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Experts [Again] : Registrar stamps confirm Obama forgery
WND ^ | July 21, 2011 | Jerome R. Corsi

Posted on 07/22/2011 7:36:11 AM PDT by RobinMasters

A close examination of the state registrar's stamp on the Obama birth certificate released by the White House indicates the document is forged, according to the preponderance of Adobe experts consulting with WND.

There are two different registrar stamps evident on the Obama birth certificate: The date stamp, indicating April 25, 2011, and the text and signature stamp containing registrar Dr. Alvin Onaka's signature.

Both registrar stamps appear to have been applied by a rubber stamp inked from a blotter.

The registrar stamps appear to be external objects that were imported into the document. The stamps were not impressions copied whole, the experts believe, but were created uniquely for the Obama document by a cut-and-paste process.

Moreover, the area around the date stamp indicates the image is not a scan of a paper document but a PDF file created electronically.

The inescapable conclusion from this analysis, the experts contend, is that the Obama birth certificate as presented by the White House on April 27 is not an authentic copy of an original 1961 document held in the file of the Hawaii Department of Health. Instead, they say, it's an electronic, manipulated document created most likely from pieces of authentic records– in other words, a forgery.

The experts include Mara Zebest, a nationally recognized computer expert who has served as contributing author and technical editor for many books on Adobe software, and Doug Vogt, who has filed a criminal complaint that charges Obama's birth record is forged.

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KEYWORDS: barrysoetoro; birthcertificate; certifigate; corsi; eligibility; fogblow; fraud; hopespringseternal; naturalborncitizen; obotalkingpoints; thistimeforsure; usurper; wnd

1 posted on 07/22/2011 7:36:12 AM PDT by RobinMasters
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To: RobinMasters

bttt


2 posted on 07/22/2011 7:36:55 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: RobinMasters

The Obama cabal is nothing if not consistent. Forgeries and fog forever.


3 posted on 07/22/2011 7:39:00 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: RobinMasters

Has anyone anywhere seen the original document? The paper item itself needs to be examined.


4 posted on 07/22/2011 7:40:53 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: RobinMasters

Has anybody checked for Dan Rather’s fingerprints?


5 posted on 07/22/2011 7:41:26 AM PDT by immadashell
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To: RobinMasters

This is another conspiracy theory that requires that the state of Hawaii, and the registrar himself, be a part of the conspiracy.

Because both exist, and both would know if they didn’t stamp the document. So, if the white house forged the signature and the stamp, the registrar and state would say so, unless they were part of the conspiracy.

But this doesn’t make sense. If they WERE part of the conspiracy, why wouldn’t they simply have stamped the forgery, and released it themselves? Why send a different document to the white house, and then have the white house forge a different document and then forge the stamp?

And if the state is willing to be part of the conspiracy, there is no hope to proving he wasn’t born in the U.S., since the state has absolute control over the issuance of birth certificates. The state can simply manufacture one, say the original was lost, and the new one will be an official document.

Nobody is going to win an argument that you can’t be president if someone lost your original birth certificate.


6 posted on 07/22/2011 7:54:34 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: RobinMasters
SINCE THE BEGINNING it has been obvious to experts in the field that the various "copies" were produced electronically from a data base.

That's how all this stuff is done these days.

Even the rubber stamps!

7 posted on 07/22/2011 7:58:13 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Genoa
The "original"? It's obvious there's a picture or two of the "original" in the data base. It can be called up at will and manipulated any way you wish.

That's how we do stuff now.

Just a few weeks back I found the proposals on the internet for a new landfill in Honolulu County. The old one is full, so they need a new one. When they build the new landfill the old one will be put out of commission, covered with a clay cap, and probably turned into a park. People will undoubtedly start "mining" the area to see what they can find in the pile below, particularly if they know where old county records are kept.

Anyway, just about the time the birth certificate issue came up the county managers found a reason to DELAY the plans for the new landfill.

Guess they don't want anybody digging around in it where they might well find Obama's birth certificate! (Bwahahahahaha).

8 posted on 07/22/2011 8:03:00 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: CharlesWayneCT
If they WERE part of the conspiracy, why wouldn’t they simply have stamped the forgery, and released it themselves?

If you need a bureaucrat to keep silent about something, it's one thing to intimidate or bribe him or her into silence or acquiescence, but it's another matter altogether to expect them to voluntarily play a very active part in organizing and carrying out your scam.

This is for all the marbles. As Trump said, it would be the biggest scandal in the history of the USA. We're dealing with radical leftists who would otherwise be willing to shoot people down in the street, but as Stanley Kurtz has chronicled, have been convinced that they can gain their aims stealthily through the political system, but are still capable of anything. So if a couple of flunky bureacrats don't want to end up dead or would like cushy jobs when they leave their posts, they shut up when it comes to challenging the most powerful man in the world and his Chicago thugs.

It's not the entire "state" that appears to be complicit. It's a couple of bureaucrats in the Dept of Health. As for rest, from the former Republican Governor on down to every major national politician in the country, they don't want to face this scandal at all and would just prefer to pretend it is not there.

9 posted on 07/22/2011 8:10:41 AM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: CharlesWayneCT
I believe txe State of HI is involved, if only by txe silence. When they have spoken, it has been mealy mouthed, confusing words leaving any logical person with questions. like *WTF did she just say?* Very misleading, while kind of CYA statements. They are so far in it now, how can they change txe tune?
I would really like to hear one of txe believers of this forgery give a believable explanation regarding Onaka’s stamp. Txe one with txe smiley Face. Not one other BC with txe same stamp has produced the same result. To me this has always been txe easiest example of something rotten. I don't mean some crazy explanation of blurring, a REAL explanation based on fact. Can someone even make that same thing happen with his stamp by copying or scanning? If it was a scanning issue, why didn't they fix it before kind of releasing it to public? Proof readers off playing golf with Barak? Alvin have a special stamp for this particular BC?
This would not happen to anyone. Stamp made wrong? It would be replaced. Image of txe long awaited VERY public *LFBC* is released with this glaring mistake on it? It makes absolutely no sense to me, unless it is to later be used as justification as to why we txe people should have KNOWN it was a fake. FAKE not a mistake. Please give some reason that a logical, 1/2 way intelligent person , can hang their hat on. Not mumbo jumbo bs, but a few facts as to why this happened and why the WH would allow it to go public. Thank you.
10 posted on 07/22/2011 8:21:29 AM PDT by charlene4 ("The only people who don’t want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.” BHO)
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To: CharlesWayneCT; butterdezillion

you make valid points. but if they aren’t part of the conspiracy, there is NO reason for them to have gone to the great effort of obstructing Butterdezillion’s honest, easy to answer questions about the registry, etc., (NOT about the actual certificate.)
...not to mention oddities like DOH claiming Sunahara didn’t exist, when her name is on their own print out.

but i agree, they keep score, so it’s impossible to win.
which is why i wish more people would ask how a Hawaiian teenager got an impossible Connecticut SSN.

(the same CT SSN that appears on his forged Selective Service Form...)


11 posted on 07/22/2011 8:22:59 AM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: charlene4

good points!
and the stamp is just one of MANY.

and if any ONE is valid, it’s a criminal forgery.

the words that curve next to words that don’t ?
the signatures with different resolutions?
the hand-drawn boxes that are identical down to the pixel?
the security paper that isn’t ?
and more.

MANY experts including 10 from the CIA have said it’s a forgery. Some have said so in sworn affidavits.
i am unaware of ANY experts, with legitimate creditials, who have sworn it is genuine.


12 posted on 07/22/2011 8:28:17 AM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: Elendur
Good thoughts! They sure did block Butter at every turn. It was rather telling also that laws were suddenly being changed concerning how BC were issued and what forms accepted for proving Hawaiian Birth. Because of the lax laws that were about to go public showing how corrupt they have been in the past? I think so. Why after all the years , right when Butter asks the right questions did they find a need to change?
What Barak has given as evidence would not have been good enough for HI itself!
I also love the work that was done regarding the seals HI uses. Not found in correct form on any WH docs. Any change invalidates the BC and txe changes on this are many!
13 posted on 07/22/2011 8:35:10 AM PDT by charlene4 ("The only people who don’t want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.” BHO)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Nobody is going to win an argument that you can’t be president if someone lost your original birth certificate.

Ahhhh! A BC is not simply a record. It has supporting documents that allow it's issuance. There are none. No hospital birth record. No evidence of SAD's residence when she had the baby. No one who will state simply that they were there. Why? Because the whole story of his birth is conjured. Made out of whole cloth. Why? Because he was not born in HI.

He probably was not born in Kenya. Because of the logistics and presence of SAD in Seattle shortly after his birth, I am inclined to believe he was born in Canada. No proof, but circumstantial evidence.

Most troubling, all 3 branches of government know. Why no action on this obvious "post turtle"? The fix was in. Who did this? That is the question.

14 posted on 07/22/2011 9:18:25 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: RobinMasters

Congressional hearings in the House of Representatives with subpoenaed witnesses from the state of Hawaii testifying under oath with the threat of a perjury charge hanging over their heads could go a long way toward resolving this issue. But Congress just doesn’t seem to want to convene a hearing.

The Registrar of Hawaii, Dr. Onaka should be called to testify about the stamp and his certification signature. Also the current Hawaii Director of Health who “changed the rules” to issue the long form should be called and the previous Health director who declared Barry to be a “natural born citizen,” along with both Governor Abercrombie and previous Governor Lingle should all be raising their right hands before a House investigative committee.

There is one member of the House who has consistently supported and spoken out publically on the ineligibility issue, Congressman Leo Berman of Texas.


15 posted on 07/22/2011 9:19:56 AM PDT by jh4freedom
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To: Texas Fossil

Here’s the problem: the Federal Rules of Evidence (Rule 902) say that a birth certificate is a self-authenticating document as long as it contains a state seal, and the signature of an authorizing individual.
Article IV, Section 1 of the US Constitution (the “full faith and credit” clause) says that whatever the state of Hawaii says is valid proof of birth will be accepted in other states and by the federal government.

The state of Hawaii says that what it issued to Obama meets the requirements of Rule 902 and the Fourth Article of the Constitution.

Here’s what the state of Hawaii is saying:
“The Hawai’i State Health Department recently complied with a request by President Barack Obama for certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth, which is sometimes referred to in the media as a ‘long form’ birth certificate.

‘We hope that issuing certified copies of the original Certificate of Live Birth to President Obama will end the numerous inquiries related to his birth in Hawai’i,’ Hawai’i Health Director Loretta Fuddy said. ‘I have seen the original records filed at the Department of Health and attest to the authenticity of the certified copies the department provided to the President that further prove the fact that he was born in Hawai’i.’

On April 22, 2011, President Obama sent a letter to Director Fuddy, requesting two certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth. Also on that day, Judith Corley, the President’s personal attorney, made the same request in writing on behalf of the President.

On April 25, 2011, pursuant to President Obama’s request, Director Fuddy personally witnessed the copying of the original Certificate of Live Birth and attested to the authenticity of the two copies. Dr. Alvin Onaka, the State Registrar, certified the copies.”
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/News_Release_Birth_Certificate_042711.pdf


16 posted on 07/22/2011 11:11:17 AM PDT by jh4freedom
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Don't forget the former GOP Governor, former GOP Assistant Governor, former Attorney General and former GOP appointed HDOH officials as well.

They would need to be in on the conspiracy too.

17 posted on 07/22/2011 11:32:35 AM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: jh4freedom
“We hope that issuing certified copies of the original Certificate of Live Birth to President Obama will end the numerous inquiries related to his birth in Hawaii,” Hawaii Health Director Loretta Fuddy said. “I have seen the original records filed at the Department of Health and attest to the authenticity of the certified copies the department provided to the President that further prove the fact that he was born in Hawaii.”

This is what Fuddy said:

"I have seen the original records" ... "and attest to the authenticity of the certified copies the department provided to the President"

She did not say that the certified copies were simply photo copies of those records. She said she released them to Obozo, but did not say that is what he released to the public. What he released to the public is an obvious forgery.

18 posted on 07/22/2011 11:50:57 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil

http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/obama-bc-seal-contradicts-factcheck.pdf

Here is a good read about the seal that allegedly would make this authentic. Thatt is IF it were the correct seal, the one they use on everyone elses.....


19 posted on 07/22/2011 1:41:04 PM PDT by charlene4 ("The only people who don’t want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.” BHO)
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To: Texas Fossil

She did not say that the certified copies were simply photo copies of those records. She said she released them to Obozo, but did not say that is what he released to the public. What he released to the public is an obvious forgery.

It might be a good idea for someone to ask Fuddy if what she released to Obozo and what is posted on the whitehouse.gov web site are identical or if they differ in any way, shape or form.

Fuddy does hold regular press conferences in her role as Hawaii Director of Health.

If there is an obvious forgery, someone should take that evidence to a law enforcement agency.


20 posted on 07/22/2011 2:18:33 PM PDT by jh4freedom
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To: charlene4

Seal? Yes it is bogus.

But the document must be a forgery for multiple reasons.


21 posted on 07/22/2011 2:22:37 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: jh4freedom
If there is an obvious forgery, someone should take that evidence to a law enforcement agency.

"someone" has. Orly Taitz has filed cases for others concerning these issues.

It is impossible for the documents released by Obozo's minions to a simple scan of a document. Impossible. It is a document pieced together from fragments of other documents. The document structure reveals it is conjured.

22 posted on 07/22/2011 2:34:33 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil

“someone” has. Orly Taitz has filed cases for others concerning these issues.

It is impossible for the documents released by Obozo’s minions to a simple scan of a document. Impossible. It is a document pieced together from fragments of other documents. The document structure reveals it is conjured.

What I’m asking is have any of the filed cases resulted in an official investigation by an authorized body?


23 posted on 07/24/2011 4:30:51 PM PDT by jh4freedom
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To: jh4freedom

Nope. No one will touch this.


24 posted on 07/24/2011 4:33:34 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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