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White House Signals New Push for Value-Added Tax?
ATR ^ | 2011-08-30 | John Kartch

Posted on 08/30/2011 9:32:36 AM PDT by 92nina

...President Obama, who in April 2010 deemed a VAT “something that would be novel for the United States”, announced on Monday his intention to nominate Princeton University’s Alan B. Krueger to head the Council of Economic Advisors. In a 2009 blog post for the New York Times, Krueger wrote: “Why not pass a 5 percent consumption tax to take effect two years from now?”

Even when pressed, the Obama White House has never ruled out a VAT. As the timeline below illustrates, those in and around the White House have been flirting with a VAT from the earliest days:

December 18, 2008: The Obama transition team announces VAT advocate Ezekiel Emanuel’s appointment as special advisor for healthcare at the Office of Management and Budget. Emanuel had long pushed for a VAT as a way to pay for government-funded universal healthcare.

Sept. 25, 2009: John Podesta, former head of Obama’s transition team, floats the VAT on Bloomberg Television’s “Political Capital with Al Hunt”: “There’s going to have to be revenue in this budget,” said Podesta,

A so-called consumption tax would “create a balance” with European and Japanese economies and “could potentially have a substantial effect on competitiveness,” said Podesta. Podesta said such a tax may be regressive, but can be balanced by exempting some products and using “the money to support low-wage workers.”

Sept. 29, 2009: Obama advisor Paul Volcker suggests a carbon tax and a VAT as a way to raise large amounts of revenue. "Those are the two big ones. I'd love to see the expenditures held in check so we don't have to do that."

Sept. 30, 2009: The Center for American Progress—a group with close White House ties—releases a draft report encouraging the Obama Administration to consider a VAT. The report concludes...

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Although the imposition of a value-added tax (VAT) would violate President Barack Obama’s central campaign promise – a “firm pledge”

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1 posted on 08/30/2011 9:32:39 AM PDT by 92nina
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To: 92nina
So, a twofer. They want a VAT to impoverish Americans so they can no loner afford the products made in America, and they want a carbon tax so we all have to move to Mississippi for the winter months.

They are NUTZ.

2 posted on 08/30/2011 9:34:41 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: 92nina

In Europe they add that into the item so it is not necessarily noticed. However, I am sure here they wouldn’t do that and you would end up with federal, state and VAT on the receipt. Is this going DIRECTLY to the debt?????


3 posted on 08/30/2011 9:37:46 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: 92nina
We already have a VAT.

It is called the "corporate income tax."

The federal government is just looking for a new pocket to pick.

4 posted on 08/30/2011 9:39:42 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Palin is coming, and the Tea Party is coming with her.)
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To: muawiyah

Trial balloon.

Run it up the flagpole and see who salutes.

Owebama must have heard Americans want to be taxed more on his million dollar “listening tour.”


5 posted on 08/30/2011 9:40:16 AM PDT by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: 92nina

So the new ‘Austen Goolsbee’ (Alan Krueger) is the same old Austen Goolsbee (aka Christina Roamer)?

All academics think the same way? They only have on playbook, and that is the golden rule they will follow no matter what?


6 posted on 08/30/2011 9:40:48 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: 92nina
...President Obama, who in April 2010 deemed a VAT “something that would be novel for the United States”,

That's true. Never before in America have so many people been so enslaved and so oppressed by their own government. Never before have we lost so much liberty in such a short time.

7 posted on 08/30/2011 9:41:39 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: napscoordinator

Look at the groups pushing this. They are not going to use it pay down the Debt, they want it to spend on new “gimme” programs.


8 posted on 08/30/2011 9:42:38 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: muawiyah

So, a twofer. They want a VAT to impoverish Americans so they can no loner afford the products made in America, and they want a carbon tax”

Actually, it’s a three-fer. they don;t want it to start for two years - when a Republican is in office.


9 posted on 08/30/2011 9:42:51 AM PDT by wilco200 (11/4/08 - The Day America Jumped the Shark)
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To: 92nina

What??? How??

I ALREADY have the ‘Obamacare dil&^’ up my hoo ha NOW, how are they going to shove the ‘VAT dil&* up there???


10 posted on 08/30/2011 9:43:34 AM PDT by SMARTY (A claim for equality of material position can be met only by a government with totalitarian powers.)
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To: 92nina
This is a REALLY bad idea. For those who don't know, a VAT tax is levied at any point in the production process where that process adds value to the final product. Milton Friedman pointed out years ago that, for something as simple as a loaf of bread, there are 67 steps in the production process. Can you imagine the administrative morass this kind of tax will entail, let alone the number of new agencies and bureaucrats that will have to be hired? While this fits in with Obozo's Marxists leanings, it should make the rest of us scream at our representatives in Washington: DON'T YOU DARE PASS SUCH A TAX.
11 posted on 08/30/2011 9:44:32 AM PDT by econjack (Some people are dumber than soup.)
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To: 92nina

Liberals will not be happy until those of us who work for a living are forced to use our savings and assets to pay for our daily needs...while those who do not work are fat, well-heeled and worry-free because our decline funds that check they receive every week/month/day/hour.

A VAT on top of income taxes, sales taxes, excise taxes, registration fees, property taxes, the forced purchase of health insurance...remember that kid’s game from the 1970s, “Don’t Tip the Waiter”?


12 posted on 08/30/2011 9:45:19 AM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: 92nina

VAT tax on car sales and home sales will go over really well. </sarcasm>


13 posted on 08/30/2011 9:46:52 AM PDT by tellw
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To: 92nina

A VAT will destroy the country. Or more accurately, destroy it more and faster.

Treason! Treason! Treason!


14 posted on 08/30/2011 9:47:10 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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To: 92nina
Obama: "I want tax hikes!"
Republicans: "Not gonna happen."

Obama: "But I really want tax hikes!"
Republicans: "Not gonna happen."

Obama: "Here's an idea. Something different. Something you're really gonna like -- a stupid tax hike."
Republicans: "We'll check with Boehner."

15 posted on 08/30/2011 9:47:10 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: 92nina

The tax-Collector right out of Popeye comix...and why not all is fair game in today’s america....


16 posted on 08/30/2011 9:48:13 AM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: 92nina

And the prefolded Weeper of the house will go along with this?


17 posted on 08/30/2011 9:48:16 AM PDT by Cheetahcat (Carnival commie side show, started November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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To: 92nina

A VAT is a great way to clog the arteries of any economy. Just a nice little coat of taxes covering everything. What could go wrong?


18 posted on 08/30/2011 9:49:00 AM PDT by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: MNJohnnie

Of course they want more , and like you said , Not one dime will go to pay down the debt.

We have the Feds looking for new tax’s, States looking foe more tax’s, County looking for more tax’s. Then we have the EPA wanting to put coal out of business so we cannot turn on the electric. We have the Feds stop[ping drilling so fuel is higher, then we have the feds subsidising Green technology that doesn’t work.

Got dam How much blood do they think they can get out of us.

They give us 1,2 % on our savings and raise inflation by 3%, we are losing money every time we save it.

The Government wants to take it all and feed us like they feed the people in N. Korea. How much more of this sh!t do they think we are going to take?


19 posted on 08/30/2011 9:49:12 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: napscoordinator

“I am sure here they wouldn’t do that and you would end up with federal, state and VAT on the receipt.”

My understanding of the VAT is that it’s invisible to the purchaser. Each manufacturer along the way pays the value added tax on the product he buys. The next manufacturer pays for his additions. So, company A buys a barrel of oil and refines it to plastic base material. Company B buys the base material and pays the VAT on it and makes a cell-phone case. Company C buys the cell phone case, pays the VAT, and builds a cell phone into it. Company D buys the cell phone, pays the VAT and sells the cell phone at retail. The retail customer sees state and federal taxes only. The various VAT’s are incorporated into the final taxed price.

Incidentally, a VAT will increase the price which will increase the take on the federal, state and local taxes on that item. As we know, increased prices lead to lower demand. The take on the federal, state and local taxes may drop, prompting the various agencies to raise their taxes to compensate.


20 posted on 08/30/2011 9:49:12 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Gen.Blather

VAT has made made tax evasion a national sport in the EU


21 posted on 08/30/2011 9:52:25 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: LostInBayport

$670 BILLION In Tax Increases Under Obama!

The House Ways and Means Committee released a list today of the more than $670 billion in tax increases that Democrats have signed into law since January of 2009, when Barack Obama took office. The list includes “at least 14 violations of the President’s pledge not to raise taxes on Americans earning less than $200,000 for singles and $250,000 for married couples,” totaling more than $316 billion in tax increases for middle class families. Texas Congressman John Carter takes it a step further, outlining additional tax increases that are scheduled to take effect automatically over the next three years.

http://www.redstatereport.com/2010/04/670-billion-in-tax-increases-under-obama/


22 posted on 08/30/2011 9:57:12 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: econjack
something as simple as a loaf of bread, there are 67 steps in the production process

The "poor", or those on food stamps, will still dine well. They won't have to pay for anything. They'll still be referred to as "the poor", but will eat like kings.

23 posted on 08/30/2011 9:59:03 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: wilco200
That's so they can do the thing they do with Reagan ~ where they say "the taxes were higher under Reagan" ~ which is true for his first couple of years until he got reform.

Democrats do plan ahead on their campaign lies. Now if we could just get them to plan ahead on the business of government.

24 posted on 08/30/2011 9:59:07 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: rdcbn
The other evil of a VAT will be the way they implement it.

You can guarantee a US VAT will be set up so authority to raise the VAT rate handed off to some bureaucracy like the IRS so no Congress-critter will ever have to go on record as voting to raise it.

NO tax hikes, not new taxes, not one more dime for DC.

We do not have a taxing problem in this country, we have a spending problem. EVEN if you tax every penny over $250,000 at 100%, you still only get enough money to fund the Federal Government for 141 days.

25 posted on 08/30/2011 10:01:19 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: 92nina

I’ma put it to you this way, Barry, you sissy.

Put a VAT tax on goods in this country and so help me God I will never buy anything from inside the borders of the USA again.

I’ll leave the country if I have to.

I ain’t payin you one mother ****in cent more, ya feel me?


26 posted on 08/30/2011 10:06:34 AM PDT by chris37 (representative)
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To: 92nina
That would do it. That move would push us over the brink completely.

Soros' and Obambi's ultimate dream would finally be realized.

27 posted on 08/30/2011 10:17:09 AM PDT by comebacknewt (Sheesh. Go away and stay away Newt.)
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To: 92nina

The problem is not the method of tax COLLECTION. The problem is SPENDING. We have to get that under control first and the first step to accomplishing that goal is to get Obummer and the Dems out of office.


28 posted on 08/30/2011 10:19:47 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: econjack

I have great faith that the conservative republicans in the senate will oppose this measure——NOT.

Awaiting the blathering RINO’s to go at a full gallop in support.


29 posted on 08/30/2011 10:38:53 AM PDT by sarge83
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To: 92nina

“Why not pass a 5 percent consumption tax to take effect two years from now?”

Why not 50% immediately? /s


30 posted on 08/30/2011 10:41:10 AM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: Steel Wolf

Murphy’s Law is swaying in the wind on this one.


31 posted on 08/30/2011 10:41:40 AM PDT by 92nina
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To: 92nina

The federal government is eyeing the crumbs left on our diminishing plate and wondering why we need to keep so many crumbs. FUBO!


32 posted on 08/30/2011 10:42:37 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (When scraping bottom of political barrel, the top layer of scum candidates isn't better than bottom.)
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To: econjack

Agreed


33 posted on 08/30/2011 10:43:23 AM PDT by 92nina
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To: 92nina

Would the imposition of a VAT have to be voted on by the congress and or senate???


34 posted on 08/30/2011 10:45:12 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) an affirmative action mistake)
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To: 92nina
Podesta said such a tax may be regressive, but can be balanced by exempting some products and using “the money to support low-wage workers.”

IOW: Redistribution.

35 posted on 08/30/2011 2:00:53 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (O-blame-r)
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To: 92nina; Morpheus2009; Quix; Joya; M. Espinola; Chunga85; TigerLikesRooster; sushiman; Ronin; ...
Feds May Seize All Liberty Dollars !

Excerpt:

* * * Officials with the U.S. Attorney’s Office said on August 24 that the coins are contraband The Secret Service, the federal agency responsible for confiscating counterfeit money, did not provide any definitive comments concerning under what circumstances Liberty Dollars would be seized, according to Paul Gikes of Coin World.

The coins are illegal even if they are not used for barter, the feds insist. Jill Rose, chief of the August 24 that the Liberty Dollar medallions are confiscable as contraband if they are being exhibited for educational purposes or held privately. * * *

Obama's corrupt government and the Federal Reserve planned this move in advance -- to strip all careful investors of their silver holdings. The government lured you in with a horrific "bait and switch" scam. Now they plan to rape you without mercy. A few people argue that Bernanke ought to be strung up by mobs in the street -- but such lawless conduct will never happen. Not ever. "Mr B" is untouchable as is King Zero.
36 posted on 08/30/2011 2:27:40 PM PDT by ex-Texan (Ecclesiastes 5:10 - 20)
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To: ex-Texan

We as a nation don’t have silver, and silver is acting like a currency lately.

This is a cheap way to get some silver, and get the average Joe to worry about not buying gold or silver because the gov might just take it way.

Can’t have the sheeple waking up tooo soon, now can we?


37 posted on 08/31/2011 10:21:11 AM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: 92nina

Apparently Obammy feels the economy isn’t depressed enough.


38 posted on 08/31/2011 10:28:40 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: 92nina

1. If the law says that a consumption tax is implemented upon repeal of the 16th amendment, I’m OK.

2. NST beats VAT, because the voters feel it when they pay.

3. I don’t see how transferring more money from private hands to the government will help the economy.


39 posted on 08/31/2011 1:07:54 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Are you better off now than you were four trillion dollars ago?)
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