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Feds: reinstate conviction for threats to Obama
Politco.com/blogs ^ | 9/15/11 | Josh Gerstein

Posted on 09/16/2011 10:21:42 AM PDT by ColdOne

Federal prosecutors are asking an appeals court to reconsider a ruling that threw out a California man's criminal conviction for threatening Barack Obama while he was a candidate for the presidency in October 2008.

In July, a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit ruled, 2-1, that comments Walter Bagdasarian posted on a financial internet bulletin board did not constitute a "true threat" to Obama, even though the suspect was later found to have six firearms in his home. After Bagdasarian waived a jury trial, a federal judge convicted him of two counts of threatening to kill or injure a major presidential candidate.

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TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: 9thcircus; obama; threats

1 posted on 09/16/2011 10:21:45 AM PDT by ColdOne
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To: ColdOne
LOL so if you own a gun your a threat to a candidate for the presidency ?

The founders are spinning so fast in their graves dirt's a flyin !

2 posted on 09/16/2011 10:27:00 AM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (Any man may make a mistake ; none but a fool will persist in it . { Latin proverb })
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

“It is not required that the speaker explicitly threaten that he himself is going to injure or kill the intended victim. Instead, the cases in this Circuit teach that even ambiguous language, or language that does not specify that the speaker himself intends to kill or injure, can nonetheless amount to a threat, depending on the full context,” the government wrote.”

Thought police. Theeeeeeeeeeeeey”re heeeeeeeeeeeeeeere...


3 posted on 09/16/2011 10:30:44 AM PDT by jessduntno (Obama shanks. America tanks.)
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To: jessduntno
By that argument, 75% of the members of “Code Pink”, 90% of the democrats in congress, Michael Moore and Keith Olbermann should ALL be behind bars for 'threatening' president George W. Bush.
4 posted on 09/16/2011 10:34:43 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't Blame Me, I voted for Kodos!)
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To: ColdOne
The 9th Circus Court of Schlemiels finally gets one right and they want to overturn them?
5 posted on 09/16/2011 10:35:03 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
I don't find this funny at all. I find it scary. Obama is trying to scare us into silence.
6 posted on 09/16/2011 10:35:52 AM PDT by KansasGirl
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To: ColdOne
"..was later found to have six firearms.."

OMG! If ONE firearm is dangerous, imagine how much more dangerous SIX would be!

7 posted on 09/16/2011 10:36:36 AM PDT by Designer (Nit-pickin' and chagrinin')
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

If you make incendiary comments AND have a firearm in your home.

I wonder if Hoffa Jr has any firearms in his home. This standard could come back to bite them in the butt.

But not while Eric Holder is the top cop. AS long as he’s the top cop US “justice” is gonna be exactly like Mexico’s: for sale to the highest bidder (that is, the one with the most campaign cash and/or the most votes). IOW, anybody who would seriously be a threat will get a free pass from the entire law enforcement field.


8 posted on 09/16/2011 10:37:47 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: jessduntno

So I could say, “The sky is red.” And by my visual confirmation, the sun setting in the west is orange and casting a red glow on the sky.

However, since I recently had a dream about Obama falling from AF1 in-flight, I’ve now insinuated that the red sky is his blood as he falls from AF1. And I don’t even have to be the one who pushed him, it’s simply by the fact that I had a dream about Obama falling from AF1 (sans parachute) and noted a red sky at sunset, I’m now guilty of threatening the Resident.

Shit, I’m gonna have to report myself to AttackWatch now.


9 posted on 09/16/2011 10:38:04 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: ColdOne
After Bagdasarian waived a jury trial, a federal judge convicted him of two counts of threatening to kill or injure a major presidential candidate.

From this, may I infer that there is a 'lesser' charge for those who threaten a MINOR presidential candidate?

10 posted on 09/16/2011 10:38:04 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't Blame Me, I voted for Kodos!)
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To: WayneS

By that argument, 75% of the members of “Code Pink”, 90% of the democrats in congress, Michael Moore and Keith Olbermann should ALL be behind bars for ‘threatening’ president George W. Bush.”

Yes. Yes they should. Or criminal stupidity at the very least. Moore for just being too Moore like.


11 posted on 09/16/2011 10:38:39 AM PDT by jessduntno (Obama shanks. America tanks.)
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To: jessduntno

Wouldn’t these also be considered threats... to civilians?

* Obama: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun!”
* Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!”
* Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
* Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard!”
* Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.“
* Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat!”
* Obama to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”
* Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish our enemies.”
* Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.”
* Obama about Republican congressmen: “They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back” It does look like Obama is derailed and is desperate. Virtually everything he does now is blowing up in his face. He is so obviously anti-American, that even Democrats are seeing it. This Socialist/Marxist Muslim and Community Agitator is going down.


12 posted on 09/16/2011 10:41:51 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Rabid democRATS and 0bama the dictator own it all now.)
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To: ColdOne
...Threats against them have a heightened potential to limit such full exposure and may even inhibit the willingness of qualified individuals to run.

This part of the government's argument is not relevent to the case because Mr. Obama is clearly NOT a 'qualified individual'.

13 posted on 09/16/2011 10:44:11 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't Blame Me, I voted for Kodos!)
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To: butterdezillion
I wonder if Hoffa Jr has any firearms in his home.

You can win a bet on that one. But who's going to call him out? Major news media? The Feds?

Not hardly.

14 posted on 09/16/2011 10:45:47 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Rabid democRATS and 0bama the dictator own it all now.)
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To: WayneS

I bet Agatha winds up in Fort Marcy Park. /gratuitous “Minority Report” comment.


15 posted on 09/16/2011 10:45:52 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Sarahcuda in 2012. Nothing but Net!!!)
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To: Designer
It's, like, FIVE more dangerous than only one firearm, right?
16 posted on 09/16/2011 10:46:09 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't Blame Me, I voted for Kodos!)
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To: KansasGirl
I don't find this funny at all. I find it scary. Obama is trying to scare us into silence.

I've got god and the spirit of the American people on my side i'm not scared of them or him concerned for our country and its future yes scared no !

If the welfare class in this country don't wake up they are going to find themselves in chains they can't get off it's great to have a voice and to use it but if their is no one to hear what you have to say it's like screaming underwater

Make Sense ?

17 posted on 09/16/2011 10:49:24 AM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (Any man may make a mistake ; none but a fool will persist in it . { Latin proverb })
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To: ColdOne

This is what they want to focus on. Obama is the best protected POTUS ever.


18 posted on 09/16/2011 10:53:37 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: TribalPrincess2U
Awwww cmon you cant count those after all he was just being a democrat it's like a Halloween mask once you take it off Halloween's over right ?

Of course were still waiting for the mask to come off only to find out what some thought was a mask is the real thing !

19 posted on 09/16/2011 10:53:41 AM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (Any man may make a mistake ; none but a fool will persist in it . { Latin proverb })
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To: ColdOne
...even though the suspect was later found to have six firearms in his home.

That is hardly proof of intent of anything at all other than being an American.

Got Franz Kafka?

20 posted on 09/16/2011 11:04:12 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
From the artical

[QUOTE]”The foundations of our democracy depend on individuals’ willingness to enter the political arena and expose themselves to the scrutiny of the public. Threats against them have a heightened potential to limit such full exposure and may even inhibit the willingness of qualified individuals to run.”[/QUOTE]

Yes it does. I totally agree. Still waiting on “The One” to expose a real birth certificate. Still waiting on "The One" to expose his true intentions he has for this country. Until he does he will always be illegitimate.

21 posted on 09/16/2011 11:06:07 AM PDT by swisher
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To: freekitty

“This is what they want to focus on. Obama is the best protected PO..S ever.”

There, fixed it.


22 posted on 09/16/2011 11:10:21 AM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Designer
OMG! If ONE firearm is dangerous, imagine how much more dangerous SIX would be!

Wow! He's a six-shooter. A wine-drinkin', potty-mouthed six-shooter!

23 posted on 09/16/2011 11:11:47 AM PDT by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
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To: WayneS
"It's, like, FIVE more dangerous than only one firearm, right?"

I guess. This is how the libs "think", even though some firearms may not be configured toward attacking someone, and in spite of the unlikely ability of most people to control more than one at a time.

It's like counting cartriges to determine one's degree of anti-socialism.

24 posted on 09/16/2011 11:20:18 AM PDT by Designer (Nit-pickin' and chagrinin')
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To: SgtHooper

So true.


25 posted on 09/16/2011 11:27:47 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: ColdOne

I’ll bet they did not even count the number of knives and other sharp and pointy items he owned.


26 posted on 09/16/2011 1:47:34 PM PDT by fini
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