Posted on 08/27/2011 10:53:16 PM PDT by Right Wingnut 2
I just read the text of Rick Perry's remarks to the Border Summit on Aug, 21st 2001. How in the hell is this stuff slipping through the cracks without a single mention in the conservative press? If this had been Obama, Sean Hannity would have been talking about it 24/7 during the last presidential campaign.
There are many passages in the speech that are of great concern to me, but this one really caught my attention.
...Legislation authored by border legislators Pat Haggerty and Eddie Lucio establishes an important study that will look at the feasibility of bi-national health insurance. This study recognizes that the Mexican and U.S. sides of the border compose one region, and we must address health care problems throughout that region. That’s why I am also excited that Texas Secretary of State Henry Cuellar is working on an initiative that could extend the benefits of telemedicine to individuals living on the Mexican side of the border....
Does Rick Perry still support an international health insurance program such as the one he laid out in his speech that day? Will someone in the media please ask him before it's too late?
You can read the entire text of Perry's speech HERE
Trying to find a way to get Mexico to foot part of that bill, especially since the WH won't close our borders, is an attempt to address the problem - instead of ignoring it.
Is that how Perry said "bi-national insurance" would work? Because I see it as a tremendous breech of American Sovereignty, especially with his open borders philosophy.
By the way, did he also want to give Mexico the bill for educating illegal aliens?
I can see it so clearly that he's been acting like a conservative for the last few months because he fully intended to enter the primaries. Sorry to say that you good Texans have a Juan McCain on your hands. I just hope you guys don't get sucked in like the Arizonans did. All those delegates to the National Convention would be a terrible thing to waste.
Next you whako’s are going to go berserk saying we have an INTERNATIONAL CORN AND WHEAT FLOUR PLAN! Oh woeeeeeeeeeeee is me, the country is going to collapse because we sell Mexico and about every other country on the planet CORN AND WHEAT FLOUR!!!! ITS AN INTERNATIONAL PLAN! START FREAKING OUT IMMEDIATELY!
The FedGov has got their hands so deep in Edu money, that while the schools know the percentages, they aren't allowed to ask or record if a person is here illegally.
Take a look at my post to Tammy. That will give you more background. His move to the hard right on immigration and dispensing with the "open borders" approach started several years ago, when violence along the border became a serious issue.
How can you stand NY? Upstate isn't so bad, but downstate...ugh!
For those of you who think the Elites get together once a year to play Pinochle, consider this......
Bill Clinton - Head of State - USA Attends Bilderberg meeting, Germany, 1991 - gets Presidential Nomination Aug 1992.
Tony Blair - Head of State - UK Attends Bilderberg meeting, Greece, 1993 - becomes party leader Jul 1994 - becomes Prime Minister May 1997.
Jack Santer - previous Head of State (sacked for corruption) - Europe Attends Bilderberg, Germany, 1991 - becomes European President Jan 1995.
Romano Prodi - Head of State - Europe On Bilderberg Steering Committee mid 1980’s, attends Bilderberg meeting, Portugal, Jun 1999 - sworn in as President of Europe Sep 1999 (term lasts until Jan 2005).
George Robertson - CEO - NATO Attends Bilderberg meeting, Scotland, 1998 - sworn in as Secretary General of NATO Aug 1999.
Lionel Jospin, participated in Bilderberg 1996. He became Prime Minister of France in 1997 (until 2002).
And Rick Perry attends Bilderberg 2007... They apparently liked what they heard and approve of an Obama vs Perry "election". Good luck with that.
Insurance that's in effect in both countries. That's dangerous?
the Mexican and U.S. sides of the border compose one region
The same is often said of the Toronto-Buffalo region. Does that scare you, too?
If this sort of stuff bothers you, there is little hope.
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He's talking about American doctors, Texas doctors, being able to provide diagnostic services to rural Mexicans via telemedicine. You've probably seen the "remote surgery" and "remote consults" in "futuristic" tv ads before.
Bi-national health insurance is a concept where Mexican nationals, working the United States, would be covered by private US health insurance providers for some services and covered for hospitalizations and other things by the Mexican health care entitlement programs.
Contrast that with our situation today where taxpayers or American premium payers pick up their health care costs.
These initiatives mean less burden on taxpayers and premium payers because Mexico and employers pickup costs, and better healthcare access for people outside metro areas including allowing American doctors to consult on Mexican cases.
This is looks like a very market-based approach to health care problem solving to me.
It attempts to address the serious problem draining our states' safety nets, burdening our private healthcare system because Mexico and employers pay for Mexican workers (and their dependents) rather than Americans, it's provides job opportunities for our health care workers and expands demand and telemedicine gets healthcare where it's badly needed.
Why yes, yes you were.
Tempest is posting URLs.
THAT is a good thing.
Thank you for your answer! I truly have not decided who I support at this point. It is becoming a process of elimination for me. I am realistic enough to know if I do find “my” perfect candidate he/she would not be electable. Not enough people see things the way I do, so I always do have to settle for someone that is more like I want than the others.
This Perry bashing is really nutty here, yesterday, someone was saying he is a homosexual.
Forget this is about Perry or any other candidate. Do you honestly think Mexico is going to pay anything resembling a fair share? I find the idea unbelievable.
That’s disgusting!
Very pragmatic, as it should be.
AUSTIN, Texas—Rick Perry has signed a pledge to back a federal constitutional amendment against gay marriage — a reversal from a month ago when the Texas governor said he so supported individual states’ rights that he was fine with New York’s approval of same-sex marriage.
The pledge by the National Organization for Marriage states that, if elected, Perry will send a Constitutional amendment defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman to the states for ratification, and appoint U.S. Supreme Court and federal judges who will “reject the idea our Founding Fathers inserted a right to gay marriage into our Constitution.”
Sarah Palin attended a Bilderberger meeting...consider this. The Bilderbergers just like every other organization in the US vets presidential candidates. I’m not a bit surprised that wanted to know his stances. Remember CPAC ALPAC, ALIPAC, and the many many Tea Party Org. speeches?
Ok, Bi-National Health Insurance .... what is meant by this?
In what context would a state official use that term? Since this is Texas and not the US, it could only be used in the sense that you have Insurance good for two countries.
There isn’t a National Healthcare in Mexico.
So looks like clap trap junk to me.
I looked it up, it is all U.S. Private insurers .... a private company can do what every the hell they want to
bi-national insurance is by private companies purchased by people through their work, school, or directly that covers them and the dependents in the US and Mexico
http://www.ucop.edu/cmhi/bnhealthinsure.shtml
One thing that has worked, though, is the border disease outbreak detection and warning. Those hits the local news frequently.
Do you understand what he is saying? I see others in the thread are very disturbed by the idea that there can be a “community” that happens to exist on two sides of a national border, as if a border defines a wall of separation.
Texas used to be part of Mexico. There are comunities dating back generations that are separated by the borders chosen for Texas. There are people for who the closest hospitals are across the border, for whom the closest doctors are across the border. There are places where the closes neighbor is the guy with the grazing cattle next door, whose fence happens to be on the border.
If people in those communities would like to have the ability to cross the border to go to a doctor, and it requires a new law for so that health insurance can work across the border, it is absurd that the federal government would block that. People need freedom, and that includes the freedom to buy insurance that will allow them to go to a primary care physician even if they happen to live on the other side of the border.
When Sarah Palin was a young child, her family actually want to CANADA to get health care, because the Canadian facility happened to be the closest to where they were living. Do you think that was an evil thing? (Believe it or not, there were liberals attacking the Palin family for getting health care in Canada, and it was a big fight here).
Freepers leapt to defend Palin against the scurilous charges then, so I think most of them understand that people can cross a national border to get health care.
A couple of days ago I defended the anti-palin folks, noting that they were simply posting short quips calling him names, and not spamming the threads with unrelated links.
Since then, this is at least the 4th time I’ve seen an entire post that looks like a cut-and-paste that is nothing but links to issues that aren’t associated with the article being discussed.
THank you. That clears up the issue — if people on the mexican border don’t get their vaccines, it puts the people on the other side of the border at risk, since people legally cross those borders all the time.
I wonder if some freepers forget that, in addition to an illegal immigration that happens, that millions of people legally cross our borders. They have passports, they have visas, they are allowed to come back and forth.
People from the United states for example go to Tijuana all the time, it’s like a weekend getaway. If there are communicable diseases running rampant because they don’t get vaccines, it puts us as risk. It is a benefit to the United States to define these border regions and to ensure that medical treatment is good for both sides.
So thanks again for putting to rest this stupid argument.
I also agree with your post’s pointing out that if Mexican trucks meet our safety standards, we need to live up to our NAFTA agreements, which was a legally enacted treaty and therefore is the law of the land.
Are there conservatives who believe that legally valid treaties should NOT be enforced because liberals want protectionism?
I guess that's why, after this speech, he was re-elected two times by the people of Texas, and has a majority approval rating. Glad to know you know so much better what is good for the Texas taxpayers than they do.
As a New York taxpayer, you have much bigger problems to deal with than trying to help out the poor, obviously ignorant fools in Texas that you think you know better than.
I’ve been to Niagara falls, which is in your home state. I don’t remember seeing a border fence anywhere. I do remember seeing bridges with non-stop traffic running from Canada to New York, with thousands of people pouring back and forth, spending their days on one side and going back to the other side.
I remember tour groups leaving from each side and going to the other side; people spending money on both sides. I remember places where you could use american dollars on the Canadian side.
A Border Fence is a great idea for places where you don’t want anybody crossing the border. Not such a good idea when it divides communities that otherwise would have a natural desire and purpose to crossing the border regularly.
Second, the article you posted has a false assertion. Perry's pledge is not a reversal from anything, and he already stated that a month ago when his comments were first misconstrued by the liberal press and their fawning supporters.
As the Texas Governor, under current law, he saw no problem with New York enacting their own rules. But he supports a constitutioanal amendment to insure that the federal government never accepts gay marriage (DOMA supposedly did that, but Obama is trying to get that law declared unconstitutional).
Those are not contradictory positions.
Not that we know of — was she ever invited? :-)
Like any foreign traveller or person that is responsible for their own welfare. The people on the other side of the border need to be responsible for their own healthcare and this means that they need to pay for it with their own money instead of bilking America for it.
How does that not make sense? Oh the horror!!! Pay for my own healthcare instead of recieving socialized Perrycare!!!
I don't suppose that makes him a great representative for the party of principles, do you?
And why do you think that people think trucks should be allowed to move "freely"? It's been a long time since this has been debated post-9/11 (as I said, the speech you quoted from was pre-9/11, and it's monumentally stupid to think someone would have a post-9/11 understanding in a pre-9/11 speech), but from what I remember there were to be background checks on the drivers, and port inspections where the trucks were loaded, and spot checks and monitoring.
The idea was that the cargo would be inspected where it was loaded. The union thugs wanted to force mexican trucks to stop at the border and get unloaded and reloaded, which would make it so expensive that the union thugs would get all the business instead.
Why do you think that allowing health insurance that crosses the border means that the United States would pay for it?
You know, until Obamacare, most of us were quite happily paying for our OWN health insurance, and the big issue was whether we could use our own health insurance outside of our regions. Why anybody would think that “bi-national” in 2001 would translate to “America pays for Mexican health care” is beyond me.
I figured eventually some PDSer would use “PerryCare” in this thread.
He is for the NAFTA Highway, so how can he NOT be for NAFTA?
In case you don’t remember, NAFTA is short for North American Trade Agreement, which includes the One Worlder’s North American regional governemtn which is comprised of Mexico, Anerica and Canada as one regi9on.
Perry has nevertheless seemed soft on illegals. As of now i have nobody i’m anxious to vote for.
Me too! Especially when it comes from newbie spammers.
Before they erupt and infect our shores?
How in tarnation does that help when tens of millions of Mexicans continue spread to all points in the U.S.?
Perry was attempting to address a growing concern (the rise in infectious diseases coming up from the border
What has that to do with my questions above?
I don’t plan to support Perry or Romney in the primary. I think that conservatives need to learn more about Perry before jumping on that bandwagon. They made a similar mistake in 1999.
Yeah not fun but so many times that's all you get...
Yeah I'd like proof of that myself...never heard anyone make that claim before...
Nothing wrong with that...
PerryForPOTUS Herman P. Vasquez
Rick Perry doesn’t have an immigration problem. He loves latinos and we love him!
25 Aug
https://twitter.com/#!/PerryForPOTUS
tpgow Shirley Biamonte
La Raza wants more welfare for illegals because of the hurricane. ACORN is trying to register Irene to vote in 13 states and DC.
9 hours ago
https://twitter.com/#!/search/la%20raza
Your blatant bigotry is showing........
PerryForPOTUS Herman P. Vasquez
Rick Perry just caused a storm in my pants
22 Aug
https://twitter.com/#!/PerryForPOTUS
por que gabacho???
ok, I get it, you like Obama, that explains your screaming ‘ you are a racist’ comment
I bet you like this too
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Obama Tells La Raza He Can’t Change Laws ‘On His Own’ (And Then Does): On July 25th Barack Obama told the Nation... bit.ly/r3HWjg
22 Aug
https://twitter.com/#!/search/la%20raza
I do not write these twits..I merely report them...
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