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Child Protective Services CPS is harassing good parents Spokane, Washington
ripoffreport ^ | Thursday, July 28, 2011

Posted on 07/29/2011 11:28:40 AM PDT by no gnu taxes

Let me just dive right in and I'll make a very long story short. My Sister is the type of person who will smile as she is twisting the knife in your back. I have tried to be a good brother and have a relationship with her but, each time I do she does something horrible to me.

In spring of 2009, she decided she hated my Wife and called CPS on us stating that our daughter (3 years old at the time) had a speech problem and we were doing nothing about it. So the CPS woman came over with a sidekick (I guess a Trainee) and went through our house.

When she got to my Son's closet she gasped and said "Where are all his clothes?" I reached over and thumbed through the 15 pairs of pants, 12 shirts and endless amounts of underwear and socks and said "Well, how much clean cloths does one boy need?" She said nothing and with no expression on her face she turned and went into my Daughters room. When entering my Daughters room, she gasped once again and said "What happened to her bed!" I stated "It's a Toddler bed conversion. There very common."

She again said nothing and with no emotion or expression raided the rest of the house and sat down with us and said there were allegations of medical neglect due to our daughter having a speech disorder and us not doing anything about it. We were surprised as you could imagine. She insisted that we get her checked out right away. So we agreed and she left.

We immediatly scheduled an appointment with a local elementary school to get her tested. A week later we went in for the test and our daughter was interviewed and tested for everything from speech and motor skills over the coarse of about a 90 minute time frame after which, they told us her speech was fine but, they thought she could benefit from motor skills training.

So, we left and I called the CPS worker. She did not answer any of my calls whatsoever. I tried repeatedly for 2 weeks to get ahold of her and heard nothing. So we figured it was done. A year later... let me repeat 1 full year later, the CPS woman shows up at our door demanding proof that we had her tested. After a year I was going to have to look around for the documents so she left stating that we better have them to her by 5pm period.

So we searched and called her with the info. I called her again several times and did not hear from her till 3 days later. When she called she said " I am closing this case but filing it under Medical Neglect and handing it over to Law enforcement! and oh, by they way I know you beat your wife and I will be watching you. I have called everyone and if you miss one appointment or she misses any school for any reason, I will know about it and I will open up an new case right away!" I was blown away.

I have never hurt so much as a fly all my life and I invited her to talk with my Wife if she thought otherwise. She stated "Oh, it wouldn't do any good because she is too scared to tell me anything." I felt like I was in the twilight zone. We are fantastic parents, we go to church, have voluntarily gone to all of our churches parenting classes just so we could be the best parents we could be. We don't spank our kids, our kids are very well behaved, we get compliments all the time, we read to our kids and have nearly every Dr. Suess book there is, we take our kids to the park 2 to 3 times a week, we take them to the YMCA 2-3 times a week, we are very involved in their education, they get all theie medical needs met, we don't miss any doctor appointments or dentist appointments and the list goes on and on.

This CPS woman said that because we waited 2 months to get her into school 4 days after she turned 4 years old, that she was calling that Medical Neglect. We were never told that we had to or else! We were never told we had no choice as her parents! We were taking her to classes at church and we were doing a home preschool. This CPS woman seems hell bent to hang us and there is nothing we can do. We have a court date and we are fighting this but, it sure has taken a lot of wasted time and energy from us that we would rather be spending with our kids. I should have invited the CPS worker to one of the 6 camping trips we went on so far this summer as a family. They were a blast and we had fantastic quality time with our kids!

I am convinced there is no one on earth that loves their kids more, or does more for them then we do. The harassment by CPS to us has been appaling! And this torture is going on and on. By the time we are done we will have been at this for 2 years! . Any help, prayers, or thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Our trial is in less then 6 months in January. Thank you


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1 posted on 07/29/2011 11:28:43 AM PDT by no gnu taxes
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To: no gnu taxes

Bump


2 posted on 07/29/2011 11:32:57 AM PDT by webstersII
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To: no gnu taxes

That’s just terrorism.


3 posted on 07/29/2011 11:33:15 AM PDT by MeganC (Are you better off than you were four years ago?)
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To: no gnu taxes

“Did you really think we want those laws observed?” said Dr. Ferris. “We want them to be broken. You’d better get it straight that it’s not a bunch of boy scouts you’re up against... We’re after power and we mean it... There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals.

Well, when there aren’t enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system, Mr. Reardon, that’s the game, and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with.” (Atlas Shrugged 1957)


4 posted on 07/29/2011 11:33:24 AM PDT by null and void (Day 919. When your only tools are a Hammer & Sickle, everything looks like a Capitalist...)
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To: no gnu taxes

Just out of curiosity, why did you let her search your house? Did she have a warrant?


5 posted on 07/29/2011 11:33:27 AM PDT by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: no gnu taxes

If you were homeschooling I’d tell you to go join HSLDA but in any case you need either a lawyer or to leave the state. Seriously. That kind of thing is going to follow you but CPS has terrible interstate communication. What state are you in anyway?

Never let those people into your home without a warrant. They have no authority to come in if you don’t let them.


6 posted on 07/29/2011 11:37:25 AM PDT by JenB
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To: no gnu taxes

If you can prove your sister acted in a malicious fashion, you might be able to sue her for defamation of character once this is over with.

I was sort of hoping that with all the economic troubles we have, people in CPS would be laid off.


7 posted on 07/29/2011 11:37:56 AM PDT by goldi (')
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To: goldi
I was sort of hoping that with all the economic troubles we have, people in CPS would be laid off.

A start. A good start. But only a start.

8 posted on 07/29/2011 11:40:27 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: WayneS

This wasn’t me; I just posted it from the blog.


9 posted on 07/29/2011 11:41:24 AM PDT by no gnu taxes
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To: no gnu taxes
It's too late for you, but let this be a lesson to ALL Freepers: If a drone from a State or Federal service comes by, order them to produce a legal warrant of entry, or order them to evacuate the premises -- and videotape it all.

Scenario:

CPS: (knock knock knock)
Me: (opens door) Hello?
CPS: I'm with the CPS and I'm here to....
Me: (interrupts) Oh hey cool! Glad you are here. I need to do something and I will be right back. (close door).
Me: (returns, open door, videotape machine recording, in hand) Now, what can I do for you?
CPS: I need entry to your home to look at your children.
Me: Do you have a warrant that permits you to demand entry to my home?
CPS: No.
Me: Then I will have to demand that you evactuate the property immediately. I need to contact my attorney so as to enforce this, should you decline. Bye now. (Close door) (contact attorney)

10 posted on 07/29/2011 11:42:13 AM PDT by Lazamataz (If you pet a tiny goose, you will feel a little down.)
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To: no gnu taxes

Your sister has a borderline personality disorder. Psychiatrists hate to deal with them. These people either love you or hate you and you don’t have to do much to be on the receiving end of their subterfuge when they are in their ‘hate’ mode.

Your best bet is to keep away from her. Even then, she will be doing her best to find out what she can about you and yours in order to come up with something to hurt you with.

Getting CPS involved is sickening. You should probably get a lawyer and get some kind of restraining order in regard to your sister. Then show that to the CPS every time they show up, and have a lawyer contact CPS with your proof of ‘compliance, plus a documented history on your sister.


11 posted on 07/29/2011 11:43:06 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: WayneS

It’s worse than a warrant. They had to identify everything in the house that has the potential to harm a child or proof that the parents are withholding food, etc.


12 posted on 07/29/2011 11:43:48 AM PDT by definitelynotaliberal (There is no native criminal class except Congress. Mark Twain)
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To: no gnu taxes

Oh! Sorry about that.


13 posted on 07/29/2011 11:44:33 AM PDT by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: no gnu taxes

I have some advice and it comes from experience.

Move! Move out of state right now. Your family is more important than any job or network of friends. Your kids are in the CPS target zone and those people are drunk with power and persistent.

Cut off your sister. Just move away and cut any ties you have with her. She will continue to cause you grief and, if she is like mine, it will only escalate.


14 posted on 07/29/2011 11:44:36 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: no gnu taxes

LOL! I’ve made the same mistake in the past. Hoo-boy!

Next time please make sure and state in the first line that you are quoting from another source. It really makes it easier for the rest of us to know it isn’t you who is being victimized.


15 posted on 07/29/2011 11:49:32 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: no gnu taxes

From the very beginning of the article: “...and went through our house.”

So, they had a search warrant then?


16 posted on 07/29/2011 11:54:57 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: no gnu taxes

The author, and the rest of us, really need to watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

The guy gives real world examples to back it up.


17 posted on 07/29/2011 11:58:17 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: no gnu taxes

You should have slapped the sister and the CPS employee.


18 posted on 07/29/2011 12:03:59 PM PDT by Sarajevo (The only reason I would take up walking is so that I could hear heavy breathing again.)
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I wonder what the whole truth is here. cps workers are generally inert sloths who prefer to ignore calls regarding actual abuse. i know from experience.


19 posted on 07/29/2011 12:09:27 PM PDT by Round 9
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To: no gnu taxes
If the local police came to you and said, we've heard some rumors that you might be doing something illegal. We have no proof, and we are not even sure what it is you might be doing, but do you mind letting us in so we can search your house, go through your financial and medical records and anything else we decide to look at, and question you without legal council and see if we find something. You would, I hope, quickly show them the door and get a lawyer. CPS should be treated in the same manor. They are NOT there to help you, they are there to conduct a fishing expedition against you.

The best thing to do when confronted by CPS is to lawyer up right away with the RIGHT lawyer, one that will actually tell you what rights you have (you have a hell of a lot more than you probably think) and that you are under no obligation to cooperate, meet with, or provide any information to CPS anymore than any other quasi-law enforcement agency (be careful many lawyers actually work cases for CPS and will lie to you and tell you that you have no rights and must cooperate). Then any time you are contacted by CPS, you say nothing and refer them to your lawyer. If they want to set up a meeting, tell them only with your lawyer present and all meetings will be recorded. If they come to your door, send them away. If they call you, record the call (if legal in your state) many times they will make false threats that you can use against them if it ever goes to court.

20 posted on 07/29/2011 12:25:51 PM PDT by apillar
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A few years ago I had to sit on a child custody jury. One of the questions the attorneys asked before jury selection was "Do you trust the judgment of CPS officers?". I didn't hear one affirmative answer. Furthermore, during the trial the CPS woman's testimony was completely ignored.

One of the kids (a boy of 7 or 8) made the statement that he wanted a new bike because his father ran over his with his truck. The CPS woman took the stand and had the ignorant gall to claim the man intentionally ruined the boys bike because she knew he had warned him several times that if he kept leaving it in the driveway it was going to get run over. I think the jury did a collective eye roll.

21 posted on 07/29/2011 12:25:51 PM PDT by Bearshouse
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Prayers for you & your family. If you can move for your job do it. This worker is a kook herself. By law when a call comes in they MUST come out. So if you do as another poster said & have a restraining order that might help. Also the state you are in makes a difference too. NJ likes to go after lower to middle class white people IMHO. They are afraid of the meth & crack heads. As another poster said record everything & get a yellow legal pad & make notes. From what I know you have to have milk, eggs & food in the fridge. Clothes for the children & no feces from pets on the floor. If your sister has any children I would get a friend to call on her. Mostly young girls fight over boyfriends this way. A waste of time & money. However I would return the favor if a family member did it to me. Did they say who called? The worker sounds like she can't do her job. She is supposed to call you back asap. I would want to talk to another case worker or a supervisor.
22 posted on 07/29/2011 12:27:44 PM PDT by pandoraou812 ((You can discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you.))
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Stop. Do not talk to ANYONE ELSE about this matter.

Go directly to an attorney that is experienced in dealing with CPS, and, if necessary, borrow the money to pay him/her. Follow the attorney’s instructions.

Do not try to take on CPS by yourself again, and, when you finish, consult your attorney about the advisability of turning the tables on CPS and the family member who caused all this. Listen and take the advice you’ve paid for.

God’s Blessings.


23 posted on 07/29/2011 12:28:23 PM PDT by July4 (Remember the price paid for your freedom.)
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It amazes me how many otherwise intelligent people, think that they can deal with CPS by themselves and everything will be fine. If you got into a Real Estate or Land dispute in which potentially you could lose your home, the first thing you would do is run out and get the best lawyer that you could afford. When you are dealing with CPS, you are essentially in a dispute where you could lose your children, you might say, “That’s no going to happen, I’m a good parent. I didn’t do anything wrong. I can just show them...” They don’t care if you are innocent or are a good parent, their job is to build a case against you and they know the system a hell of a lot better than you. Dealing with them without a good lawyer is like trying to represent yourself in the property case. You may very well be in the right, you might have the law on your side. But odds are you will lose because you don’t understand the system and “how” to defend yourself.


24 posted on 07/29/2011 12:48:17 PM PDT by apillar
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If your child has blond hair and blue eyes get a really good lawyer and never let CPS in your house again without a warrant. They get big bucks for adopting out certain kids.


25 posted on 07/29/2011 1:14:48 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: goldi
I was sort of hoping that with all the economic troubles we have, people in CPS would be laid off.

In bad economic times or anytime the budget of a bureaucrat is threatened they will make work for themselves.

They will go to great lengths to make individuals, businesses, parents or others prove themselves innocent just to get the same or more money in next years budget. Creating vast amounts of paper work is easy for these lazy people to have written proof that they are invaluable to the state.

Here in Missouri the many departments of government are not allowed to lobby the legislature for money. They can not have lobbyists. Instead the various department get around the state laws by having "Legislative Liaisons" on their payroll who are nothing more than full time lobbyists.

Bureaucrats are the best at knowing how to work the system when it comes to protecting their jobs and benefits.

26 posted on 07/29/2011 1:17:20 PM PDT by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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To: no gnu taxes

Well, sending her to public school is pretty much child abuse.
Once CPS notices you for any reason it is time to move to another state. CPS will not relent and will dog you for the rest of your child-rearing life.


27 posted on 07/29/2011 1:31:57 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: no gnu taxes

Some years back my boy and family lived in Alabama. One night his eight-year-old stepson had a friend over. Around 10 pm they went to bed (non-school month). At 12 am they get the brainwave to play detective and slip out the window.

The police catch them shining a flashlight in store doorways “looking for criminals” and bring the kids home.

The next day some official (dunno if it was CPS) shows up and grills my son. When he said he put the kids to bed and shut the door, the guy exclaimed “Oh, so you ABANDONED your children and left them unsupervised. You’ll hear from us.”

The wife freaked out but luckily she knew the mayor’s wife. One phone call shut everything down right away. They did, as many here suggested, left the state.


28 posted on 07/29/2011 1:46:27 PM PDT by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: Georgia Girl 2; no gnu taxes
If your child has blond hair and blue eyes get a really good lawyer and never let CPS in your house again without a warrant. They get big bucks for adopting out certain kids.

Healthy new born babies have been targets for adoption before they even left the hospital. Perhaps they were targets even before they were born.

A tip from a member of the medical staff earns a nice payoff.

Beware, beware of state child welfare services

29 posted on 07/29/2011 1:54:03 PM PDT by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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To: cynwoody

Nooooo, we want them working so we know where to find em.


30 posted on 07/29/2011 1:56:56 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Round 9
I wonder what the whole truth is here. cps workers are generally inert sloths who prefer to ignore calls regarding actual abuse. i know from experience.

Once in a while they need actual results in order to keep their sinecures. Like some LEOs, they know it's easier and safer to make up stuff about regular people than to deal with the sort of scum they should be dealing with.

31 posted on 07/29/2011 2:02:28 PM PDT by magslinger (How do you say 'Forward Operating Base' in Arabic? 'Mosque.')
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To: no gnu taxes

Any help, prayers, or thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

The first thing I’d surely do is hire a mobster goon to beat sister to a pulp. If I could afford it I’d hire a lawyer and go after them big time.


32 posted on 07/29/2011 3:00:14 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: Georgia Girl 2

The day is quickly approaching where the CPS will take your kids away if you don’t go along with the gay agenda, and teach your kids that homosexuality is not normal.


33 posted on 07/29/2011 3:11:50 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: no gnu taxes

The following is completely idiotic sarcasm albeit with a
smidge of truth in it: Kill your sister, you and your wife
both get sex changes and convert to islam. No govt. agency will dare to even look sideways at you.


34 posted on 07/29/2011 5:06:05 PM PDT by WePledge (Ich werde fur immer ein Hollenhund werden. Semper Fidelis)
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To: no gnu taxes

have same problem with new braunfuls child protective service in comal county never answers phone, never returns calls, doesnt look after childs best intersted, makes up mind before court date, believes any lie they hear, does not investagate, turns child over to person who bites her, will not let her return to the person who raised her and loves her more than anything else in the world, because they said Im to old (im 68, shes 14) shiped her 6 hours away from me. and has formed an opinion of me from day one (which is dislike)I really hate these people, they are not there to help only to hurt


35 posted on 07/29/2011 6:52:44 PM PDT by freelea
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You reminded me of when my youngest son was born, we had Health America and my Doctor was not on their list but I continued going to him and paying for my prenatal care.

When I went to deliver, a Health America doctor refused to see me and said a resident will have to do it since they didn't want to be held responsible. I'm in labor and not in the best mood. I told her I would be happier with a resident than any Health America doctor. She stormed from the room and I heard the snickers from the other medical personnel. I was treated like a queen, word got around that I told this woman off.

She wasn't done with me..a hospital social worker told us that the Health America doctor advised them that since I had no prenatal care, my baby could not go home with us. I had her call my gynecologist, she rolled her eyes and apologized. I had no idea these things happened..he is 23 now so the danger has passed.

36 posted on 07/29/2011 7:53:30 PM PDT by Dianer0839 (Due to budget cuts, the light at the end of the tunnel will now be turned off.)
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To: Dianer0839
The Health America doctor who would lie to seek revenge is not a doctor I would want treating me. She did you a favor by refusing to be your doctor.
37 posted on 07/30/2011 12:03:07 AM PDT by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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To: no gnu taxes

What are these peoples names? (cps) I live in Spokane WA. I’m afraid of cps so much i dont even want to have my baby in the hospital.


38 posted on 07/31/2013 2:12:39 PM PDT by robusblind69
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