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U.S. Students Have Horrible History Test Scores (And What Should Be Done About It!)
The Band Of Patriots ^ | 8/8/11 | Bryan Thomas

Posted on 08/09/2011 4:45:04 PM PDT by bthockey

For those of your who haven't found out yet, American students don't know basic history of their own country. I can't say I find this surprising because no one in my school is really that excited about history, let alone American history. I think this is a major problem with our schools and one that we must fix!

The National Assessment of Educational Progress tests students every couple years to see if our education system is headed in the right direction. If we dive into the stats, it's clear to see that students have horrendous history test scores. Only 12 percent of high school seniors scored a "proficient" score on the test, which is down from 20 percent of 4th graders and 17 percent of 8th graders! Clearly our students aren't learning enough about history, especially at the high school level.

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1 posted on 08/09/2011 4:45:13 PM PDT by bthockey
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To: bthockey
History is so broad. If you need to know something, you look it up. If you need to know where a country is, you look it up.

School is a tool...to teach you how to find info. We apply what we need or want to apply....be it for a career or for pleasure.

2 posted on 08/09/2011 4:48:04 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: bthockey

How about we stop rewriting history to make it PC and stick to the facts? Then we hold the students to a standard and actually teach them something.


3 posted on 08/09/2011 4:50:47 PM PDT by rfreedom4u (Muslims do not immigrate; they colonize.)
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To: bthockey
What they are taught:

The History of Socialism in America

Karl Marx The Life and Times

Oppression of Minority's in the United States

The Liberation of Gays, Lesbians and The Transgendered

The Constitution of the United and How to Rewrite it

World Wars I and II and How The US Capitalist Started it.
4 posted on 08/09/2011 4:53:49 PM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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To: bthockey

Doom them to repeat it then.


5 posted on 08/09/2011 4:55:06 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Sacajaweau
History is so broad. If you need to know something, you look it up. If you need to know where a country is, you look it up.

You could say something similar to that about any field, even medicine or engineering, both of which require a solid foundation of knowledge in many areas to build upon. Once out of school details can be looked up and memories refreshed, but the underlying core of knowledge needs to be there as one gains wisdom

I heard great phrase recently about knowledge and wisdom:

Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, but wisdom is knowing not to put one in a fruit salad.

6 posted on 08/09/2011 4:56:40 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (When you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.)
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To: Sacajaweau

I had a History class everyday, starting in the third grade. The only thing that bugged me was having to memorize dates. 1066, Battle of Hastings, was always a test question. I never felt that the exact dating was a worthwhile question. More important was the “why” question.


7 posted on 08/09/2011 4:57:30 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: bthockey
"And What Should Be Done About It!"

Get rid of the Department of Education, Get rid of the Teacher's Unions, hire real teachers(as opposed to Democratic operatives), and provide the kids with non politically correct history books. That's it problem solved. Just like the vast majority of the problems facing this nation the solutions are extremely simple common sense ones. Of course that kind of solution will never see the light of day.

I'm sure we'll have to have a Congressional investigation into this, then of course much more money will be required, and of course some sort of super committee (sound familiar?) will be needed.

8 posted on 08/09/2011 4:57:30 PM PDT by Graneros ("It is no exaggeration to say that the undecided could go one way or another.")
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To: bthockey

How about using history books by such excellent authors as David McCullough in the classroom instead of the typical socialist textbooks used.


9 posted on 08/09/2011 4:57:35 PM PDT by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: bthockey

>>For those of your who haven’t found out yet, American students don’t know basic history of their own country.<<

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It is not their fault.

American students are now indoctrinated (brainwashed) by their “teachers” in useless bilge such as social justice, latino studies, self awareness, the blessing of diversity, etc.

You think there is time to teach anything else?

Besides, even if you were to graduate from university with a science or engineering degree you may have to travel to China to get a job.

You think I’m kidding? Think again.


10 posted on 08/09/2011 4:58:22 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: bthockey
First thing let's do is fire all the teachers.

ML/NJ

11 posted on 08/09/2011 5:00:07 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: bthockey
U.S. Students Have Horrible History Test Scores (And What Should Be Done About It!)

What should be done about it??? What should be done about it is what I've been telling you people for 15 years to do about it; pull your kids out of Government run schools and either homeschool them or send them to private school.

Please, no excuses. I've heard 'em all and I don't want to hijack this thread.

12 posted on 08/09/2011 5:00:16 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: bthockey
Teach more gay history!

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13 posted on 08/09/2011 5:01:01 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: bthockey

Teach the history of failed Keynesian economic policies of the 1930’s and compare to today’s current events.


14 posted on 08/09/2011 5:04:19 PM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: bthockey

No time to teach American history.
Gots to push the homosexual agenda, the unionist agenda, the socialist mantra. Have to push anti Christian values, and push for world equality, or some such crap.
No time to teach American history.


15 posted on 08/09/2011 5:04:30 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Don't trust the F.B.I. the C.I.A. and specially the B.A.T.F.)
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To: Steely Tom

Don’t forget the Present told us that Muslims helped found the nation.


16 posted on 08/09/2011 5:09:06 PM PDT by taterjay
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To: bthockey

Do away with the socialized school system. The market will fix the schools.


17 posted on 08/09/2011 5:12:18 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

That is what Dewey did—made history irrelevant—meaningless.

To understand why events occurred and the details of the events are tremendously interesting and pertinent to oneself. Kids should love history if it is made relevant—where they learn life lessons from it....which they don’t because of Marxist revisionism. They want all ideas of Honor, Character, Virtue destroyed—so no classics—no study of the heroes of our nation and the genius of the Federalist papers.

Marxist destroy the heroes of Capitalist cultures—and revise the history so they are reviled and forgotten. So their courage, duty and wisdom isn’t copied in the future. Inspiration is needed to maintain a culture—heros are always needed which includes pride.

Teachers are screened by Bill Ayer types also—as is their thinking which is corrected along with their philosophy. Marxism kills truth and interest in history. They want to redesign people so no memory of history is allowed—no attachment to traditions.

Like Churchill said of WWI. There were so many lessons to be learned—but they weren’t, and because of that failure to learn from history we had WWII—an unnecessary war. Socialism/communism philosophy was already rampant in England by the end of WWI.


18 posted on 08/09/2011 5:12:48 PM PDT by savagesusie (Virtue is a habit of the mind, consistent with nature and moderation and reason. Cicero)
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To: bthockey

The U.S. is not the only one.

Around 15 years ago, I had an English kid on my staff. He was likeable and bright but knew nothing about his own country.

I though he would be a good one to discuss British history with until I discovered I knew quite a bit more about it than he did. He did know who Churchill was but that was about it.


19 posted on 08/09/2011 5:17:12 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: yarddog
Teach the history of failed Keynesian economic policies of the 1930’s and compare to today’s current events.

Two UCLA economists say they have figured out why the Great Depression dragged on for almost 15 years, and they blame a suspect previously thought to be beyond reproach: President Franklin D. Roosevelt.

FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate

20 posted on 08/09/2011 5:25:21 PM PDT by scooby321
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To: Texas Eagle

It’s tough to get people to give up having their lifestyles subsidized by others. Socialized schooling is as big an entitlement as Social Security and bigger than Medicare but few talk about cutting it.


21 posted on 08/09/2011 5:28:50 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: bthockey

Here is what my generation was required to complete in History: 4th grade, California History; 5th Grade American History; 6th grade, current American History; 9th Grade, Latin American History; 11th grade, 1 year American history and 1 year American Literature; 12th Grade 1 semester American Government and 1 semester California Government. The University Syatem 1 Semester California Government; 1 year American History to graduate.(American Government was an elective).


22 posted on 08/09/2011 5:50:58 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: bthockey

Here is what my generation was required to complete in History: 4th grade, California History; 5th Grade American History; 6th grade, current American History; 9th Grade, Latin American History; 11th grade, 1 year American history and 1 year American Literature; 12th Grade 1 semester American Government and 1 semester California Government. The University System 1 Semester California Government; 1 year American History to graduate.(American Government was an elective).


23 posted on 08/09/2011 5:52:50 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

“I never felt that the exact dating was a worthwhile question. More important was the “why” question.”

Sometimes the date explains the “why”; Russia’s surrender to the Central Powers in 1917 led the US to get into the war the same year (after our president campaigned on the slogan “He kept us out of war” in 1916). The Battle of Hastings occurred while Viking influence was waning; before battling William, Harry had to double-time south to meet him after defeating a Viking army at Stamford Bridge.


24 posted on 08/09/2011 5:55:38 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: bthockey
Appleseed Project cures historical ignorance
25 posted on 08/09/2011 6:04:23 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: bthockey

http://nationsreportcard.gov/testyourself.asp

The NAEP “Test Yourself”


26 posted on 08/09/2011 6:45:35 PM PDT by Lady Lucky
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To: Lady Lucky

Well I can at least beat a 12th grader in Geography and History. Not so sure in some other areas.

Several of the questions actually required some thinking and although I got them all right, there were some I wasn’t certain of.


27 posted on 08/09/2011 8:04:31 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: 353FMG
Besides, even if you were to graduate from university with a science or engineering degree you may have to travel to China to get a job.

Don't worry, they're coming here.

28 posted on 08/09/2011 8:08:41 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: kearnyirish2
Harold Godwinson beat Harald Hardrada of Norway at Stamford Bridge because the Vikings, being from Norway, didn't bring any guns.

Nicholas II abdicated in March 1917, shortly before Wilson asked Congress for a declaration of war against Germany, but the Russians stayed in the war until after the Bolshevik takeover in November 1917. Lenin's treaty with Germany was in the spring of 1918.

29 posted on 08/09/2011 8:26:36 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra; kearnyirish2
I had a History class everyday, starting in the third grade. The only thing that bugged me was having to memorize dates. 1066, Battle of Hastings, was always a test question. I never felt that the exact dating was a worthwhile question. More important was the “why” question.

E. D. Hirsch, author of the influential book Cultural Literacy--What Every American Needs to Know (Boston: Houghton, 1987) once wrote that there are certain dates that every culturally literate American should know--1066, 1492, 1776, and 1939-1945.

1066--the Sunset Crater volcano erupted, causing chaos on Arizona's Coconino Plateau

1492--Granada, the last Muslim kingdom in Spain, fell to the Christians

1776--Two important books were published: An Inquiry Into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith (London: Cannan, 1776) and the first volume of Edward Gibbon's The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire (London: Strahan, 1776)

1939-1945--The USC Trojans won a national championship and four Rose Bowl games

30 posted on 08/09/2011 8:47:37 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
Here is what my generation was required to complete in History: 4th grade, California History; 5th Grade American History; 6th grade, current American History; 9th Grade, Latin American History; 11th grade, 1 year American history and 1 year American Literature; 12th Grade 1 semester American Government and 1 semester California Government. The University System 1 Semester California Government; 1 year American History to graduate.(American Government was an elective).

California history is still taught in the fourth grade, and American history in the fifth grade.

Every fourth grader in California is supposed to research one of the mission churches established by the Spaniards in the eighteenth and early nineteenth century. Nowadays, the students usually build a model of the mission. If you meet a native Californian, ask him what he did for his fourth grade mission project or report. Mine was on Mission Nuestra Señora de la Soledad in Monterey County.

31 posted on 08/09/2011 9:00:51 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: bthockey

“For those of your...”

I guess proofreading ain’t so hot either.


32 posted on 08/09/2011 9:03:20 PM PDT by Darth Reardon (No offense to drunken sailors)
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To: Verginius Rufus

The Russians for all intents & purposes stopped fighting when the Tsar’s government fell; troops left the front lines, and there was no cohesive plan any more for continuing the war. Wilson knew the Allies were doomed, and propped them up. Between the effectiveness of the U-boat campaign, and the fact that a million German troops from the eastern front could now be brought west, there was no doubt that the Central Powers would win.


33 posted on 08/10/2011 1:48:37 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: bthockey

As a university professor that teaches History, from my perspective in having taught freshmen classes in History, that the K12 system is totally fraked and that the reason the vast majority of students fail at history is because they are simply not taught alot of history during their high school stint. I have given in-class tests, usually during orientation week - the first week of the class/course, using high school History tests and they have failed them. =.=


34 posted on 08/10/2011 3:16:18 AM PDT by cranked
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To: Texas Eagle

To be sure, many private schools teach the same nonsense; parochial schools are usually good bang for the buck with a more-conservative curriculum, discipline, and spiritual support.


35 posted on 08/10/2011 6:01:27 AM PDT by bt_dooftlook (Democrats - the party of Amnesty, Abortion, and Adolescence)
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To: cranked

“arer not taught” or “did not learn”? I would argue that the onus is on the student to grasp the material and extend it past the minimum curricula presented, through outside reading (books, magazines, newspapers). It is no skin off the teacher’s nose - they will teach a new class the following year - but the student who fails to learn will bear the penalty (often in blissful ignorance) for the rest of his life.


36 posted on 08/10/2011 6:07:30 AM PDT by bt_dooftlook (Democrats - the party of Amnesty, Abortion, and Adolescence)
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To: cranked
As a university professor that teaches History, from my perspective in having taught freshmen classes in History, that the K12 system is totally fraked and that the reason the vast majority of students fail at history is because they are simply not taught alot of history during their high school stint. I have given in-class tests, usually during orientation week - the first week of the class/course, using high school History tests and they have failed them.

In my local high school district, sophomores learn world history and seniors American history. However, the classes are mostly taught by PE teachers and athletic coaches.

37 posted on 08/10/2011 9:58:28 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: bthockey
For those of your who haven't found out yet, American students don't know basic history of their own country.

Ummm, kids can't do math either ... many can't read. But teachers push 'earth day' and gay rights day and Jefferson fathered a child with a slave. We hire angry union workers to teach our kids... and wonder why they can't read.

38 posted on 08/10/2011 10:10:49 AM PDT by GOPJ (The end of our great nation - caused by 'give it all away' dems. May dems reap what they sown...)
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