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Rick Warren, What Were You Thinking?(Taking heat for tweeting the truth on taxes)
http://www.drumsnwhistles.com ^ | July 26, 2011 | Karoli Kuns

Posted on 07/27/2011 7:44:08 AM PDT by Maelstorm

This tweet is appalling. Odious. Have you fallen down the rabbit hole so far you have forgotten Matthew 25:31-46? Here, let me quote it for you, and for readers who may not be familiar with it:

From the New International Version:

31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. 34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”


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Rick Warren is taking heat from the left for tweeting the truth on Taxes.

1 posted on 07/27/2011 7:44:14 AM PDT by Maelstorm
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To: Maelstorm

STEALING money from people to provide for the poor is NOT what Jesus had in mind...they sure love the Scriptures when it furthers their agenda, but that talk about homosexuality..? Forgeddabout it!


2 posted on 07/27/2011 7:47:44 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Maelstorm
I guess Karoli doesn't like the truth.

By the way, Karoli, Jesus is not saying that Caesar should confiscate money from individuals to take care of the needy. He is saying that YOU should take money out of YOUR OWN pocket to help them.

Demanding that the law force others to "help the needy" is thievery, not compassion.

3 posted on 07/27/2011 7:47:49 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody

Like the verse that says, He who does not WORK, shall NOT eat...


4 posted on 07/27/2011 7:50:00 AM PDT by Vor Lady (Everyone should read The Importance of the Electoral College by Geo. Grant)
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To: Maelstorm

I am endlessly amazed at the leftists who apparently believe that paying their taxes fulfills Jesus’s command to care for the poor, and they need do nothing on a personal level.
Yet what Jesus is calling for here is very personal involvement, one to one, neighbor helping neighbor, the very thing leftists do not want to have to do, become personally involved.


5 posted on 07/27/2011 7:57:27 AM PDT by Wiser now (Socialism is the greed of the poor and the polticians who exploit them.)
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Anyone who can’t tell the difference between giving freely to actually help the needy, and rendering unto Caesar (who isn’t needy), needs to do something other than cut and paste with his Bible.

The government isn’t Christ; taxes aren’t given.


6 posted on 07/27/2011 7:59:25 AM PDT by ChuteTheMall (Tagline: (optional, printed after your name on post):)
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To: MEGoody

That is exactly right! Christianity is about the individual and their personal behavior.


7 posted on 07/27/2011 8:02:55 AM PDT by MCF
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To: Maelstorm
I usually don't care much for Warren.

I'm very happy to see him say this.

8 posted on 07/27/2011 8:03:38 AM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: who knows what evil?
STEALING money from people to provide for the poor is NOT what Jesus had in mind...they sure love the Scriptures when it furthers their agenda, but that talk about homosexuality..? Forgeddabout it!

How about 2 Thessalonians 3:10 :

For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”

9 posted on 07/27/2011 8:06:15 AM PDT by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: MEGoody

Waiting for liberals to make donations to the Federal government because they want taxes raised.....~crickets~


10 posted on 07/27/2011 8:07:59 AM PDT by Matt Hatter
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To: Siena Dreaming

Same here. Looks like the taxation is finally starting to catch up with Warren.


11 posted on 07/27/2011 8:16:27 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Siena Dreaming

I was really impressed. He did back track a bit but I’m glad to see that his thinking is more on the right track than not.


12 posted on 07/27/2011 8:18:26 AM PDT by Maelstorm (Better to keep your enemy in your sights than in your camp expecting him to guard your back.)
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To: tx_eggman

Good verse. I’ll have to remember it.


13 posted on 07/27/2011 8:18:31 AM PDT by Maelstorm (Better to keep your enemy in your sights than in your camp expecting him to guard your back.)
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To: tx_eggman
How about 2 Thessalonians 3:10 : For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”

Then there is 1 Timothy 5:8...

"But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel."

14 posted on 07/27/2011 8:23:40 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Maelstorm

did anybody mention on the presidential election cycles, that Rick Warren is the MAIN CLOWN giving the DEMS political cover, even though they advocate for Partial birth abortion?

Sorry Rick, some of us have memories longer than 5 minutes and we remember your support of Gore and Clinton.


15 posted on 07/27/2011 8:27:37 AM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: Maelstorm

Of course Jesus called Matthew away from being a tax collector to become a disciple. If he loved taxes so much then why would he take away the chief tax collector and place him in ministry?

Taxes have nothing to do with helping the poor. It is about helping six figure bureaucrats. I believe it was Jesus who said the poor you will always have with you.


16 posted on 07/27/2011 8:28:31 AM PDT by Patrick1 ("The problem with Internet quotations is that many are not genuine." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Maelstorm

Rich is right about taxes but he is dead wrong about God and the Bible.


17 posted on 07/27/2011 8:29:19 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Obama is a Communist, a Muslim, and an illegal alien)
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To: Maelstorm
If I was on the 'left'; I would be a bit concerned about this verse cited in this story...

“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."

Yikes!

18 posted on 07/27/2011 8:31:42 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Maelstorm; tx_eggman

You wrote: “Good verse. I’ll have to remember it.”

Here’s another one:

Marxists want us to pervert justice by favoring the poor. Leviticus 19:15 “is a helpful correction” to that notion.

Here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2287244/posts?page=3#3

More:

“[Some are involved in] a disastrous confusion between the poor of the Scripture and the proletariat of Marx.” ~ Pope Benedict XVI (Theologies of Liberation)

C.S. Lewis:

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under live robber barons than under omnipotent moral busibodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good, will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”


19 posted on 07/27/2011 8:32:40 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Re-Focus: TEA means the "Taxed Enough Already Movement")
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To: who knows what evil?

Good point.

Paul loved everyone with the love of Christ, but he had little patience for leeches that expected others to take care of them. He said that he, though he had a right, as an apostle, to live on the gifts of his fellow Christians, preferred to provide for himself when he could.

There is nothing Christian about welfare. There is certainly nothing Christian about supporting people in immorality and subsidizing ungodliness.

To all the “Christian Left” I would like to say, “Owww. Sorry, wrong answer, but thanks for playing.”


20 posted on 07/27/2011 8:32:51 AM PDT by old3030 (I lost some time once. It's always in the last place you look.)
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To: Wiser now

Let me play devil’s advocate as to what the response may be. Do you think all of Christ’s commandments are personal? Should no area of government policy be influenced by Christian morals, etc?


21 posted on 07/27/2011 8:39:23 AM PDT by Augustinian monk
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To: BereanBrain
Sorry Rick, some of us have memories longer than 5 minutes and we remember your support of Gore and Clinton.

I couldn't agree more, but you know what they say about blind mammals and acorns... :-)

22 posted on 07/27/2011 8:40:33 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Augustinian monk; Wiser now
It seems to me that A. monk is setting up a false dilemma. It is perfectly consistent to hold both that (1) charity should be personal (St. Paul emphasized this: he would not "impose" charitable giving re the Macedonians) and that every area of Govt. policy should be influenced by Christian morals.

Why would these things be contradictory?

23 posted on 07/27/2011 8:54:48 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Qwerty, ergo typo.)
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To: old3030
There is nothing Christian about welfare.

I would be happy to teach you how to grow tomatoes, but I am not giving any away...

24 posted on 07/27/2011 9:00:30 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Augustinian monk

Sure there should be influence a man who says his faith does not affect his decisions on matters of govt is either a liar or a non believer. The problem is when we build govt structures to turn charity into taxes and gratitude into entitlement we are twisting the whole idea behind the admonition to charity from something that is beneficial to the soul of the individual to something of indifference or in the case of taxes and entitlement sources of bitterness and envy. So the neither the man who is forced to give or the man who receives that which is given gets the true benefit of the exchange. The man from whom his wealth or property is taken without his free consent often before he even has a chance to see it is more likely to be resentful or feel absolutely nothing while the man who receives does not get to experience the gratitude and if he does it becomes directed at a middle man who spent not one hour earning the money he is handing it.

What happens is a process that normally would bring men to together becomes one that drives men even further apart into their respective classes and their souls receive none of the benefit that comes from interacting directly with their fellow man giving of themselves freely counteracting what is often mans natural self centered nature and helping the down trodden feel a sense of inclusion and gratitude towards someone who helped them who did not have to.

This is why Jesus nor God never said lift up Caesar so that you can do as you will while Caesar carries out God’s will on your behalf.


25 posted on 07/27/2011 9:06:15 AM PDT by Maelstorm (Better to keep your enemy in your sights than in your camp expecting him to guard your back.)
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To: Maelstorm

The Bible was referring to God’s people, not government. If a hungry person comes to you, God wants the CHURCH to feed them, not point the way to the food stamp office. Taxes are just theft. If taxes got you to heaven, then only the rich would go.


26 posted on 07/27/2011 9:08:45 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: Maelstorm

WOW!! That’s the first thing I’ve liked that Rick has said in years!!!!!!<P.Hey lefty bloodsuckers....the TRUTH HURTS!


27 posted on 07/27/2011 9:26:42 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion is the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Siena Dreaming; Maelstorm; who knows what evil?

Aside from Warren supporting Godless Liberals,
Why would ANY Christian pay attention to Warren,
after his reaching out to his Muslim “brothers?”

Franklin Graham understands Islam !
...Islam IS the religion of Satan.
The Quran itself, gives permission to beat your wife, to have sex with 9 year old children, to kill ALL Jews, to “terrorize” unbelievers, and much much more !!!

The Quran does not recognize ANY other religion as being legitimate. (”People of the Book” going to Heaven, applies only to people BEFORE Muhammad!)

Jesus in the Quran is neither the only-begotten Son of God nor the Messiah who was divinely appointed to restore the House of David. He is rather viewed as a prophet who was appointed by Allah to prepare mankind for the coming of Mohammad.”

Quote of the Day: “Before we “shake your hand” in responding to your letter, we ask forgiveness of the All-Merciful One and of the Muslim community around the world.” – Rick Warren in a speech to Muslims.

This weekend, the Memorial Drive Presbyterian Church in Houston along with Christian communities in Atlanta, Seattle, and Detroit will initiate a series of sermons that have been designed to produce an ecumenical reconciliation between Christianity and Islam. In addition to the sermons, the Sunday school lessons will center on the inspired teachings of the Prophet Mohammad. Qurans will be placed in the pews next to the Bibles.
(NOTE: Due to the overwhelming response that this article has generated, the Pastor of Memorial Church has issued a semi-denial of the events we reported. They do not, however, deny supporting and teaching a doctrine called “Jesus in the Koran. Click here to read their semi-denial. So until other information is made available to NTEB, we will run the story as is, along with their side, and you the reader can decide what’s going on. But people, ask yourself…would any real, bible believing church try and teach it’s members about “Jesus in the Koran”? That’s blasphemy.)

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=1366


28 posted on 07/27/2011 9:37:09 AM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: Elendur

Agreeing with Warren’s ‘tweet’ does NOT translate to support for Warren overall...not by a long shot.


29 posted on 07/27/2011 9:43:33 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Augustinian monk

Whose morality shall the government adopt? The real teachings of Jesus, or the false teachings of secular humanism which attempts to hijack Christ’s teaching for its own political ends?
For instance, Jesus advised his followers to give their alms in secret and seek no reward. Such secrecy would also protect the giver from prying eyes, allowing God alone to judge the value of the sacrifice.
Yet secular humanism holds that it adherents may be judgemental in determining the level of “giving” required of a certain income group, and enable it’s “moral” government to enforce that level of “giving” with the threat of prosecution of those who object.
Which “morality” would you choose?


30 posted on 07/27/2011 9:45:16 AM PDT by Wiser now (Socialism is the greed of the poor and the polticians who exploit them.)
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To: Elendur
I attend Saddleback church.

Our church feeds hundred's of family's every week.
Need a car we will give you one.
Need a place to live we will find you one.

Rick drives a 11 year old Ford and has lived in the same tract house for over 20 years.

He gives away 90% of his income and is not paid to lead Saddleback Church. How much of your income do you give away? You use Geoffrey Grider as a source of info. I guess you are also into Alex Jones? How about Kingdom Identity Ministries?

31 posted on 07/27/2011 10:51:51 AM PDT by troy McClure
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To: Vor Lady

That is one verse liberals don’t like to hear. Very few conservative’s know it. Its a great verse to tell someone that thinks compassion is helping the lazy..


32 posted on 07/27/2011 2:56:33 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: ChuteTheMall

Jesus: Give your money to the poor.
Libs: Give your neighbors’ money to the poor.


33 posted on 07/27/2011 2:59:59 PM PDT by kevao
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