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Sarah Palin: Did she save the Republican Party?
September 9, 2011 | techno

Posted on 09/09/2011 8:15:24 AM PDT by techno

One of the most important articles ever written about Sarah Palin was by Paul Goldman, a Democratic political strategist and former chairman of the Virginia Democratic Party,in September 2010, about 6 weeks before the 2010 midterm election.

This article was originally posted at FR and at the WAPO:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2590825/posts

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/16/AR20100901606348.html

In the article Goldman claims there is a good possibility that Sarah Palin has saved the Republican party (from extinction)by not going the third party route (via the Tea party) and in Goldman's words "to allow Republican anger to boil, yet not boil over."

And then Goldman reflects on the possibility that "the GOP establishment fails to appreciate the debt it owes her".

And finally he concludes with this prediction:

"Should Republicans run up the score in November (2010), Sarah Palin will deserve a lot of credit she will never get."

My questions to Freepers:

1)Does Sarah Palin deserve a lot of credit for the results of the 2010 midterms as Goldman asserts or is he simply full of hot air?

2)Now if she does, was Goldman's prediction correct? Has the GOP establishment in collusion with the media and the right-wing blogosphere been able to in the last 10 months to pull the wool of over the eyes of the bulk of the GOP primary electorate and successfully erased Palin's contribution from their memories or convinced them she had little part to play in the massive GOP victory?

3)Now if you feel Palin's contribution was NOT significant or overstated by Goldman could you please tell me who it was on our side you feel did the most to influence the result or perhaps you feel the result was inevitable due to Obama's agenda?

In other words, if Sarah Palin doesn't deserve a lot of the credit for the greatest GOP victory since 1938 who does?

A final note not since exit polls for midterms began being kept in 1982 has the GOP garnered more of the female vote than the Democrats (49% to 48%).

And not since WWII has the GOP reached 60% of the WHITE vote in any midterm election.


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: cult; idolatry; palin; politics; sarahpalin
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1 posted on 09/09/2011 8:15:34 AM PDT by techno
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To: techno

I agree, Palin deserves a huge amount of credit for 2010.

But the talk of Palin going 3rd party... where’s that coming from? Did she ever say that or imply that? If she did, I’m not aware of it.

Anyway, you are right, the GOP owes a lot to Sarah Palin and if she’s not nominated for presidential candidate she should be given a cabinet spot in a republican administration, if there is a republican administration and if she wants a cabinet spot.


2 posted on 09/09/2011 8:19:14 AM PDT by samtheman (Palin. In your heart you know she's right.)
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To: techno

Yes and NO.

Yes she was part of saving it, no she is not the only thing that saved it.


3 posted on 09/09/2011 8:20:06 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: techno

She helped. She isn’t singularly responsible nor even significantly responsible.

A lot of factors went into 2010 and will go into non-presidential races in 2012.

Should she not run, she will certainly help with he GOP top though the down-ticket race.


4 posted on 09/09/2011 8:21:51 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (California: Making Texas more Conservative one voter at a time)
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To: samtheman

One of the points I was trying to make.

If Palin didn’t take the TP in a 3rd party direction in 2010 why would she take it in that direction in 2012?


5 posted on 09/09/2011 8:22:08 AM PDT by techno
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To: freedumb2003

Be more specific.

Which factors?


6 posted on 09/09/2011 8:23:31 AM PDT by techno
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To: techno

I understand and agree with you.

But previous to 2010, did she ever indicate in any way that she was even considering 3rd party?

I don’t think so.


7 posted on 09/09/2011 8:24:34 AM PDT by samtheman (Palin. In your heart you know she's right.)
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To: techno

McCain’s fault. ;-)


8 posted on 09/09/2011 8:25:52 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

For what?


9 posted on 09/09/2011 8:27:45 AM PDT by techno
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To: techno

I think the Tea Party had a huge impact on the 2010 elections. Sarah herself was a small part of that. The larger part was everyday Americans getting out there and making their voices heard.


10 posted on 09/09/2011 8:32:33 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: techno

Considering the way the slimey way the GOP Establishment has treated Palin, they’ve pretty much proven to me that the Party is hardly ‘worth’ saving at this point. And I’m saying that as someone who has voted exclusively GOP my entire life, never wavering a single time.


11 posted on 09/09/2011 8:32:38 AM PDT by greene66
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To: techno
1) Yes, Sarah Palin deserves the most credit of any single individual for the great 2010 midterm results;

2) Yes, I agree that the GOP Establishment attempts to erase the memory of Sarah Palin's influence in such election; and 3) N/A.

November, 2010 was the Tea Party Movement's victory and Sarah Palin is the best and most prominent spokesperson for that Movement.

12 posted on 09/09/2011 8:32:52 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: techno

Obama deserves the most credit for the TP his spending tripling down on Bush deficits. Rick Santelli then millions of folks in all 50 states. Sarah’s political instincts jumping to support the folks have serve her and her country well. Obama birthed the TP and Obama will die politicallly by them in 2012 thanks to the millions of folks that rose up and are expanding daily.


13 posted on 09/09/2011 8:35:31 AM PDT by vicar7 ("Polls are for strippers and cross-country skiers" Sarah Palin)
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To: techno

Good thoughts.

My personal opinion is that the Republican Party has not yet been saved. Obama and the democrats in DC have given the republicans a magnificent opportunity to save themselves. So far, Palin is the only one that has positioned republicans to benefit.

So, I guess I would say no, she hasn’t saved the party, but she has put a foot in the door, so to speak.


14 posted on 09/09/2011 8:35:58 AM PDT by stevestras
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To: techno

She is going to save this Nation!!

PALIN / WEST CRUSH THE LEFT!


15 posted on 09/09/2011 8:36:39 AM PDT by TsonicTsunami08
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To: greene66

Then start voting Dumbocrat if you think they’re better. You have no other choice.


16 posted on 09/09/2011 8:39:29 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma ( You cannot elevate Palin by tearing down Perry)
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To: techno
She has saved the republican party so far. But, if the pubbies push yet another wimpy rat-lite candidate on us conservatives, it is dead-in-the-water. I don't think I'm the only one who is voting principles over party and will only vote for a conservative during this next election. And if the pubbies lose, they have no one to blame but themselves for not heeding this warning.
17 posted on 09/09/2011 8:40:09 AM PDT by Jemian
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To: samtheman

I do not see Palin going 3rd party..

I believe Palin deserves much credit and gratitude for rejuvenating Republicans, inspiring and working hard to influence the 2010 elections..


18 posted on 09/09/2011 8:40:22 AM PDT by MEG33 (God Bless Our Military Men And Women)
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To: TsonicTsunami08

Is Palin’s mother and father’s names Mary and Joseph?


19 posted on 09/09/2011 8:40:55 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma ( You cannot elevate Palin by tearing down Perry)
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To: techno

Not saved, changed, and it needs to keep on changing. Sarah has played a huge role in moving the Republican Party from the establishment progressives who are losing to the conservatives who are winning. The whole thing is about saving this nation, and time is running short.


20 posted on 09/09/2011 8:41:32 AM PDT by pallis
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To: MEG33
I do not see Palin going 3rd party.. I believe Palin deserves much credit and gratitude for rejuvenating Republicans, inspiring and working hard to influence the 2010 elections..
Yup... and Yup...
21 posted on 09/09/2011 8:41:38 AM PDT by samtheman (Palin. In your heart you know she's right.)
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To: techno
Palin has no need to go third-party, nor would she.

The GOP belongs to her now. The ruling-class RINOs just haven't figured it out yet.

It is far more likely that the RINOs will form their own third-party of "moderates" sometime after the 2012 election, when their predicament becomes obvious.

PS - A "moderate" is simply someone with no core beliefs and no firm principles. They are always willing to compromise because they believe in nothing except their own personal advancement.

22 posted on 09/09/2011 8:57:39 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Palin is coming, and the Tea Party is coming with her.)
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To: techno

She was very helpful...as were a bunch of other folks. Jim DeMint was great too. But nothing, nothing compares to the influence of the Tea Party (and that is NOT the property of Sarah Palin or any other politician) and the folks who showed up at Congressional Town Hall Meetings all across the country. Pelosi’s response to those meetings helped too.


23 posted on 09/09/2011 9:04:38 AM PDT by pgkdan (Perry/Cain 2012)
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To: MEG33
I do not see Palin going 3rd party..

I agree, but with one minor issue ... what was that meeting with Donald Trump about a few months back? Trump continues to make 3rd party noises from time to time ... we all can agree that such a quixotic effort on his part would undoubtedly lead to Zero's re-election.

Sarah needs to get out in front of any connection to a 3rd party run, whether it's her own or anyone else's, including Trump's.

24 posted on 09/09/2011 9:08:33 AM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: greene66
Considering the way the slimey way the GOP Establishment has treated Palin, they’ve pretty much proven to me that the Party is hardly ‘worth’ saving at this point.

Don't be a quitter...be a fighter! I'm not going to let the likes of Rove and McCain drive me out of my party! Screew them. Primary every single RINO ikn every election. Truth be told the RINO's in congress aren't as big a probles as are the RINO's in the voting booth who keep pulling the lever for the goodies they get from their PET RINO's!

25 posted on 09/09/2011 9:08:48 AM PDT by pgkdan (Perry/Cain 2012)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

LOL...you’d think so.


26 posted on 09/09/2011 9:09:43 AM PDT by pgkdan (Perry/Cain 2012)
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To: bassmaner

I just don’t think she is 3rd party inclined.
Who knows what that meeting was about?


27 posted on 09/09/2011 9:16:15 AM PDT by MEG33 (God Bless Our Military Men And Women)
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To: techno
Without Palin’s support it's doubtful that some candidates would have made it through the primaries (including Nikki Haley and Susana Martinez) or got elected.

She really scares the “permanent political establishment.” The “permanent political establishment” goes beyond politicians. It includes bureaucrats and even pundits like George Will, Laura Ingraham and Ann Coulter for whom having Beltway friends is more important than being conservatives.

28 posted on 09/09/2011 9:19:30 AM PDT by bwc2221
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To: samtheman

The STINK from obama has done more to help than anything or any one person


29 posted on 09/09/2011 9:19:30 AM PDT by BubbaJunebug
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
“Is Palin’s mother and father’s names Mary and Joseph?”

You tell us. Weren't you around then?

30 posted on 09/09/2011 9:22:55 AM PDT by bwc2221
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To: bassmaner
Yes, and I was troubled by the way the Republican party was treated in "The Undefeated". There were allegations made that pretty much the whole Republican party was corrupt, with the exception of Palin, of course. They even showed film of Boehner, Cantor and McConnell alleging they are corrupt At the time, I wondered what was the message in doing that.

I do not think she will do that but between the troubling lunch with Trump and his constant drumbeat that if he is not satisfied with the nominee, he may do something, it gives pause.

It will assure the reelection of Obama.

31 posted on 09/09/2011 9:24:27 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma ( You cannot elevate Palin by tearing down Perry)
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To: bwc2221

I don’t remember, do you? Was she born in a manger in Bethlehem?


32 posted on 09/09/2011 9:26:08 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma ( You cannot elevate Palin by tearing down Perry)
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To: techno

I believe Palins speech at the RNC Convention in 2008 marked the beginning of the Tea Party. She lit a fire in Conservative hearts that evening and has been stirring the embers since.


33 posted on 09/09/2011 9:35:29 AM PDT by weston (As far as I'm concerned, it's Christ or nothing!)
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To: techno
I think it's hard to quantify since we don't have a time machine to go back and see what things would have been like without her. So it's a subjective exercise at best. That said, there are clearly some positive results from 2010 that Palin should get credit for. For example, the electoral fortunes of Kelly Ayotte (NH, US Senate) and Nikki Haley (SC, Governor) certain improved markedly from the moment they were endorsed by Palin. On the flip side, there were some high-profile losses among her endorsed candidates: Sharon Angle (NV), Meg Whitman (CA), and Joe Miller (AK). Of course in all of those cases it's probably unfair to blame Palin for the loss -- indeed all three won primaries they weren't "supposed" to and likely performed as well or better in the general election than would otherwise be expected (Miller being the odd duck out here, but sore-loser Murkowski is a special case).

On the whole, her endorsement track record was very high, in terms of wins, but that did include some fairly "safe" picks as well.

More intangibly, her writings, speeches, and interviews help shape and frame the debate. While some excoriate her for "bumper sticker slogans", the fact is that she helped take some issues that the pundits were tying to gloss over with complexity and restate them in simple language that people just "get". Of course there wasn't anything named a "death panel" in Obamacare, but that term got people to realize what a bureaucratic panel who decides what treatments patients can and can't get pretty much amounts to it.

But how much did that quantitatively help? It's impossible to say. The TEA Party was energized -- did she add enough additional energy to make the victory larger? I think she did, but again, it's all subjective.

I also don't think there has been a successful effort to diminish Palin's contributions. Even those GOP folks who aren't going to support her for President almost always qualify it with something like "she'll do more good doing what she's doing in rallying the troops and raising money".

34 posted on 09/09/2011 9:40:26 AM PDT by kevkrom (This space for rent.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
Don't think I am nearly as old as you, Granny. I'm not even a grandpa.

It never ceases to amaze me that people who have spent the last few years trashing Palin (like you) are now bent out of shape whenever Rick Perry, patron saint of open borders and illegal immigration, takes any criticism.

35 posted on 09/09/2011 9:49:23 AM PDT by bwc2221
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To: bassmaner
I agree, but with one minor issue ... what was that meeting with Donald Trump about a few months back? Trump continues to make 3rd party noises from time to time ... we all can agree that such a quixotic effort on his part would undoubtedly lead to Zero's re-election.

FWIW, my opinion is that Donald Trump likes Palin and should Sarah Palin get the nomination, she'll have Trump's support. On the other hand, if someone else gets the GOP nod, I wouldn't be surprised to see Trump run as an independent.

36 posted on 09/09/2011 9:53:11 AM PDT by upsdriver (to undo the damage the "intellectual elites" have done. . . . . Sarah Palin for President!)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Jesus is the Son of God, Joseph wasn’t His father

Better brush up on your snark.......


37 posted on 09/09/2011 10:02:20 AM PDT by Gustavus
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
A "moderate" is simply someone with no core beliefs and no firm principles. They are always willing to compromise because they believe in nothing except their own personal advancement.

"If you got seventy-five or eighty percent of what you were asking for, I say, you take it and fight for the rest later, and that's what I told these radical conservatives who never got used to it. ... "Moderate" (according to EPU) Ronald Reagan

38 posted on 09/09/2011 10:03:34 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Servant of the Cross
Nice strawman ya got there, Skippy.

Reagan was not ALWAYS willing to compromise.

He had a firm set of core beliefs and principles.

Romney does not.

CFR-Ric does not.

39 posted on 09/09/2011 10:07:11 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Palin is coming, and the Tea Party is coming with her.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Where, exactly, does it say that’s Reagan’s definition of a moderate?


40 posted on 09/09/2011 10:11:07 AM PDT by beandog (You can't elevate Perry by tearing down Palin)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Nice strawman ya got there, Skippy.

Perry is not ALWAYS willing to compromise.

41 posted on 09/09/2011 10:11:20 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: samtheman

She’s been asked about a third party a few times and has resoundingly said the GOP has a great platform and simply needs to be reformed from within.

She’s been completely honorable to her principles and, however undeserving, her party.


42 posted on 09/09/2011 10:11:44 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: samtheman

She’s been asked about a third party a few times and has resoundingly said the GOP has a great platform and simply needs to be reformed from within.

She’s been completely honorable to her principles and, however undeserving, her party.


43 posted on 09/09/2011 10:11:44 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Do you think that Christ appreciates you using His birth as a weapon to disparage your candidate’s political rival?


44 posted on 09/09/2011 10:13:33 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: techno

Sarah Palin on Fox News now.


45 posted on 09/09/2011 10:17:58 AM PDT by techno
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To: bwc2221
Both Perry and Palin are flawed human beings but we will make a choice. Right now, it appears Perry is our best bet to defeat O, if it becomes apparent, Palin is the one most likely to take him out, I'll vote for Palin.

In the meantime, it is the Palin supporters who treat her like a super human without any flaws. It is not realistic.

46 posted on 09/09/2011 10:21:53 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma ( You cannot elevate Palin by tearing down Perry)
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To: trisham

Stop treating her like she is Christ. That is my objection. Palin supporters refuse to look at her as another flawed human being.


47 posted on 09/09/2011 10:23:14 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma ( You cannot elevate Palin by tearing down Perry)
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To: techno

Bad economy, the inevitable rise of the Tea Party, barry the zero’s plummet in popularity, GOP candidates getting back on message.

Those are just a few. I guess you weren’t alive or paying attention during those years. Or you were just looping coverage of your saint endlessly to the exclusion of real life.

Gov. Palin helped. That is it.


48 posted on 09/09/2011 10:24:43 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (California: Making Texas more Conservative one voter at a time)
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To: techno
Sarah Palin on Fox News now.

I missed it, what did she have to say?

49 posted on 09/09/2011 10:27:37 AM PDT by upsdriver (to undo the damage the "intellectual elites" have done. . . . . Sarah Palin for President!)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
Straw man. I don't treat her like she is Christ.

I have observed however, that there appears to be no level to which you will not stoop to criticize her and her supporters.

50 posted on 09/09/2011 10:31:20 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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