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Air Force Staff Sergeant Refusing Orders Until Obama's Eligibility Dealt With
Birther Report ^ | Aug.13,2011

Posted on 08/14/2011 1:58:41 PM PDT by charlene4

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To: El Sordo; All

Not only the current administration, but our congress, as well!

Passing unconstitutional legislation (HealthCare bill, and others), refusing to fulfill the basic requirements of the Constitution (protect our borders, etc)

How can we expect our military to fulfill their oaths when our Administration/Judicial/Congress pay no heed to theirs?

For that matter, hasn’t a contract with us, the citizens, who are expected to obey, been broken?

Just wondering, in my dotage.


51 posted on 08/14/2011 3:29:25 PM PDT by jacquej
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Well, send his @ss to Leavenworth.

Yeah, that "Emperor's New Clothes story needs to be re-written. Not only does everyone refuse to notice the Emperor is Naked, they beat the child for his temerity in pointing out the obvious. Of course, the story is just a fairytale, so it is SUPPOSED to have a happy ending.

52 posted on 08/14/2011 3:34:12 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Obama was always illegitimate. In both senses of the term.)
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To: spookie

I took that very oath, myself. USAF, too.

Further, I’m one of those who deny any ‘expiration date’ for the oath.

That said, I see this kind of narcissistic ‘attention whoring’ behavior as being ABSOLUTELY contrary to The Oath.

As pointed out here and on MANY other threads, the Oath is to the Constitution and has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the incumbent Executive. Unlike other nations throughout history, the US Military owes ALL allegiance to the Constitution, NOT the Government or any Individual, Faction or Party. We have no tolerance for these kinds of slackers or for James Mattoon Scott or any other disloyalists.

If Moran truly values and honors his Oath, he would not act in such a silly, pointless and ultimate useless manner, throwing it away in such a meaningless gesture.

This is NOT an interesting political or philosophical gesture. It is disloyalty, oath breaking and lawlessness. Pure and simple.

One Man’s Opinion

21stCenturion


53 posted on 08/14/2011 3:36:25 PM PDT by 21stCenturion ("It's the Judges, Stupid !")
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To: El Sordo
Too true, too true.
54 posted on 08/14/2011 3:37:25 PM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: Mr Rogers
It is not the job of NCOs to determine who is eligible to be President. All 50 states accept him as such, the Congress accepts him as such (all 535 members - there were no objections made) and the US Supreme Court accepts him as such.

If someone has PROOF he was born in Kenya, it would be a whole different ballgame. Until then, the military needs to accept civilian rule - and all 3 branches of the government and all 50 states accept that Obama is President.

The burden of proof is on him. All the people you mention are OUR representatives. It is the Duty of Every American to defend our Constitutional requirements. That he was even allowed on the ballot is testimony to the incompetence of the State Election vetting process. They ALL FAILED.

55 posted on 08/14/2011 3:38:07 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Obama was always illegitimate. In both senses of the term.)
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To: AppyPappy

Sometimes it depends on the orders. In this case I believe he is wrong. But I was given orders once that would have gotten my ass and many others killed and I didn’t do it. Others did and five men were killed and many others wounded.

I was also ordered to shoot an unarmed civilian once and refused to do that, if I had I would have been guilty of war crimes.


57 posted on 08/14/2011 3:42:39 PM PDT by Americanexpat (Everytime I see that guy's face ot)
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To: Venturer; El Sordo; BuckeyeTexan; Mr Rogers

My friend, Sgt.-— My advice is to go back to duty and serve out the rest of your commitment.
///
good advice.

i don’t believe he is a legitimate POTUS.
(the coverup and lies from HDOH alone, the CT SSN, missing documents, etc., are not conspiracy theories.
if he’s legit, then why the lies, hiding, and coverup?).

but, the fact is, the enlisted oath is not the same as for officers.
(if the President personally gave a direct order, maybe.
but the enlisted swears to obey the oaths of officers.
and the Sgt’s officers ARE legitimate.)

So, if i remember correctly, then the Sgt is in the wrong,
despite good intentions.


58 posted on 08/14/2011 3:45:05 PM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: El Sordo
Or a sad example of the effects of Birther stupidity.

Yes, men breaking their careers on the rock of Barry's intransigence, while the rest of the military wonders about him, is everyone's fault but Barack. If he WERE legitimate, he would have erased everyone's doubts from the very beginning. That is what a leader would do. A Coward hides.

A real President would see it as their duty to prevent such dissent by being open with their proof.

59 posted on 08/14/2011 3:45:11 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Obama was always illegitimate. In both senses of the term.)
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To: Tex-Con-Man
Damn the charlatans who incite this type of behavior while comfortably remaining on the sidelines cheering them on.

Damn the @ssholes that keep demeaning the sacrifices of better men while pardoning every offense by the @sshole hiding his credentials. Would that a trickle would turn into a torrent.

60 posted on 08/14/2011 3:47:51 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Obama was always illegitimate. In both senses of the term.)
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To: Mr Rogers
“Yeah, and if millions did this the whole corrupt system would collapse!” < / sarcasm >

Silly sh*t, the System is going to collapse anyway.

61 posted on 08/14/2011 3:49:51 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Obama was always illegitimate. In both senses of the term.)
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To: Kleon

Why would you not call Pastor Manning?

It’s not like he went to prison three times for burglary.

Okay, Manning only went to prison twice for burglary.


62 posted on 08/14/2011 3:51:36 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: cherry
remember how during the Nam war, conscientious objectors who went to prison were glorified, as were those that "snuk" off to Canada..

Remember how wrong that was?

63 posted on 08/14/2011 3:53:31 PM PDT by TankerKC (I feel 271 degrees out of sync today, which isn't half bad.)
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To: 21stCenturion
If Moran truly values and honors his Oath, he would not act in such a silly, pointless and ultimate useless manner, throwing it away in such a meaningless gesture.

This is NOT an interesting political or philosophical gesture. It is disloyalty, oath breaking and lawlessness. Pure and simple.

He is defending the constitution from both a foreign and domestic enemy. You are advocating a halt to action against the enemy, and you accuse HIM of being disloyal? Have we gone to "Newspeak" already? You have it completely backwards. The entire Military should have risen en masse to demand proof when none was forthcoming.

64 posted on 08/14/2011 3:56:54 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Obama was always illegitimate. In both senses of the term.)
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To: charlene4

Another misguided fool.


65 posted on 08/14/2011 3:58:58 PM PDT by verity (The Obama Administration is a Criminal Enterprise.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

A real President would see it as their duty to prevent such dissent by being open with their proof.
///
absolutely. he’s a fraud, and a criminal.
the IMPOSSIBLE Connecticut SSN alone, proves that.

the CIA agents and other document experts who have sworn the LFBC is a forgery, without ANY expert swearing it is.

(most are obvious even to a non-expert:
words that don’t curve, on a curving background.
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=186343
signatures in different resolutions on the same document.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2720608/posts?page=23#23
and HAND DRAWN boxes that are identical down to the pixel?
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/05/irrefutable-proof-obamas-new-birth.html
security paper background tampered with.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2722377/posts?page=259#259
...and much more.


66 posted on 08/14/2011 4:00:40 PM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: DiogenesLamp

“It is the Duty of Every American to defend our Constitutional requirements. “

Fine! Start disobeying the tax laws, so YOU can be a soldier in the cause! And start thinking about how YOU will decorate your 80 sq ft of prison...


67 posted on 08/14/2011 4:02:11 PM PDT by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: DiogenesLamp
The entire Military should have risen en masse to demand proof when none was forthcoming.

This is the second comment of this nature you've made.

Promoting a military coup on FR is frowned upon by management...perhaps you need to revise and extend your remarks...or find a birther website where they tolerate that kind of nonsense.

68 posted on 08/14/2011 4:06:49 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: All

Once again we have an ordinary soldier standing up on his own volition to demand that the Usurper-in-Chief be investigated to determine Obama’s true legal identity in response to the mountain of evidence that Obama has committed birth certificate fraud, SSN fraud, draft registration fraud, and real estate fraud. Obama’s true legal identity is not conclusively known. This should not be necessary. Soldier in the ranks should not have to be demanding our leaders and Congress take action to investigate Obama. This should not be a bottom up action mode but a top down action mode to protect our country and the Constitution from a usurper. The Joint Chiefs of Staff of our military should be taking action. They took a solemn oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC. It is now obvious that we have a domestic enemy of the Constitution in the Oval Office. The Joint Chiefs should call Congress and arrange for a private, secret meeting with the key leaders in Congress such as Speaker Boehner and tell them that what is going on in our country with the criminal activities in the White House with the placing of a forged Obama birth certificate onto the White House servers on 27 April 2011 is of great concern to them and of great concern for the morale and integrity of our military and their living up to their oath to support and defend the Constitution, not a criminal putative president. The Joint Chiefs of Staff should be telling Congress they must convene a congressional investigation to investigate the criminal charges of identity theft and others being made against Obama. The Joint Chiefs should give Congress 7-10 days to call for a congressional investigation of Obama as a result of the private, secret meeting. And if the Congress still does not act, then the Joint Chiefs of Staff should hold a public news conference and reveal that they have made a plea to Congress to act, and that Congress is still not acting, and make a new public demand on Congress to call for a congressional investigation of Obama and to ask for the support of the American people to demand that Congress launch a full investigation.

CDR Charles Kerchner (Ret)
http://www.protectourliberty.org


69 posted on 08/14/2011 4:08:51 PM PDT by CDR Kerchner (Title 8, Section 1401, Citizen at Birth, natural born Citizen, CAB, NBC)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Speaking of having it entirely bass-ackwards ...

The US Military is SUPPOSED to be apolitical, ‘detached’ if you will, from the political operations of the government. Any assertion of political interest or interference with the operation of the political process — you know, elections, legislation, law enforcement, things like that — would be CONTRARY to their role as explicitly defined in the Constitution and in such places as the Posse Comitatus and Insurrection Acts.

Fortunately, throughout our history, the Military has tended to act with a clear perception of and loyalty TO that concept — this despite profound provocations like The Civil War, the Bonus Army marchers and 9/11. You ought to learn enough about what you’re arguing to make more sense ...

One Man’s Opinion

21stCenturion


70 posted on 08/14/2011 4:11:15 PM PDT by 21stCenturion ("It's the Judges, Stupid !")
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71 posted on 08/14/2011 4:11:54 PM PDT by RedMDer (Abolish FReepathons. Be a monthly donor.)
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To: CDR Kerchner
Have you personally contacted Congressman Issa? If so, what response did you get?
72 posted on 08/14/2011 4:12:47 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: charlene4

I just forwarded it to a friend who is working with Terry Lakin


73 posted on 08/14/2011 4:16:38 PM PDT by cyclotic (Boy Scouts-Developing Leaders in a World of Followers.)
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To: CDR Kerchner

Thank you for the light of truth and principle.


74 posted on 08/14/2011 4:18:00 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Then either one must be recalled.


75 posted on 08/14/2011 4:20:09 PM PDT by 353FMG (Liberalism is Satan's handiwork.)
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To: trustandobey

>Should be the response of everyone serving in the military.<

.
And every congresscritter.


76 posted on 08/14/2011 4:22:01 PM PDT by 353FMG (Liberalism is Satan's handiwork.)
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To: trumandogz

I am amazed that you cannot say that you disagree, without being such a childlike person.
I guess respect was never a value learned in your home. Some subjects deserve respect. Disagree all you want , but geez!


77 posted on 08/14/2011 4:24:53 PM PDT by charlene4 ("The only people who don’t want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.” BHO)
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To: CDR Kerchner

I don’t know who you are or whatever you were a ‘Commander’ of, but you seem to exhibit all the simple, prideful, megalomaniacal ‘qualities’ embodied by that great Anti-American James Mattoon Scott.

If the Joint Chiefs ( Administrative Staff Officers overseeing the various bureaucratic functionaries of the Services — political appointees all ! — and, in the case of the Chairman, Military ‘Advisor’ to the incumbent President ) were to act as you described, they would be guilty of insurrection and disloyalty to their Oaths and should be summarily dismissed the very moment this was discovered.

Shame on you ...

One Man’s Opinion

21stCenturion


78 posted on 08/14/2011 4:26:32 PM PDT by 21stCenturion ("It's the Judges, Stupid !")
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To: BuckeyeTexan

I made a suggestion. “WTF do you suggest he do?!”


79 posted on 08/14/2011 4:33:51 PM PDT by Jacquerie
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To: 21stCenturion; CDR Kerchner

Shame on you for your character assassination (attempted) of CDR Kerchner. Your slanderous insults reveal your character, and say nothing about his.

As they say, jackals bark when a lion walks by.


80 posted on 08/14/2011 4:39:39 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: charlene4
Holy crap...I have been a birther since 2008. I rarely post to these because so many obots do such a good job of shutting everything down...

...and I have to say this thread has the quickest, most vile responses I have ever seen.

Must be because it is Sunday night and the obots are entrenched well in their basements after a weekend of union activity,

81 posted on 08/14/2011 4:42:46 PM PDT by IrishPennant
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To: charlene4

“I guess respect was never a value learned in your home. Some subjects deserve respect.”

In my home, I was taught not to respect those who broke into people’s homes.

“Dr.” Manning is an ex con, a two time loser, who went to prison twice for burglary.

Why would you have respect for a career criminal like “Dr.” Manning?


82 posted on 08/14/2011 4:46:58 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: little jeremiah

Shame on you for your character assassination (attempted) of 21stCenturion. Your slanderous insults reveal your character, and say nothing about his.

As they say, jackals bark when a lion walks by.


83 posted on 08/14/2011 4:51:06 PM PDT by 21stCenturion ("It's the Judges, Stupid !")
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To: DiogenesLamp
The entire Military should have risen en masse to demand proof when none was forthcoming.

FReepers DO NOT support insurrection. Get lost. You're not FReeper material.

84 posted on 08/14/2011 4:53:46 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Mr Rogers

My thoughts exactly


85 posted on 08/14/2011 4:57:02 PM PDT by woofie
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To: little jeremiah; CDR Kerchner

Ah, shucks, Jerry. I missed this’n earlier.

Sorry, I didn’t realize I was whistlin’ in your church ...

One Man’s Opinion

21stCenturion


86 posted on 08/14/2011 4:58:44 PM PDT by 21stCenturion ("It's the Judges, Stupid !")
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To: IrishPennant

Look, it’s totally acceptable to question Obama’s eligiblity. It is not acceptable to have military members refuse to obey orders. If we allow that, where is the line?


87 posted on 08/14/2011 5:00:08 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: DiogenesLamp

“The entire Military should have risen en masse to demand proof when none was forthcoming.”

Yes, it is quite easy to call for other people to put their; blood, life, family, property, job and freedom on the line for a coup d’état.


88 posted on 08/14/2011 5:01:47 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: BuckeyeTexan

So when people disagree with you, you tell them to shut up and get out?

Childish behavior.


89 posted on 08/14/2011 5:13:52 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: trumandogz

Sure, it’s much easier to post articles here whining about the total destruction of America.


90 posted on 08/14/2011 5:15:36 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: Elendur

****** “ but, the fact is, the enlisted oath is not the same as for officers.
(if the President personally gave a direct order, maybe.
but the enlisted swears to obey the oaths of officers.
and the Sgt’s officers ARE legitimate.)” *******

BS
BS
BS

What freak Oath did you take? Was it maybe the North Korean Oath?

TT


91 posted on 08/14/2011 5:24:08 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is real islam. Moderate islam is the trojan horse.)
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To: 21stCenturion

DId you see the post up from you? Do you know who CMDR Kerchmer is? Ah, in case ya don’t maybe you should check his website and/ or Lakins. You may even find how unfounded and therefor ignorant you read.
Again I ask, can any of you who disagree with this Patriot, either shut up and go to a board where someone wants to read your dribble, or please try not to be so cavelier in your comments.
Opinions are valuable, creepy snarks are not.


92 posted on 08/14/2011 5:25:57 PM PDT by charlene4 ("The only people who don’t want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.” BHO)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Well kid, good luck with that.


93 posted on 08/14/2011 5:27:26 PM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: trumandogz

***** “Yes, it is quite easy to call for other people to put their; blood, life, family, property, job and freedom on the line for a coup d’état.” ******

Yeah but back in the Clinton years I had a Bumper Sticker on the Front that said “Impeach Clinton” the one on the back said “Alan Keyes for President” ... the one on the back got me in more trouble than the one on the front ... I did not remove either one.

The “Impeach Clinton” used to draw salutes

TT


94 posted on 08/14/2011 5:35:15 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is real islam. Moderate islam is the trojan horse.)
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To: AlmaKing

When they support principles that are against FR policy? Absolutely.


95 posted on 08/14/2011 5:43:51 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: TexasTransplant
Settle down.
I've been in the service for 20 years and still going; and long before I joined the oath of enlistment has been EXACTLY the same. To obey the orders of the president and the officers appointed over you and in the case of the Guard, the orders of the governor. It's the oath my father took, and his father if I am not mistaken. That is how the chain of command works. I obey my supervisor who obeys his commander, who obeys the General, who obeys the head of the Air Force who obeys the Chairman of the joint chiefs of staff who obeys the president.
Those orders are not up for interpretation or selective enforcement unless they are illegal orders that violate the Geneva convention. Until someone else is president, like or not Barak Obama's orders will be followed by the military, like it or not, those are the facts. Calling BS and screaming at your computer does not change that. Obama took the oath, he's the president, I don't much like it or care for him, but I'm not going to betray my oath and throw away 20 years of service and tarnish my good name for him or for you for that matter.
My goal is not to retire with his signature on my paperwork and I aim to make sure that happens in every way I legally can. I made the choice to serve long before that man came to power and I intend to be here after he is gone. That's my choice, this SSgt made his choice and he will pay for not fulfilling his obligations. He's not going to change the facts on the ground any more than your tantrum is going to.
96 posted on 08/14/2011 5:45:01 PM PDT by McCloud-Strife ( USA 1776-2008)
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To: Tex-Con-Man
Damn the charlatans who incite this type of behavior while comfortably remaining on the sidelines cheering them on.

They are called REMFs...look it up


97 posted on 08/14/2011 5:51:27 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: 21stCenturion
What the heck Constitution did you take and oath to? Not the one signed by Charles Pickney, a Founder and Signer who addressed Congress in March 1800:
Therefore they have guarded against, and to insure experience and attachment to the country, they have determined that no man who is not a natural born citizen, or citizen at the adoption of the Constitution, of fourteen years residence, and thirty-five years of age, shall be eligible.

98 posted on 08/14/2011 5:55:27 PM PDT by bvw
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To: little jeremiah

This won’t end until Obama is out of office, but that won’t really be the end of it either. The truth of finding Obama’s hidden past will go on.

Yeah, I noticed the hyperbole from the OB*&*s.


99 posted on 08/14/2011 5:58:05 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel; darkwing104

Darkwing - so anyone who thinks this Sergeant is a brave man is a Rear Echelon M***** F*****? Seriously, that’s what you think?


100 posted on 08/14/2011 6:00:17 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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