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Obama's Forged Birth Certificate and The History Of Political Image Tampering
ObamaFake ^ | 7/22/11 | Proe Graphique

Posted on 07/26/2011 8:03:13 AM PDT by charlene4

When people hear that Obama's birth certificate is a fake, some people (the number is shrinking) shake their heads in disbelief - or feign disbelief - and say things like, "That's impossible', "not in this day and age" and "Not in our country". Those are the same refrains voiced by Russians when Stalin took power, and what the Germans said when Hitler's sadistic rein of terror began (by the way and for the record, Stalin murdered 40-60 million of his own people, Hitler about 7 million, if you're into body counting to score left/right political points. Hitler was also a "Nazi Socialist", meaning the left wing is simply lying when they attach conservatism to Nazism, anyway. Stalin and Hitler were simply variations of the same totalitarian, media-controlling coin, and entirely apart from any free-market, first amendment-loving, free-society conservative notions that have ever existed).

Not only do we now know that Obama's birth certificate is a pathetic fake from the fact that the digital image practically crumbles in your hands upon examination, but there is a long precedent for the forgery used by the highest leaders in the most powerful nations. Those forgeries are what this illustrated post is about, because Obama's forged birth certificate is serious business. As a devout communist virtually by his own admission in his autobiography, the realities of those past forgeries would not be unknown to Obama, and may figure heavily in his thinking. Indeed, Obama's own 2008 campaign art reflects a very heavy soviet propaganda influence in its style:

(Excerpt) Read more at obamafake.blogspot.com ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; History; Politics
KEYWORDS: anydaynow; birthcertificate; certifigate; forgery; fraud; gertifigate; naturalborncitizen; obama; thistimeforsure
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1 posted on 07/26/2011 8:03:22 AM PDT by charlene4
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To: charlene4

As long as the government has charge of vote counting we will take what it dishes out!


2 posted on 07/26/2011 8:07:45 AM PDT by Paperdoll (NO MORE BUSHS!)
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To: charlene4

There is so much crap going on that causes people to point to the great indoctrination of the Third Reich that it is subsequently minimizing that horror of humanity and bringing it down to the level of a political con man stealing an election.


3 posted on 07/26/2011 8:09:45 AM PDT by Baynative
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To: charlene4

On the occasion of the anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution, a meeting of Party members is held in a village. The Chairman of the local Soviet gives a speech,

“Dear comrades! Let’s look at the amazing achievements of our Party after the revolution. For example, here sits Maria. Who was she before? An illiterate peasant woman, she had but one dress and no shoes. And now? She is an exemplary milkmaid known over the entire region. Or look at Ivan Andreev. He was the poorest man in this village, had no horse, no cow, and even no axe. And now? He is a tractor driver, and has two pairs of shoes! Or look at Trofim Semenovich Alekseev. He was a nasty hooligan, a lowest drunkard, a dirty gadabout. Nobody trusted him even with a snowdrift in wintertime, as he would steal anything his gaze fell upon. And now he’s a Secretary of the Party Committee!”


4 posted on 07/26/2011 8:15:34 AM PDT by razorback-bert (Some days it's not worth chewing through the straps.)
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To: charlene4

It’s not even a good fake.


5 posted on 07/26/2011 8:21:29 AM PDT by Wu (Excuse me while I kiss the sky......)
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To: charlene4

I am still waiting for an answer to this question- “Barack- which line on this certificate did you spend a million dollars trying to hide?”


6 posted on 07/26/2011 8:32:03 AM PDT by getitright (If you call this HOPE, can we give despair a shot?)
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To: charlene4

I am still waiting for an answer to this question- “Barack- which line on this certificate did you spend a million dollars trying to hide?”


7 posted on 07/26/2011 8:32:08 AM PDT by getitright (If you call this HOPE, can we give despair a shot?)
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To: charlene4

Let’s see which is more plausible: Soros’ billions tried to fool us with a fake that a 9-year old could detect, OR Soros’ billions deliberately created an apparent yet unprovable fake to distract us. Think for once people.


8 posted on 07/26/2011 8:32:51 AM PDT by 83Vet4Life
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To: 83Vet4Life
While looking for articles regarding Obama's birth certificate I found this. It is interesting. I don't know where they got it, but it appears to be a fine scan High resolution copy of Obama's purported birth certificate. Whether or not it is just a better forgery, or an actual scan of the Hawaiian document, I do not know, but I thought everyone should be aware of it. It has far more detail than does the PDF file from Whitehouse.gov . (Not this picture. It is the one at the link which is too big to show.)

And web page where I found it.

9 posted on 07/26/2011 8:58:12 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (The TAIL of Hawaiian Bureaucracy WAGS the DOG of Constitutional Law.)
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To: getitright

Don’t hold your breath.


10 posted on 07/26/2011 9:03:19 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: All

Sorry. I meant to post that to All.


11 posted on 07/26/2011 9:03:44 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (The TAIL of Hawaiian Bureaucracy WAGS the DOG of Constitutional Law.)
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To: charlene4

The crucial point was Trump pushing the issue for release publicly, and then instantly accepting the fake without question.

The whole spectacle was pathetic.


12 posted on 07/26/2011 9:21:08 AM PDT by wolficatZ (Somebody once wrote "Revenge is a dish that has to be eaten cold".)
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To: wolficatZ

I thought the same of Trump. The other day he surprised me....
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/07/trump-to-cnn-check-obamas-birth.html
Surprised me even more that CNN aired it! Seems like things might be changing!


13 posted on 07/26/2011 9:32:16 AM PDT by charlene4 ("The only people who don’t want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.” BHO)
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To: razorback-bert

Or look at Barry over there... he was a lazy, no-account, disbarred lawyer with a cocaine habit and a homely, overbearing wife. Now he’s the President!


14 posted on 07/26/2011 9:53:16 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

Good one Boogieman!


15 posted on 07/26/2011 10:08:30 AM PDT by charlene4 ("The only people who don’t want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.” BHO)
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To: charlene4

Ahhh, the madness of the fringe.


16 posted on 07/26/2011 10:14:26 AM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: charlene4

Zero’s real bc is in his cousin’s safe in Kenya. Too bad someone can’t raid that safe and prove we have a kenyan in the WH...


17 posted on 07/26/2011 10:17:27 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 "Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the synaGOGue of Satan.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
When I open this "high-res" (So high-res that the safety background is mostly gone!) AP image in Photoshop, Photoshop says as it's opening it, "Reading Acrobat touch-up image format." I don't ever recall seeing this on other pdfs I've opened in Photoshop.

ML/NJ

18 posted on 07/26/2011 10:28:31 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: shield

Zero’s real bc is in his cousin’s safe in Kenya. Too bad someone can’t raid that safe and prove we have a kenyan in the WH...

If you were born in Kenya and were now President of the United States would you allow hard copies of any evidence of a document that could bring down your presidency to be stored anywhere on this planet?
The original (and possibly only) version of a 1961 document from a third world country is easily disposed of once and for all with a match or a cigarette lighter.


19 posted on 07/26/2011 10:35:41 AM PDT by jh4freedom
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To: jh4freedom
You could just pick one up at the hospital in Mombasa.

I hear they give out copies to anyone who asks for them.

You might have to pay a small gratuity to the guards though.

20 posted on 07/26/2011 10:38:47 AM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: shield

There is a website called “our invisible president” or something like that that has literally hundreds of pictures that have been photoshopped, many of which have been published in books about Obama. I’ll try to find the source URL.


21 posted on 07/26/2011 10:39:43 AM PDT by Hillary'sMoralVoid
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To: jh4freedom

I wouldn’t think so...but with zero’s ego...and his all about me, me, me, I, I, I, my, my, my personality...it’d not have his records destroyed...


22 posted on 07/26/2011 10:43:14 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 "Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the synaGOGue of Satan.")
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To: El Sordo
Ahhh, the madness of the fringe.

Keeps demonstrating itself every time you post.

23 posted on 07/26/2011 10:58:00 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (The TAIL of Hawaiian Bureaucracy WAGS the DOG of Constitutional Law.)
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To: ml/nj
When I open this "high-res" (So high-res that the safety background is mostly gone!) AP image in Photoshop, Photoshop says as it's opening it, "Reading Acrobat touch-up image format." I don't ever recall seeing this on other pdfs I've opened in Photoshop.

I am aware of at least two things about it that doesn't make sense to me. I will not be surprised to find there are more.

24 posted on 07/26/2011 11:00:56 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (The TAIL of Hawaiian Bureaucracy WAGS the DOG of Constitutional Law.)
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To: shield

I wouldn’t think so...but with zero’s ego...and his all about me, me, me, I, I, I, my, my, my personality...it’d not have his records destroyed...

“Me, me, me” means I’VE got to make sure that there is NO evidence to EVER bring ME down.

What use could Zero have for an existing record of a Kenyan birth? His whole created life fiction is built around being born in Hawaii of a father born in Kenya (for the globalists) and his mother being born in Kansas (for the liberal, union America-first audience).
A revealed Kenyan document would destroy the myth and ruin the post-Presidency memoir book sales and speaking tours.
The Kenyan birth certificate has been gone for many years now.


25 posted on 07/26/2011 11:02:50 AM PDT by jh4freedom
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To: jh4freedom

NO...there has been strong confirmations...his Kenya birth records are in his cousin’s safe. Yours is pure speculation and reasoning...not anything whatsoever factual.


26 posted on 07/26/2011 11:12:55 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 "Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the synaGOGue of Satan.")
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To: All
This is off topic, but really bothers me.
Last night when bo gave his self serving / blame Bush and anybody else, but his self speech, I noticed first how quickly the Flags were zoomed out of the picture. The Flag has that Gold Fringe which I thought meant something important.
Second who the he!! decorated that place? It looks like a combo of Mao and Saudi Prince designers. Nothing looks like AMERICAN except maybe the funeral lamps on either side of the wall that looks like an altar. Red carpet with gold trim, red chairs painted or made of Gold? Where is the RED WHITE and BLUE? Anyone else find this odd?
27 posted on 07/26/2011 11:13:32 AM PDT by charlene4 ("The only people who don’t want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.” BHO)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Mmmm... Nope.


28 posted on 07/26/2011 11:18:07 AM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: shield

Strong confirmations?

OK, like what?


29 posted on 07/26/2011 11:19:39 AM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: El Sordo

“Strong confirmations? OK, like what?”

When you’re evaluating the validity of a hypothesis, and you consistently find that there is a distinct lack of evidence supporting your hypothesis (while simultaneously being confronted with evidence that contradicts your hypothesis), there are at least two options as to how to move forward:

1) You can interpret the lack of supporting evidence as meaning that there is no supporting evidence (such as ‘There never were any Obama birth records in Kenya’), and reconsider whether the hypothesis might be accurate;

or

2) You can interpret the lack of supporting evidence as evidence of a secret effort to hide and cover up all supporting evidence (such as ‘Odinga confiscated and is protecting Obama’s birth records’), and plug along with your old hypothesis.

Scientists use the first tactic. Birthers and conspiracy theorists opt for the second. To them, the lack of good evidence that Obama was born in Kenya just means that Obama’s hiding all the good evidence. And the really handy thing about such a belief is that it can never be proven wrong.


30 posted on 07/26/2011 11:52:24 AM PDT by Vickery2010
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To: DiogenesLamp

The blue pic is the one ABC posted on their website after scanning the WH image and ‘flattening’ it into a single layer image - as you would expect an actual scan to be. Apparently when they scanned it it had a print of the ‘short form’ COLB. That is what the image in the background is. The ‘enhanced’ brings this out.

So the blue image is a 2nd generation from a print of the original image and the BW image is a 3rd generation enhancement of the 2nd generation.

The ‘original’ from WH does NOT have the short form COLB ghost image in it. It only has be security cross-hatch.

ABC probably saw how bad the image was and felt they had to cover - hence their scan in blue.

A partial list of issues with this document:

1. Obama senior age is wrong by 2 years.
2. Kenya, East Africa? Maybe Kenya (by itself) maybe British East Africa. But you never see Kenya, East Africa in a phrase.
3. Smiley face in the stamped signature.
4. Centered type all over (no other period Hawaii LFBC has this much centered type)

And so on and so forth.


31 posted on 07/26/2011 12:18:09 PM PDT by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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To: Vickery2010
1) You can interpret the lack of supporting evidence as meaning that there is no supporting evidence (such as ‘There never were any Obama birth records in Kenya’), and reconsider whether the hypothesis might be accurate;

or

2) You can interpret the lack of supporting evidence as evidence of a secret effort to hide and cover up all supporting evidence (such as ‘Odinga confiscated and is protecting Obama’s birth records’), and plug along with your old hypothesis.

Scientists use the first tactic. Birthers and conspiracy theorists opt for the second. To them, the lack of good evidence that Obama was born in Kenya just means that Obama’s hiding all the good evidence. And the really handy thing about such a belief is that it can never be proven wrong.

Your commentary overlooks the fact that Obama appears to have spread far and wide the rumor that he was from Kenya. There are lots of newspapers and magazines reporting him as being from Kenya. ( Approximately 26 references in the news claiming he was from Kenya at this link.) There is a video of his wife saying he was from Kenya, So your argument that people who think he is from Kenya must have made the whole thing up, is just completely falsified by the evidence. I do not fault people for having erroneous beliefs regarding Obama being born in Kenya. They are the victims of a bunch of falsified rumors which must have originated from Barry Obama.

Rather than chastise the ineligible Nitwit in office for spreading such lying rumors, you chastise as "kooks" those people who actually believed the lies he spread about his origins. I think you need to get your perceptions and your priorities sorted out.

32 posted on 07/26/2011 12:19:14 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (The TAIL of Hawaiian Bureaucracy WAGS the DOG of Constitutional Law.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

“Rather than chastise the ineligible Nitwit in office for spreading such lying rumors, you chastise as “kooks” those people who actually believed the lies he spread about his origins. I think you need to get your perceptions and your priorities sorted out.”

DiogenesLamp- Do not believe I have ever read a better argument!


33 posted on 07/26/2011 12:35:12 PM PDT by charlene4 ("The only people who don’t want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.” BHO)
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To: DiogenesLamp
For all your pandering, you seem remarkably incapable of assessing information.

No one has been able to produce a first hand source of BHO claiming he was born in Kenya.

The link you provide lists several claims that are demonstrably false and have known to be so for years.

Example:

“The Associated Press (AP) declared that “Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.””

The link provided here is a third party source ( http://theobamafile.com/_exhibits/APDeclaredObamaKenyanBorn.mht) claiming that the AP said this.

Then they do it again towards the bottom of the post: “Then there's the oft cited AP report of the debate, between Obama and Keyes in 2004, in which Keyes faulted Obama for not being a “natural born” citizen, and in which Obama, by his quick retort, “So what? I am running for Illinois Senator, not the presidency.””

And! They cite the long dicredited coinvicted forger Lucas Smith: “Then there's the guy with the Kenyan birth certificate.”

Basically all that is at your link are errors, misinformation, Internet myths and third hand sources that say Obama was born in Kenya.

34 posted on 07/26/2011 1:08:16 PM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: El Sordo
I heard there's a road sign claiming Obama was born in Kenya...
35 posted on 07/26/2011 1:21:22 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: shield

NO...there has been strong confirmations...his Kenya birth records are in his cousin’s safe. Yours is pure speculation and reasoning...not anything whatsoever factual.

OK, you win. There is a Kenyan Birth Certificate for Barack Obama in his cousin’s safe, then.


36 posted on 07/26/2011 1:36:00 PM PDT by jh4freedom
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To: DiogenesLamp

“Your commentary overlooks the fact that Obama appears to have spread far and wide the rumor that he was from Kenya.”

He did? You seem to have a lack of sources of OBAMA saying he was born in Kenya. Several foreign news stories saying that about him, but not Obama saying that about himself.

You also seem to be lacking sources from before 2008 even calling him Kenyan-born. If Obama was really spreading that rumor far and wide, why does your link have just one article from before 2008? Or are you suggesting that Obama STARTED saying he was born in Kenya in 2008?

“There are lots of newspapers and magazines reporting him as being from Kenya. ( Approximately 26 references in the news claiming he was from Kenya at this link.)”

26? I count 11 references in the “news.” And that’s only if you double-count the Kenyan Standard article and double-count the GraphicGhana/ModernGhana article. So really, 9.

And of those nine, all but one is from an African publication (and most of those are online-only, it seems), and the ninth is in a podcast description that isn’t reflected in the podcast itself.

So is it really your contention that Obama has snookered the ENTIRE WORLDWIDE PRESS into believing that he was born in Hawaii, except for nine random writers (mostly in Africa) who know the REAL truth about an American Presidential candidate? And who nonchalantly put it in articles about his political campaigns?

See, I think it’s more likely that nine random writers made the same factual mistake. An especially understandable one in 2008, when Birthers started writing all over the web that Obama was born in Kenya. But massive international cover-up that missed nine reporters...that’s possible too, I suppose.

“There is a video of his wife saying he was from Kenya,”

Competing explanations:

1) She was plugging his foreign roots; or
2) She accidently slipped up and exposed the secret fraud his family had concealed for 50 years.

I’m going with 1. You’re free to choose 2. But it’s the sillier explanation.

“So your argument that people who think he is from Kenya must have made the whole thing up, is just completely falsified by the evidence.”

And your evidence is a handful of foreign news websites and a couple of ambiguous quotes from speeches? Even moon hoaxers laugh at how pitiful a showing of evidence that is.

The fact that you’re lacking evidence before 2008 does tend to suggest that people started making things up in 2008. Birthers made up the idea that Obama made some confession to Keyes in 2004. Birthers still repeat the made-up idea that he had a foreign scholarship at Occidental. Birthers are not averse to made-up ideas.

“They are the victims of a bunch of falsified rumors which must have originated from Barry Obama.”

Which “must have” originated? Really? You can’t imagine any other way rumors could get started about Obama other than HIM starting them?


37 posted on 07/26/2011 2:15:03 PM PDT by Vickery2010
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To: El Sordo
For all your pandering, you seem remarkably incapable of assessing information.

No one has been able to produce a first hand source of BHO claiming he was born in Kenya.

The link you provide lists several claims that are demonstrably false and have known to be so for years.

I gave you that link because it was the nearest one to hand. I don't put much stock in the born in Kenya argument, so I don't make much effort to keep up with all the links that assert it. It IS, like everything else Obama says, A LIE. I happened to remembered that one, so I gave it to you, figuring you could disregard the crap and focus on the actual legitimate sources. I Obviously overestimated you.

“The Associated Press (AP) declared that “Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.””

The link provided here is a third party source ( http://theobamafile.com/_exhibits/APDeclaredObamaKenyanBorn.mht) claiming that the AP said this.

Does it not occur to you that in the realm of rumor spreading, the truth isn't all that important? If enough people SAY the AP said that, it's almost as good as if they had. Most people wouldn't bother checking, they would just run with it. The question you must ask yourself is who let the word "Kenya" get connected to Obama if not Obama himself?

Then they do it again towards the bottom of the post: “Then there's the oft cited AP report of the debate, between Obama and Keyes in 2004, in which Keyes faulted Obama for not being a “natural born” citizen, and in which Obama, by his quick retort, “So what? I am running for Illinois Senator, not the presidency.””

And! They cite the long dicredited coinvicted forger Lucas Smith: “Then there's the guy with the Kenyan birth certificate.”

Basically all that is at your link are errors, misinformation, Internet myths and third hand sources that say Obama was born in Kenya.

So you assert. You are either sloppy or lying. Let's make this really simple so that you can understand it. Shoot them all down but one, and you still have that one. You are diverting attention from the fact that it has been WIDELY reported that Obama was from Kenya, and instead are focusing on the trivia of inaccuracy from a few links, and proclaiming the ACCURATE links "guilty by association!" Let's take a look at one of them.

NPR? Whoda thunk that bunch of Liberals would fall for the ole "Born in Kenya" joke? NPR has since corrected that article, but the original is copied on websites all over the world.

Quit trying to push history down the memory hole. Obama played up the "born in Kenya" angle while he thought it was in his best interest, and after he decided to run for President he decided it was no longer helpful. The evidence that Barry is the SOURCE of all these idiot rumors is lying all about the internet. Even his WIFE was so stupid as to believe his lie. Here is a video of her repeating "Home country of Kenya". Watch her lips move. Listen to her voice. Tell us all that Michelle Obama is a "Crazy Birther!"

Lie some more. It amuses us if nothing else.

38 posted on 07/26/2011 2:54:14 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (The TAIL of Hawaiian Bureaucracy WAGS the DOG of Constitutional Law.)
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To: charlene4
When people hear that Obama's birth certificate is a fake, some people (the number is shrinking) shake their heads in disbelief - or feign disbelief - and say things like, "That's impossible', "not in this day and age" and "Not in our country".

Seriously, do you know anybody whose said or thought that?

Some people are just die-hard Obama fans and will support him no matter what.

Then there are people who've looked into the evidence and concluded that it hasn't been proven that the documents a fake.

It's not that there's any great trust in Obama or politicians.

It's that the arguments for forgery just aren't convincing: often they're laughably unconvincing.

39 posted on 07/26/2011 3:02:20 PM PDT by x
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To: Vickery2010
He did? You seem to have a lack of sources of OBAMA saying he was born in Kenya. Several foreign news stories saying that about him, but not Obama saying that about himself.

It begs the question. Where did these foreign news stories get the idea he was from Kenya? Who, other than himself would have spread such a rumor? I suspect the evidence not in my possession lies in the vaults of every news network in the country, but of course they have no interest in pointing out that their darling "Precedent" is a liar. However, we do have a video of his wife Michelle (actually I think there is more than one video) saying his "Home country of Kenya." Where do you suppose she got this silly notion from? Made it up herself did she? Listen to her voice, watch her lips move. Tell us all she's a "Crazy Birther!"

You also seem to be lacking sources from before 2008 even calling him Kenyan-born. If Obama was really spreading that rumor far and wide, why does your link have just one article from before 2008? Or are you suggesting that Obama STARTED saying he was born in Kenya in 2008?

Didn't you know? It's all part of a Vast right-wing conspiracy to plant false information all over the internet after Obama won. It's so effective it even snookered NPR and His wife Michelle. Alternatively, nobody gave a sh*t about Barry until he became a contender.

26? I count 11 references in the “news.” And that’s only if you double-count the Kenyan Standard article and double-count the GraphicGhana/ModernGhana article. So really, 9.

As I am not focused on this issue like a laserbeam on the economy, I simply counted the blue links many months ago, and remembered the number 26. That you bothered to go through each and every blue link to determine which are and are not "News" links demonstrates a very commendable level of fanaticism about such a trivial issue as Obama lying to everyone about his origins once again. You count nine. I'll take it. Prove the 9 were made up.

So is it really your contention that Obama has snookered the ENTIRE WORLDWIDE PRESS into believing that he was born in Hawaii, except for nine random writers (mostly in Africa) who know the REAL truth about an American Presidential candidate? And who nonchalantly put it in articles about his political campaigns?

Not at all. That is your silly idea. More like Obama let people believe he was "Kenyan" for the early part of his political career because he felt it lent him an exotic air. While he was a nobody, it didn't matter if it was true or not. When he became a contender, it was no longer useful but instead a potentially serious liability. The African press, not getting the word to change gears the way the American Press moves in lockstep, continued reporting what they regarded as the truth out of a sense of pride.

See, I think it’s more likely that nine random writers made the same factual mistake. An especially understandable one in 2008, when Birthers started writing all over the web that Obama was born in Kenya. But massive international cover-up that missed nine reporters...that’s possible too, I suppose.

Alternatively, when he was a nothing, nobody cared. So What if the Senator from Illinois tells people he's from "Kenya." Who gives a sh*t? But wait! He's running for President with the Backing of the entire MEDIA INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX. That rumor has to be squelched and quickly! Man the Stations! Carry Water! Run interference! Attack McCain! Attack Palin! (For showing everyone that Obama is a little child idiot.)

I’m going with 1. You’re free to choose 2. But it’s the sillier explanation.

You are going with both. All your arguments have the consistency of P*ss and Sh*t. As it should happen, She did it twice. This time in 2007.

Yeah, sure, no one would be confused about THAT statement from her.

The fact that you’re lacking evidence before 2008 does tend to suggest that people started making things up in 2008. Birthers made up the idea that Obama made some confession to Keyes in 2004. Birthers still repeat the made-up idea that he had a foreign scholarship at Occidental. Birthers are not averse to made-up ideas.

And neither are you. The Above video was shot in 2007. Kinda pokes a hole in your theory there doesn't it? Quick! Make up a new one to explain this dichotomy! :) Move your goalposts back further!

Which “must have” originated? Really? You can’t imagine any other way rumors could get started about Obama other than HIM starting them?

Yeah, his wife could have started the rumors without his knowledge. I guess it must be her fault hmm?

40 posted on 07/26/2011 3:36:58 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (The TAIL of Hawaiian Bureaucracy WAGS the DOG of Constitutional Law.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

“It begs the question. Where did these foreign news stories get the idea he was from Kenya? Who, other than himself would have spread such a rumor?”

People on the internet who wanted to claim that Obama couldn’t be President.

I mean, you are actually familiar with the internet, right? People make crap up and it spreads. Some years back there was a rumor about John McCain having an illegitimate black child. Do you think McCain started that rumor? Do you think Sarah Palin started the rumor about Trig being her grandbaby? Most rumors aren’t created by the people they’re about.

“Prove the 9 were made up.”

Seriously? There are probably thousands of articles saying he was born in Hawaii, and nine that say he was born in Kenya (even calling them ‘articles’ is generous). And in order to believe that they made the same mistake (confusing his father’s birthplace for his), you want me to “prove” that a handful of foreign journalists got their facts wrong about an American politician? What exactly would that ‘proof’ consist of, now?

“More like Obama let people believe he was “Kenyan” for the early part of his political career because he felt it lent him an exotic air.”

Okay, so if we assume that Obama claimed he was born in Kenya until he ran for President, where are all the examples of that? Anything other than the Kenyan Standard article?

I’m willing to bet I could produce a lot more pre-2008 examples of Obama being Hawaiian-born than Kenyan-born. On the other hand, I bet you can’t even produce five examples of Obama ‘letting people believe he was born in Kenya’ prior to his Presidential run. It’s your contention that he carried on that way; can you back it up with examples?

“The African press, not getting the word to change gears the way the American Press moves in lockstep,”

Yes, because OBVIOUSLY Fox News and BigJournalism and Ann Coulter would ‘move in lockstep’ to forget all these supposed instances of Obama claiming to be born in Kenya.

“She did it twice. This time in 2007. Yeah, sure, no one would be confused about THAT statement from her.”

So she called him “Kenyan.” I have a friend who was born and raised in South Carolina. And yet she calls herself “Columbian.” Do you know why? Because her PARENTS were from Columbia.

I suppose you’d think she was lying about her South Carolinian origins if she said she was “Columbian,” because that MUST mean that she was born in South America. Or is there some reason why you think it’s okay to use the adjective for South American heritage but not for African heritage?

See, you keep saying that Obama let people believe he was born in Kenya for years, but if you had real examples of Obama or anyone knowledgeable about him saying ‘Barack was BORN in Kenya,’ you’d be sharing those. But you don’t, so you have to misinterpreting ordinary comments about ethnicity.


41 posted on 07/26/2011 4:06:46 PM PDT by Vickery2010
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To: x
When people hear that Obama’s birth certificate is a fake, some people (the number is shrinking) shake their heads in disbelief - or feign disbelief - and say things like, “That's impossible’, “not in this day and age” and “Not in our country”.
Seriously, do you know anybody whose said or thought that?

I can not even find a Spell_check that doesn't highlight his name as not valid! Seriously? Yes, I have too many times.

Some people are just die-hard Obama fans and will support him no matter what.

Then there are people who've looked into the evidence and concluded that it hasn't been proven that the documents a fake.
I am unaware of an expert who states that. I have seen many experts say it is fake. I tend to go with majority.

It's not that there's any great trust in Obama or politicians.

It's that the arguments for forgery just aren't convincing: often they're laughably unconvincing.

There may be some that are unconvincing,it really doesn't prove anything anyway. It is an *abstract*. Add that to the other questions surrounding a man who refuses to be the least bit transparent and yes, I doubt anything he says.

42 posted on 07/26/2011 4:10:19 PM PDT by charlene4 ("The only people who don’t want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.” BHO)
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To: All
Has anyone found a spell check that does not highlight Barack Obama and tell you the name is even SPELLED wrong?
They do not even offer a suggested spelling that makes any sense!
43 posted on 07/26/2011 4:16:12 PM PDT by charlene4 ("The only people who don’t want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.” BHO)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Your “accurate” link is still just NPR reporting the claim of an African reporter and not a primary source that could be expected to have official information about BHO's place of birth.

It's a far better argument that Birthers are the source of the “Obama was born in Kenya” meme.

As for Michelle Obama, you can believe that she was claiming BHO was born in Kenya. Or you can believe she was pandering to the crowd she was speaking to. Or possibly she was intentionally yanking the Birther chain. That's your choice. To argue that her comments are proof BHO was born in Kenya is flimsy at best.

44 posted on 07/26/2011 4:26:48 PM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: charlene4
I have seen many experts say it is fake. I tend to go with majority.

If an expert doesn't think it's proven to be a fake and doesn't know that there are people who still claim that it's a fake, that expert isn't going to post about it online. So what you're seeing is an unrepresentative sample.

Consider all the people here who've just stopped paying attention to this and you get an idea of how skewed the representation can be. People -- experts or not -- who aren't convinced that there are easily detectable signs of fraud in the document have just stopped talking about this and stopped caring.

And what kind of "experts" are you talking about? "Experts" who don't know about fountain pens and manual typewriters and how they work? "Experts" who think a forger would take the same word off different documents produced with different typewriters? "Experts" who don't know that turning a document in a bound volume into a two dimensional graphic necessarily involves some distortion of the words and letters and lines?

Realizing that there are people out there who assume that the ordinary workings of old fashioned pens and typewriters are signs of forgery because they don't look like today's ballpoints and felt-tips or word processors and laser printers convinced me that if there was a fraud, these "experts" would never be able to prove it.

I get no joy from being a skeptic. It would be the story of a lifetime if the birth certificate were an easily detectable forgery. But if you were the President of the United States -- even a particularly incompetent president -- wouldn't you at least be able to hire a competent and skilled forger if you needed one?

I'm not saying the document is legitimate. I don't know and couldn't prove it one way or the other. But most of these online "experts" don't have a clue either.

45 posted on 07/26/2011 5:49:53 PM PDT by x
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To: charlene4

The state of Hawaii has provided Obama with “plausible deniablity.” He can always say that he mearly posted what the state of Hawaii sent him. If there is something wrong with the birth certificate, it’s the state of Hawaii’s fault.

HAWAI‘I HEALTH DEPARTMENT GRANTS PRESIDENT OBAMA’S REQUEST FOR CERTIFIED COPIES OF ‘LONG FORM’ BIRTH CERTIFICATE
HONOLULU – The Hawai’i State Health Department recently complied with a request by President Barack Obama for certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth, which is sometimes referred to in the media as a “long form” birth certificate.
“We hope that issuing certified copies of the original Certificate of Live Birth to President Obama will end the numerous inquiries related to his birth in Hawai’i,” Hawai’i Health Director Loretta Fuddy said. “I have seen the original records filed at the Department of Health and attest to the authenticity of the certified copies the department provided to the President that further prove the fact that he was born in Hawai’i.”
On April 22, 2011, President Obama sent a letter to Director Fuddy, requesting two certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth. Also on that day, Judith Corley, the President’s personal attorney, made the same request in writing on behalf of the President.

On April 25, 2011, pursuant to President Obama’s request, Director Fuddy personally witnessed the copying of the original Certificate of Live Birth and attested to the authenticity of the two copies. Dr. Alvin Onaka, the State Registrar, certified the copies.

President Obama authorized Ms. Corley to pick up the documents. On April 25, 2011, Ms. Corley appeared in person at the Hawai’i State Department of Health building in Honolulu, paid the requisite fee, and was given the two certified copies, a response letter from Director Fuddy to President Obama, and a receipt for payment.

In June 2008, President Obama released his Certification of Live Birth, which is sometimes referred to in the media as a “short form” birth certificate. Both documents are legally sufficient evidence of birth in the State of Hawai’i, and both provide the same fundamental information: President Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawai’i at 7:24 p.m. on August 4, 1961, to mother Stanley Ann Dunham and father Barack Hussein Obama.
In 2001, the Hawai’i State Department of Health began computer-generating vital statistics records. Since then, its longstanding policy and practice has been to issue and provide only the computer-generated Certifications of Live Birth, and to not produce photocopies of actual records to fulfill requests for certified copies of certificates.
Director Fuddy made an exception for President Obama by issuing copies of the original birth certificate. The departmental policy to issue only computer-generated Certifications of Live Birth remains in effect for all birth records that have been computerized. Director Fuddy, in her capacity as Health Director, has the legal authority to approve the process by which copies of birth records are made.
“The exception made in this case to provide President Obama with a copy of his original Certificate of Live Birth was done according to the letter of the law,” Attorney General David Louie said. “Director Fuddy exercised her legal authority in a completely appropriate manner in this unique circumstance. We will continue to maintain the strict confidentiality requirements afforded to vital statistics records, such as birth certificates. These requirements help protect the integrity of the records, and keep us all safe from crimes, such as identity theft.”
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/News_Release_Birth_Certificate_042711.pdf


46 posted on 07/26/2011 6:14:29 PM PDT by jh4freedom
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To: x; charlene4
If an expert doesn't think it's proven to be a fake and doesn't know that there are people who still claim that it's a fake, that expert isn't going to post about it online. So what you're seeing is an unrepresentative sample.

Also, it's difficult to prove something's not a fake, and impossible to prove that an online image is not a fake. So the best an expert could say is that there's not enough evidence to conclude that the online image is a fake. And, in fact, several have said that.

47 posted on 07/26/2011 6:17:56 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: jh4freedom
"“I have seen the original records filed at the Department of Health and attest to the authenticity of the certified copies the department provided to the President that further prove the fact that he was born in Hawai’i.” "

Notice he does not see he saw the original birth certificate

?Notice how they STILL have not released his BC- only an 'abstract'

I just got my BC the other day and I am 3 years older than him

48 posted on 07/26/2011 6:19:36 PM PDT by Mr. K (CAPSLOCK! -Unleash the fury! [Palin/Bachman 2012- unbeatable ticket])
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To: Mr. K

Did they cut the original out of the book and send it to you?


49 posted on 07/26/2011 7:54:25 PM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: x

Proving the authentication of an actual document requires...the actual document. Thus far, no actual document has ever been presented for the COLB or the LFBC. They digital images, supposedly scans in some cases.

Authentication can never be done via digital images. Never. The actual document is required. However, fraud can be shown from digital images. The signs of fraud are usually present and they are present in both the ‘scans’ of both documents and the photos of the COLB posted on Factcheck.

When real, actual, physical documents of BOTH documents are provided they can be authenticated. But neither has been provided, ever. So nothing has been proven as authentic. It is impossible.

Hawaii or the WH could provide the actual certified copy of the document of record and the supporting records. They refuse. Hawaii officials seem to think they can play the game of being coy. This has run its course. Schatz is in this up his eyeballs. He is a young man with a family. Maybe he should come forward. It is time.


50 posted on 07/26/2011 8:38:09 PM PDT by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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