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Peggy Noonan and whether Obama should run for a second term
Island Turtle ^ | August 20, 2011 | Corky Boyd

Posted on 08/20/2011 10:50:58 PM PDT by Corky Boyd

In Friday’s Wall Street Journal, Peggy Noonan takes a look at President Obama’s Martha's Vineyard vacation and speculates on his thoughts in view of declining poll numbers, and disillusionment among his supporters.

"How could he not be depressed? He has made big mistakes since the beginning of his presidency and has been pounded since the beginning of his presidency. He's got to be full of doubts at this point about what to do. His baseline political assumptions have proved incorrect, his calculations have turned out to be erroneous, his big decisions have turned to dust...."

"Nothing worked! And nothing's going to work. He's the smartest guy in the room, but he's got the reverse Midas touch. Everything he touches turns to—well, unsatisfying outcomes."

But the article is more than failures and vacations. It questions whether Obama should continue to seek a second term. Indeed the subhead of the op-ed is, “Is his visit to Martha's Vineyard a sign that he's giving up?” She concludes her article with an ominous series of statements which are in reality questions for Obama to answer....

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TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: democrats; obama; peggynoonan; secondterm
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1 posted on 08/20/2011 10:51:03 PM PDT by Corky Boyd
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To: Corky Boyd
He's the smartest guy in the room,

That would require a room full of idiots.

2 posted on 08/20/2011 10:58:22 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Corky Boyd

Piggy Noonan is a political whore and always will be. Just because you worked for Reagan, doesn’t mean you are a Conservative.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq4sOM4tpno


3 posted on 08/20/2011 10:58:45 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: lonestar

...have you seen his staff?


4 posted on 08/20/2011 10:59:25 PM PDT by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: Corky Boyd

Too much God.

5 posted on 08/20/2011 11:00:47 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Corky Boyd
He's the smartest guy in the room...

30 months of relentless beatings with the clue stick hasn't been enough for Peggy.

6 posted on 08/20/2011 11:01:57 PM PDT by Interesting Times (WinterSoldier.com. SwiftVets.com. ToSetTheRecordStraight.com.)
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To: Corky Boyd
If I had my way that idiot would resign yesterday. But we all can't get what we want. Maybe the big news Obama is supposedly going to tell us in September will be he's finally decided he's too stupid to lead the country and Bite Me Biden will take over. lol
7 posted on 08/20/2011 11:03:17 PM PDT by Nitehawk0325 (I have the right to remain silent, but I lack the ability...........)
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To: RichInOC
They fill the room...and fill the bill.

I'm wondering if some of the people in the WH are getting a little bit tired of his vacations while they do all the work and they all look stupid.

8 posted on 08/20/2011 11:04:11 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Corky Boyd

Those of us old enough to remember, can recall the chanting of the lefties. Ho ho hey hey. Blah blah blah LBJ. ad nauseum.

Its time for an update.

Hey hey ho ho. BHO has git to go.
Ho ho hey hey. BHO how many kids have you robbed their future today?
Hey hey ho ho. BHO has got to go.

Oh well. One can dream. Can’t one?


9 posted on 08/20/2011 11:07:44 PM PDT by barstoolblues (Notes from the Hobbitt hole. By Hezbollah Hobbitt.)
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To: Corky Boyd

Those of us old enough to remember, can recall the chanting of the lefties. Ho ho hey hey. Blah blah blah LBJ. ad nauseum.

Its time for an update.

Hey hey ho ho. BHO has git to go.
Ho ho hey hey. BHO how many kids have you robbed their future today?
Hey hey ho ho. BHO has got to go.

Oh well. One can dream. Can’t one?


10 posted on 08/20/2011 11:07:58 PM PDT by barstoolblues (Notes from the Hobbitt hole. By Hezbollah Hobbitt.)
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To: Corky Boyd
Corky, Corky, Corky.
Don't be a blog pimp.
You may be amusing yourself out there on Sanibel but I am not even a little bemused by your post.
You could have linked to Peggy's ridiculous article and made a few personal responses in your post. That would have contributed to the conversation here. Dragging us off to your retirement blog is, well, unnecessary.
11 posted on 08/20/2011 11:09:42 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (O assumes the trappings of the presidency, not its mantle. He is not presidential.)
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To: Corky Boyd

This would be a nightmare. The D’s would nominate someone just as bad but much harder to beat.


12 posted on 08/20/2011 11:14:06 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Corky Boyd

Didn’t Peggy vote for Obama?


13 posted on 08/20/2011 11:20:52 PM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Greed + Envy = Liberalism)
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To: lonestar

What objective reason does the media have to keep parroting that characterization? He speaks with a teleprompter and doesn’t do so well without one. He has made gaffes that would have been used by the left to continue painting Bush as stupid if he had made them. We’ve never seen a single college or law school transcript. He’s never held a real job in the private sector. He espouses ridiculous, sophomoric, (and dangerous) ideological positions.

The list goes on. What are they basing their comments on? A book? Even if he did write it cover to cover, which I understand is doubted by many, so what? Lots of people write books, and lots of people write really good books. That doesn’t make them geniuses or have any relevancy as to whether or not they’d be a good president.


14 posted on 08/20/2011 11:25:18 PM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Corky Boyd

I suspect Peggy must be lamenting her own disillusionment as well...


15 posted on 08/20/2011 11:27:01 PM PDT by Tempest (Ruining the day of corporate butt kissers everywhere.)
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To: Corky Boyd

It is racist to criticize Obama for vacationing in Martha’s Vineyard. It is also racist to criticize him for having no debt reduction plan, for declaring Cut, Cap & Balance dead before it had passed the House, for wasting a trillion dollars of stimulus money, for accusing him of using corrupt political influence to grant Obamacare waivers to businesses loyal to his campaign coffers, for not agreeing that his administration has created or saved 2 million jobs, and for pointing out the annual debt has more than quadrupled and our accrued cumulative debt has grown by $6 trillion during his 2.5 years in office.

Furthermore, only a racist will accuse him of weakness for not responding when Putin recently called the US a “parasite” to the world’s economy, and for not even rebuking Pakistan, much less withholding further support when they allowed the Chinese to inspect our crashed helicopter at the bin Laden house. And it really makes my blood boil when racists accuse Obama of exploiting and politicizing the Obama hit by publicizing and releasing information about the SEALS team and then allowing a photo op of himself at Andrews upon the return of the caskets of 30 SEALS team heroes killed by Taliban. Not to mention any racist accusations of the misuse of Justice department in dealing arms to Mexican drug dealers, and new backdoor efforts to implement the Dream Act.

Stand up and fight, Mr. President! Don’t let these racists get you down. Fight on, all the way to election day and don’t change a thing! /s


16 posted on 08/20/2011 11:28:15 PM PDT by untwist
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To: Corky Boyd
No Democrat would dare to challenge Obama for the nomination. Democrats almost never take on an incumbent president of their party,

That statement is patently untrue. There have been only three incumbent Democrats running for re-election since the adoption of the primary system: LBJ, Carter and Clinton. Two of the three were challenged, one successfully (LBJ withdrew after a weak showing in New Hampshire). Carter lost in a landslide in the general election after a competitive battle with Ted Kennedy.

In either party, if the incumbent is seen as vulnerable, he will draw an opponent. As you mention later, only Obama's protective melanin has staved off a challenge. However, he reason that staves off a challenge is not only because of what it does to the career of the challenger. The bigger problem is all of the Senators and Reps who would lose their seats if the African-American voters feel snookered by the Dems. If HRC ran against and beat Obama in Round 2, NYC, Detroit, Newark, Philly, Baltimore, Chicago, Atlanta, Los Angeles would all lose minority turnout. The effect would guarantee the pickup of numerous Republican Senate seats, for starters.
17 posted on 08/20/2011 11:30:28 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (It's fun to play with your vision, but don't ever play with your eyes.-1970's PSA)
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To: Tempest

Did Peggy endorse him in 08?


18 posted on 08/20/2011 11:30:41 PM PDT by Neanderthal
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To: Corky Boyd
Peggy, if you really think [Obama] is the smartest guy in the room, you are beyond ignorant.
19 posted on 08/20/2011 11:32:29 PM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: Corky Boyd

Blog pimp. I don’t appreciate it one iota.


20 posted on 08/20/2011 11:34:00 PM PDT by publana (Beware the olive branch extended by a Dem for it disguises a clenched fist.)
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To: Corky Boyd; Louis Foxwell; publana

21 posted on 08/20/2011 11:41:29 PM PDT by shibumi ("A Republic - if you can keep it.")
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To: Neanderthal

She swooned over his ‘oratory skills’ and took pot shots at McCain/Palin.


22 posted on 08/20/2011 11:43:10 PM PDT by Tempest (Ruining the day of corporate butt kissers everywhere.)
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To: Corky Boyd
I love this comment at the blog site:

Dantes said...
Excellent article???

Are you kidding me? Noonan has absolutely no credibility writing about Zero, having swooned over him in 2008 and deriding those people who saw right through his charade.

She would be at least somewhat credible if she admitted she screwed up royally in endorsing Obama. Here, as in most of her recent articles, she acts like she just got back from Mars and had no knowledge of Obama.

C'mon, dude. Get a clue.

23 posted on 08/20/2011 11:45:58 PM PDT by Rocky (REPEAL IT!)
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To: Corky Boyd

he been pounded? He been excused and defended by the media every step of the way. If Bush went to war with Libya the way Obama did, Bush would be impeached 24/7 news on how bad Bush is and how he’s breaking the law and a war criminal


24 posted on 08/20/2011 11:47:58 PM PDT by 4rcane
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To: Corky Boyd

Noonan was another one who had tingles up her legs about te great Obama. She can go to hell.


25 posted on 08/20/2011 11:50:05 PM PDT by DaxtonBrown (HARRY: Money Mob & Influence (See my Expose on Reid on amazon.com written by me!))
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To: Cowboy Bob

“Didn’t Peggy vote for Obama?”

Peggy Noonan and Christopher Buckley and Colin Powell


26 posted on 08/20/2011 11:51:44 PM PDT by Pelham ("Resist we much!" - Al 'Jiffypop' Sharpton)
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To: Corky Boyd
He's the smartest guy in the room, but he's got the reverse Midas touch. Everything he touches turns to—well, unsatisfying outcomes."

No, he's not the smartest guy in the room, he is the most incompetent, unaccomplished, zero experience in anything except for community agitating as commie pig radical.

In fact without his teleprompter, he is a stammering disorganized idiot who cannot effectively convey any sense of cohesive logic or argument.

I think Rush summarizes it best, when he says that any room that 0dumb0 enters, he will be the most incompetent, inexperienced person in the room.

Throw this commie pig bastard 0dumb0 out of office even BEFORE 2012.

27 posted on 08/20/2011 11:54:37 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: lonestar
He's the smartest guy in the room, but he's got the reverse Midas touch.

This sentence which you have cited tells us so much about Peggy Noonan.

The high point of her career was speechwriting for one of the best speech makers of all time, Ronald Reagan, and she narcissistically believes that the sine qua non of a great public leader is the quality of the speeches he renders. That is one of the reasons that she despises Sarah Palin, because she believes Sarah Palin's rustic delivery ad lib betrays a shallowness of intelligence.

Obama is not highly intelligent, he is a wordsmith who has simply mastered the art, chameleonlike, of rendering the tone and cadence that his audience wants. That is not a sign of intelligence beyond the ability to read the audience and play act.

Peggy should be far more concerned about what the man's biography, associations, and actions demonstrate about his character than what speech patterns illuminate about his intelligence. That goes for Sarah Palin too.

Peggy: the ability to make a speech is not necessarily an indicator of intelligence; character rather than intelligence is a cardinal prerequisite for president of the United States.


28 posted on 08/21/2011 12:09:17 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Pelham
Peggy Noonan and Christopher Buckley and Colin Powell

Don't forget The Kathleen Parker.

29 posted on 08/21/2011 12:20:40 AM PDT by FredZarguna (I'm sure the posed Christmas pics she took will convince Geraldo she's a loving mom.)
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To: nathanbedford

Everything he touches turns to Kenyan poop alright.

Health Care, Debt Ceiling, Taxing your way out of a Recession, eating Wagu beef and ice cream while to Country goes to hell.

FUBO and GTFO


30 posted on 08/21/2011 1:06:18 AM PDT by wetgundog (" Extremism in the Defense of Liberty is no Vice")
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To: nathanbedford

spot on.


31 posted on 08/21/2011 1:08:20 AM PDT by steel_resolve
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To: Corky Boyd

Blog whores are as bad as media whores.


32 posted on 08/21/2011 1:11:39 AM PDT by exnavy (May the Lord bless and keep our troops.)
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To: Interesting Times
He's the smartest guy in the room... 30 months of relentless beatings with the clue stick hasn't been enough for Peggy.

LOL!


33 posted on 08/21/2011 1:14:42 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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To: Corky Boyd
Obama is never going to give up. He'll do what he has done in everything in his life.

He'll vote "present" if he is in town (which isn't very often).

34 posted on 08/21/2011 2:11:02 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority (Where is the middle ground on insolvency of the United States government?)
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To: Corky Boyd

Noonan, sad to say, has been exposed as a DITZ...
Maybe a Harpocrite... or Stone Rino... or Posuer...

The girl has a “Valley Girl” sway about her..
A MAxine Waters while white... personage.. a HoodRat from a different HOod.. “stick”/act..


35 posted on 08/21/2011 2:53:06 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: Corky Boyd
[0's] got to be full of doubts at this point about what to do.

No, Peggy.

0 had no clue about what to do beginning the minute his term began.

36 posted on 08/21/2011 3:27:22 AM PDT by Quiller (When you're fighting to survive, there is no "try" -- there is only do, or do not.)
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To: lonestar

At the end of Psycho, Norman Bates is sitting in a room by himself and a fly.
He’s obviously NUTS.
Were this obammy, the fly would outsmart him.


37 posted on 08/21/2011 3:33:57 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Obammy, the first affirmative action president.)
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To: Nitehawk0325

and Bite Me Biden will take over. lol

..one stupid move after another...


38 posted on 08/21/2011 4:13:44 AM PDT by Recon Dad ("Don't shoot fast, unless you also shoot good..")
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To: Corky Boyd

I pay no attention whatsoever as to what Peg None-an has to say.


39 posted on 08/21/2011 4:16:44 AM PDT by Sea Parrot (Democrats creation of the entitlement class will prove out to be their very own Frankenstein monster)
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To: lonestar
That would require a room full of idiots.

Or a room full of liberals.

40 posted on 08/21/2011 4:32:43 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: DaxtonBrown
Noonan was another one who had tingles up her legs about te great Obama.

Labia.

41 posted on 08/21/2011 4:40:45 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages.)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Smartest man in the room! Why so skeptical? Have you not seen the crease in his pants? This is enough proof for a progressive.


42 posted on 08/21/2011 5:07:17 AM PDT by Vehmgericht
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To: Rocky

You nailed it.


43 posted on 08/21/2011 5:09:28 AM PDT by fatfertile
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

What they’ll say is, “Well it costs too much money,” but you know what? It would cost, about... It — it — it would cost about the same as what we would spend... It... Over the course of 10 years it would cost what it would costs us... (nervous laugh) All right. Okay. We’re going to... It... It would cost us about the same as it would cost for about — hold on one second. I can’t hear myself.

Now that’s what I call articulate. Resist we much!


44 posted on 08/21/2011 5:23:27 AM PDT by Vehmgericht
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To: lonestar
He's the smartest guy in the room,

I suspect when she wrote that she was trying to characterize his prespective. No truly intelligent person ever thinks like that. The smartest people in the world are the people who know what they don't know.

45 posted on 08/21/2011 5:30:22 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot)
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To: Corky Boyd

my understanding about Christopher Buckley voting for Obama
was because of personal anger towards Sen. McCain for McCain’s failure to call Christopher personally when William Buckley died.


46 posted on 08/21/2011 5:49:11 AM PDT by wodehouse
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To: Corky Boyd

Failures and vacations are the only things history can tell about Obama.


47 posted on 08/21/2011 5:53:19 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Corky Boyd

I haven’t read the Noonan woman’s article yet, but I wager she manages to criticize Obama for not being ‘serious’ in some respect. That’s her real zinger - a pol who is not ‘serious’ about an issue, policy, or problem.


48 posted on 08/21/2011 5:54:30 AM PDT by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "p" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

I didn’t click through to the blog. Not really interested in what one person is saying about what another person is saying about BHO.

However, this was posted under thief “blogging and personal” section. So, jumping ugly on the blogger is kind of likebbeing surprised to find gambling in thue casino.


49 posted on 08/21/2011 6:00:40 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (George Lopez is the black hole of funny. Nothing funny can escape his suck.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Obama has not yet played his most powerful card, the shuck and jive bumbling Uncle Tom. All he need do is come clean and admit that he is a good hearted dunce who just wanted to help.
Sorrowful, apologetic humility coupled with a cry for help from the American people would see his support bounce to 99%. Only jaundiced FReepers would refuse to be taken in. Fortunately for us his egotistical narcissism will not allow him to have such a self depricating moment of honesty.
I would love to write that speech here and now but Jim and the mods have banned me from doing so. That would be worth starting a blog for.
Take note, Corky, blogging a POV unacceptable to FR policy is a legitimate use of a blog link by a FReeper.


50 posted on 08/21/2011 6:13:48 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (O assumes the trappings of the presidency, not its mantle. He is not presidential.)
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