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Congress to decide whether Super Congress could impose gun control
www.gunowners.org ^ | 08/01/11 | Gun Owners of America

Posted on 08/01/2011 12:39:30 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX

Gun owner registration … bans on semi-automatic firearms … adoption of a UN gun control treaty -- all of these issues could very well be decided over the next 24 hours.

Both houses of Congress will be voting on a debt ceiling bill that establishes a legislative committee with TREMENDOUS powers. Fox News is calling this committee a SUPER CONGRESS, because its legislative proposals (which could include gun control provisions) CANNOT be filibustered or amended in the Senate or House.

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We are about to be ruled by a Politburo. The MSM is claiming that the debt agreement is a win for the Tea Party. Hmm, you think they might be lying?
1 posted on 08/01/2011 12:39:39 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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To: Pining_4_TX

When that day comes, they’ll be lines forming outside of all gun stores...


2 posted on 08/01/2011 12:42:20 PM PDT by Beaten Valve
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To: Pining_4_TX
adoption of a UN gun control treaty

FUUN!!!

3 posted on 08/01/2011 12:42:40 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Pining_4_TX

This is nonsense. Any recommendations made by any committee would have to be voted on.


4 posted on 08/01/2011 12:43:46 PM PDT by Perdogg (0bama got 0sama?? Really, was 0sama on the golf course?)
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To: Pining_4_TX

I think they are calling this a win for the Tea Party just like they did for Boehner when he was able to extend the Bush tax cuts, and next year will blame the bad economy on Bush, Boehner and the Tea Party.


5 posted on 08/01/2011 12:43:56 PM PDT by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: Pining_4_TX

Looks like it is all too late. We let them rob us of our freedom.


6 posted on 08/01/2011 12:44:12 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Pining_4_TX

Total nonsense. The “Super Congress” has no such ability

http://keithhennessey.com/2011/08/01/bca-summary/


7 posted on 08/01/2011 12:45:04 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving politicians more tax money is like giving addicts free drugs to cure their addiction)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Oh, here we go, exposition #1 and #2: grandstanding and extreme weakness in proportion.

When the people will be weak and they decide it was not such a good idea, because they will be weak, it will be too late.

The genocide of the worthy type, this wheel of selecting the weak over the strong, started at the French Revolution’s guillotine, by the way.


8 posted on 08/01/2011 12:45:44 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Super Czars!


9 posted on 08/01/2011 12:45:46 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: Perdogg

Did you read the rest of the article? Yes, it would be voted on, but the senate could not filibuster and the speaker could not stop the issue from coming up for a vote. It would make it far easier for gun control measures to be passed.


10 posted on 08/01/2011 12:46:45 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: Pining_4_TX

So, in essence they are trying to create another chamber within the Congress. I think this would take an amendment to the Constitution if I am thinking correctly.


11 posted on 08/01/2011 12:46:58 PM PDT by Bruinator (God is Great.... God is Good....Evil is Real.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

What happens when Americans are not paying attention when it comes time to elect public Officials. Barry Soetoro was selected —not elected. The fix was in as soon as he agreed to
be the face his handlers wanted.Now Congress will do like it always DOES and TELL LIES to the American people they have power over about how we need this legislation and the American sheeple will bleet and bray and wring their hands and do nothing until the next election and then they will vote as they are told to vote like good little darkies on the Democratic Party Plantation.


12 posted on 08/01/2011 12:47:40 PM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Oh, here we go, exposition #1 and #2: grandstanding and extreme weakness in proportion.

When the people will be weak and they decide it was not such a good idea, because they will be weak, it will be too late.

The genocide of the worthy type, this wheel of selecting the weak over the strong, started at the French Revolution’s guillotine, by the way, and we know how that worked out for that country, that free loading subsidize piece of sorry crap of a “country” which could only promulgate its weakness around Europe.

It’s interesting, because I frankly think that the UN’s official language might as well become arabic.


13 posted on 08/01/2011 12:47:40 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Perdogg

Obama skips debt commission meeting (Dec. 2010)
WASHINGTON (CNN) - President Obama did not attend a White House meeting Thursday with members of his own debt commission, irking some of the Democrats on the panel who were expecting a high-level push from the commander-in-chief to show that its comprehensive deficit reduction plan is being taken seriously by the White House.
“He should have at least dropped by,” one Democratic member of the debt commission told CNN, speaking on the condition of anonymity because he wanted to speak more freely about the panel’s private meeting.
http://whitehouse.blogs.cnn.com/2010/12/09/obama-skips-debt-commission-meeting/

yeah, he cares.

we already know the outcome.


14 posted on 08/01/2011 12:48:15 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: Bruinator

You are correct.


15 posted on 08/01/2011 12:48:19 PM PDT by Perdogg (0bama got 0sama?? Really, was 0sama on the golf course?)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


16 posted on 08/01/2011 12:49:22 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Pining_4_TX

So much for the Constitution.
[sound_toilet_flush]
We’re going from worse to revolution. Hate to say it, but it seems the writing is on the wall.


17 posted on 08/01/2011 12:49:24 PM PDT by 50cal Smokepole (Effective gun control involves effective recoil management)
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To: MNJohnnie
Total nonsense. The “Super Congress” has no such ability

Sort of like Obamacare would not support or fund Government funded abortions???

I do NOT trust anyone in the District of Corruption.
18 posted on 08/01/2011 12:52:59 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Pining_4_TX

looks like the latest incarnation of a “base closing commission” or “debt panel commission”.

if it includes “taxes on the rich”, Obammy and media presstitutes will hail it as a wonderful solution arrived upon by wise, bipartisan,elder statesmen.

if it says we need to cut spending and entitlements a whole lot more, it will be ignored and/or voted down.


19 posted on 08/01/2011 12:53:15 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: Pining_4_TX
The whole “super congress” thing is a huge joke and the politicians know it, it has no power or authority other than what the current congress says it has and nothing it does can bind a future congress. Do you honestly think if the democrats got back into power in 2012 and this “super congress” put forward massive spending cuts, they would be allowed to happen? The democrats would simply ignore the super congress, and kill the so-called triggers on a simple majority vote (and probably eliminate the super congress in the process). It would take a constitutional amendment to create a “super congress” with any actual power.
20 posted on 08/01/2011 12:53:31 PM PDT by apillar
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To: Envisioning

((PING))


21 posted on 08/01/2011 12:54:01 PM PDT by waterhill (Little 'r' republican: taker of the Founder's 'Red Pill'...www.mikechurch.com)
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To: 50cal Smokepole

“We’re going from worse to revolution. Hate to say it, but it seems the writing is on the wall.”

If you are a citizen of the Republic, then no law that this “Super Congress” passes applies to you. The best revolution is just to quit producing for these jerks and let them bleed someone else for a change.


22 posted on 08/01/2011 12:56:32 PM PDT by Big_Harry (Ecc10:2 "A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left")
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To: Pining_4_TX
Here's a hint for those pinheads in Washington:
"the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".

Merely discussing limiting MY access to firearms constitutes infringement.

Take Back AMERICA!
FUBO GTFO 2012 !

23 posted on 08/01/2011 12:56:50 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: MNJohnnie

“If 7 or more Members of that Committee approve a bill by November 23rd, it is guaranteed a straight up-or-down vote in the House and Senate by December 23rd. No amendments and no Senate filibuster are allowed of this bill. It’s take-it-or-leave-it to everyone.”

This, from your link, seems to match the excerpt above. I see nothing limiting what the 6 Dim / 6 RINO committee can send to Congress that cannot be halted in the way things were 2008 - 2010.


24 posted on 08/01/2011 12:57:18 PM PDT by Ingtar (Together we go broke (from a Pookie18 post))
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To: MNJohnnie
Who will stop them? You?

I'll bet my house this super congress will be filled with the safest seats in Congress, which will let Congress ram home anything the majority of citizens find unpalatable.

The Lesser Congress will bitch and moan for political theater, all while grabbing the deficit-spending goodies.

25 posted on 08/01/2011 12:57:48 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Bruinator
The whole idea is manifestly UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

Took a bunch of Democrats with totalitaritarian leanings to come up with something like that. We need their names.

26 posted on 08/01/2011 12:57:59 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Bruinator
The whole idea is manifestly UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

Took a bunch of Democrats with totalitaritarian leanings to come up with something like that. We need their names.

27 posted on 08/01/2011 12:58:07 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Cheerio

http://keithhennessey.com/2011/08/01/bca-summary/

Don’t trust, verify. This thread is the usual “Let’s seize on the issue du jour to raise fund for our PAC” nonsense.


28 posted on 08/01/2011 12:58:33 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving politicians more tax money is like giving addicts free drugs to cure their addiction)
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To: waterhill
Really? (sigh)


29 posted on 08/01/2011 12:59:07 PM PDT by Envisioning ( Call me a racist................, one more time......................)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Congress can Constitutionally do no such thing. However, the effort might cause them to discover what a “Super Militia” looks like.


30 posted on 08/01/2011 12:59:41 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: Pining_4_TX
We are about to be ruled by a Politburo

Don't be ridiculous.

Why would any of the 6 Repubs on the committee vote for this?

Runaway sensationalism is alive and well today.

31 posted on 08/01/2011 1:02:43 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Pining_4_TX

What’s this about the Supreme Court?
[/semi-sarc]


32 posted on 08/01/2011 1:03:18 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Cheerio

I don’t see how you’re leaping from a budgetary commission to unstoppable gun control.

It’s like leaping from the UN to a cream soda.


33 posted on 08/01/2011 1:05:24 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: Pining_4_TX
While the whole “super congress” Idea is stupid and their are a lot of good reasons to oppose it. This article drifts into the realm of the absurd. No the six members of the “super congress” won't be able to pass UN treaties, that will still take a 2/3 vote in the senate as required by the constitution. The way I read the legislation, the “super congress” can only propose spending cuts and tax increase. I seriously doubt they could or would propose massive gun control (heck, the dems wouldn't even when they controlled the house by a huge margin) and even if they did, it would have to be approved by a majority in the House and Senate (and somehow, I'm guessing, virtually all of the Republicans and even some democrats aren't in any hurry to throw their jobs away.) Also it's my understanding that this “super congress” dies at the end of the current congress (2012) and would have to be renewed by the next one, because future congress can't be bound by the actions of a past congresses.
34 posted on 08/01/2011 1:07:01 PM PDT by apillar
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To: what's up

I hope you are right. However, you have more faith in the Republicans than I do. This committee is unconstitutional at any rate. Not that the Constitution has much meaning to our elected officials any more.


35 posted on 08/01/2011 1:07:33 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: apillar

I thought GOA was a reliable source of information. If this so far out of the realm of possibility, then I apologize for posting it. Lesson learned.

Thanks for your comment.


36 posted on 08/01/2011 1:12:48 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: Pining_4_TX
It's not unconstitutional.

Committees are set up all the time.

Congress still has to vote ultimately.

37 posted on 08/01/2011 1:16:03 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Big_Harry

You want a “John Galt” bloodless revolution. Sorry, but when (not if!) it comes, Civil War II is going to be vicious and blood will run in the streets. Patriots need to be prepared.


38 posted on 08/01/2011 1:17:24 PM PDT by Astronaut
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To: Pining_4_TX
I hope you are right. However, you have more faith in the Republicans than I do. This committee is unconstitutional at any rate. Not that the Constitution has much meaning to our elected officials any more.

How so? Anything it decides will still have to pass the full House and Senate by majority vote, which satisfies the Constitution. There is nothing in the Constitution requiring filibusters or any other specific procedures; Congress has the power to make its own rules (Art. II, sec. 5, cl. 2), so it can amend those rules to provide that certain bills must get an up-or-down vote.

39 posted on 08/01/2011 1:17:40 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Pining_4_TX
I find it a bit amusing that some people think the congress is going to be shaking and quaking in there boots, mere slaves to the dictates of the “SUPER CONGRESS”. Even if every bit of fearmongering mentioned came to pass and the “SUPER CONGRESS” comes down with a list of gun control, eliminating the constitution an declaring Obama emperor for life and selling all firstborn into slavery. The House and Senate still have to vote on it, and I don't see a whole lot of Republicans voting for that scenario.
40 posted on 08/01/2011 1:17:43 PM PDT by apillar
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To: apillar

NO, they will form a committee to figure out how to compromise on it.


41 posted on 08/01/2011 1:43:25 PM PDT by RKTECT
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To: Pining_4_TX

Those phone lines are not being lite up, I got through to Alexander and Corker to easy just now.


42 posted on 08/01/2011 1:51:17 PM PDT by GailA (Any congress critter who fails to keep faith with the Military, will NOT keep faith with YOU!)
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To: Big_Harry
Wish I was as smart as John Galt, but I'm trying.
43 posted on 08/01/2011 1:53:56 PM PDT by 50cal Smokepole (Effective gun control involves effective recoil management)
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To: Perdogg

do the rules made by that witch Silebus ...0’care need voted on? They pass this, they shred what is left of the Constitution.


44 posted on 08/01/2011 1:54:06 PM PDT by GailA (Any congress critter who fails to keep faith with the Military, will NOT keep faith with YOU!)
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To: Beaten Valve

This so called Super Congress is a voters nightmare! It will take over powers given strictly to Congress. We do NOT need this particular so called Committee. Let Congress do their jobs and vote on each bill. The UN treaty will infringe on the rights of US citizens. The Democrats have wished this nightmare on us. Remember that at 2012 elections.


45 posted on 08/01/2011 1:54:48 PM PDT by Grey Eagle
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To: what's up
It's not unconstitutional. Committees are set up all the time.

unfortunately all we have to do is look at the czars running out of the white house and how they are issuing regulations that no one can question or challenge.

46 posted on 08/01/2011 2:03:38 PM PDT by clove (God, Family and Country, the truth will live!)
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To: clove
Not the same at all.

The Czars have no check. However, no suggestion the committee offers can become law without a vote from Congress.

47 posted on 08/01/2011 2:06:12 PM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up

You think that the way the votes are going and with the strong arm tactics that there will seriously be a “check” on this committee?


48 posted on 08/01/2011 2:08:12 PM PDT by clove (God, Family and Country, the truth will live!)
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To: clove
Why would a majority GOP House vote for tax hikes?

Why would tea party members in the House shut up?

Of course there is a check.

49 posted on 08/01/2011 2:11:47 PM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up
If they don't have the backbone now what makes you think that when/if they have the numbers later they will develop one?

We have had super majority in all three venues before and they did not know how to use it.

50 posted on 08/01/2011 2:14:17 PM PDT by clove (God, Family and Country, the truth will live!)
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