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Is Perry's HPV vaccine stance really outrageous?
Bluegrass Pundit ^ | September 17, 2011 | Bluegrass Pundit

Posted on 09/17/2011 7:29:48 AM PDT by Askwhy5times

The short answer is no. The long answer is also no. It is true that trying to implement this vaccine regime by EO was wrong. Perry readily admits that mistake. However, the vaccine is actually a good idea. It is not an assault on innocent 12-year old girls as Michelle Bachmann claimed. It also does not cause retardation as Michelle Bachmann misinformed the American public. The misconception in many people's mind is, since HPV is a sexually transmitted disease, the government is preparing 12 old girls for sexual activity at an early age. That is false. In order for this vaccine to work correctly, it has to be given at that age. The protection they get is a few years down the road. Waiting until the girls are adults and can make their own informed decision will not work. It will be too late for them to take advantage of this potentially lifesaving vaccine. Heather Borden Herve over at Wilton Patch explains:

HPV is also the most common sexually transmitted disease today.

A-ha! Is that what makes this issue hot and—pardon the media parlance pun—sexy? Because somehow when the topic of “innocent little 12 year old girls” gets mixed up with protecting them from a virus that gets transmitted through sexual contact, it suddenly gets to be co-opted by politicians on the basis of protecting moral values—and it gets them airtime.

In full disclosure, I grew up in a household that was comfortable talking about science, medicine and fact. My dad is an OBGYN, so we weren’t afraid of using correct anatomical terminology or talking about human sexuality. It’s formed the basis for the way I approach issues like this one.

The science shows that in order for this vaccine to work it needs to be administered before a person becomes sexually active. According to a statement released by the American Academy of Pediatrics following the media uproar after Bachmann’s comments, they “recommend that girls receive [the] HPV vaccine around age 11 or 12. That’s because this is the age at which the vaccine produces the best immune response in the body, and because it’s important to protect girls well before the onset of sexual activity.”

That recommendation was echoed by the CDC and American Academy of Family Physicians....

"The American Academy of Pediatrics would like to correct false statements made in the Republican presidential campaign that HPV vaccine is dangerous and can cause mental retardation. There is absolutely no scientific validity to this statement. Since the vaccine has been introduced, more than 35 million doses have been administered, and it has an excellent safety record."

A better approach for Gov. Perry would have been to offer the vaccine for free and promote it to parents through a public education program, but hindsight is always 20-20. BTW, the story about Rick Perry sitting at the deathbed of a friend dying of cervical cancer is true. Here name was Heather Burcham.

This isn't just a woman's issue. HPV is also a major risk factor for penile cancer.


TOPICS: Government; Health/Medicine; Politics
KEYWORDS: gardasil; hpv; liarbachmann; perryobama; rickperry
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1 posted on 09/17/2011 7:29:55 AM PDT by Askwhy5times
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To: Askwhy5times

Yes, but the Dream Act more.


2 posted on 09/17/2011 7:31:25 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (Why does so few (IA, NH, SC) decide so much?)
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To: Sybeck1

and bi national health insurance.


3 posted on 09/17/2011 7:35:56 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a Permenant Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: Askwhy5times

If it’s such a good idea, why couldn’t it be voluntary? And voluntary as in opt-in, not run through bureaucratic hoops and intimidation to opt out.


4 posted on 09/17/2011 7:38:25 AM PDT by icanhasbailout
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To: icanhasbailout

The question is not whether it is “such a good idea” as you said - it is whether it is outrageous.

I say it is a bad idea, but not outrageous. I think those, including MB, who over played it as evil and outrageous have hurt themselves. Not every single issue is apocalyptic or good versus evil - some are just plain bad or just plain lapses in judgement. Why can’t we grow up and just call it what it is. (and that would include Perry, who cannot bring himself to quite the admission he should).


5 posted on 09/17/2011 7:42:53 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Askwhy5times
Given the nature of politicians, anything that is worthwhile would stand on it's own merits under the light of full disclosure and voluntary participation.

Get caught lying once and expect that it will be remembered.

6 posted on 09/17/2011 7:44:09 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Holy flippin' crap, Sarah rocks the world!)
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To: icanhasbailout

this biologist notes the vaccine is NOT safe. It has a record of having caused more harm than most other vaccines. Frankly, it shouldn’t even be on the market.

Safety and vaccines are not adequately studied for a whole bunch of reasons. I used to be agnostic about vaccines because of their demonstrated benefits with most childhood diseases. Since then, the field has really moved in a bunch of wrong directions at the expense of public safety.


7 posted on 09/17/2011 7:44:20 AM PDT by bioqubit
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To: Askwhy5times
Outrageous? Not in a country whose citizens want to be taken care of and protected from ourselves.

We want the best cradle to grave, big Mommy state possible.

We like our mandatory seat belt laws and helmet laws, bans on smoking everywhere, even in our own homes, alcohol checkpoints, government and union pensions and health care, etc. and we have little to no problem trading personal liberty and freedom for all of it.

Give us a road paved by good intentions that someone else pays for and a strong leader who will take care of us and we'll be good and quiet.

8 posted on 09/17/2011 7:45:19 AM PDT by GBA
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To: Askwhy5times
Penile cancer, colon and throat....

This is now a boy/girl vaccine.

Homosexuals have a BIG interest in it.

I'd like to know how many doses have been passed out to homosexuals.

9 posted on 09/17/2011 7:45:32 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Askwhy5times

What’s outrageous is how everyone has gone into full on, hyper speed feeding frenzy over this (now old) issue whilst the dems/libs laugh their collective butts off at us.

Let’s refocus, kids!


10 posted on 09/17/2011 7:46:33 AM PDT by ozark hilljilly
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To: C. Edmund Wright

The outrageous parts are the unlicensed practice of medicine by government officials, and the corruption regarding staff relationships to the manufacturer and contributions to campaigns.


11 posted on 09/17/2011 7:46:44 AM PDT by icanhasbailout
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To: Askwhy5times

A-ha! Is that what makes this issue hot and—pardon the media parlance pun—sexy? Because somehow when the topic of “innocent little 12 year old girls” gets mixed up with protecting them from a virus that gets transmitted through sexual contact, it suddenly gets to be co-opted by politicians on the basis of protecting moral values—and it gets them airtime.


This is exactly what it is. Folks that are all atwitter over this Gardisil thing are upset that if a young lady decides to have out-of-wedlock-sex, she is protected from this disease.

What they fail to understand is that we do not live in a theocracy, and the VAST majority of us do not WANT to.


12 posted on 09/17/2011 7:49:41 AM PDT by Grunthor (Almost any republican currently running for POTUS would be light years better than Obama)
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To: icanhasbailout

You are over stating and over dramatizing every aspect to justify your claim as outrageous. It was not the practice of medicine by government officials since it was not mandatory - and the corruption issue is valid but the money involved seems to indicate it was nothing like the crony aspect that we’ve seen with Solyndra or GE or GM or Goldman.

You are straining gnats and therefore ignoring camels.


13 posted on 09/17/2011 7:50:45 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Askwhy5times

“My dad is an OBGYN, so we weren’t afraid of using correct anatomical terminology or talking about human sexuality.”

Poor abused little chillens’.

(sarcasm)


14 posted on 09/17/2011 7:50:58 AM PDT by Grunthor (Almost any republican currently running for POTUS would be light years better than Obama)
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To: bioqubit

“The American Academy of Pediatrics would like to correct false statements made in the Republican presidential campaign that HPV vaccine is dangerous and can cause mental retardation. There is absolutely no scientific validity to this statement. Since the vaccine has been introduced, more than 35 million doses have been administered, and it has an excellent safety record.”


15 posted on 09/17/2011 7:53:25 AM PDT by Grunthor (Almost any republican currently running for POTUS would be light years better than Obama)
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To: bioqubit
It has a record of having caused more harm than most other vaccines.

After reviewing all 12,424 reports of adverse events after HPV immunization made to the joint CDC-FDA Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting system from June 2006 through December 2008, researchers from the two agencies reported that, generally, adverse event rates were similar to what is seen in safety reviews of other vaccines. However, they did acknowledge the presence of "disproportional reporting" of syncope (8.2 per 100,000 doses) and blood clots (0.2 per 100,000), compared with that seen with administration of other vaccines.

CDC, FDA Study Reinforces Safety, Efficacy of Gardasil
http://www.aafp.org/online/en/home/publications/news/news-now/clinical-care-research/20090902gardasil-jama.html
Report by American Academy of Family Physicians

16 posted on 09/17/2011 7:54:36 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Sacajaweau

The science shows that in order for this vaccine to work it needs to be administered before a person becomes sexually active. According to a statement released by the American Academy of Pediatrics following the media uproar after Bachmann’s comments, they “recommend that girls receive [the] HPV vaccine around age 11 or 12. That’s because this is the age at which the vaccine produces the best immune response in the body, and because it’s important to protect girls well before the onset of sexual activity.”


17 posted on 09/17/2011 7:55:13 AM PDT by Grunthor (Almost any republican currently running for POTUS would be light years better than Obama)
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To: Askwhy5times

Well written analysis...some of the FReeper windbags need to read it... It amazes me that the dozen or so hard core Perry bashers don’t understand that most Americans and FReepers one, don’t care what they think, and two view anything that fights cancer as good.... Bachmann stepped in it with her lie...like I said before..she like my wife, and most women, can’t shut up after the man has conceded...they got to carry on. Then she goes on Leno and makes it pretty easy for most Americans to decide the girl is in way over her head...


18 posted on 09/17/2011 7:57:28 AM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver ( WER)
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To: Askwhy5times

NO, it isn’t. Especially since he gave every parent in Texas the ability, in 2003, to opt out of any vaccines they deemed dangerous to the children. That is ANY IMMUNIZATIONS they deem dangerous to their children. Every Texas parent knows this, and thanks to Rick Perry we have it for the first time in Texas History. Immunization in Texas is now TOTALLY VOLUNTARY!

Also I have a 15 year old granddaughter whose mother chose in 2003 to take the opt out, or opt in if you want to deal in semantics, who gets to choose which needles get poked into her children, again thanks to Rick Perry’s legislation in 2003, four years before Gardasil was approved by the FDA.

My second thought is of some jock scoring in the back seat of a Chevy with any skank he can slam dunk with, who might possibly bring STD’s to my granddaughter if she’s eventually fool enough to fall for the ‘If you love me, you will have sex with me...’ routine that’s been pulled by every teenage boy since time immemorial. We have certainly kept her informed that the guys are going to try to pull this krap, and the possibility of their wanting to love her for life and support any children they beget ranks at about ZERO! And to have some respect for herself...it’s not a requirement to be the recipient of every jock’s wet dreams. And that she could be saddled for life with genital warts or herpes by one of these so-called loving individuals.

As for the Texas Dream Act, WE TEXANS sponsored that bill and had it passed into law because it was the right thing to do for these children raised in Texas.

As for the bi-national medical program, since when did selling tele-medicine across that border become bi-national insurance program. We sell everything across that border, including the masa and flour Mexican nationals use to make their staple tamales and tortillas. It’s produced by Pillsbury and General Mills...are you going to start yapping that we’ve got a bi-national flour and corn meal program and want to stop $billions of dollars in trade with Mexico? FOOLS!


19 posted on 09/17/2011 8:00:55 AM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: Askwhy5times
Here is what's different about the HPV vaccine. Diseases like HPV, HIV, and hepatitis are behaviorally obtained. The only way you are going to get them is by choice of actions. This is not the case with diseases like measles, mumps, and chicken pox where you don't even have to touch someone to get the disease. So this introduces a moral factor with the first group that is not applicable to the second group.

Understand also that because of the rising probability of autism, there is already a growing aversion to vaccines as a whole. So there are many parents out there who resist mandatory vaccination, myself being one of them. When my son was freshly born, the hospital wanted to give him a vaccination for Hepatitis B. It required a strong stand on my part to dissuade them from doing it. But in the end, I found out I still had a free choice. When the state requires that vaccines be received, that choice no longer exists.

(For the record, no vaccines applied during the first six months after birth do any good. The immune system is incapable of producing effective antibodies that early in life).

20 posted on 09/17/2011 8:01:36 AM PDT by Hoodat (God bless the Commonwealth)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

You are making excuses for behavior that by all rights should be inexcusable. Obviously you have an interest here other than trying to find out the truth of the matter that you’re not disclosing.


21 posted on 09/17/2011 8:01:40 AM PDT by icanhasbailout
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To: RVN Airplane Driver
she like my wife, and most women, can’t shut up after the man has conceded

Yes, I completely agree with you on this point.

I like Bachmann, but she has vetted herself out of the Presidency.

22 posted on 09/17/2011 8:03:13 AM PDT by GBA
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23 posted on 09/17/2011 8:04:16 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: GBA
Here, here! Is it outrageous that a politician's instinct is to issue an executive order because he has good intentions? His excuse... he cares about stopping cancer. Oh well, if he really cares then it's okay I guess. Did he apologize because the drug was imperfect or because his instinct was imperfect?

This should have gone through the legislature. He should not have issued an executive order.

Outrageous? No, not really. More like standard operating procedure for politicians. Oh boy, can't wait. Meet the new boss, same as the old.

24 posted on 09/17/2011 8:08:08 AM PDT by Tao Yin
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To: Askwhy5times

the pubies talk about the rights of the u.s. constitution.

the communists talk about “choice”.

so, it’s wrong no matter how you look at it.


25 posted on 09/17/2011 8:09:36 AM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: icanhasbailout
Apparently, with an "opt-in" system, the state cannot or will not pay for the vaccine. It must be on the mandated list for the federal government to pay for the inoculation.

It is a fairly expensive series of shots. That is why Perry went for the opt-out rather than the opt-in.
26 posted on 09/17/2011 8:10:08 AM PDT by Sudetenland (There can be no freedom without God--What man gives, man can take away.)
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To: Askwhy5times

Dear Blugrass Pundit; FYI, your article takes liberties with the FAQ the CDC has put out on Gardasil.

http://www.cdc.gov/std/hpv/stdfact-hpv-vaccine-young-women.htm

Love,

Til

PS: You also can’t believe what the CDC says.

PSS: Thought I’d let you know what the FDA says about your comment about age and immune system:

“Two studies were also performed to measure the immune response to the vaccine among younger females aged 9-15 years. Their immune response was similar to that found in 16-26 year olds, indicating that the vaccine should have similar effectiveness when used in the 9-15 year age group.”

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/QuestionsaboutVaccines/ucm096052.htm


27 posted on 09/17/2011 8:10:54 AM PDT by Til I am the last man standing (It's the internet Senators; We can see what you are doing!)
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To: icanhasbailout

I’ve not time for folks that are constantly reading agenda’s into every post that disagrees with theirs. It shows a lack of creativity and a base weakness in your own argument. And it is soooooooo boring to boot.

The EO was a bad decision. Period. MB’s attack was over the top and not in proportion. Period. Only folks whose agenda is to push MB for the nomination or to defeat Perry for the nomination would have a problem with that synopsis. Perry has been an executive for ten years. Only Romney and to some extent, Cain, have anywhere near that kind of executive record - meaning that those with executive experience are going to have more decisions in their past and thus, more mistakes in their past than those with zERO executive experience.

If we are not mature enough to look at the totality of a ten year record, then we are in deep trouble. Perry has an over all good record on parental rights and a checkered record on cronyism.

He uses state government a bit too agressively, but he has been consistent on rolling back the Fed’s power for a long time. Running for President, I am more interested in his long term view of the Fed Govt’ than necessarily his micro managing of the governorship. All are fair game, but keep our eye on the ball here folks.


28 posted on 09/17/2011 8:13:36 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Askwhy5times
No matter how well intentioned his actions were, this is still The United States of America where everyone is free to make those decisions, right or wrong, for themselves. His "order" smacks of dictatorship - and I'll eat as many french fries as I damn well please, moochelle 0bama!

FUBO GTFO! 491 Days until Noon Jan 20, 2013

29 posted on 09/17/2011 8:15:54 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: RowdyFFC

“As for the Texas Dream Act, WE TEXANS sponsored that bill and had it passed into law because it was the right thing to do for these children raised in Texas.”

We have lost California because of illegal immigration, why do things to lose Texas too? These programs just act like a magnet for more lawbreakers.


30 posted on 09/17/2011 8:15:54 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (Why does so few (IA, NH, SC) decide so much?)
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To: GBA

And what’s interesting is that her supporters are EXACTLY the same way. No one is really defending the EO on the vaccine. No one is saying Perry is not without problems. We all get the crony angle and the heavy hand of government angle. Almost everyone is saying that MB is someone they like and right on most issues.

And yet, like MB, her rabid supporters (or those rabid anti Perrys) won’t shut up. They will not shut up until we all admit MB should be President for life and that Perry should be executed for his EO on guardisil. Blah blah blah blah.


31 posted on 09/17/2011 8:19:13 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Askwhy5times

And one more for the road:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2007/feb/21/20070221-123326-7587r/


32 posted on 09/17/2011 8:20:40 AM PDT by Til I am the last man standing (It's the internet Senators; We can see what you are doing!)
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To: Hoodat
Diseases like HPV, HIV, and hepatitis are behaviorally obtained. The only way you are going to get them is by choice of actions.

Although those diseaes are "behaviorally obtained," it's not necessarily true that everyone who gets them has done so through improper behavior. For example, a young woman who's a virgin marries a man who isn't, the man having acqired HPV from another woman, and that man gives the HPV to his innocent bride. The bride would have been a lot better off with the vaccination than without it.

33 posted on 09/17/2011 8:20:47 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: bioqubit
What sort of "biologist?" PhD? Research? Immunology?

Clearly your claims are at variance with what the CDC says on its website.

Have you read the VAERS report? Coincidence is not the same as causality, whether you are discussing man made global climate change, or vaccine side effects.
VAERS data cannot be used to prove a causal association between the vaccine and the adverse event. The only association between the adverse event and vaccination is temporal, meaning that the adverse event occurred sometime after vaccination. Therefore, the adverse event may be coincidental or it may have been caused by vaccination, however we cannot make any conclusions that the events reported to VAERS were caused by the vaccine.
35 million doses have been distributed with only 68 deaths have been reported in those who have received the vaccine (32 confirmed) and the epidemiology shows NO statistical correlation that would imply causality.
In the 32 reports confirmed, there was no unusual pattern or clustering to the deaths that would suggest that they were caused by the vaccine and some reports indicated a cause of death unrelated to vaccination.

34 posted on 09/17/2011 8:22:24 AM PDT by Sudetenland (There can be no freedom without God--What man gives, man can take away.)
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To: cripplecreek
and bi national health insurance.

Since health insurance is sold by private companies, and as conservatives, we should be in favor of private enterprise, what exactly is your problem with bi-national health insurance? I thought we were trying to allow insurance companies to sell insurance across state lines - why is this any different?

Or are you trying to falsely imply that Perry wanted the state of Texas to pay for insurance for people in Mexico? That would be very dishonest of you.

35 posted on 09/17/2011 8:29:16 AM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: icanhasbailout
If it’s such a good idea, why couldn’t it be voluntary?

Consider the demographics in Texas. Hispanics are a majority. They have very high rates of teen prenancy and poverty. Gardasil is $360 for a series of three shots. Making it mandatory provides access that would not otherwise be available to a majority in Texas.

Perry's EO was the wrong way to address the situation, but that doesn't change the need for the vaccine in Texas. Gardasil has the potential to save Texas taxpayers money in the long run by preventing expensive cancer treatments.

36 posted on 09/17/2011 8:29:27 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Sybeck1
Yes, but the Dream Act more.

You keep wanting to lay the Dream Act solely at Perry' feet, but you neglect to mention that it was passed by the Texas Legislature twice with veto-proof margins, the first time just a few months after Perry took office.

37 posted on 09/17/2011 8:32:02 AM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: libstripper
Although those diseaes are "behaviorally obtained," it's not necessarily true that everyone who gets them has done so through improper behavior. For example, a young woman who's a virgin marries a man who isn't, the man having acqired HPV from another woman, and that man gives the HPV to his innocent bride. The bride would have been a lot better off with the vaccination than without it.

Exactly right

38 posted on 09/17/2011 8:33:09 AM PDT by Rex Anderson
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To: CA Conservative
Nice job little pastsy boy.

We allocated an additional $4 billion to the Medicaid program, and more than $900 million to the Children’s Health Insurance Program. I urged legislators to pass a telemedicine pilot program that will enable, through technology, a sick border resident of limited financial means to receive care from a specialist hundreds of miles away. But the effort to combat disease and illness requires greater cooperative efforts between our two nations. It is a simple truth that disease knows no boundaries. An outbreak of drug-resistant tuberculosis, for example, endangers citizens of both our nations.

Legislation authored by border legislators Pat Haggerty and Eddie Lucio establishes an important study that will look at the feasibility of bi-national health insurance. This study recognizes that the Mexican and U.S. sides of the border compose one region, and we must address health care problems throughout that region. That’s why I am also excited that Texas Secretary of State Henry Cuellar is working on an initiative that could extend the benefits of telemedicine to individuals living on the Mexican side of the border.

As a compassionate state, we know that for our children to succeed, they must not only be healthy, but educated. The future leaders of our two nations are learning their fractions and their ABC’s in classrooms all along this border. Immigrants from around the world are being taught in Texas classrooms, and our history is rich with examples of new citizens who have made great contributions. We must say to every Texas child learning in a Texas classroom, “we don’t care where you come from, but where you are going, and we are going to do everything we can to help you get there.” And that vision must include the children of undocumented workers. That’s why Texas took the national lead in allowing such deserving young minds to attend a Texas college at a resident rate. Those young minds are a part of a new generation of leaders, the doors of higher education must be open to them. The message is simple: educacion es el futuro, y si se puede.


Gov. Rick Perry's Remarks to the Border Summit
39 posted on 09/17/2011 8:34:08 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a Permenant Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: thackney
"disproportional reporting" of syncope (8.2 per 100,000 doses) and blood clots (0.2 per 100,000), compared with that seen with administration of other vaccines.

True, but an incomplete statement. Most of the women who had problems with blood clots had other risk factors, the key one being that they were on oral birth control when they got the shots. I think that was probably another factor in recommending that girls get the shot BEFORE they become sexually active.

40 posted on 09/17/2011 8:37:49 AM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
I look at the totality of his ten-year record and I ask myself, what limits on the powers of government, other than the discretion of those who lead it, does Rick Perry believe exist?

I believe the record shows with acts like Gardasil and the TTC that Perry believes government should be able to do anything if an argument can be made that that thing is a good thing to do. And on this I absolutely and wholly disagree with him just as much as I absolutely and wholly disagree with Obama's identical position.

I also know Perry will lie straight out to your face. And that makes anything he claims about his own motives suspect. The best that can be said for that is that perhaps it is a refreshing change to be flat-out lied to than have to dig through a mountain of weasel words to figure it out, as is custom.

41 posted on 09/17/2011 8:38:00 AM PDT by icanhasbailout
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To: Rex Anderson; libstripper
For example, a young woman who's a virgin marries a man who isn't, the man having acqired HPV from another woman, and that man gives the HPV to his innocent bride. The bride would have been a lot better off with the vaccination than without it.

More accurately: For example, a person who doesn't have HPV marries another who does, who then infects the uninfected spouse. The formerly uninfected spouse would have been a lot better off with the vaccination than without it.
42 posted on 09/17/2011 8:38:41 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: BuckeyeTexan

White man’s burden, then?

I am firmly in the camp in not wanting a government which thinks it knows better than me to be dictating decisions which are properly and wholly my personal business.


43 posted on 09/17/2011 8:40:40 AM PDT by icanhasbailout
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To: Sybeck1

These kids are here, most of them all their lives, not because of what WE TEXANS did or didn’t do. Because of what the feds have done. We’ve supported them all their lives already...they’re not going anywhere as they have no country to go to, they only know Texas. Why would you not want them to be able to afford to PAY for their own tuition so they can go to school and get a skillset that will allow them to support themselves in the future, if they are allowed to by some new federal policy, or wish to stay here by getting in line legally like everybody else for citizenship.

You do realize that we don’t know whether we’re going to be able to fend the commiecrats off an Amnesty program forever, right? Should they get put back in power?

Besides, there aren’t enough fence post hole digging or pole barn building jobs, or chicken plucking jobs to support them, in the first place.

Another besides is, are you going to raise your children to be fence post hole diggers, pole barn builders, or chicken pluckers to support those job needs? I’m not a snob, these are honest work for honest pay, but I’m encouraging my kids to aim a LITTLE higher than that at least. Actually since I’ve retired, I’ve done all three of those jobs, except for myself on my own farm. But for my life’s career and to plan for retirement...I knew I had to have a better plan.

I’m like you, I don’t want this invasion of my homeland, but quite frankly, we’re a little LATE in objecting! Pedro and Juanita are here along with Poblito and Pequena, as well as abuela and abuelo, and we’re in a mell of a hess. Unless we go totally Commando and start shooting or rounding up and marching them south. Frankly I like the Commando method...but are you going to go along with me? Or is the cruelty of the whole thing going to give you second thoughts when you start seeing toddlers and grandma’s on the march south.


44 posted on 09/17/2011 8:43:05 AM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: libstripper

How about if we leave it up to the “innocent bride” to decide, as an adult, if she feels she needs it before she gets married. If she feels she’s marrying a man, who unlike, herself, is not a virgin than she needs to take the responsibility to protect herself.


45 posted on 09/17/2011 8:43:11 AM PDT by beandog (You can't elevate Perry by tearing down Palin)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Michelle didn't hurt herself. Your average voter has little understanding of HPV or Gardasil and could care less.

I think they did tune in on this grinning politician casting his eyes on the 12 year old girls though.

Now that's the image problem his supporters really ought to deal with ~ it's the sort of thing that can move elections.

46 posted on 09/17/2011 8:51:13 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Hoodat
Here is what's different about the HPV vaccine. Diseases like HPV, HIV, and hepatitis are behaviorally obtained.

So why didn't Michele or Sarah do anything about the mandatory vaccinations required by each of their states for Hep-B when they were in state government? Hep-B is behaviorally obtained, primarily through sex and IV drug use, yet both Alaska and Minnesota mandate these vaccinations for infants and toddlers. If they are so adamantly against forcing vaccinations for sexually transmitted diseases, why didn't they say anything about that when they could have affected that situation.

For them to ignore that vaccination mandate and focus on this one smacks of crass political posturing, not true concern based on conservative principles.

When my son was freshly born, the hospital wanted to give him a vaccination for Hepatitis B. It required a strong stand on my part to dissuade them from doing it. But in the end, I found out I still had a free choice. When the state requires that vaccines be received, that choice no longer exists.

In other words, it was a mandatory vaccine with an opt-out, although apparently a more difficult opt-out to exercise than the Texas one. It was actually easier for parents to choose not to vaccinate their daughters against HPV than it was for you to choose not to vaccinate your child against Hep-B.

47 posted on 09/17/2011 8:51:13 AM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: Askwhy5times

Was wrong then, and still wrong now. Not fond of mental gymnastics for the apology crowd so that we become mere cheerleaders.


48 posted on 09/17/2011 8:51:44 AM PDT by commonguymd (Freedom is a myth anymore it seems)
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To: icanhasbailout
Gardasil is going to be one of the major economic winners of our time ~ it does hold out the promise of eliminating 70% of all cervical cancers, and that's a cancer you simply don't want to have.

I think if Merck made any mistake here it was in underestimating what it would take to build up the market ~

49 posted on 09/17/2011 8:54:51 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Til I am the last man standing

Gardasil is a series of three shots that are given over a period of months (8 mo. is the recommended period). Full protection isn’t achieved until the entire series has been given. It isn’t a last minute decision. That is why it should be given before sexual activity begins. The claim it wears off in 5 years is unfounded. Gardasil only has studies for 5 years of protection. It is not yet known how long the vaccine offers protection. The vaccine may protect for life or require a booster shot.


50 posted on 09/17/2011 8:56:57 AM PDT by Askwhy5times (http://bloggingredneck.blogspot.com/)
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