Skip to comments.Latino group claims Aztlán war in next five years
Posted on 08/30/2011 9:27:04 AM PDT by bayouranger
Phoenix-based Nuestros Reconquistos claims that there will be a war very similar to the Civil War fought in the next five years. La Raza and MEChA have already talked to Latinos and Phoenix and explained that Latinos need to arm themselves for war, says Nuestros Reconquistos President Manuel Longoria.
Cecilia Maldonado of Chicanos Unidos Arizona isnt hoping for any sort of war, but believes it may be unavoidable. For generations, our people have prepared us to take back the lands of the Southwest that were stolen from our Mexican ancestors. Because of the bad economy and many racist laws, Latinos will be forced to fight sooner than later, says Mrs. Maldonado.
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The La Raza and MEChA folks are delusional. Period. If they really tried, they might reach the IRA level of terrorist. But that would be their high water mark.
More likely they’d become like the Weathermen or FALN, get a few spectacular attacks in and then spend the rest of the time blowing themselves up trying to build homemade bombs.
All sombrero, no cattle.
Yep, you’re right in that the vast majority of the moors were kicked out. But, I don’t think they went to Mexico. There was quite a large civilization in Mexico when the Spaniards arrived, and their descendants still live there today. Some have Spanish blood, some don’t. They are generally referred to as “Mestizos” Some are great people, some, unfortunately, are not.
Sure, tall talk some might say. I once before backed it up in spades when called on and I will do my damnedest to do it again should the need ever arise again. I may old but I'm not infirm, yet.
The poster I was quoting felt that whites would move away rather than confront. The context was the Wi Fair flashmob, why didn’t the targets band together and fight the mob? That was his answer.
I sort of agree,, I see a lot of people yielding rather than confronting, on lots of fronts not just where race is involved. It’s one reason Alinsky’s Rules work.
Indeed. Las Vegas doesn’t spring up on the desert because of “the land”. For some reason this never dawns on people who want to “take back “their” land.” Maybe for the same reason that it never occurs to them to build it into a good place in the first place. All they know is to take or destroy what others have made. Same as the Middle East.
La Raza, MECHA and any other misguided supporters of the Reconquista, Adm. Isoroku Yamamoto speaks from the grave with an admonition you should heed...
“I fear that we have only awakened a sleeping giant and filled him with terrible resolve...”
You are absolutely right. I was thinking the same thing while reading all the tough talk on this thread, but you said it better than I ever could.
The definitions I gave were the definitions used in Spain and in actual Spanish-speaking countries. In my other Internet lives, on historical and cultural forums based in Spain, I am fluent in Castilian and can read and write Gallego, the regional language of Galicia. Unless I specifically identify myself as American, the other forum members assume that I am a Spaniard. I correspond with Spaniards in Spain several times per week.
I know that you have expressed interest in Galicia in the past. If you want to hear Galician spoken, you can stream GALICIA TV at this link.
In the U.S., where a black man whose African ancestors crossed the Atlantic 250 years ago is an "African American" but a white naturalized American born in South Africa with 250 years of Afrikaner ancestry is not, all rhyme or reason goes out the window.
Earlier today, I was browsing a "Chicano" forum where they were discussing the Latino vs Hispanic vs Mexican vs Chicano topic. The discussion was all over the place, almost everybody was totally confused about what anything meant but, most importantly, ...... the forum posts were all in English.
A lot of these so-called "Chicanos" could not carry on a 30 second conversation in Spanish with a real Mexican if their lives depended on it.
Likewise, look at the cover of "Latina Magazine". What do you notice .... besides the girl?
All the articles are in English. :-)
In correct usage in Spain or in a Spanish-speaking country, Salena Gomez or Mark Sanchez of the New York Jets would be called "Latinos" if they actually spoke Spanish (Castellano) or Portuguese or Gallgo or Catalan or French or Italian or any other Romance language. However, neither Salena Gomez nor Mark Sanchez speak Spanish.
In Spain, they would be called, "Estadounidenses de descendencia mexicana con apellidos hispanos: (U.S. citizens of Mexican descent with Spanish surnames.)
Think: Pablo Escobar’s war against the Colombian government and his terror war against the Colombian people. This led to the forming of Los Pepes death squads that targeted Escobar’s Medellín drug cartel members. The attrition suffered by the members of Escobar’s cartel greatly weakened his organization's effectiveness and control. In the end, Escobar’s organization was brought down by Los Pepes, rival gangs, the Colombian National Police Search Bloc, Delta Force, and Central Spike.
Thanks for the data dense history of “New mexico”.
The Messicans wanting a race war have forgotten the First Law of Genocide - be in the majority.
BTW, all the really big circulation magazines in the US that are oriented toward an Hispanic audience are in English. It's all simple economics.
One of my cousins is married to an individual from Galicia.
Going beyond that, I discovered the Galician version of the Annals of the King that underlie the King Arthur, etc. stories.
I was very disappointed to find that the last speaker of the Gaelic of Galicia died in the 1600s ~ it's been replaced with Gallego (which, depending on whether you liked Franco or disliked him, is usually contrasted to Portuguese or Spanish).
Interesting that you can deal with that language ~ kind of like discovering Ladino for the first time ~ WOW, Latin with a Hebrew accent ~ but that gave the source of the various occupational names so many Jews still use today (which is of interest in genealogy of nothing else).
For what it's worth I was able to pass as a Canadian for quite some time on an early Franco/Breton discussion board ~ simply by using an English/French computer translation program. So much for French eh?!
Today I've tracked the ancestors all the way from the Danube to the Black Sea to various points along the Mediterranean to Spain (to Galicia in fact), and from there to Scota (now Ireland), to Britain (now Alba and England), and from there to Brittany, to the Rhone Valley and finally to Sweden ~ and from there the big leap to America!
It was a heck of a way to study genealogy, and I had to brush up on every language I'd studied in the slightest ~ but thanks to on-line translators my only concern now are the ideomatic expressions.
I'm putting you down on my Galicia, Spain and Gallego memory bank chart.
And let’s hear it for the internet’s Latinas ~ they do their part!
I think they forgot about the Japanese immigrants of the 13th century.
They should take a darned good look at the Salvadorans as well ~ bunch of them could disappear on the streets of Tokyo!
“soooo...you are saying mexicans are just spanish speaking christianized moors?”
I’d describe Messicans as a mixture of Spanish (Christians with lots of Moslim patterns acquired during 700 years of dhimmitude) and Central American Indian cultures.
Never forget the cannibal part of the Indian cultures.
That depends on the generation. The first generation women swear by magazines such as "Vanidades".
One of my cousins is married to an individual from Galicia.
The vast majority of the branches in my family tree come from northern Galicia and western Asturias.
I was very disappointed to find that the last speaker of the Gaelic of Galicia died in the 1600s ~ it's been replaced with Gallego (which, depending on whether you liked Franco or disliked him, is usually contrasted to Portuguese or Spanish). ....Interesting that you can deal with that language ~ kind of like discovering Ladino for the first time ~ WOW, Latin with a Hebrew accent ~ but
Any Gaelic speaker probably lived in some hidden valley where it was able to survive since Latin came in at the end of the Cantabrian Wars at the time of Augustus.
Gallego is the mother tongue of Portuguese as the Reconquista of Portugal preceded south from Galicia.
Both my paternal and maternal great-grandfathers spoke Gallego (the maternal one got his law degree at the University of Santiago de Compostela in 1876) but the language was lost after one generation in Cuba. I started to pick it up again in 1995, when the Internet made access to Galician forums possible. It was difficult at first but, after reading it for so long, I now sometimes do not even notice if I am reading Castilian or Galician on a forum post.
Once I learned Gallego, I came across Portuguese and realized that it was almost the same as Gallego. So, Gallego is defintively closer to Portuguese than to Castilian.
I discovered Ladino, accidentally, in the Tom Hanks movie, "Every time we say goodbye". Although not Jewish, out of curiosity, I studied that too. You can read Ladino posts on the Yahoo group Ladinokomunitas. It is fascinating to be able to understand the posts of Sephardi Israelis whose ancestors left Spain 500 years ago.
Today I've tracked the ancestors all the way from the Danube to the Black Sea to various points along the Mediterranean to Spain (to Galicia in fact), .... I'm putting you down on my Galicia, Spain and Gallego memory bank chart.
Maybe we are cousins 17 times removed. ;-)
Below is a YouTube link to a traditional Galician group playing a muiñeira (jig) with the gaita (Galician bagpipe), drum and strings.
The United States did not steal the Southwest. We kicked Mexican butt all the way to Mexico City. Then, were kind enough to pay Mexico millions of dollars, and let them keep what is now Northern Mexico. Those who OWNED the land KEPT the land. The citizens of the Southwest were happy we did it, as Mexico could/would not protect them from the native Americans, who's butts everyone kicked to take the land. Sorry, it's just the natural order of things.
So we’re going after their women and kids?
‘Cause you know they’ll be coming after ours.
And how do we sort them?
Thanks for your service.
LOL, nope, Kommiefornia.
As are we. “Ready”, that is.
Just in case ping!
Because they say so... and are obviously willing to fight.
And that’s all it takes.
If one side is willing to fight and the other isn’t, the violent side always wins.
Well, at least they aren’t in military intel. One of the questions asked is whether or not you belong to an organization dedicated to the overthrow/destruction of the United States.
And that’s asked during a lie detector test.
I’d say the critical error Japan made in WWII was the rape of Nanking. That act so horrified the American populace that our government then had to act in some way. It chose to restrict trade with Japan.
And the restriction in trade caused the Japanese military to start considering the US as a hostile power, which then led to Pearl Harbor.
The natives who occupied the south west are still there. They live in the New Mexican Pueblos, the Hopi Mesa, the various reservations in Arizona.
These people were not Mexican in any shape or form. They lived there for at least 1500 years of known verifiable occupation.
Thanks for the link! Very informative. Puts a new light on our government’s “Fast and Furious” program.
Everyone who lives in the Southwest knows that illegals carry knives, not guns. Anytime there is a knifing after a drunken night out, we know it is mexicans. So, come one LaRaza - pull that knife on Texans but be ready for our guns.
You speak truth.
Thanks. I appreciate that.
If they think that Mexico is so wonderful, why did they leave that paradise to come here? The best thing we could do to benefit Mexico would be to create a 100% secure border. Then her own citizens would be forced to hold their own government accountable instead of taking the easy path and mooching off my government.
“All sombrero, no cattle.”
I love this reference and had to laugh at Beckel the other day for saying, “the tea party people are all cattle and no hat!” What a maroon!
If they’re already in this country, what difference does a border make?
You said it Ron, if those punks want it bring it on.
Obama and the Dems have just shown us with the immigration stance they have taken on illegals which side they are on. So when La Raza decisdes to strike we will have to fight them and the US Gov, I mean really fight them.
Come on guys, you really don't want a war. Remember, war doesn't accomplish anything.
But, if you must, then I will hunt your leaders down, and skin them alive for the buzzards to eat. Remember, buzzards got to eat too.
Little Barry is so stupid that he thinks he can control such a conflagration. How stupid and foolish. Any military man will tell you that missions are always planned with backup scenarios and backups for the backups for when the Spam hits the fan. When the first shot gets fired, all the best laid plans go out the window and decisions are made based on the tactical scenario.
Neither Barry nor Holder have heard shots fired in anger. If it ever happened to them, they'd be soiling their shorts.
Both these fools think the can “manage” the situation. Nope, but they're delusional to think this. I keep thinking of the Hitler Bunker scene in “The Downfall” — the one that's spawned so many parodies — where Hitler is coordinating the defense of Berlin with units that don't exist and his bigwigs know the end is near. I can see Barry playing the lead and Holder and the other White House staffers filling in the other slots.
I don't want to see such an event happen — no sane person does — but we're not dealing with sane people. Things WILL get out of control.
I tend to agree. if and WHEN it does happen our nations safety will depend upon its military trained men and women past and present and especially so for those of us who have been in combat and dealt with death first hand. The populace at large will too busy wetting all over themselves or pissing and moaning.
Those of us who have shed our own blood and have certainly drawn and shed others blood will be at the ready and will not fear pulling that trigger wherever and whenever needed. That's when most people better quickly decide which side they are going to take.
Thanks but understand it is an entirely different matter when you have you sights set on another human beings face and you have your finger on the trigger and knowing full well that all you have to do is pull that trigger and you take that life in the blink of an eye. Then having to actually look at the corpse that may or may not have a face or even a head on the torso or may have been disemboweled will determine whether you are cut out for combat.
Like the old saying, war ain't pretty. I know. Even after 40 years I still live with the horror and nightmares almost daily even to this day. You never forget. But if called on I will gladly put my life on the line once again for my fellow American freedom loving patriotic American. I have no disillusions about the savages of war and you shouldn't either. I wouldn't like it but hey it is what it is.
Ron I have fought and killed both communists and terrorists and have been living with it for the last forty years. But if my country can send me half way around the world to kill people that never done anything to me personally then I will have no problem at all fighting people that try to destroy my country on our own soil. There are so many people out there that want to destroy the USA, domesticc and foriegn, that it is inevitable.
I do not look forward to what is coming but I stand at the ready just as you are I'm sure.
With all due respect: you have to ask?
Response: Agreed! Further, they will win.
Comment: "Hundreds of terror stricken whites will flee one irate Mexican."
Response: Irate Mexican, meet one heavily armed, well trained, highly motivated and thoroughly pissed off white guy.
No, it sure isn't. When the time comes to defend myself, my family and my civilization, I have only one ROE - kill them all. They set the rules themselves long ago. Too bad for them.
Unfortunately, you may be the only one that is PO’d. To paraphrase Ole Bob Dylan: There was nobody there to bluff.
I won’t be alone.
LOL - good point.