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Open letter to all Freepers, Matters of the Heart
7-21-2011 | Battle Axe

Posted on 08/21/2011 7:04:33 PM PDT by Battle Axe

I found my good friend dead on the floor on July 18, 2011. Life will never be the same.

He had been in an automobile accident 9 days before, but the autopsy showed he had severe coronary disease with multiple blockages. The EMTs said he had been gone for 3-4 hours.

Please don't let this happen to any of my FreeperFriends.

He had no symptoms of heart trouble other than a little high cholesterol. Treatment with diet and exercise put the numbers back in good territory and he could pass a stress test better than I could.

What he needed was a heart catherization test that would have shown the blockages. But that test was never suggested. They say I have two more weeks to wait until the final determination of what happened. He was only 65.


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Please everyone take care of your heart.
1 posted on 08/21/2011 7:04:48 PM PDT by Battle Axe
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To: Battle Axe

I am very sorry for your loss.


2 posted on 08/21/2011 7:06:05 PM PDT by Jemian
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To: Battle Axe

So sorry, Battle. Thanks for posting to remind us.


3 posted on 08/21/2011 7:07:19 PM PDT by Jedidah (I'll vote for an earthworm before I'll vote for Obama. So wiggle on in, Rick Perry.)
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To: Battle Axe

Thank you for this message. It needs to be repeated and repeated over and over again. We get so caught up in our lives of family, work and entertainment that we forget about taking care of our bodies. Sorry for your loss. God Bless You!!!


4 posted on 08/21/2011 7:07:31 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Battle Axe

Sorry you lost your friend.
Best wishes and prayers to all your families.


5 posted on 08/21/2011 7:07:34 PM PDT by Freeper Fanatic
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To: Battle Axe
I am sorry for your loss, but why would that test be suggested if no symptoms were present?
6 posted on 08/21/2011 7:08:14 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
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To: Battle Axe

God bless you and your friend Battle Axe. My condolences. I too am 65 and thanks for the reminder,


7 posted on 08/21/2011 7:12:58 PM PDT by deweyfrank
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To: Jemian

You are all so very kind. It looked to me that he was cleaning out a box of old papers and got up out of the recliner, turned off the A/C and then tried to walk into the kitchen, bedroom or bathroom and just didn’t make it. I think he went to his knees and then over on one side. His glasses were still on his head, not broken or ajar. I don’t think he hit the floor very hard. It looked like he didn’t move after that. So it was very quick and hopefully painless. He was so afraid dying would hurt too much.

Many other friends have commented that they have watched relatives struggle for months on end with painful diseases. This was better for him, but a real shock to me.

BA


8 posted on 08/21/2011 7:14:27 PM PDT by Battle Axe (Repent, for the coming of the Lord is neigh.)
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9 posted on 08/21/2011 7:14:40 PM PDT by narses ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions." Chesterton)
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To: Battle Axe

Thank you. Are you saying he brought down his cholesterol so all was good in that area but he still had blockages? And very sorry for your sudden loss.


10 posted on 08/21/2011 7:17:15 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Battle Axe

Two months ago, my 38-year old cousin died in bed when his heart simply stopped. Turned out he had an enlarged heart that no one (including my cousin) even knew about.


11 posted on 08/21/2011 7:18:09 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: Battle Axe

I’m very sorry for your loss. Thanks for the message.


12 posted on 08/21/2011 7:18:09 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: Battle Axe

No one should have to find a friend this way. Sorry for your loss and pain.


13 posted on 08/21/2011 7:18:31 PM PDT by umgud
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To: Battle Axe

Very sorry for your loss. Friend lost his brother in law last night, age 52, heart attack while driving. Luckily no one else was hurt but it wasn’t his first one either. Sad.


14 posted on 08/21/2011 7:19:28 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: Battle Axe
I am sorry for your loss.

I have the same question someone else asked: If the doctor didn't tell him to have the test, how could he know to have the test? If he had no symptoms, how would the doc know he needed the test?

I have read that over testing can be as bad for your health as under testing. There are false positives that lead to more tests and many of the tests can have some danger. It is all very confusing. In the end I just have to trust my doctor.

Diet, exercise, lower stress, keep weight down, don't smoke or drink. These are the things we can all do to protect our health.

15 posted on 08/21/2011 7:20:45 PM PDT by RonBush
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To: Battle Axe

I am so sorry for your loss. How difficult grief is.

I just had a Cardiac Dopplar done. It is a sonogram of the carotid artery to see how much plaque there is. My internist recommended it as I am taking statins and he wanted to use this as a way to determine how aggressive the statin regimen should be. as it turned out, I had normal arteries for someone of my age. so now we will keep a moderate amt of statin med.

It is such a simple test. Just a sonogram, not invasive.
I recommend it to anyone on or considering statins for cholesterol.


16 posted on 08/21/2011 7:25:57 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (where is the Great Santini when we need him??)
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To: Battle Axe

it was better for him and for that we thank a merciful God. We will keep you in our prayers as well. It was definitely a shock for you and will take some time so...take your time, grieve and don’t aplogize. You need the time to grieve. May you find comfort in the fact he left this earth quickly and looks like painlessly. I’m sure his last thoughts were of you!!! May he rest in peace.


17 posted on 08/21/2011 7:26:57 PM PDT by cubreporter (From TEA to Shining TEA - Go Rush Limbaugh..a giant of all that is good.)
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To: Battle Axe

Thanks for your message of caring and concern. I am very sorry for the loss of your friend. May God comfort and uphold you.


18 posted on 08/21/2011 7:29:44 PM PDT by Faith
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To: RonBush; All

Please see my post # 16.


19 posted on 08/21/2011 7:30:24 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (where is the Great Santini when we need him??)
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To: RonBush
Heart caths are in themselves dangerous, it is the gold standard but risky nonetheless. The doctors will do it to rule out false positives from less invasive tests or in an emergency where often times they will have an angioplasty ready to go. It's not a good idea if the person is asymptomatic as it can shear off a clot and cause an embolism.
20 posted on 08/21/2011 7:36:35 PM PDT by StayoutdaBushesWay (Every man dies, but not every man really lives.)
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To: Battle Axe

I’m sorry for your loss, will keep you and his family in prayer.


21 posted on 08/21/2011 7:37:56 PM PDT by StayoutdaBushesWay (Every man dies, but not every man really lives.)
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To: Battle Axe
"He had no symptoms of heart trouble other than a little high cholesterol."

I can pretty well guarantee he had some symptoms, like tiny grabbing pains in his chest, but most men are in denial.

Sorry for the loss of your friend.

22 posted on 08/21/2011 7:40:55 PM PDT by Spunky (“Never interupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.” Napolean)
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To: Battle Axe

I am so sorry for your loss. And thank you for bringing this up. For years my husband had experienced chest pains. He kept chalking it up to a hiatal hernia and did nothing. Last year he had a heart attack and had to have an emergency quintuple bypass. MEN...GET YOUR HEART CHECKED.


23 posted on 08/21/2011 7:41:50 PM PDT by Hildy (Hollywood liberals once embraced Communism "because they hadn't invented Pilates yet"- David Mamet)
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To: Battle Axe

I’m so sorry. Prayers up for you and for your friend’s loved ones.


24 posted on 08/21/2011 7:43:46 PM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: Battle Axe

Thank you for sharing.


25 posted on 08/21/2011 7:49:29 PM PDT by andyk (Income != Wealth)
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To: Battle Axe

God Bless you Battle... thanks for the warning.


26 posted on 08/21/2011 7:51:27 PM PDT by GOPJ (126 people were indicted for being terrorists in the last two years. Every one of them was Muslim.)
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To: Battle Axe

I am sorry to hear of your loss.

I was diagnosed with A-fib two & half years ago. Long story short I neglected my meds and got really sick early this year. A heart cath showed one blocked artery and a leaky mitral valve long overdue for repair. Open heart surgery in March, recovery made much easier by a loving new wife, and now I’m fine at 62.

I was blessed. Don’t ignore symptoms and it’s not being hypochondriatic to have the tests done, I’m a guy and I know I’m supposed to make fun of those who do or else I’m Alan Alda. Well, thanks to a wife who is much smarter than me (she had open heart following a year in Iraq) I’m here to tell the tale.

Hate it when others are right. And I still refuse to ask directions and I don’t have a GPS.

;^)


27 posted on 08/21/2011 7:59:59 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("Deport Muslims. Nuke Mecca. Death to Islam. Freedom for mankind.")
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
How long have you been on the Statins? Get to know your body real well, and the minute you feel weaker it could be the Statins are destroying you muscles. It has been recommended by some doctors to take CoQ10 while on them because this is what Statins are depleting out of you system.

I believe the Statins have destroyed my husbands muscle mass. He has a terrible time getting in and out of cars, chairs, bed, etc.

There was a report that came out last year by the FDA advising doctors to be very careful about putting people on 80mg of Zocor because they are now finding patients are losing muscle mass.

FDA Warning

I have been telling my husbands doctor for years that I believed his cholesterol medicine was destroying his muscles. I asked him about my husband taking the CoQ10 and he didn't even know what it was. He would not listen to me. Now he is trying to say he believes my husband has Parkinsons. I don't believe it and will not take his word for it. We will go to a Neurologist and see what they say.

As far as the FDA only saying 80mg of Zocor, I personally believe it could be ANY of the STATINS and any amount.

28 posted on 08/21/2011 8:14:13 PM PDT by Spunky (“Never interupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.” Napolean)
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To: Battle Axe
So sorry for your loss. Prayers for you and your loved ones. Fish Oil supplements, Vitamin D3, Omega3 & Omega6, CoQ10 and Resveratrol will work wonders for your physical well being. Other supplements as well.

God Bless.

29 posted on 08/21/2011 8:16:18 PM PDT by texgal (end no-fault divorce laws return DUE PROCESS & EQUAL PROTECTION to ALL citizens))
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To: All

I had a routine annual checkup this past Feb. There were some anomolies in the EKG. I was referred to a heart specialist and underwent a stress test combined with a scan. The results were not good.
I then underwent a heart cath and discovered that I had substantial damage to arteries feeding the heart. Finally the specialist reccomended bypass surgery which I underwent successfully - 4 way - in March. All of this with no symptoms of any kind.
Today I am off meds, have a steady 120/70 BP and feel, at 70, ready for the next 20 years.
Have your heart checked, today.


30 posted on 08/21/2011 8:17:00 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (O assumes the trappings of the presidency, not its mantle. He is not presidential.)
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To: Battle Axe

I’m so sorry for your loss. Heart disease runs deep on my dad’s side of the family- ALL of my uncles had heart attacks, or died of heart attacks. My dad had his first heart attack while still young- in his 40’s, in fact I was still in high school. Triple bypass in 2000, but then died of complications of diabetes in 2005. I’m still young- and female, but I try to be vigilant about my health, eat right, excersise, regular checkups, etc. Scary stuff.
I worry about my older brother following in my dad’s footsteps...heavy smoker, etc.


31 posted on 08/21/2011 8:33:15 PM PDT by gore_sux_2000 (Sarah Palin can touch M.C. Hammer.)
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To: Spunky

I take a very small amt of Zetia—10 mg..couldn’t do the other statins, muscle achiness. I am VERY in tune with my body and also very proactive in my healthcare.

Zetia functions differently than Zocor and that group and Zetia works well..I also take fish oil..I take the brand “ Wholemega “..its a bit pricier , but much better than any of the others.( Wholefoods carries it )

I also exercise. ..walking, stretching, and some limited ‘pump you up” class.

All of this is a balncing act of balancing the risks of the medicine and what we are trying to avoid by taking it.


32 posted on 08/21/2011 8:33:46 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (where is the Great Santini when we need him??)
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To: Battle Axe

I am so very sorry. One never knows what will take one out eventually.

I had a sweet friend who was so worried about her apartment on the
Ground floor, safety, all that. Then she was hit by a truck on the street in Manhattan. She didn’t even make it to 30.

Your friend was blessed by your friendship. May you see each other again in greener pastures.


33 posted on 08/21/2011 8:36:45 PM PDT by Yaelle ( Me too)
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To: Battle Axe

>> Please everyone take care of your heart.

Excellent advise.

Non-invasive tests: nuclear stress test, sonograms.


34 posted on 08/21/2011 9:06:00 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been Redistributed. Here's your damn Change!)
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To: Battle Axe
They won't schedule a heart cath unless you are experiencing chest pain or shortness of breath, or one of several other symptoms indicating a blockage. They can't just look at someone(unfortunately) and say, "Hey, buddy, you look like you need a heart cath"!

That said, I am sorry for your loss and it is too bad your friend didn't have chest pains or some other symptom that would have led to a heart cath, which would surely have saved his life.

Also, unfortunately, all to many people lie to Doctors when they are asked if they have chest pains or shortness of breath, and a lot of people attribute the shortness of breath to simply getting older and fail to mention it to their docs.

35 posted on 08/21/2011 9:18:12 PM PDT by calex59
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To: Spunky

Amen. I was going to say the same thing. Statins are suicide in a pill. They are killing my husband by degrees and He won’t go off them. First it was Sleep Apnia, then it was type 2 Diabetes, now it’s Emphezema. He’s grossly overweight and can’t lose it. Is weak and has hip pain so bad he can hardly walk. I believe it all starts with Statins. I will not take them. If I die from high Cholesterol so be it. At least I will die from only one problem instead of a dozen.


36 posted on 08/21/2011 9:44:24 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: StayoutdaBushesWay
It's not a good idea if the person is asymptomatic as it can shear off a clot and cause an embolism.

I used to have a problem with Atrial Fibrillation; it was an electrical problem, and I'd been told, when it was first diagnosed, that I might need a 'jumpstart', from time to time, or even a Cardiac Ablation.

I went to the ER on Christmas Day, 2007, with an irregular heartbeat, and difficulty in breathing, and it turned out I was in heart failure. Before they did the Cardiac ElectroConversion, the 'jumpstart', I had to have a TEE test (Trans Esophageal Echo), to make sure there were no clots in my heart that would be let loose by the Conversion. After these two procedures, I was taken in for a Heart Cath. I don't remember much about it, except I did wake up near the end, and asked the doc if there were any blockages. He said no, there wasn't even any plaque anywhere. Turns out my heart had been attacked by some sort of virus, because there was no physiological cause for the heart failure.

I continued to have A-Fib, having to have another jumpstart during that summer, so I decided to have a Cardiac Ablation. The first one was about 50% successful, so I had another, the last one being two years ago, and it seem to have solved the A-Fib, which is great! I really hated having to take blood thinners! Now I just take a low dose, daily, of a blood pressure med and an anti-arrhythmia.

37 posted on 08/21/2011 10:09:21 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Battle Axe

I’m very sorry for your loss.
Thank you for the message. Good work.


38 posted on 08/21/2011 10:20:49 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: calex59
They won't schedule a heart cath unless you are experiencing chest pain or shortness of breath, or one of several other symptoms indicating a blockage.

Or if you fail a stress test - highly recommended if there is a history of heart disease in your family. This disease is also known as 'the silent killer' because most people either don't have symptoms before the heart attack or they attribute them to other conditions. Pain can occur anywhere in the body, one guy went to a dentist thinking he had a toothache, turned out he was having a heart attack.

39 posted on 08/21/2011 11:39:08 PM PDT by fellowpatriot
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To: Battle Axe

my condolences ,Battle Axe

thank you for reminding us.


40 posted on 08/22/2011 3:12:57 AM PDT by aimee5291
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To: Battle Axe

Sorry man.


41 posted on 08/22/2011 3:16:37 AM PDT by Lazamataz (SmithL stole my tagline and won't give it back.)
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To: Battle Axe

My condolences on the loss of your friend.


42 posted on 08/22/2011 3:19:02 AM PDT by csense
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To: calex59
There was one day he called and said he was out of breath, but that was a real hot day and I was out of breath too. I told him it was just the weather. He joked, well, you know we are going to be 65 here soon.

He had been stabbed in a robbery while working at South Lake Tahoe. He had lost the feeling and most of the use of his left arm. So if there were any pains he never would have felt them.

43 posted on 08/22/2011 4:45:14 AM PDT by Battle Axe (Repent, for the coming of the Lord is neigh.)
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To: Battle Axe
My thoughts and prayers are with you. It is a trying time.

I too just lost a very good friend at the age of 67. I still am unable - at times - to believe he's no longer here.

Again, I'm so sorry for your loss...

44 posted on 08/22/2011 4:47:19 AM PDT by Logic n' Reason (The stain must be REMOVED (ERADICATED)....NOW!!)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

my doc wants me to start taking cholesterol lowering meds,too.


45 posted on 08/22/2011 5:55:26 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (My mind is like a steel trap: rusty and illegal in 37 states.)
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To: Battle Axe

I had an heart catheterization at age 50 they day after I had a bad (really good) bowl of Chili. The doctor insisted. I had it and had no problems whatsoever. I kinda think it ought to be like the “over 50” colonascopy. If you make it 50 you ought to know what condition your heart is in.

One person mentioned a non-invasive test that would show coronary artery disease. I think a lot of that is actually caused by infection which should be detectable also.


46 posted on 08/22/2011 6:32:48 AM PDT by Belasarius (Yet man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward. Job 5:2-7)
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To: Belasarius; Battle Axe

See my post # 16...

Its called the Cardiac Dopplar of the carotid artery. It that (sonogram) shows a lot of blockage, there is probably blockage everywhere else. I am not thrilled about going right to a catherization, that’s invasive.

and i am an expert...Cause I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night..ha.


47 posted on 08/22/2011 9:45:34 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (where is the Great Santini when we need him??)
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To: Battle Axe
So it was very quick and hopefully painless. He was so afraid dying would hurt too much.

A blessing...

48 posted on 08/22/2011 10:19:59 AM PDT by GOPJ (126 people were indicted for being terrorists in the last two years. Every one of them was Muslim.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
my doc wants me to start taking cholesterol lowering meds,too.

My cholesterol was a little high the last time I went in, but they haven't mentioned meds yet. I don't want to take them either. Hubby was on them for a short time, then said "heck NO"! He hated how they made him feel.

I'm taking a supplement now called Policosanol; it's based from sugar cane, and is supposed to help lower cholesterol, along with changes in diet and exercise. I haven't gone back yet, for another test, but I'm curious to see if it has helped, not only me, but hubby, who had a higher cholesterol number, which, I believe, is genetic.

49 posted on 08/22/2011 12:14:44 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Thank you for this valuable information.


50 posted on 08/23/2011 6:17:07 AM PDT by truthkeeper (Vote Against Barack Obama in 2012!)
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