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Survival Boards ^ | 9/2/11 | Kevin

Posted on 09/02/2011 12:36:52 PM PDT by Kartographer

When someone says “survival food preps” or “stockpiling survival food“, what do you think of? Do you think of tons of dried rice and beans stored in mylar bags? How about a basement full of #10 cans, does that come to mind? Or is it a combination of several things?

When I was thinking of writing an article about survival food preps, the first thing that popped into my head was – MREs, canned goods and garden seeds. But where does perishable goods fit into that narrow picture? For the first week or so people are going to be eating stuff out of their freezer. For the sake of discussion, lets move past that first week post SHTF. Something bad has happened, the food in the grocery stores has dried up, people have gone through their immediate perishable food items,,,, now what?

A book about the Roman military I just finished reading contained a quote from an ancient historian – “nothing caused as much stress within the troops as the lack of supplies.” Just like it says, when the supplies started to run low, the stress level went up. 2,000 years later, and nothing has changed.

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1 posted on 09/02/2011 12:36:56 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

PING!


2 posted on 09/02/2011 12:38:01 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Food supply - ping


3 posted on 09/02/2011 12:39:08 PM PDT by TNoldman (AN AMERICAN FOR A MUSLIM/BHO FREE AMERICA.)
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To: Kartographer

How many weeks or months worth of food should we store?


4 posted on 09/02/2011 12:40:26 PM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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To: Kartographer

It should be clear to all that the world’s economy is on life support and the doctors are all ‘quacks’! Sooner or latter are the spinning plates are going to start to tumble and there is going to be on hell of a mess!

What kind of a mess you ask, well I think that we are in for something like the collapse of Argentina ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yerKMQc7-w&feature=grec_index )but on a global scale. Additionally I think we will see a much more violent version. As recent events show (Flash Mobs, UK riots, etc)we have a larger entitlement minded population and a the US has a much more violent and armed population than Argentina. I see many many small business wiped out by flash mob looting, and see rape, robbery and murder for murder sake. Many of these ‘yutes’ will think no more about killing you than most people think about stepping on a roach. That will be the test of many. Most preppers I know are Christian people and they will hesitate to do what they might have to do to stop the ‘yutes’. On the other hand the ‘yutes’ won’t think twice nor lose a minute of sleep, in fact they will smile and laugh about it.

Think of this quote which is one of my favorites:

“Star Trek: Deep Space Nine: The Siege of AR-558 (#7.8)” (1998)
Quark: Let me tell you something about Hew-mons, Nephew. They’re a wonderful, friendly people, as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people... will become as nasty and as violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon. You don’t believe me? Look at those faces. Look in their eyes.

Now go look at some of the videos of the riots in the UK and of some of the flash mobs here in the US and look into there eyes.

For those who are just starting or are old hands at prepping you may find my Preparedness Manual helpfull. You can download it at:

http://www.tomeaker.com/kart/preparedness1i.pdf

For those of you who haven’t started already it’s time to prepare almost past time maybe. You needed to be stocking up on food guns, ammo, basic household supplies like soap, papergoods, cleaning supplies, good sturdy clothes including extra socks, underwear and extra shoes and boots, a extra couple changes of oil and filters for your car, tools, things you buy everyday start buying two and put one up.

As the LDS say “When the emergency is upon us the time for preparedness has past.”

Or as the bible says: A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.
NIV Proverbs 22:3

Lastly this for the doubters and the scoffers.

“There is no greater disaster than to underestimate danger.

Underestimation can be fatal.”


5 posted on 09/02/2011 12:43:20 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

I have a nice mix. Plus some barter stuff.


6 posted on 09/02/2011 12:44:34 PM PDT by kimmie7 (I do not think BO is the antichrist, but he may very well be 665.)
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To: Natural Law

Start out for a month’s worth, then work your way up to three then six. Me I like to have a year’s worth like the Mormons recomend, but I need to make some more room. There is a food savings plan in my Preparedness Manual you might like to take a look at.


7 posted on 09/02/2011 12:47:28 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Natural Law

“How many weeks or months worth of food should we store?”

I’m not a Mormon but one idea of theirs that my family has embraced is the notion of having 12 months’ worth of food on hand just in case you need it. You really have to get into the spirit of rotating food in and out of stock (FIFA: First In, First Out) but after a while it becomes 2nd nature.

And not all disasters involve floods, quakes, and civil insurrections and economic collapses. Some disasters simply include things like having a working family member being disabled. Having that cushion of food to fall back on means you can divert precious resources to other things, like bills, in a family crisis.


8 posted on 09/02/2011 12:47:32 PM PDT by MeganC (Are you better off than you were four years ago?)
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To: Natural Law

Enough to supplement your garden and other food producing systems until you get them up to full self-sufficiency levels.

Don’t go buy a year’s worth of stuff right away. Just buy more than you use every trip to the grocery store.

Need 2 cans of beans? Buy 3, and if they’re on sale, buy 6 or 10.

You’ll save money this way anyway because you don’t HAVE to buy when items are not on sale, just use what you have already bought. And food will NOT be decreasing in price, so anything you buy now saves money in the future.


9 posted on 09/02/2011 12:50:21 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Kartographer; All

I’m still confused about the actual shelf-life of commercial canned goods. For example, I bought a 4-pack of 5 oz tuna in water with an expiration date of June 2014 - how much longer after that date is it good? What about a can of chicken noodle soup (that I haven’t thrown out yet) with an expiration date of July 2010?

Thanks for any assistance you can provide.


10 posted on 09/02/2011 12:50:25 PM PDT by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: Kartographer

Where can one get MRE’s? How much do they cost per unit?


11 posted on 09/02/2011 12:55:58 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Kartographer

I’d love to lay in some MREs but the prices have gotten pretty expensive. I remember getting them for really short money a few years back.


12 posted on 09/02/2011 1:00:09 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Deploy. Dominate. Disappear.)
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To: Kartographer

There is a misnomer about #10 cans of freeze dried food being expensive. I have found small packs of dried fruit on sale half price in grocery stores which were still double the cost of the #10 can equivelent.


13 posted on 09/02/2011 1:03:28 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

You’re really not supposed to be able to buy real MREs. You can get alternate ‘alikes’ from the same manufacturers, though....


14 posted on 09/02/2011 1:03:33 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

We bought some last year at a military surplus store when we just happened up on one while traveling.


15 posted on 09/02/2011 1:08:35 PM PDT by Twinkie (ANYBODY BUT OBAMA !!!)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

http://www.bing.com/shopping/12-mre-meals/p/DD310D744735E63C5003?q=mre+&lpf=0&lppc=15&lpq=mre&FORM=CMSMEE


16 posted on 09/02/2011 1:09:07 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: EdReform
I hit a sale of campbells chicken noodle soup thinking SOMEONE would eat it but it just sits there, and expiring as we speak....

I can't stand the stuff....LOL....

generally, I will use exp canned goods but I boil the heck out of them for over 10" to kill any botulism...I have had to throw some small cans of tomato paste out once because when I opened it, it literally just exploded out of the can...too much pressure...I didn't trust it....

17 posted on 09/02/2011 1:10:16 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Kartographer
Care must be given not to store food products with animal by-products, such as dried milk or butter. The animal fats can go rancid over the years and poison the food.

I would suggest not storing anything for "years" except maybe canned foods, if you buy a whole lot on sale. Generally you should be eating what you store, so nothing ever needss to be over a year or two old. If it is, you aren't eating it. If you don't want to eat the stuff at all now, why would you want to live in it, given a choice? I have a lot of rice, beans, canned foods, dried potatoes, etc. on hand, but I like all that stuff. I just buy more as I use it up. One thing I should do is start making jerky agian. I used to make it all the time, but I haven't for a while. Great survival food, especially with dried beans and rice.

18 posted on 09/02/2011 1:11:02 PM PDT by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

Military surplus stores and gun shows tend to have MREs, individual or cased. Figure $6-7 each. If they’re marked “not for civilian sale” or some such, are in a tan opaque sack, and have the brown spoon, they’re probably real; if not, may be close enough to what you want as to not matter. http://www.mreinfo.com/ has more on them than you want to know.


19 posted on 09/02/2011 1:13:37 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: Kartographer

$1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/
Might give you some ideas about what can be stocked up cheap.


20 posted on 09/02/2011 1:15:39 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS; Bloody Sam Roberts

Sportsmansguide.com has a case of 12 for about$70 (+shipping).
MREdepot. Has higher calorie with a heater pack case for $96 (+shipping $18)

I use MRE’s for travel emergencies (car boat) and rotate my stock by using during hunting & fishing trips. Other more cost effective food for other situations. I’m thinking of life boat type rations for the car just for more compact storage. Don’t forget the water.

Figure $6-$8 per emergency meal. I paid $8.40 for a Happy Meal plus a burger W/coffe the other day. More calories in the MRE. Just for reference.


21 posted on 09/02/2011 1:18:45 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: Cold Heart

Thanks.


22 posted on 09/02/2011 1:22:22 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Gaffer; Twinkie; mad_as_he$$; ctdonath2

Thanks to all. I think it is time to start storing. At least there are only two of us.


23 posted on 09/02/2011 1:29:39 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Natural Law

We have 12 mos but are still picking up stuff. Costco has a 4 pack of cans of roast beef on sale today for $10.99. We bought some as the best price in the grocery was $3.19 per can.


24 posted on 09/02/2011 1:39:13 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Kartographer

ping


25 posted on 09/02/2011 1:47:19 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: MeganC

My father was in the Air Force and was told to have a store of food and we always did. As an adult I have always kept a lot of food on hand and in the first 6 months of 2009 when we were on the edge of bankruptcy, I only spent about 50 bucks a month on food.


26 posted on 09/02/2011 1:58:43 PM PDT by tiki
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To: kimmie7; All

What’s your fave barter stuff, de jour? Liquors, wines? Expensive, cheap? Just curious what y’all think ;)


27 posted on 09/02/2011 2:03:22 PM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: EdReform

I don’t think anyone can give an exact answer but here’s a little story that might give you some idea:

I once worked on a construction project where a number of abandoned homes had been bought up and then destroyed to make room for a shopping center. At one point I saw a mason jar sticking out of a pile of sand. I picked it up and found it full of home-canned spiced pears. After some deliberation, I opened the jar and smelled the contents. Everything seemed fine so I took a small bit of the juice on the tip of my tongue. Still no problem. Fiinally, throwing caution to the wind, I had a real taste and was rewarded with a wonderful dessert for my dry sandwich lunch.

Those pears had been canned at least five or six years before and were still good. Now, my wife and I can, dry or freeze everything from apples to zuchini. With a modicum of care, I would have no qualms about eating any of it ten years down the road.

I’ve worked in commercial cannerys and - while they’re messy - they’re also pretty careful about cleanliness where it counts. They may not give a rat’s backside about each of us but they still don’t want to be sued.


28 posted on 09/02/2011 2:28:05 PM PDT by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: Jane Long

Barter?

Simple things that are elevated in value by circumstance and not subject to rapid devaluation by time decay:

matches, pints and 1/2 pints of hard liquor, ammo (although supplying potential adversaries with ammo is ill-advised), nails and screws, toiletries particularly the king of trading items toilet paper, water purification tablets and chlorine bleach, cheapo tools you buy at yard sales, candles and lamp oil, wire and barbed wire, firewood, protein sources: eggs if you have chickens, meat if you have chickens or hogs, veggies you grow in your garden, seeds, skilled labor like engine repair, carpentry,gunsmithing, or masonry, medicinal herbs, spices, security expertise and protection, knowledge, inspiration, and real leadership. Get ready Jane...the hour is short.


29 posted on 09/02/2011 2:30:40 PM PDT by CharlesThe Hammer
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To: Natural Law

How many weeks or months worth of food should we store?—

I store for different events.

Say, a small event like ice storm in my area, 3-5 day event. For my area. If it’s really bad, say even 2 weeks of no power. I won’t be waiting on anyone to ‘come rescue me’ and be thirsty or starving in the dark, as I wait...
And it’s about more than water and food, it’s about how to have clean water, a warm meal, stay warm when it’s cold outside or at night or temperatures are below freezing...

Last winter a snow plow came down my road, once. All year. Snow events for me are a different thing. I use a 4 wheeler with a snow plow to clear the roads to the main road, in case an emergency vehicle is needed. Not just for me, but my neighbors as well. That means I have to have gasoline, even though I might not be able to get to a gas station.
If they can get an emergency vehicle to the neighbors, when it’s needed, I don’t have to worry about leaving my own home during a storm or disaster etc. It sounds to them like I do it for them, but maybe it’s for me and mine?
We also have a road nearby that floods. Not my home, but it hampers being able to get in and out. Most neighbors aren’t prepared, So I have to be stocked in case of that for practically any short term event, well I don’t ‘have’ to be, I could watch others suffer or die.

I plan for events that happen in my area. And for the events that don’t. Like the 500 year events..
Dream up the worst thing that can happen, even though it doesn’t normally in your area, and prepare for it.

I do not have to worry about my home flooding, from the bottom. But what if a storm or tornado blows my roof off or part of my roof off and inches of rain fall inside? That’s considered ‘flooding’ these days by the insurance companies.

I do not live within 150 miles of a nuclear plant. But that has to be considered. Most ignore this as ‘it couldn’t happen here’ but it definitely can happen, anywhere.

I do have to consider fire as in forest fire. I have a bug out bag with 3 days worth of food and supplies for me and every member of my family, to get me to another location and sustain myself and my family members til we get to a safe location til a fire event would be over. I have a plan too. Where to go. Either family in another state, or a place about an hours drive away. In this instance, I would probably go out of state because if it is a forest fire, it could potentially travel...

What if a terrorist attack happens and everyone tries to leave the city at once?
Gas stations are full and out of gas, people have no money and they are hungry...

I don’t have to worry to much about earthquakes. But I’m prepared as I can be.

I don’t just store for ‘events’. I also store because of inflation. I have not had to pay the current price for beef. I’m using beef I had stored years ago. yes, Years ago. Vegetables and fruit too.
I pressure can, beef, pork, chicken, turkey, bacon, ham, soups, stews etc. Yes those can be canned.

I dehydrate too, vacuum seal it, it’s good for decades. I’ts worth the cost of a $1 rubber sealed bucket with lid and the cost of a mylar bag.
I’m using rice that I paid .15 cents a pound for that I had stored. Imagine a 5 pound bag of rice for .75 cents. Sure beats the current price.

For me, the best part is, I don’t have to pay the current price of food stuffs, and won’t have to in the future when it really gets bad. And it will get way worse.

I don’t just store for myself. I store for neighbors too, for short term events. I have elderly and handicap neighbors, who wouldn’t be able to sustain themselves more than 2-3 days, if that!

I have back up ways of cooking and heating for these events.

So, there are different reasons to store. Preparedness, disasters, terrorist attacks, contamination, pandemics, flood, fires . wealth preservation, etc.

I, personally, consider long term storage as wealth protection.

Imagine events where there is no electric to your area. Or no gas. Events that could affect your area. No electric for 10 days could mean no stores, no gas, no ATM’s.

So, to start, just having a few days supplies, could mean saving your life. Especially clean water.
You can go days and days and days without food. But you can’t without water. Water is almost more important, by that I mean urgent, than food.

Start small,a gallon of water for each person in your family for a minimum of 3 days. Build from there. It’s easy to do.
Then maybe consider 3 breakfasts, 3 light lunches, 3 dinners and snacks for all family members for 3 days. Then build from there. And many need to realize meeting caloric intake doesn’t necessarily mean having 3 meals a day...it can be done with ‘survival type biscuits’ etc for a few days...It’s o.k. for most Americans to skip a meal, and still meet caloric and nutritional intake needs. Might want to store vitamins.

The amount to store varies, depending on how many in your family, and what the event is...

Personally, If you have the space, I don’t think a person can store too much.
The government says to store 3 days, 10 days 3 months etc. That’s how long it might take til they can come and ‘rescue’ you. I ain’t waitin on the government to ‘rescue me’...

And for me, ‘storing’ doesn’t just mean for water and food.
What if a major catastrophe happens and there’s no doctor, or roads are blocked and can’t get to a hospital? Or martial law is declared? or there is no law...

Depends on what event you are preparing for.

In long term events, my short term plans are discarded, the plan changes.

There will be deaths, sicknesses etc. Then it’s me and mine, and them and theirs...

I guess the point is, I have a plan. Maybe that’s really where to start.

Didn’t mean to write a book. But I thought you were asking seriously, and there is a lot to think about. Which is more than having a few days worth of water and food.

Research, read, plan. Fulfill the plan.


30 posted on 09/02/2011 2:36:28 PM PDT by Freddd (NoPA ngineers.)
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To: Kartographer

I got my vacuum Food Saver thingie. I can’t wait to try it out.

I got it at Bed, Bath, and Beyond and used the 20% off coupon on it.


31 posted on 09/02/2011 2:42:52 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Kartographer
"A book about the Roman military I just finished reading contained a quote from an ancient historian – 'nothing caused as much stress within the troops as the lack of supplies.'"

Hard times, you know.

Horse meat faces ban in Italy
The Telegraph
By Nick Pisa in Rome
6:20AM GMT 08 Feb 2010
Excerpt:
"Italy is the largest consumer of horsemeat in Europe with more than 48,000 metric tonnes eaten every year and it is a common dish among youngsters because of its high iron content."

And there's always the suburban livestock. Barking good pie, anyone? Meow stew?

[Little humor there.]


32 posted on 09/02/2011 2:49:52 PM PDT by familyop ("Plan? There ain't no plan!" --Pigkiller, "Beyond Thunderdome")
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To: Kartographer

Oops...the link:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/7182202/Horse-meat-faces-ban-in-Italy.html


33 posted on 09/02/2011 2:51:33 PM PDT by familyop ("Plan? There ain't no plan!" --Pigkiller, "Beyond Thunderdome")
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To: Kartographer

food prep


34 posted on 09/02/2011 2:54:07 PM PDT by quintr
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To: EdReform

Don’t sweat it! As long as the cans aren’t bulging... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2603220/posts


35 posted on 09/02/2011 2:56:30 PM PDT by djf (One of the few FReepers who NEVER clicked the "dead weasel" thread!! But may not last much longer...)
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To: Kartographer

It’s interesting to see so many people suddenly interested in food storage. Some of us have grown and prepared our own food and stored it for the purpose of saving money.


36 posted on 09/02/2011 2:57:26 PM PDT by familyop ("Plan? There ain't no plan!" --Pigkiller, "Beyond Thunderdome")
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To: oldfart

Read my link from the above post. The Bertrand, when it was discovered, and even today, remains the single largest collection of Civil War era items on the planet. tens of thousands 0 if not hundreds of thousands - of items.


37 posted on 09/02/2011 3:00:55 PM PDT by djf (One of the few FReepers who NEVER clicked the "dead weasel" thread!! But may not last much longer...)
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To: call meVeronica

Bump


38 posted on 09/02/2011 3:19:02 PM PDT by call meVeronica
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

If you are not used to eating MRE’s you won’t be able to take a dump for a week.


39 posted on 09/02/2011 4:00:24 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

MREs are about the most expensive source of storage food. ‘Real’ MREs or govt issued are not allowed to be sold commercially. There are several companies which take the same stuff (pretty much) and sell them without the military packaging.

I won’t buy them on ebay or similiar place because you don’t know how old they are. There are many sources of decent product such as nitro-pak.com. This is a case where you get what you pay for. If you buy cheap ones they won’t have the calorie counts. Shop around and compare.


40 posted on 09/02/2011 4:03:54 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Jane Long

Toiletries, Bleach, Alcohol (cheap), Tobacco, Seeds...that kind of thing.


41 posted on 09/02/2011 5:14:55 PM PDT by kimmie7 (I do not think BO is the antichrist, but he may very well be 665.)
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To: cherry

Never buy anything you will not eat yourself


42 posted on 09/02/2011 5:21:22 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: kimmie7

Seeds don’t last, tobacco dries out too much.


43 posted on 09/02/2011 5:22:44 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: familyop
And there's always the suburban livestock. Barking good pie, anyone? Meow stew?

Kit-n-Canary Casserole.

44 posted on 09/02/2011 5:24:28 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: AppyPappy

Seeds do last when properly stored. Especially when they are heirloom and can be saved from fruit from year to year. Using old seed results in a lowered rate of success, but they do last longer than they’re stamped. Then figure that they’re heirloom seeds and I can save from the fruits each year. Makes ‘em valuable.


45 posted on 09/02/2011 5:28:32 PM PDT by kimmie7 (I do not think BO is the antichrist, but he may very well be 665.)
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To: Kartographer

After a home invasion this summer, I have added a security system as part of my preps....and now am looking at redundant backup power systems for it. Also, I have a gas generator, but want to look at a propane generator.

Also, Level III vests when $$ allows.

A home invasion makes you reevaluate your preps.....and quickly.


46 posted on 09/02/2011 5:44:02 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Let's apply the "reasonable man" standard to gun laws. How many would stand?)
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To: EdReform

Spam....expiration date: forever.


47 posted on 09/02/2011 5:49:24 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Let's apply the "reasonable man" standard to gun laws. How many would stand?)
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To: CharlesThe Hammer; kimmie7
Thanks for the replies. I guess I'm about as prepared as can be. I've canned a side of beef, some chicken and have lots of dried food. Now it's time to invest in the liquors suggested. I've got a room full of TP and a Berkey. Now, I'll just continue to pray for the best and prepare for the worst.

I would like to acquire some chickens...Dr. Long doesn't seem too interested in that, tho :)

48 posted on 09/02/2011 6:27:45 PM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: Natural Law

I feel weird if I run lower than 2 yrs of food. Of course that is very, very basic foodstuffs. The fresh produce thing is not covered...


49 posted on 09/02/2011 7:14:07 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS; appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; ...

I haven’t brought any myself, but there are any number of dealers on the net.

Any FReeper want to recomend a dealer?


50 posted on 09/02/2011 7:15:12 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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