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Gas Tax to expire Sept 30! Congress: Don't you dare extend it!

Posted on 08/05/2011 12:15:58 PM PDT by cotton1706

In normal times, renewing the federal excise tax on gasoline would be another routine vote in Congress.

But as the past month of rancorous and intensely partisan debate about raising the debt ceiling has shown, the times are anything but normal.

And with most of the 18.4-cent tax per gallon of gasoline set to expire Sept. 30, renewing the tax could be the next political controversy to spark a brawl in an ever more deeply divided Capitol Hill....

One transportation advocate who works on the issue told POLITICO that the relevant congressional committees barely seem aware the issue is pending and needs to be resolved.

“I was raising this issue because I consider it pretty important,” said Jack Basso, director of program finance and management for the American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials, a lobbying group of state highway officials. “They really don’t understand that this thing is expiring.”

Already, a handful of conservative groups are eyeing the expiration as the next potential front in the spending and tax fight — including Grover Norquist’s influential Americans for Tax Reform group — but are mum about any potential legislative strategy.

“In general, ATR has always supported the idea of ending the federal tax on gas and having states pay for their own roads,” Norquist told POLITICO, but he declined to say whether he or his group plans to pressure congressional Republicans to let the excise tax expire.

“ATR would love to help begin such a dialogue,” he said.


TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: gasolinetax; gastax
"All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

That's not the case here!!! All the House of Representatives has to do is do nothing and the gas tax is gone forever. The Senate can't do a damn thing about it. Let's see Reid and Schumer make the case for this one!!

1 posted on 08/05/2011 12:16:02 PM PDT by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706

Think of the children and the elderly /sarc


2 posted on 08/05/2011 12:17:42 PM PDT by NOVACPA
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To: cotton1706

Somehow I think the extension will pass quickly. I don’t think the GOP is going to fight it, much.


3 posted on 08/05/2011 12:19:29 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: cotton1706

Think of the children and the elderly /sarc


4 posted on 08/05/2011 12:20:47 PM PDT by NOVACPA
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To: cotton1706
Hey states? You want a highway? Collect your own 18.4¢ per gallon. There is nothing sacred about taxing the people to get the money, sending it to Washington, skim off some and then distribute it back to the states based on political pull. Just tell the states that they are responsible from now on.
5 posted on 08/05/2011 12:26:48 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (The Repubs and Dems are arguing whether to pour 9 or 10 buckets of gasoline on a burning house.)
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To: cotton1706
Great...another tax break for corporate jet owners.


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6 posted on 08/05/2011 12:30:26 PM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: KarlInOhio

Thing is, the states don’t get back the 18.4¢/gallon they send in—DC is nothing more than a huge money-laundering operation.


7 posted on 08/05/2011 12:35:24 PM PDT by Arm_Bears (I'll have what the gentleman on the floor is drinking.)
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To: cotton1706
Gas Tax to expire Sept 30! Congress: Don't you dare extend it!

HERE! HERE!


8 posted on 08/05/2011 12:48:32 PM PDT by Arcy
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To: KarlInOhio

Agreed. This is perfect opportunity to put road building back onto the states.


9 posted on 08/05/2011 12:49:11 PM PDT by rjeffries
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To: KarlInOhio

I see you’re in Ohio.

Down here in NC it might be safer to send the gas Tax through washington.

Around here it’s open season on the money collected from the state gas tax. And then the politicians cry for more money because the highway fund is running low.


10 posted on 08/05/2011 12:57:29 PM PDT by PeteB570
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To: cotton1706

Excise taxes are regressive taxes, and excise taxes on gasoline are the most regressive of all, because gasoline, unlike alcohol and tobacco, is a necessity for most people rather than a luxury.

I oppose all federal excise tax, but the gas tax moreso.


11 posted on 08/05/2011 1:01:41 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Arm_Bears

“Thing is, the states don’t get back the 18.4¢/gallon they send in”

Some states are big winners, some are big losers. Even the losers are happy to get something back. It smacks of a protection racket.


12 posted on 08/05/2011 1:04:23 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: cotton1706

LOL 18.5 cents per gallon, LOL ,try 40 cents per litre LOL hey what am I laughing at


13 posted on 08/05/2011 1:07:59 PM PDT by molson209
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To: cotton1706

Just imagine having to pay $9 for 4 liters of gas (4 liters = 1.056688204 Gallons), like I did today X(

I DO understand the difference though... being all fuel is imported here.. but is IS ridiculous in any case :/


14 posted on 08/05/2011 1:13:47 PM PDT by Bikkuri
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To: Gabz
Excise taxes are regressive taxes, and excise taxes on gasoline are the most regressive of all, because gasoline, unlike alcohol and tobacco, is a necessity for most people rather than a luxury.

I, on the other hand, like the gas tax better than just about any other tax. It is the closest tax to a user fee for delivery of government services there is. Use it a lot, pay a lot. Use it little, pay a little. Use it indirectly (so you stay at home but have UPS dropping by every day), those that use the road for your benefit will pay and pass on the bill. No BS about social justice or the rich should be paying more because they have fancy new cars while you have a 1990 Oldsmobile.

I would rather have it collected at the state level than laundered through Washington. If Massachusetts thinks the Big Dig will improve Boston traffic, they can pay for it without Hawaii's help.

15 posted on 08/05/2011 1:15:15 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (The Repubs and Dems are arguing whether to pour 9 or 10 buckets of gasoline on a burning house.)
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To: KarlInOhio

I was talking about the federal tax, not the state tax, even though those too are regressive.

I wouldn’t object so much to the state gas taxes IF they were used solely for the purpose of road building and maintenance, my objection is when they are used for everything but the intended purpose of them.

The federal government shouldn’t be collecting excise taxes of any kind.


16 posted on 08/05/2011 1:26:58 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: cotton1706

I was discussing with my girlfriend how this could backfire on us and usher in a BO 2nd term... If the gas tax is repealed, the economy will surely rebound because everybody is spending money on transportation again and BO will then claim that lifting the debt ceiling is what caused the economy to grow...


17 posted on 08/05/2011 1:32:03 PM PDT by NorthStarStateConservative (In 2008, the USA became the UNN: The United States of Nauru)
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To: cotton1706; All

Mark Twain put it best:

“The Republic is safe, as long as Congress is NOT in session”.

So, basically, I hope the House takes the month of September off. Come back in October.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/04/gasoline-tax-profits/

http://www.allamericanblogger.com/15382/chart-shows-exxon-profits-per-gallon-of-gas-vs-taxes-collected-per-gallon/

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_money_does_the_US_government_make_in_taxes_per_gallon_of_gas


18 posted on 08/05/2011 1:35:25 PM PDT by Ro_Thunder (I sure hope there is a New Morning in America soon. All this hope and change is leaving me depressed)
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To: Gabz
The federal government shouldn’t be collecting excise taxes of any kind.

Go re-read your Constitution and get back to me.

19 posted on 08/05/2011 1:36:07 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lurker

I know what you are saying and I am not disagreeing but for crying out loud, there has got to be a limit somewhere on what kinds of taxes they are collecting, shouldn’t there?


20 posted on 08/05/2011 1:43:05 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Gabz
there has got to be a limit somewhere on what kinds of taxes they are collecting, shouldn’t there?

Absolutely. And the way to do it is to repeal the 16th Amendment and force the Government to live on the income it was designed for. That's excise taxes and nothing more.

21 posted on 08/05/2011 2:00:11 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: cotton1706

but now the unelected supercongress could bring it back.

do you even have to be a sitting elected congressmember to be on the supercongress?

they gave obama membership on the supercongress...


22 posted on 08/05/2011 2:05:57 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Lurker

I could live with that, no problem. However, living on excise taxes alone brings with it another set of problems in determining what products/services are to be taxed.

At the state level government looks to increasing taxes on alcohol and tobacco to cover budget shortfalls, but there is a limit to what people are going to tolerate and those type taxes become unreliable. Just look at the expense many states have gone through seeking customer lists from online tobacco sellers in an effort to collect the excise taxes not paid by residents. Oh, and the majority of those retailers are no longer in business.

People will just stop using the products or find other ways around paying the taxes. There is a huge black market in cigarettes. I see evidence of it every day because I live just 8 miles from the MD/VA line. Out of state plates far out number VA plates at any place that sells cigarettes and other tobacco products, and not just during tourist season (like now) it’s all year round.

But gutting back to the feds - repealing the 16th amendment is going to be one tough nut to crack, but getting the federal government out of things it doesn’t belong in would be the fist step. In February of 09 Obummer increased the federal cigarette tax from 39cents to $1 and on loose tobacco from $1.08 to $25 a pound to pay for ScHIP, so smokers are paying for health insurance for the kids of the same people who demonize smokers as second class citizens.


23 posted on 08/05/2011 2:52:19 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Arm_Bears

No, they won’t. They will be lucky to get a quarter of what they collect.


24 posted on 08/05/2011 3:23:30 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: KarlInOhio
It is the closest tax to a user fee for delivery of government services there is.

Yes; it was...until it started to be used for bike path boondoggles;
"high speed transit" scams;
"greenway initiatives";
"wildlife over/underpasses";
"Scenic Byway" route designations;
and my favorite, "President Obama Paid For This Unstarted Shovel Ready Stimulus Project With Your Gas Tax Dollars" signs....

25 posted on 08/05/2011 5:41:02 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch ("Public service" does NOT mean servicing the people, like a bull among heifers.)
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To: cotton1706

BTTT


26 posted on 08/05/2011 6:15:22 PM PDT by hattend (As always... FUJM.)
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