Skip to comments.Torchwood, Pedophilia, and a Dying Culture
Posted on 08/25/2011 8:33:51 AM PDT by Maelstorm
Four years ago, the BBC decided to capitalize on the immense popularity of the long-running Doctor Who series by creating a spin-off called Torchwood.
Whereas Doctor Who is, apart from the intensity of its stories, safe for the whole family, producers said that Torchwood would be dark, clever, wild, [and] sexy. "Doctor Who for adults is what they called it.
As a colleague wrote at the time, a better word to describe the show is nihilistic - its a judgment thats reinforced by the shows newest character.
While Torchwood is certainly dark, its rarely, if ever, been all that clever, especially when measured against the standard set by Doctor Who and other science fiction classics.
Instead, the show has substituted transgression for originality. Specifically, sexual transgression. The lead character, Captain Jack Harkness, can best be described as an omni-sexual. While the rest of his team, all but one of whom were killed, may not have successfully emulated his alien-fighting skills, they did manage to learn from his sexual example: extramarital affairs, same-sex experimentation were all in a days work for the Torchwood team.
For the fourth season, entitled Miracle Day, the writers ratcheted up the transgression: The newest character, Oswald Jones, is a pedophile. Yes, you heard me correctly.
Jones, played by actor Bill Pullman, is a convicted pedophile-murderer who is released on a technicality. While hes far from the first pedophile to be depicted on television, he is undoubtedly the first depicted in a way that prompts the audience to root for him.
John Barrowman, the openly-gay actor who plays Harkness, said: The interesting thing about [having a pedophile man character] that is that the audience is going to be torn, because theyre going to not like him for what hes done - but theyre gonna like him.
Lets be clear, liking him, in the sense that Barrowman means is not the same as being able to see past Jones horrible crimes and understand that he is also created in the image of God. Its not the same as believing that even the worst of sinners can repent and be transformed by the power of God.
Its saying, he may be a murderous pedophile but, you know what, hes cool! Thats not a matter of grace, thats indifference. Its a kind of kind of nihilism, where in the absence of moral truth, the kind that Christianity provided the West, we evaluate things by how this make us feel in this case, whether they are entertaining.
For people who have come of age when what Freud once called Totems and Taboo are increasingly subject to revision, its hard to entertain people. As they say been there, done that, got the t-shirt. So we ratchet up the transgression.
Of course, there are limits: You couldnt imagine Barrowman substituting homophobe for pedophile in what he said. After all, some things are beyond the politically correct pale at least.
And, lest we forget, there are people who insist that sex between adults and children can be consensual. Thankfully, public opinion is nowhere near that point. Yet. Because as weve seen, yesterdays unthinkable taboos have a way of becoming todays alternative lifestyles. It is a sad sign that our culture may be dying.
Why I’m sticking with Dr. Who ping.
Fresh from beating the Catholic Church to a pulp with the stick of pedophilia, the Kultursmog has turned immediately to the project of legitimating pedophilia.
As G.K.C. said, “Any stigma will do to beat a dogma.”
Bringing the show to America just has not carried on that good story line. However, this article misses the mark on the bill pullman character. My take is that the entire world is in such chaos that no one is thinking clearly and those who have poor judgement skills to begin with are attributing something miraculous to him. However, many people in the story also hate the man and one episode he was beaten by police officers before the public could get to him.
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I don’t know why anyone is surprised. Spending a few hours reading from mainstream homosexual writing it becomes fairly clear that marriage isn’t the only thing they want to redefine. This is why there has been such a push to lower age of consent by homosexuals.
All their TV programs are vehicles to totally transform worldview to the pagan/occult/atheist/Marxist one.
This one is more blatant because the watchers are already corrupted to a large extent....it is the final nail to remove all sexual morality—complete freedom with government endorsement and protection so that their worldview will be the only one allowed.
It is for total Transformation to make it legal for all sex acts—so degeneracy will destroy the family and civil society—create slaves to passion and drugs—and a total destruction of Biblical morality==that which makes civil societies and freedom possible. They don’t want people to be free. Slaves to passion and drugs will make it easy for them to get control of everything.
That forcing the word “pedophilia” into the marketplace—even with evil connotation...is used to normalize the idea. Repeat it over and over and people start thinking it is done all the time-—kind of, normal for people.
“Marketing of Evil” outlines how the deviants have been successful in removing morality from our conscience and actually transforming the belief systems to where now “evil is good” and “good is evil”.
What I found most interesting about watching series like Torchwood is the blatant biases plugged in to most everything. It also helped punctuate the same kind of stuff being done here in similar ways. From guns to the role of authority figures in public life.
Maybe my tinfoil is a bit too tight, but the methodology is too similar for mere coincidence.
I like dark and violent entertainment on occasion. It's one thing if they are taking a character like Sanctuary's Jack the Ripper and giving him a path to redemption, it's another if they just ACCEPT the behavior of a baby-raper.
I think I'll pass on the 4th installment of Torchwood...
My wife and I watched about three episodes of “Torchwood” and dumped it forever.
Yeah but that beat down was did seem clearly intended to garner the character sympathy. That didn’t offend me so much because they did make clear that the man had no real feelings of guilt over what he had done. I just found the whole thing really disjointed and then throw in out of context homoerotica and it just seemed like a mess of a show. There is just not a lot to like and even the characters aren’t as compelling as in the original Torchwood. Anyway there is plenty of other good sci fi on lately. I’ve been enjoying Alphas, Eureka, Falling Skies, and Haven. :-)
The first season was actually pretty good.
When Jack was kissing men in season 2, I turned it off.
Enter this new abomination, where the stops are all out. You shall tolerate gratuitous, graphic, prolonged gay activity on-screen and like it!
And I will change channels when commercials for it pops up on any other network.
Here is additional reaction from another thread :
Discussing what I now call the Gay Softporn Handbook and Propaganda Manual BBC Show...
TW is just too adult for my tastes - too much weird sex stuff.
Maybe you can torrent the UK version.
19 July 2011
It appears that fans of the British version of Torchwood wont be getting an eye full of Captain Jack Harkness and an unnamed barman despite the fact that it apparently already been broadcast in the US on STARZ. The BBC bosses thought it was too explicit. This, from the network that included a full on nudity scene involving a post-op transsexual in a movie exploring transsexuality.
The Sun reports that a source, which hopefully wasnt hacked into by reporters working for News Corp, that the executives felt that the scenes were just too sexy to show primetime audiences. The source said It wasnt that it was a gay scene that worried people, but just the fact it was such an explicit sex scene, full stop. You can get away with scenes like that on American cable channels, but you cant on primetime BBC1.
A BBC spokeswoman did confirm that this scene was cut along with another that they deemed to be too explicitly violent. She said The UK and US versions of Torchwood are slightly different. However, these differences do not change the story in any way and the strong storylines are first and foremost to the series.
John Borrowman did promise show fans that the new series would be the sexiest yet, and it would include man sex and full-on nudity.
Because, in my case, stripped of the pervert component and advocacy (which adds nothing to the story) it is actually entertainment good enough to be among my favorite regular series.
As a vehicle for pervert propaganda, an otherwise entertaining series commited suicide.
Kind of reminds me of our federal government : You don't like what?
I read a lot of SF and fantasy. A few years ago I read a pair of linked novels that were well recommended on Amazon, I forget the name of the author now—a woman. It turned out that her hero was gay.
Very well written, dramatic, and satisfying, except for that one unfortunate fact right at the center of things. None of the reviews or blurbs had mentioned it.
So, I read on with mixed feelings, having bought the books. No complaints about style, drama, construction. But I won’t buy any more of her books.
Yeah I know what you mean. The original wasn’t so bad but the new one is not even to the edge. I agree it is gratuitous and that aside even the show just isn’t that compelling. They also had a very stupid side track with a Tea Party representative.
I wanted to like this but found early on I couldn’t stand it.
This series has the dubious honor of having one of the worst episodes of any television show i have ever seen It was called “Cyberwoman”. G*d it was baaad!
We have enjoyed Falling Skies but have to admit even that lacks in good writing. At times when you would expect them to be running or hiding they stand and discuss their feelings. ;^)
That's the positive side of these threads; the recognition that there is a new flock of good entertainment, free of the pink mafia indoctrination.
I would add Royal Pains, The Mentalist, Burn Notice, Private Affairs, Suits, Blue Bloods, Against the Wall and Warehouse 13 to that list.
Man does not live by SciFi alone.
I think that is the crux of the reader/viewer anger.
Producers assume that perversion is so "normal" now, that they need not mention it. I certainly agree that graphic gay activity is firmly in the territory of advocacy, regardless of how well the writers otherwise deliver entertainment.
No matter how hard the advocates try, I am not going to accept gay perversion in any form as implicitly "normal."
the nutjobs at studios want the public to live with the meme to “assume all are homosexuals” to avoid offense. (of themselves?) Rather than the appropriate everyone is normal.
This is another reason these shows whould have a vchip tax of “H” for homosexual content. This way they can be edited out of the line up.
What will these deviant producers do when peopel can and are avoiding homosexual shows via the ala cart viewing? (DVR, Internet, v-chip)
Plus: Only about half-a-dozen of the priests accused or convicted of abuse have been pedophiles. The vast majority abused male teenagers.
Wasn’t Elizabeth A. Lynn was it?
Didn’t Warehouse 13 add a gay agent? Don’t know for sure, when I read about it, I just quit watching, too many things else to do with my time.
I'm curious, what makes you believe that is going to come to pass? That we're discussing a show on a subscription only channel leads me to believe that it's not going to happen. I read recently that "premium" cable viewership has already shifted from broadcast viewing to a majority of subscribers catching the shows on demand. Since the show is popular, and folks are going to Starz on Demand to watch it, it doesn't seem like your scenario is likely to come to pass.
Too much homo stuff. I found myself channel surfing during that tripe.
Dr. Who has its own problems. It's anti-gun and definitely atheistic/pro-evolution.
At the moment, they are making a show that will be missing some (though not much) key dialogue if they ever tried to air it on basic cable.
As for Oswald, I haven't seen anything yet that would make him sympathetic. He's being used, but he knows that he is and he's taking advantage of it, so, no, I don't feel for him in the slightest.
EXACTLY. That distinction was intentionally created by the homosexual mafia-—because their intent was always to skew statistics and to legalize—like in some European countries—sex between men and teenagers—as young as 12. The homosexuals and communists infiltrated the Catholic Church as documented by Dodd in the School of Darkness.
There is only one purpose—to destroy Christianity and the natural family, the two pillars of Western Society which creates a civil and free society.
For the last 100 years, Communists have been trying to destroy the concept of God and Capitalism. We have seen the results—we are seeing it in England today—that destruction of Christianity and family = Fascism and chaos which fill the void.
The vile Supreme Court Judge Ginsberg has even advocating the legal age be dropped to 12. What they want is their utopian world of no sexual morality so adults can freely have sex with children.
These Communists want to destroy sexual morality in children to destroy all their future relationships and their ability to be a devoted mother and father. They want to have total control of the minds of the children for indoctrination and enslavement.
Why? Because they were perverted during childhood by abuse and that is where their desire was fixated—at the time of their first sexual trauma.
That is why some males rape babies also...and those babies—if they live—will also rape babies and toddlers.
No. I looked her up on Amazon, and it’s not the same writer. I’m away for the summer, or maybe I could find the books. Can’t remember whether I kept them or not.
my understanding is that it will be going to BBC america.
what do you have to prove that? The fact that a tiny faction continues to view a the homosexual show does not make it mainstream.
The fact that the openening had to be diverted from the regular channels to the low end subscription channel speaks volumes.
Today, I heard a news report on the radio that the APA is considering removing “pedophelia” from the phycho disorder column of mental derangement - ala what they did for homosexuality.
And that’s why social conservatives MUST stay vigilant to stop this evil (and more) from becoming mainstream.
You're absolutely right on Covert Affairs.
As for Necessary Roughness not a chance. I have a permanent disdain for anything related to professional "Sports" (an oxymoron if there ever was one) since around 1975 after a "football strike." Never missed it.
Glad you brought that up, because it illustrates a crucial factor. The difference between "in your face" activism pervert content as opposed to the acknowledging that homosexuality has always been with us as a totally private perversion.
I still enjoy Warehouse 13 as entertainment with the addition of the new character.
He is in essence a "don't ask don't tell" character with not even a hint of his lifestyle, other than a relevant explanation as to why he would never hit on a female character in the group.
So long as this respectful distance persists, I have no problem with the change.
The distinction between homonausea and homophobia is lost on the militant perverts.
I think that you misuunderstand the nature of a la carte service, where we would choose the channels we actually want to watch, as opposed to "packages" where I watch perhaps a total of 20 different channels, but am forced to "take" another 180 I couldn't care less about.
There is an Oprah Channel and a Gay Channel which thankfully, are not among the package I chose (to get Scifi and the Military channels, for example.)
I would even pay a small premium for the convenience of not ever even accidentally encountering another Torchwood.
Incidentally, Starz is an odd duck, I do watch it often because it does broadcast classic movies in HD without commercials.
No, I understand a la carte as it pertains to television perfectly. I just didn't see how it was in any way pertinent to this discussion, since premium channels like Starz, the channel in question have always been a la carte. Simply put, if you don't like what's on Starz, don't buy the damned thing.
I also understand that consumers would be disappointed with a la carte programming as the majority of channels in question, while still cable, are advertiser supported. Cable companies pay pennies for these channels, and the cost to consumers in the end is still pennies.
The increase in administrative costs to handle vastly more intricate subscriptions would likely mean that you'd end up paying more for 50 channels than you were previously paying for the whole 120.
Incidentally, Starz is an odd duck, I do watch it often because it does broadcast classic movies in HD without commercials.
Interesting. Anymore I subscribe to the premium services solely for the original content. Although Camelot was a bit of a downer, Starz scored big with me with the Spartacus saga, which I'm eagerly awaiting the next season.
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