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SMART METERS: THE NEW SILENT KILLERS (Part 1 of 2)
Liberty News ^ | September 2, 2011 | Staff

Posted on 09/02/2011 6:41:06 PM PDT by yorkie

“The electromagnetic field is the perfect secret agent: you cannot see it, you cannot smell it, you cannot hear it, and its effects are slow but relentless.” -By Volter Hertenstein, MP Bavarian Parliament

I ask NWVs to post this column on a Friday because it does require many hours of reading to fully understand the issue. By necessity, this new column is two parts as I'm trying, as I did in my first column, to put as much credible information all together in one place to make it easier for everyone fighting this new silent killer. We're all pressed for time. Thank you to everyone who sent in reference material in our efforts to share the truth and what we can do to stop this madness.

There is a major war being waged in this country, although you'd never know it by the silence from the old, disgraced media (ABC, CBS, NBC) and all the cable "news" networks. This new assault on our bodies and privacy is over another relatively new piece of technology that allegedly will save energy; it will also cost tens of thousands of jobs for meter readers. When I say millions of Americans are up in arms over this, I am not exaggerating.

If you are unfamiliar with this issue, please read my first column first on this to get a full understanding of how dangerous those 'smart meters' are and why you don't want one on your home or business.


TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; cuespookymusic; invasionofprivacy; smartmeters
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I just signed a petition to ban this 'smart meter' in my city. I am APALLED at the dangers! (Not to mention the "Invasion of Privacy", covered by the Fourteenth Amendment to our Constitution!)

I know the article is long - but please read it all - you will be shocked at what is happening to our very homes, today!

1 posted on 09/02/2011 6:41:09 PM PDT by yorkie
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To: tiapam; GailA; jaycee; oldteen; MEG33; Jim Robinson; LUV W; ConorMacNessa; JustAmy; Diver Dave; ...

I think I am going to be sick...............


2 posted on 09/02/2011 6:45:31 PM PDT by yorkie
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To: yorkie

WiFi gonna kill me ping.


3 posted on 09/02/2011 6:48:23 PM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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To: yorkie; tiapam; GailA; jaycee; oldteen; MEG33; Jim Robinson; LUV W; ConorMacNessa; JustAmy; ...

” I think I am going to be sick...............”

Stand in line, my dear Yorkie : )


4 posted on 09/02/2011 6:49:03 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: yorkie

I’m surprised the AG in CT is against them. I remember back in late July during the big heat wave, people who had them were complaining that it kept their AC off for hours at a time, making the house get into the mind to upper 80’s.


5 posted on 09/02/2011 6:49:11 PM PDT by matt04
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To: matt04

I think that was people who take a discount for interruptible service complaining that their service was interrupted.


6 posted on 09/02/2011 6:51:23 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: yorkie

There’s been one of these on my house for quite a few years now.
I can’t seem to remember if it is on the gas or electric.
I would go look but it’s dark outside and the boogy-man might get me.


7 posted on 09/02/2011 6:51:44 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (Proud to be a small monthly donor.)
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To: yorkie

There are a good many people who think EMFs are bad for your health.

However, we are subjected to all kinds of EMFs and broadband wireless signals all the time. As wireless networks and other wireless tech grows in popularity, there is more and more of it.

Unless somebody can explain why, I don’t understand why smart meters should be considered more dangerous than similar radiation from other sources.


8 posted on 09/02/2011 6:51:47 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: yorkie

Belief in the Constitution as written makes a person right-wing, by today's definition.

9 posted on 09/02/2011 6:54:02 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
“Smart” meter radiation is now categorized as a class 2b carcinogen in the same cancer causing category as lead, DDT, and engine exhaust.

Sounds to me like this is the same old environmental balderdash the liberals have been selling since the 60s.

10 posted on 09/02/2011 6:58:42 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: yorkie

The author appears to be confused about the difference between AMR meters and ‘smart meters’. That notwithstanding, AMR meters emit no more EMF then WiFi - since it is basically WiFi. I am opposed to ‘smart meters’ but have no problem with AMR meters.


11 posted on 09/02/2011 6:59:20 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Sherman Logan
I am three feet from my wireless router as I type this. Has THAT made me more ill lately? Nope.

In fact, I've had a "smart" meter at my house in Sacramento from SMUD for over a year (originally a shorter-range version, but now with a new one with more accurate readings) and I haven't gotten ill lately.

12 posted on 09/02/2011 6:59:55 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: yorkie
Having so called smart meters is a good thing, Utilities have been replacing and out sourcing meter readers for 10 years. It saves the utility money and should provide the customer with more knowledge and control of their power usage. What shouldn't be done it funding the transition to smart meters with tax money.

BTW do you use a cell phone, or do you have wireless wifi or blue tooth connection(s)in your home? Do you have a automatic garage door opener? If you do, what the heck are you complaining about?

13 posted on 09/02/2011 7:01:10 PM PDT by WHBates
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To: Sherman Logan
The "smart meters" are "smart" only to the extent that they cut your power consumption and save you money during peak periods.

Her'es the risk ~ they turn off when you need stuff on.

We had a high speed modem set up to run on a closed network between a building in downtown DC and our building in the Alexandria suburbs.

Every day about 1 PM the modem would shut down. It'd come back on about 6 PM.

Obviously you can't do work with your modem doing that, so we got a new one. Alas, same thing. Off 5 hours a day ~ during peak period ~ and no connection to the network we needed to do work.

One day I was reading a news story at lunch and it was about "smart meters" ~ the power company had bought a bunch of them and were going to experiment with them. They wanted volunteers.

The meter brand was named ~ lo and behold they made my modem. A little more research revealed it was the same modem design and capability I had my network connection on.

The power company simply ginned a signal over the power lines to trigger the modems to turn off the power to the ACs or waterheaters.

That also triggered a built in timer (probably on one of the chips) to cut the power to the modem (and run on battery only for several hours).

I ordered new modems that operated differently IMMEDIATELY.

The problem in the power company approach was that everything was ONE WAY. They interrupted the power, but could not restart it for an individual device. You just had to wait for the clock to order a restart.

The system was not terribly popular in this area.

14 posted on 09/02/2011 7:01:34 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: yorkie
Dear Lord there is so much doom out-there, and now your telling me OG&E is out to kill me??

That's doom over-load...pardon the pun.

I really like OG&E...one of the best power companies on the planet!
15 posted on 09/02/2011 7:01:51 PM PDT by CaptSkip
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To: stephenjohnbanker; yorkie

Thanks for the ping. Just out of curiosity, and because I do have one of them, is the wifi that is used on the meters any different from the router that I have used for my laptops for the past 6 years?

....or worse than keeping a cell phone plastered to your ear for hours like some folks do (who are completely rude!)?

I’m not trying ot be “horsy”...I am puzzled and uninformed. :)


16 posted on 09/02/2011 7:04:59 PM PDT by LUV W (Obama is E V I L!!! RUN, SARAH---RUN!!!)
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To: nascarnation

Everything in modern life is killing us. Chemicals, radiation, stress, etc. That’s the meme.

But for some odd reason we keep living longer. That’s one of the few ways we have of directly and accurately comparing human health today to that of the past.

I suspect some people may be affected by EMFs while most are not.


17 posted on 09/02/2011 7:08:34 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: yorkie
PG&E came on to my property and installed one when my wife and I were at work. No prior permission or any type of correspondence whatsoever. They just did it and to hell with what I thought about it!
18 posted on 09/02/2011 7:09:16 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (I Stand With Sarah!)
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To: yorkie
How come I can only find the name „Volter Hertenstein“ on a mere seven websites on the whole WWW . . . ?
19 posted on 09/02/2011 7:09:29 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: yorkie
There is only one antidote to the EMF. Chew on aluminum foil - particularly where you have fillings. That sensation is the bad EMF force being purged from your body. If you don't have fillings not sure what you do.

/sarc off

20 posted on 09/02/2011 7:09:36 PM PDT by !1776!
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To: Sherman Logan

The inverse square law rules! There simply is no comparison of a milliwatt transmitter in your backyard whose signal may travel a block or two, and a 1 watt cell phone held an inch from the head.

I would not worry about this, just accept the discount.


21 posted on 09/02/2011 7:31:20 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: LUV W

” I’m not trying ot be “horsy”...I am puzzled and uninformed. :) “

That makes 2 of us : )

Yorkie ?


22 posted on 09/02/2011 7:38:21 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; yorkie

Whew! I was afraid I was the only clueless one on the thread. LOL!

yeah...Yorkie? Clue us in! :)


23 posted on 09/02/2011 7:42:10 PM PDT by LUV W (Obama is E V I L!!! RUN, SARAH---RUN!!!)
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To: Randy Larsen

I can’t reply to your post, for some reason........ It takes me back to the beginning of the article.

But, Randy - here is some information I got tonight:

“Smart Meters” violate the law and cause endangerment to residents by the following factors:

1. They individually identify electrical devices inside the home and record when they are operated causing invasion of privacy.

2. They monitor household activity and occupancy in violation of rights and domestic security.

3. They transmit wireless signals which may be intercepted by unauthorized and unknown parties. Those signals can be used to monitor behavior and occupancy and they can be used by criminals to aid criminal activity against the occupants.

4. Data about occupant’s daily habits and activities are collected, recorded and stored in permanent databases which are accessed by parties not authorized or invited to know and share that private data.

5. Those with access to the smart meter databases can review a permanent history of household activities complete with calendar and time-of-day metrics to gain a highly invasive and detailed view of the lives of the occupants.

6. Those databases may be shared with, or fall into the hands of criminals, blackmailers, law enforcement, private hackers of wireless transmissions, power company employees, and other unidentified parties who may act against the interests of the occupants under metered surveillance.

7. “Smart Meters” are, by definition, surveillance devices which violate Federal and State wiretapping laws by recording and storing databases of private and personal activities and behaviors without the consent or knowledge of those people who are monitored.

8. It is possible for example, with analysis of certain “Smart Meter” data, for unauthorized and distant parties to determine medical conditions, sexual activities, physical locations of persons within the home, vacancy patterns and personal information and habits of the occupants.

Do I want the data base of my daily living available to a hacker that wants to know how many times I flush my toilet - or have sex? Of COURSE not!

I am going to call my electric company first thing Tuesday morning (Monday is a holiday) and forbid them from installing this. AAAAaaaargh!


24 posted on 09/02/2011 7:43:30 PM PDT by yorkie
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To: yorkie

Is this for real? Don’t tell me you believe that the smart meters are killing you. I’ll bet that you also believe the mercury in the vaccine is causing autism and CO2 is causing globull warming.


25 posted on 09/02/2011 7:46:20 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: yorkie

You better check your meter first, you may be too late
!


26 posted on 09/02/2011 7:46:44 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (I Stand With Sarah!)
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To: Randy Larsen
PG&E came on to my property and installed one when my wife and I were at work. No prior permission or any type of correspondence whatsoever. They just did it and to hell with what I thought about it!
That truly sucks. Good, bad or indifferent, you should have been consulted on what gets put on YOUR property.
27 posted on 09/02/2011 7:49:43 PM PDT by samtheman (Palin. In your heart you know she's right.)
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To: LUV W; stephenjohnbanker; tiapam; All

Luv, I just found out about this tonight. I am apalled at the consequences, the intrusion, and the violation of the Fourteenth Amendment to our Constitution - guaranteeing the privacy of a home and family.

I called both my kids, and told them my recommendation was to call their electric company on Tuesday, and tell them that for health reasons, they wish to not have it installed (or get it uninstalled).

Just the fact that the results compiled (unsecured) by the electric company can be hacked into MY residence, if wanted by ANYbody - is extremely offensive to me.

BIG BROTHER - you are NOT welcome here!


28 posted on 09/02/2011 7:51:39 PM PDT by yorkie
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To: yorkie

I hope that report is in error, but I guess it’s always a good thing to err on the side of safety. I’m really surprised that the EPA, who love to shut down new innovations, haven’t stepped in somehow if there is a problem.

I feel invaded enough every time the Zero is on TV. :)


29 posted on 09/02/2011 7:58:35 PM PDT by LUV W (Obama is E V I L!!! RUN, SARAH---RUN!!!)
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To: Randy Larsen

There is soooo much misinformation and hysterical reaction to all of this.

If they came out and installed a meter without tearing into your house wiring (which I am certain they did not), then the only purpose this type of ‘smart meter’ could serve would be:

1. Automating the reading of your meter.

2. Making it possible to monitor your power usage by day-part. This in turn would allow them to offer you plans based on your peak power consumption (or, to view it negatively, increase the rates for high peak power consumption).

The smart meter may or may not have a wireless communication link, which would go to some wireless access point in the neighborhood, owned by the power company.

The people who are fomenting fear over this type of meter either have an agenda or are just plain nuts. Probably the ringleaders are in it for money or publicity, and the ones they convince are the nuts.

The more common kind of smart meter doesn’t even have a wireless component; it sends and receives its data over the power lines themselves.


30 posted on 09/02/2011 8:12:11 PM PDT by Erasmus (I love "The Raven," but then what do I know? I'm just a poetaster.)
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To: yorkie; LUV W; tiapam; All

” BIG BROTHER - you are NOT welcome here!”

Indeed, we are living in very strange times, Yorkie.


31 posted on 09/02/2011 8:14:40 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: LUV W; yorkie

” I feel invaded enough every time the Zero is on TV. :)”

Looks to me like his(Obama) entire family tree is illegal, and scamming welfare.

Good Lord in heaven!


32 posted on 09/02/2011 8:17:27 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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Well, Erasmus - if you don't mind having 'anyone' who wants to know how many times you flush your toilet, or turn on your tv (and which channel you watch), or what time you turn on your oven OR know when (and how often you and your wife are intimate,) then, sweetie - you go for it.

Personally - it is WAY too invasive for me - this administration has already taken away so many of my Constitutional rights. I will stop them, any way I can.

33 posted on 09/02/2011 8:18:48 PM PDT by yorkie
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To: yorkie

You’re right and you’re wrong: I measured my new “smart meter” that the electric company put in recently and found it gave off 10 milligauss at 6 inches (which IS ALOT), but at 15 feet away there was no measurable reading (it drops at some power [square?] of the distance).

Unless you sleep next to the device, there shouldn’t be any interference. Besides, there’s no scientific consensus that electro-magnetic fields are cancer causing. Several studies on interference of cellphones from Scandanavian countries pointed in that direction, but there are other studies that don’t show any causation.

Cheap cell phones given to little children are another matter. Because children are more susceptible to brain cancer, their walking and talking on cellphones held up against their ear could be a problem. In my testing I’ve found that many of the ugly bluetooth ear receivers eliminate nearly all of the EMF.

I didn’t like the polite but secretive meter reader installing the “new electricity meter” (aka smart meter), but I think the major problem with them would occur when the Democrats shut down power generators and they just cut back your electricity fait accompli.

I’d focus more on getting away from the grid and getting little kids to wear those Bluetooth ear receivers and to not get scoliosis by carrying 200 pound school book bags.

Good gaussmeters can be bought for around $100. Mine is made by AlphaLab in Utah. Its a lot of fun to measure friend’s microwave cookers, old electric typewriters, cellphones. When bored, you can always put it on your car’s dashboard and drive under the big power lines and watch the meter peg.


34 posted on 09/02/2011 8:22:40 PM PDT by Hop A Long Cassidy
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To: yorkie

You seriously need to cut the tinfoil out of your diet. I hate to break this to you man, but smart meters can’t do any of the things you mentioned. I especially liked the one about flushing the toilet btw, yeah, that’s believable. lol.


35 posted on 09/02/2011 8:24:40 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Well, who is surprised at the fact that someone who refused to give ANY information that other candidates and elected officials have been made to reveal would have shennanegans and illegal activity going on within the family tree!

2011 canNOT come soon enough! *sigh*


36 posted on 09/02/2011 8:24:57 PM PDT by LUV W (Obama is E V I L!!! RUN, SARAH---RUN!!!)
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To: Hop A Long Cassidy

I’m guessing by your post that you don’t mind the fact that your home is now under the ‘Big Brother’ monitor. (And unprotected from ‘hackers’).

Personally, Hop - I have NOTHING to hide - but just the idea that someone uninvited can be ‘in my home’ - is very intrusive to me, and a violation of my right to protection from invasion of privacy.


37 posted on 09/02/2011 8:28:40 PM PDT by yorkie
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To: yorkie
Oh. Dear. God. Not another tinfoil-hat smart-meter hate thread.

Look, I design them for a living. No, they won't hurt you. Yes, you are anonymous. No, people can't spy on you through the electric/gas/water meter.

Any questions?

38 posted on 09/02/2011 8:29:33 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: yorkie

to heck with the sickness, the invasion of privacy and command and controll are now complete. Personally I think they all should be monkeywrenched.


39 posted on 09/02/2011 8:31:24 PM PDT by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: Hop A Long Cassidy
I measured my new “smart meter” that the electric company put in recently and found it gave off 10 milligauss at 6 inches (which IS ALOT)

If your gaussmeter measures an H field accurately at 900 or 2.4 GHz, I want a) the model number, and b) the stock ticker symbol of the company who makes it, because they are gonna make BAZILLIONS.

Of course, no such instrument exists, and your gaussmeter is useless for such purposes. You should be using a field strength meter.

40 posted on 09/02/2011 8:34:34 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: yorkie
I am going to call my electric company first thing Tuesday morning (Monday is a holiday) and forbid them from installing this. AAAAaaaargh!

Get hold of yourself. If our or our competitors' smart meters could do what you describe, we or they would make millions more than we do.

Your car has more computing horsepower than a smart meter does. It doesn't have the memory or the analysis capability to figure out when you're having sex (good grief, what paranoia). And since the meter ID does not correlate directly to a name when the meter is read, nobody knows anyway. And the data is 128-bit-AES encrypted with a protocol that takes an engineer to figure out, so nobody else knows, either.

I work in this industry, and design them, so I know what I'm talking about, for heaven's sake. Your fears are unfounded.

41 posted on 09/02/2011 8:39:43 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: Melas; LUV W; Jim Robinson; stephenjohnbanker; All

Hi, Melas - first off, I’m a gurl, not a man. (*grin*)

FWIW, I don’t have any tin foil in my diet - I just want to live a comfortable life without intrusion - from any government entity.

I posted this because the more I ‘look into’ the smart meter - the more I am sure I don’t want one in my home, and just wanted to share some of my findings with my FRiends.


42 posted on 09/02/2011 8:41:29 PM PDT by yorkie
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To: Sherman Logan
Unless somebody can explain why, I don’t understand why smart meters should be considered more dangerous than similar radiation from other sources.

They are not. This story is total BULLSHIT. People who wear their cell phones on their waist every day receive several MILLION times more EMF exposure each day than from a smart meter outside their house.

43 posted on 09/02/2011 8:46:52 PM PDT by montag813
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To: backwoods-engineer

Thanks for your knowledegable and kind response, BackWoods. I will take your advice seriously.

((((HUGS))))


44 posted on 09/02/2011 8:47:27 PM PDT by yorkie
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To: yorkie

I appreciate you doing that, Yorkie. Of course, we already have one. The worse I was expecting was a higher electric bill, and they have been high with all the AC we’ve had to use in this heat. Ugh!

I do hope that this report is premature and they will do more studies on the thing. Better safe than sorry, though, and if I had known, I might have thought twice about having it installed....if indeed we even had a choice.


45 posted on 09/02/2011 8:47:31 PM PDT by LUV W (Obama is E V I L!!! RUN, SARAH---RUN!!!)
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To: LUV W

Well, Luv, from some of the previous posts, it appears that
several posters think my concerns to be unfounded.

But - I have spent all night reading about this and checking it out - and IMHO - my ‘fears’ are not unfounded - and tomorrow, I will probably spend the day doing research on this, and I will FReepmail you with my findings - (since I am feeling like ‘Chicken Little’, here, sharing my findings tonight.)

:(


46 posted on 09/02/2011 8:55:38 PM PDT by yorkie
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To: backwoods-engineer

Is that you Neville Chamberlain?


47 posted on 09/02/2011 8:57:45 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (I Stand With Sarah!)
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To: yorkie

locally I protested and waa told I would have to pay a one time fee and about 300 per year to have my privacy.

Privacy for money only with the Power company


48 posted on 09/02/2011 9:00:33 PM PDT by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: Sherman Logan
http://www.lessemf.com/paint.html

This stuff, painted around the RF emiting device may force the utility to change their plans. But it isn't cheap.

49 posted on 09/02/2011 9:03:47 PM PDT by x_plus_one (Obama's legacy: Trashing the North American continent into a third world hell hole.)
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To: backwoods-engineer; Hop A Long Cassidy
Of course, no such instrument exists, and your gaussmeter is useless for such purposes. You should be using a field strength meter.

As it seems, that company - Alphalab - specializes in making test equipment for a hypochondriac.

The easiest way to measure field strength is by using a calibrated antenna and a calibrated spectrum analyzer, often with a calibrated amplifier. That's what compliance labs are using.

Also, 10 milligauss reading doesn't say anything except that the [static] magnetic field is probably 10 milligauss. To compare, a common refrigerator magnet produces 50 gauss - which is 5,000 times as much. I guess all housewives are now doomed? By the way, that 10 milligauss reading probably comes from steel screws that got magnetized in Earth's magnetic field (which is about 400 milligauss at the surface of this planet.)

But the fact is that human body, unless augmented with magnetic materials, is not sensitive to magnetic fields. That's why MRI scans are possible. It is pointless to measure something unless it is clearly understood what it is that you are measuring and what the measured field does to you.

If someone wants to be really scared, they should get a proper microwave power meter, with a small horn, and measure the leakage from their microwave oven in the kitchen. The magnetron (or klystron) there is happily producing kilowatts of power just inches from your face. The door is equipped with a mesh that is supposed to block the RF, but often there are leaks from other places. But hardly any home oven is ever checked for leaks. I had a radar detector a couple of decades ago, and I tested it on a microwave oven, and it did register the signal. Mind you, it was a simple diode in a horn... think of how much power was leaking to get to a reasonable voltage across the waveguide.

50 posted on 09/02/2011 9:08:58 PM PDT by Greysard
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