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Further proof Bush was among the most liberal presidents ever
star ledger ^ | 07.23.11 | Paul Mulshine

Posted on 07/24/2011 5:36:13 PM PDT by Coleus

(How do you know Rick Perry’s lying? Well, you know the joke. Watch his lips move and see who he remind you of.)  They say first impressions are lasting ones. And if you’ve been following my comments on the potential 2012 Republicans presidential field, you know that my first impression of most of them is that they are either boobs or frauds.

There is one contender who does not meet that definition. Texas Congressman Ron Paul is neither a boob nor a fraud. He’s the only Republican in the field who has been a consistent adherent to the constitution during his entire political career. If there’s a genuinely conservative candidate from Texas , why do we need a fake one?  That would be Rick Perry. I judged him a fraud the moment I saw him speak at the Conservative Political Action Conference in February, when he had the misfortune of following Paul.

Here’s what I wrote at the time:

Afterer Ron we got a speech by Texas Governor Rick Perry. He gave a good spiel about economic growth in Texas , but then he got on to border security. It was a nice tirade against Obama for not enforcing the borders. But how dishonest do you have to be not to note that George W. Bush had eight years to secure the borders?

That’s how dishonest Rick Perry is.

It’s also a good indication of how liberal George W. Bush was. Bush was the biggest advocate of open immigration ever to occupy the White House. He was also the biggest advocate of liberal internationalism. And the biggest spender - till Barack Obama.

But back to Perry. When he gave that spiel he had to know Obama was doing a much better job on enforcing the borders than Bush.

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1 posted on 07/24/2011 5:36:17 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: Coleus

I wonder if Tiny Tim thinks Perry can make it all the way .


2 posted on 07/24/2011 5:39:46 PM PDT by fantom (,)
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To: Coleus
Bush was a success. He wanted a "new America" and he's getting it...

THE "NEW AMERICAN"
..........<

We are now one of the largest Spanish-speaking nations in the world. We're a major source of Latin music, journalism and culture.

Just go to Miami, or San Antonio, Los Angeles, Chicago or West New York, New Jersey ... and close your eyes and listen. You could just as easily be in Santo Domingo or Santiago, or San Miguel de Allende.

For years our nation has debated this change -- some have praised it and others have resented it. By nominating me, my party has made a choice to welcome the new America.

Our future cannot be separated from the future of Latin America.

As I speak, we are celebrating the success of democracy in Mexico.

George Bush from a campaign speech in Miami, August 2000.

You can read the speech here.

Here is an excerpt of a good critique of that speech:

In equating our intimate historic bonds to our mother country and to Canada with our ties to Mexico, W. shows a staggering ignorance of the civilizational facts of life. The reason we are so close to Britain and Canada is that we share with them a common historical culture, language, literature, and legal system, as well as similar standards of behavior, expectations of public officials, and so on. My Bush Epiphany By Lawrence Auster

3 posted on 07/24/2011 5:41:05 PM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: Coleus

Stupid editorial that ignores Bush’s tax cuts, ban on partial birth abortion, and deployment of our national missile defenses only to idiotically kvetch about spending that was less than half of 0bama.


4 posted on 07/24/2011 5:41:09 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Coleus

bush 43 spent $7 trillion in 8 years

and obama $4 trillion in 3 years.


5 posted on 07/24/2011 5:41:14 PM PDT by ken21 (liberal + rino progressive media hate palin, bachman, cain...)
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To: Coleus

And his point is?


6 posted on 07/24/2011 5:41:33 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (As long as the MSM covers for Obama, he will be above the law)
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To: Coleus

>> When he gave that spiel he had to know Obama was doing a much better job on enforcing the borders than Bush.<<

How do you know when a leftist blogger is lying? — his keys are clicking.

The zero administration specifically STOPPED deportations for all but cases that would embarrass him.


7 posted on 07/24/2011 5:42:27 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Coleus

I can’t figure out this piece. Is it a Bush bash, a Perry bash or a slick defense of Obummer as a thoughtful moderate?


8 posted on 07/24/2011 5:42:37 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Coleus

I’d like to be open minded to reading the article but the fawning over Ron Paul prevents me from being so here.


9 posted on 07/24/2011 5:43:28 PM PDT by Soul Seeker ( I was there when we had the numbers, but didn’t have the principles.---Jim DeMint)
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To: Coleus

Bush was no conservative but I am not sure I would agree that he was one of the most liberal.


10 posted on 07/24/2011 5:43:36 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Coleus

Ron Paul is a retard.


11 posted on 07/24/2011 5:44:29 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Coleus
>>>>>Texas Congressman Ron Paul is neither a boob nor a fraud.


12 posted on 07/24/2011 5:47:05 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: yarddog

W didn’t come close to LBJ or Carter.


13 posted on 07/24/2011 5:47:05 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Coleus

How does anyone compare to the President that actually created this immigration, JFK?

“However, if there is one man who can take the most credit for the 1965 act, it is John F. Kennedy. Kennedy seems to have inherited the resentment his father Joseph felt as an outsider in Boston’s WASP aristocracy. He voted against the McCarran-Walter Act of 1952, and supported various refugee acts throughout the 1950s. In 1958 he wrote a book, A Nation of Immigrants, which attacked the quota system as illogical and without purpose, and the book served as Kennedy’s blueprint for immigration reform after he became president in 1960. In the summer of 1963, Kennedy sent Congress a proposal calling for the elimination of the national origins quota system. He wanted immigrants admitted on the basis of family reunification and needed skills, without regard to national origin. After his assassination in November, his brother Robert took up the cause of immigration reform, calling it JFK’s legacy. In the forward to a revised edition of A Nation of Immigrants, issued in 1964 to gain support for the new law, he wrote, “I know of no cause which President Kennedy championed more warmly than the improvement of our immigration policies.” Sold as a memorial to JFK, there was very little opposition to what became known as the Immigration Act of 1965.”


14 posted on 07/24/2011 5:48:09 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Bristol Palin's book "Not Afraid Of Life: My Journey So Far" became a New York Times, best seller.)
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To: Coleus
Bush was a POS but update your sources! Image and video hosting by TinyPic
15 posted on 07/24/2011 5:49:05 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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To: Coleus

Well, he did give up Roberts and Alito. Wherever else he failed, he got the SCOTUS appointments right.


16 posted on 07/24/2011 5:49:38 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Coleus
Texas Governor Rick Perry got on to border security. It was a nice tirade against Obama for not enforcing the borders. But how dishonest do you have to be not to note that George W. Bush had eight years to secure the borders?

Bravo excellent point, one even those drooling in cups can understand!

17 posted on 07/24/2011 5:49:53 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: SeaHawkFan

Should have been “gave us”.


18 posted on 07/24/2011 5:50:31 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Lazlo in PA

slick defense of Obummer as a thoughtful moderate?....you got it...
the little boy king is in deep do do.....more people out of work and NOW more than ever they are going back to bush’s fault. Do keep in mind the Ledger is just a NYT lite.


19 posted on 07/24/2011 5:50:48 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Coleus
John Derbyshire: Eight Wasted Years
...Margaret Thatcher used to talk about the “ratchet effect.” When the Left gets power, she said, they drive everything Left; when the Right gets power, they slow the Leftward drive, perhaps even halt it for a spell; but nothing ever gets moved to the Right. U.S. politics in the 21st century so far bears out this dismal analysis. What does the Right have to show for eight years of a Republican presidency? I supported George W. Bush in 2000 because I thought he had a conservative bone in his body somewhere. I supported him in 2004 because I thought him the lesser of two evils. At this point, I wouldn’t let the fool park his car in my driveway. Bruce Bartlett was right, every damn word...
Bill Gertz interview on Hannity and Colmes
Gertz: Well he casts himself as a compassionate conservative and I argue that he's neither. That his administration is neither. He's done tremendous damage to the conservative movement...

20 posted on 07/24/2011 5:50:53 PM PDT by BufordP ("Drink me if you can't take a joke." -- Kool-aid)
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To: Coleus

Mr. Mulshine has been hitting the moonshine. Ron Paul and his foreign policy that blames America for 11 September because we had American troops in the middle east is ignorant to the point of criminality.


21 posted on 07/24/2011 5:51:28 PM PDT by Mr. Jazzy (The United States Marine Corps, your greatest friend or your worst enemy. YOU choose.)
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To: Coleus
I thin George II is a good man who is honest.

On the other hand, calling him conservative could be a stretch: he NEVER vetoed a spending bill.

22 posted on 07/24/2011 5:52:50 PM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: fantom

Calling a tail a leg doesn’t make it one.


23 posted on 07/24/2011 5:55:29 PM PDT by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: Coleus

Let’s not skip Reagan while we are bashing Bush.


24 posted on 07/24/2011 5:56:04 PM PDT by Krodg
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To: SeaHawkFan
“Well, he did give up Roberts and Alito. Wherever else he failed, he got the SCOTUS appointments right.”

Only because he was talked out of Alberto Gonzalez and Harriett Meiers.

25 posted on 07/24/2011 6:03:33 PM PDT by bwc2221
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To: Coleus

He’s probably right about Perry. He is very spongy.

He is most definitely wrong about Ron Paul - Kookville


26 posted on 07/24/2011 6:07:20 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: fantom
I wonder if Tiny Tim thinks Perry can make it all the way.

Assuming there are 30 million illegals in the country and congressional districts are made up of a little more than 600,000 people, that adds up to more than 50 congressional seats that can potentially be swayed to the democrats.

Those wishing to vote for a pro amnesty RINO may as well be true to themselves and vote for Obama. After all, they're doing no less damage to the nation than Obama by building and even greater democrat voting block for the future.
27 posted on 07/24/2011 6:07:36 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: ken21

Bush spent $7 Trillion and Obama $4 Trillion?

Are you sure about that? My math gets a different answer. Just curious.


28 posted on 07/24/2011 6:21:25 PM PDT by cashless (Unlike Obama and his supporters, I'd rather be a TEA BAGGER thaln a TEA BAGGEE.)
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To: Coleus

Most liberal EVER???? Um, was this dumbass asleep during the Carter years??? Or the 90s, for that matter??

Sure, Bush wasn’t a constitutional conservative, but I’d hardly call him the most liberal EVER!!! Sheesh.


29 posted on 07/24/2011 6:22:27 PM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: surroundedbyblue

He was a liberal RINO..but he does have a good heart. Truly felt for those who suffered during 9/11 and loves the military.

Obambi is tool that could care less.


30 posted on 07/24/2011 6:27:09 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: SeaHawkFan

Yes, but in one case it was not his real choice.


31 posted on 07/24/2011 6:35:49 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: Coleus

Bush’s fault!


32 posted on 07/24/2011 6:36:43 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Coleus

Bush was a very liberal president. The numbers don’t lie. He was liberal on a lot of things. I would be hard pressed to vote for a Bush because they have been proven closet liberals


33 posted on 07/24/2011 6:45:45 PM PDT by Carry me back
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To: bwc2221

Thanks for reminding us. W is a chip off the wimpy George H.W. Bush’s block. I marched around the state capital for him in 2000. I think that entitles me to denigrate him.


34 posted on 07/24/2011 6:51:38 PM PDT by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: SeaHawkFan

He did get SCOTUS right but he tried to get it wrong with Harriett Meyers.


35 posted on 07/24/2011 6:53:35 PM PDT by Phillipian (Post Tenebras Lux)
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To: raybbr

Bush finished with about a 27% approval. One of the lowest in history.
He and Rove’s policies are the reason we now have Zero. Thanks


36 posted on 07/24/2011 6:58:34 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: yarddog

I agree with you.
Spending was very liberal during the Bush era but he did have better excuses than a recession.
Why didn’t we collapse after the $2.5T loss in a half an hour on 9/11?
Bush spent a trillion on that aftermath
A trillion on a new government agency: Homeland Security
Then there was the hundreds of billions spent on Hurricane Katrina that destroyed over 90,000 square miles.
You can’t forget Medicare part D. But no one noticed what the Democrats had proposed, which some say would have cost twice as much.
I’m not defending him though I like the guy. But I didn’t vote for the guy in 2000. The buzz words ‘compassionate conservative’ meant, ‘It’s easy to be compassionate with other peoples’ money.’ He was too much like his dad who called supply side economics ‘voodoo economics’, but there were some signs he understood ‘bottom up economics’ with his support of small businesses.
Considering what he was faced with, I’d consider him a pragmatist.


37 posted on 07/24/2011 6:59:24 PM PDT by griswold3 (Character is Destiny)
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To: Coleus
It’s also a good indication of how liberal George W. Bush was. Bush was the biggest advocate of open immigration ever to occupy the White House. He was also the biggest advocate of liberal internationalism. And the biggest spender - till Barack Obama.

Now, now.

Just because facts are stubborn things is no excuse to think that those Conservative FREEPER Christians who are mystifyingly still addicted to the MSM constructions on reality will be pleased with such assertions.

Some are determined to follow their illusions and fantasies down in flames.

38 posted on 07/24/2011 7:18:58 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Southack

Were those milk sop exceptions

to more crucial Marxist/globalist priorities he was ordered to implement . . .

Were they his earnest personal efforts in spite of his orders from the oligarchy?

I don’t know.


39 posted on 07/24/2011 7:21:46 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: bwc2221
Only because he was talked out of Alberto Gonzalez and Harriett Meiers.

And the beauty of bitching about Gonzalez and Meiers is that no one knows. Brilliant, if you are a Paultard.

40 posted on 07/24/2011 7:24:10 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: BufordP

ABSOLUTELY INDEED.

The oligarchy insures that.


41 posted on 07/24/2011 7:24:10 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Coleus

Paul Mulshine needs to sober up.


42 posted on 07/24/2011 7:24:39 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: Southack

Bush was a HORRIBLE President! I will never forget when he was being interviewed and was asked, ‘80% of the American public want to stem illegal immigration and a have a secure border’. Bush replied with, ‘well the American people are just wrong’. I guess he forgot who elected him. He was also against declaring English the official language of the US.

I’ve read Bush’s speech to the Building Industry Association and his contention was to support housing for those that could not afford a house. Therefore he continued the disastrous housing crisis that was started under the Clinton administration.

GW was also a big proponent of the New World Order just like his Dad.

GW also started a very controversial war based on false foreign intelligence.

We may have gotten a paltry tax cut but what we mainly got was a moderate(liberal) Republican and ultimately we paid dearly for his reign with Obama getting elected.


43 posted on 07/24/2011 7:25:05 PM PDT by doc
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To: Quix

Please, don’t start quoting Scripture. It makes people think of moonbattery.


44 posted on 07/24/2011 7:25:28 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: doc

“see you at the bill signing”.


45 posted on 07/24/2011 7:26:09 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: The flash mob who won’t leave.)
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To: surroundedbyblue

Depends on the measure being used.


46 posted on 07/24/2011 7:27:38 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: doc

Actually, the Bush Administration warned us about Fannie and Freddie. So did Alan Greenspan. So did John McCain, for that matter. So if you didn’t heed the warnings, look in the mirror, instead of finding someone else to blame.


47 posted on 07/24/2011 7:29:57 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Coleus
He wasn't as conservative as I would have preferred.


49 posted on 07/24/2011 7:30:47 PM PDT by clearcarbon
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To: raybbr

You and Obama seem to agree, it’s Bush’s fault.


50 posted on 07/24/2011 7:32:04 PM PDT by rabidralph
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