I’m just too lazy to do it this time.

Kriggerel
Since Jul 13, 2011

Welcome to FR. I doubt you ever replied with a photo of a bobcat with a bird in its mouth here before.

45 posted on 07/13/2011 11:12:27 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (zero hates Texas and we hate him back. He ain't my president either.)
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To: Arrowhead1952; Kriggerel

Sniff...? Ozone.

IBTZ?


46 posted on 07/13/2011 11:18:26 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: Kriggerel

IB4TZ! My first one under this SN!


47 posted on 07/13/2011 11:23:35 AM PDT by NorthStarStateConservative (From the land where nothing is allowed.)
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To: Kriggerel

I found just such a pic.
Copyright by Russ Kerr.


48 posted on 07/13/2011 11:46:46 AM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: smokingfrog

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr6CyU-Ev_M


49 posted on 07/13/2011 11:54:13 AM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: SC_Pete
I love cats and can't bear this blog!


50 posted on 07/13/2011 12:03:09 PM PDT by Young Werther ("Quae cum ita sunt" Since these things are so!)
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