Skip to comments.Person in HawaII : "Obama flew with parents from Kenya to Hawaii at 5 months old"
Posted on 08/10/2011 2:34:33 AM PDT by RobinMasters
Person in Hawaii claims he obtained PAN AM flight logs that show Obama flew with parents from Kenya to Hawaii at 5 months old.
We don't yet know the validity of the person's claim but we have contacted the person for more details which are below.
Initial comment from "miller4000" at Hawaii's KHON2 TV :
Initial comment from "miller4000" at Hawaii's KHON2 TV: "I have a copy of the birth certificate. I will post this soon and then corroborating evidence barrack actually flew into Hawaii at 5 months of age with his parents. You see I figured out how to prove this because I obtained logs of flights from what was. PAN AM and there were only two airlines flying into Hawaii at that time. It was fairly easily once I found the archived records. This cover up involves major players in Hawaii and in the federal government. Believe or don't believe me I don't care. Obama was born in Kenya to father who was a communist agent trained in Moscow!"
A couple of excerpts from our initial email exchange:
Could you please elaborate more on what you have discovered and when it will be released?
"........ Pan Am kept flight logs and in the 5 To 10 months that pretty much were a window for his birth only a certain number of flights from Asia were recorded and passenger manifests will show people who arrived foreign passports and a black man and white woman. ........"
Were you able to obtain the actual flight logs?
(Excerpt) Read more at obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com ...
Line 23 , oh yeah baby!
Birthers know what I mean about Line 23 on the document that says Obama was registered by grandparents.
I have evidence worth millions of dollars but I will be posting it free on the internet soon!
I believe Omoslem is a complete fraud, and a Marxist. Also, he’s probably used 10 social security numbers.
However, I don’t believe some joker has flight logs from 50 years ago (!) that prove Omoslem flew here after being born in Kenya.
Especially the records of a routine and uneventful flight like that.
BOAC could have flown them from Nairobi Kenya to Bombay India. Then PAN AM flights to Bangkok Thailand, then Tokyo Japan then to Hawaii. Obozo and the wookie are going down!
I believe its entirely possible that someone who has access to long lost records which were filed away in some storage room many years ago has decided to use this right now.
And that is the most glaring problem most people have with such events out of the past, that records were written or typed, copies were made, copies of copies were made and filed, filed in storage rooms, filed on microfiche.
There was no internet, no ISP, not electronic record keeping.
And then you have people who for some reason personally collect old records and files.
Not sure I should even ping this one.
Another bogus report dropped onto the conspiracy theories like the bogus UFO sighting put out by the government to have the general public discount all the reports as unreliable.
Person in Hawaii claims...
Hell of a source. They got my backing.
If I had a flight log with Ubama's name in it from a few months after his birth... it would be on the internet 30 nanoseconds after I found this info!
It’s either a hoax or someone on the Left.
You should at least try to get some carbon offsets for it.
You should at least try to sell it on eBay first.
I had information and kept it OFF the internet.
There is a time and a place for everything.
In the future there will be a strong demand for documentation for historians to write in the history books, the real facts, not something that has been whitewashed, twisted, modified or forged.
Chief Editor Korir must be involved in some way.
I wonder who you think might pay "millions of dollars" for evidence that Obama was born outside the USA except for people who wish to suppress it. If I had any such evidence, it would already have been posted to FreeRepublic just as my own evidence that the April 27th BC was fraudulent was posted here when I discovered it. (Thread #1 Thread #2)
This one's from 59 years ago.
Ann and her newborn son flew from Nairobi to London, via BOAC Flight BA162 and then took the non-stop BOAC flight from London to Vancouver, Canada. She then traveled the 110 miles or so, across the border, to Seattle in time to start Fall Semester, night-school extension classes at the University of Washington.
The trip would be challenging for a new mother, but she was young, healthy, intelligent, and capable. BOAC was very accomodating to mothers with young children back in the 1960s. No real problem!
ping for later
Would this suggest that Obama was born in March 1961 rather than August??
You asked: “Would this suggest that Obama was born in March 1961 rather than August??”
Find or google Obama’s speech to the Organization of American States (OAS) from a few years ago when he stated that he hoped “that Castro would hold the The Bay of Pigs Invasion against him because he was only three months old when it occurred.”
The Bay of Pigs occurred in early April 1961. Therefore, minus three months would put Obama’s birth in early January 1961.
Just a thought.
Sorry, that should be that “Castro WOULD NOT hold it against him...”
Would this suggest that Obama was born in March 1961 rather than August??
“Questions raised over Obama birth date
Was claim he was 3 months old during ‘Bay of Pigs’ a slip?”
It actually was in response to a comment by Daniel Ortega. Here’s the link:
I have to admit that I find this story a little too astonishing to be credible without more evidence.
Don’t forget his claim regarding Selma. And the several times he has forgot when his birthday was himself. At this point I do not believe any one really knows when he was born. I am guessing we know where, and it isn’t Hawaii.
No matter how old he was when they (maybe) registered his birth in Hawaii, did not matter, it was just a sworn statement, sworn out by a known family of liars.
I want to know what that scar is too. How did that never become an issue during his oh so stringent vetting process? That scar is scary!
“Obama flew with parents from Kenya to Hawaii at 5 months old”
Funny there is no specific date - was it supposed to be Jan 1962?
If so, then both Obama SR’s INS records and Ann Dunham’s UW transcript contradict MILLER4000’s statement.
You’re forgetting the interview with Ann’s friend who told of changing the 3 wk old baby’s diaper when Ann visited her in Washington state late August, 1961.
My thought also
“Funny there is no specific date - was it supposed to be Jan 1962?
If so, then both Obama SRs INS records and Ann Dunhams UW transcript contradict MILLER4000s statement.”
The state department has not released any entry/exit records for SAD or Sr. - I think they said that either they don’t keep them, of for some reason they didn’t fall under the FOIA request. But nothing that Miller4000 said contradicts and records released by State or INS.
Actually, it suggests that Obama was actually born sometime around March 1961.
This seems to fall in line with a number of facts. First, a March 61 DOB would suggest that SAD became pregnant around July of 1960. Where was SAD at this time? according to Obama, she spent the summer as an Au Pair in Chicago.
So, a 17 year old, female, ‘fellow traveler’ (ie. Marxist), spends the summer in Chicago by herself - is it that far of a stretch to believe that she came back pregnant?
Could that be the reason the family suddenly moved from Seattle, where Madelyn gave up a good job as a bank manager, to become a teller in Hawaii?
I don’t think I believe Miller4000’s story, but them main reason I don’t believe it, is that he said Sr. was with them on the plane. I don’t buy that. SAD was not seen from Feb 61 to Aug 61, but I’m pretty sure that Sr was at UofH that entire time.
one of many maybe is this,Maybe bo sr wasn’t the black man on the plane?
one of many maybe is this,Maybe bo sr wasn’t the black man on the plane?
“according to Obama, she spent the summer as an Au Pair in Chicago.”
Ann Dunham was born November 1942, so according to ‘Dreams’ which states:
I was only sixteen then, she told us as we entered the elevator. Id just been accepted to the University of Chicago- Gramps hadnt told me yet that he wouldnt let me go-and I was there for the summer, working as an au pair.”
Ann would have been in Chicago the summer of 1959, not 1960.
Obama Sr’s INS documents imply that once he arrived in Hawaii in 1959, he didn’t leave Hawaii until 1962 when he left for Harvard. One reason being that couldn’t afford to fly.
Obama’s INS documents posted here:
Who is Obama Sr? We do not know that answer as no birth certificate has been shown.
Where did you obtain the Passenger Manifest for TWA that you displayed in your post?
“Who is Obama Sr?”
Do you mean “Who is Barry’s father”? I am confident that Barry’s father is Frank Marshall Davis.
“We do not know that answer as no birth certificate has been shown.”
I’m sure the birth certificate has long been incinerated and its ashes thrown into the Pacific along with the ashes of Stan & Ann Dunham.
I assume you are referring to the events covered in the WND article linked below, in which Anns high school friend, Susan Blake, in an interview, tells how she showed Dunham, an evidently inexperienced mother, how to change the baby's diaper.
I dont see anything in the article that conflicts with what I am stating. In mid to late August 1961, Ann, WAS a relatively inexperienced mother, and probably would have appreciated any tips on how to best accomplish the distasteful job of diaper changing, even for a sweet and perfect little tike, and future POTUS, like BHO-II.
Why would SAD apply to the University of Chicago from Hawaii and/or Mercer Island? Wasn’t Frank Marshall Davis native to Chicago? Wasn’t Saul Alinsky then in his prime at UC? Was Malcolm Little by then Malcolm X? Was he there that summer?
Yep, probably so.
Would be easy if we had Stanley Ann Dunham’s passport records wouldn’t it? Naw.. too hard.
Upon release of a FOIA request on Obama’s mother’s passport records to determine her whereabouts Aug, 1961 and thus where Barry was born, the U.S. State Dept cover letter states the pre-1965 material “could not be located” and many passports/non vital records “were destroyed in 1980’s”.
Funny, the U.S. State Dept website states differently:
Passport Records for Issuances 1925 Present
Requesting Your Own Record
Passport Services maintains United States passport records for passports issued from 1925 to the present. These records normally consist of applications for United States passports and supporting evidence of United States citizenship, and are protected by the Privacy Act of 1974, (5 USC 552(a)). Passport records do not include evidence of travel such as entrance/exit stamps, visas, residence permits, etc., since this information is entered into the passport book after it is issued.
US State Dept Records retention Dec 2008
on page 5:
a. How long is information retained?
The established retention period for electronic records in PRISM is presently 100 years in accordance with published record schedules of the Department of State and as approved by the National Archives and Records Administration.
Move along, nothing to see here /sarcasm
Toss this out as bogus. True, PanAm serviced Honolulu but flights to Kenya were BOAC.
Sorry, I must have misunderstood your post. I thought you were commenting on the article that suggested someone had proof of a flight to Hawaii when baby Obama was 5 months old.
“Why would SAD apply to the University of Chicago from Hawaii and/or Mercer Island?”
I’m not sure - it is definitely an odd choice for SAD to choose Chicago unless she had family ties there.
“Wasnt Frank Marshall Davis native to Chicago? “
I believe FMD was born south of Wichita in Arkansas, City, Ks (close to where Madeline Payne was born), and moved to Chicago in 1935, before moving to Hawaii in 1948.
“Wasnt Saul Alinsky then in his prime at UC?”
I’m not sure why that would matter, except that if he lived in Chicago the same time as FMD, then they would have certainly known each other.
“Was Malcolm Little by then Malcolm X? Was he there that summer?”
It looks like Malcolm X lived in either New York or Michigan during his life and stayed faithful to Betty Sanders. Is there evidence that Malcom X was in Chicago in 1959? If not, then Malcolm X could just about be eliminated as Barry’s father. Neil Abercrombie also stated that Ann was no “beach bunny”, so the odds that she would have hooked up with a married Malcolm X are extremely high.
SAD graduated from Mercer Island High School in 1960. And she spent the summer of 1960 in Chicago, working as an Au Pair. I don’t know why you would say that she was inChicago in 1959, she was still in high school then.
I’m thinking that you are trying to intentionally obfuscate the facts. The number one fact is that IF Obama was born in the spring of 1961, it means that Obama was concieved while SAD was in Chicago. And in that case, it opens up a whole range of options on who Obama’s father is.
“I dont know why you would say that she was in Chicago in 1959”
Ann Dunham was born November 1942 and Dreams states:
I was only SIXTEEN then, she told us as we entered the elevator. Id just been accepted to the University of Chicago - Gramps hadnt told me yet that he wouldnt let me go-and I was there for the SUMMER, working as an AU PAIR. (’Dreams from MY Father’ CH 6)
From this, how do you get that Ann was in Chicago in the summer of 1960 and not 1959?
“Im thinking that you are trying to intentionally obfuscate the facts.”
You are somewhat correct, by quoting from the fiction book ‘Dreams from My Father” I have no choice but to obfuscate the facts.
In my case it is UNintentional, but with ‘Dreams’ it is an INTENTIONAL obfuscation of the facts.
Looking at the ‘Dreams’ excerpt again, the summer of 1960 for Ann’s visit to Chicago could be inferred, if it assumed that either 1) the age of SIXTEEN for Ann Dunham is just another of the many ‘Dreams’ bloopers, or 2) Ann Dunham was accepted to UC before the start of her senior year.
But an even closer look at the ‘Dreams” excerpt, reveals it is actually a nonsensical statement:
I was only sixteen then, she told us as we entered the elevator. Id just been accepted to the University of Chicago- Gramps hadnt told me yet that he wouldnt let me go-and I was there for the summer, working as an au pair.
I still think Obama does not look like his Legal Father /Obama Sr
He looks like Malcom-X .(Malcolm-X daughter Qubilah Shabazz & Obama
look a lot alike..Also Malia looks like Shabazz) either Stanley Ann was
impregnated by Malcom-X or she adopted
Malcom-X child ..Obama Sr may have just been a patsy . Remember
the Dunhams were active members of CPUSA .. Stanley Armour Dunham was photographed with Obama Sr arriving in Hawaii before Stanley Ann met him at College.
In 1960 at the Theresa Hotel completely unknown Kenyan student gain elbow-rubbing proximity to the then-notorious Malcolm X.
Also at the Theresa Hotel was the poet and playwright Langston Hughes, a close friend of Frank Marshall Davis, as well as Charles Rangel who was working his way through law school as a desk clerk.
It must also be mentioned that during the General Assembly meeting in September 1960, Nikita Khruschev traveled from midtown Manhattan up to Harlem to the Theresa Hotel to meet with Fidel Castro.
What were Malcolm X, Fidel Castro, and Nikita Khrushchev talking to each other about? And where does Barack Obama (Sr.) fit in?
Was he being recruited and groomed to be the father or father in name only of Barack Obama II, in furtherance of a grand conspiracy to overthrow the U.S. government?
1959, Khrushchev expanded on his previous statement: We cannot expect the Americans to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism.
Was this odd but powerful assemblage at the Theresa Hotel planning to bury the United States by orchestrating yet an even more spectacular coup détat this time of America itself?
Not by a bloody revolution of the Castro variety, but rather by stealth an operation carried out by leftist moles and sympathizers with the goal of overthrowing and taking the reins of the United States government?
Is there any connection between Malcolm X and Obama Sr.? In 1959 Malcolm X traveled to the Middle East and Africa , including Kenya, and is reported to have met with Jomo Kenyatta, future Prime Minister and later President of Kenya, as well as with a prominent Kenyan politician named Tom Mboya (who Obama Sr. called his godfather). Mboya was a close friend of Barack Obama Sr.s family, so its no mystery that Barack Obama Sr. was selected to give his name to Malcolm Xs son.
We have no idea if Stanley Ann gave birth to Barack Obama or was just the woman chosen to raise him by the grand conspirators who plotted his rise to power from as far back as the 1950s, before his birth!
This may seem far fetched but; everything about Obama is far fetched because we know nothing about him.
Also: Google The First time I heard of Barrack by Tom Fife or