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Somebody Pls Explain Why We Care if the Palestinians Declare Themselves a "State".
self | sep 17, 2011 | self

Posted on 09/17/2011 2:07:01 PM PDT by beebuster2000

I dont get why we care? so what if they say they are a state. Maybe then they would act like one.


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1 posted on 09/17/2011 2:07:09 PM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: beebuster2000

Like Iran?


2 posted on 09/17/2011 2:10:00 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: beebuster2000

If they don’t “act” like one now, there’s no reason for them to “act’ like one if they get statehood. All out war and bloodshed with an ally is the reason most people care.


3 posted on 09/17/2011 2:10:56 PM PDT by Karliner ("If we were real domestic terrorists, shoot, Obama would want to pal around with us, wouldn't he?")
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To: beebuster2000

There is no such county as “Palestine”, there never was.

Comment: The Palestinians’ illegitimate UN gambit

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/Article.aspx?id=238144


4 posted on 09/17/2011 2:11:38 PM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: beebuster2000
Somebody Pls Explain Why We Care if the Palestinians Declare Themselves a "State".

I wish they would and the next day all that decide to live within the borders of "their" state can experience the power and excellence of the IAF before those Palestinian terrorists orgy with their 72 virgins.

5 posted on 09/17/2011 2:12:32 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: beebuster2000

Because as far as they are concerned, their “state” encompasses all of Israel, from the Jordan to the sea, and they will, at once, go to war with those interloper Jews.


6 posted on 09/17/2011 2:15:16 PM PDT by Excellence ( CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: beebuster2000

For the same reason the U.S. cannot tolerate secession by a state.


7 posted on 09/17/2011 2:16:09 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Karliner
If they don’t “act” like one now, there’s no reason for them to “act’ like one if they get statehood.

Terrorists don't care if they have a state or not, they will still insist on killing because it is what they "live" for.

The Palestinians who are good people live within the borders of Israel with content.

8 posted on 09/17/2011 2:16:50 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: beebuster2000

Could someone please explain to me, if a group of people has the ability and function to declare themselves a state, why they should care what that collection of zoo exhibits on the East River in Manhattan declares or doesn’t declare.


9 posted on 09/17/2011 2:16:59 PM PDT by stevem
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To: beebuster2000

PLO and Hammas are Terrorists. State run terrorism is the outcome of recognition.

No one sane wants that for Israel!


10 posted on 09/17/2011 2:17:16 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: beebuster2000
Israel Palestinian Conflict: The Truth About the Peace Process
11 posted on 09/17/2011 2:18:34 PM PDT by Irenic
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To: beebuster2000

because the world will recognize most of Israel as Palestinian land?


12 posted on 09/17/2011 2:22:26 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: beebuster2000

If they were a State maybe they wouldn’t pretend “Pls” is a word.

They might even learn when to capitalize.

Maybe you should try to be a State. Or at least semi-literate.


13 posted on 09/17/2011 2:23:08 PM PDT by humblegunner (The kinder, gentler version...)
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To: beebuster2000

Because ALL the leaders of the Palestinians have as their #1 priority the destruction of Israel.

All they have to do is pledge to live at peace with their neighbors and they can become a state.


14 posted on 09/17/2011 2:23:26 PM PDT by DManA
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To: beebuster2000

Among some of the good reasons posted above - there are agreements in place on how and when a “Pali State” can be recognized and - this ain’t it


15 posted on 09/17/2011 2:23:30 PM PDT by capydick (''Life's tough.......it's even tougher if you're stupid.'')
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To: beebuster2000
1. It would legitimizes the notion there is such a thing as a Palestinian,
2. Because every time Israel would retaliate for a rocket attack or some other terrorist act originating in the “Palestinian State”, the Palestinian state could claim invasion!
3. Also it rewards terrorism again!
17 posted on 09/17/2011 2:25:16 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Clairity

You wrote:

“There is no such county as “Palestine”, there never was.”

Once there was a Poland. Then, for about 130 years, there was no Poland. Then it disappeared for 5 years. Then it came back.

countries come and go. I don’t like the Palestinians, and I think their leaders are ghouls, but they have as much right to declare themselves a nation as anybody else.

Our ancestors settled in America, fought the Indians, manhy died because of the diseases we brought, and we created a nation that never previously existed.


18 posted on 09/17/2011 2:25:57 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: beebuster2000

I read something earlier this year here...about how “Palestine” got its name....had to do with a PALEOntology study going on in that area.....nothing more....I’ll go see if I bookmarked it.


19 posted on 09/17/2011 2:27:47 PM PDT by goodnesswins (My Kid/Grandkids are NOT your ATM, liberals! (Sarah Palin))
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To: Reily

“Because every time Israel would retaliate for a rocket attack or some other terrorist act originating in the “Palestinian State”, the Palestinian state could claim invasion!”

Actually, the first time the “Palestinian state” fires a rocket or mortar shell, it would be an act of war and Israel could hold “Palestine” collectively responsible as a state. When you’re held collectively responsible, it means retaliation can be directed against ANY military-related asset, including industries, infrastructures, and port facilities in your “country.”


20 posted on 09/17/2011 2:27:58 PM PDT by Winged Hussar (http://moveonpleasemoveon.blogspot.com/)
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To: beebuster2000

A lot of Israel’s oil and gas and potential oil and gas in the Mediterranean would be in Palestine’s territorial waters.


21 posted on 09/17/2011 2:28:22 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: vladimir998

To compare Palestinians to the Polish people is a real insult to Poland and the Polish.


22 posted on 09/17/2011 2:31:34 PM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: beebuster2000

Seriously, if you don’t know we should care, maybe you need to come out of your mommies basement and try to understand the real world

The second the UN ratifies the PA as a “state” the ME explodes


23 posted on 09/17/2011 2:32:04 PM PDT by Popman (Obama is God's curse upon the land....)
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To: beebuster2000

It would become the number one terrorist haven and training ground in the world, right next door to Israel.


24 posted on 09/17/2011 2:33:03 PM PDT by Sea Parrot (Democrats creation of the entitlement class will prove out to be their very own Frankenstein monster)
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To: Winged Hussar

but not only do they want to be a “state (i.e. a nation!)”, they want UN membership status! Which would mean any Israel retaliation would drag that useless organization even further into the mix.


25 posted on 09/17/2011 2:35:46 PM PDT by Reily
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To: mjp
A lot of Israel’s oil and gas and potential oil and gas in the Mediterranean would be in Palestine’s territorial waters.

Judea and Sameria has no coastline. Gaza is in the south. The gas and oil are off the mid and northern coasts.
26 posted on 09/17/2011 2:35:58 PM PDT by Tzfat
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To: vladimir998
That is a completely insane comparison.

we created a nation that never previously existed.

27 posted on 09/17/2011 2:35:58 PM PDT by DManA
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To: beebuster2000

Because it isn’t their land. Most Palestinians are refugees from the Lebanon and Syria civil wars as well as infiltrators from neighboring countries using Israel as a political football.

Them becoming a state would be akin to illegals here declaring that half of Texas belongs to them.


28 posted on 09/17/2011 2:36:42 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: beebuster2000

There Is No Palestinian State

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/09/16/there-is-no-palestinian-state.html


29 posted on 09/17/2011 2:38:02 PM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: beebuster2000

Please don’t hesitate to join the thread you started.


30 posted on 09/17/2011 2:38:07 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: goodnesswins

Palestine was named by Augustus Caesar and it actually occupied a lot of what we call Lebanon and Syria.


31 posted on 09/17/2011 2:39:01 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: mjp

If the Palestinians would agree to live peacefully, and developed their oil potential, Israel would benefit vastly from this oil, even if not a drop of it came from their territory. So again, it is the Palestinian mania to destroy Israel that is the only think holding these people back.


32 posted on 09/17/2011 2:40:32 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Clairity

You wrote:

“To compare Palestinians to the Polish people is a real insult to Poland and the Polish.”

That’s why I didn’t do it. I mentioned Poland as an example of a nation literally being extent, ceasing and being extent again. Nations are largely artificial creations.


33 posted on 09/17/2011 2:43:13 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Winged Hussar

Yes, I think this is the most important of all the observations on this thread.

If the Palestinians become a state (separated from Israel of course) then they will have to start acting like one. If they keep doing what they have been doing, the Israelis would have every right under international law to invade, conquer, and ANNEX them. (They should have done this with the West Bank in 67,IMHO)


34 posted on 09/17/2011 2:43:43 PM PDT by Sigurdrifta
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To: DManA

Everything I said was true. Nations come and go. A group of people can create nationhood very deliberately. It’s happening in Greenland right now, for instance.


35 posted on 09/17/2011 2:44:31 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: beebuster2000
It's a society whose sole means for existence and only product is “hate the Jews”!
I am reminded of a quote from Golda Meir when asked when will it all stop (terrorism), she said,’ When the love their children more then they hate us!’.
Unfortunately I don't think that will ever happen, ‘hate’ is the whole Palestinian reason for existence! The majority of them practice a religion that is built almost completely out of “ hate the other”, meaning those how don't share their misogynist, fatalistic, violent hate-filled word-view they call a religion!
36 posted on 09/17/2011 2:46:03 PM PDT by Reily
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To: beebuster2000

People can’t just declare themselves a state. That would be like the Tea Party declaring themselves an American state and expecting to have the rights of a state. Palestinians live in Israel, and until Israel agrees to be divided into states including a Palestinian state, there are no states. Also, the Palestinians want a vote in the UN after declaring statehood. No way.


37 posted on 09/17/2011 2:46:34 PM PDT by DRey (Perry/Rubio 2012)
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To: vladimir998

It was comparing American history to the current Palestinian/Israel situation that is insane. For so many reasons it’s not even worth taking this any farther.


38 posted on 09/17/2011 2:47:17 PM PDT by DManA
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To: beebuster2000

I hate when someone clueless starts a thread then never engages in it...... =.=


39 posted on 09/17/2011 2:47:24 PM PDT by cranked
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To: beebuster2000

God gave the Jews that land. In fact, the borders which He gave them was much larger than what they end up with today. He IS going to settle that situation suddenly and decisively. After He does, and people ask why that happened; tell them John 3:16.

That’s why I care. I pray for the peace of Jerusalem; but the Palestinians (Muslims) lob rockets over on to Israel from new borders every time Israel gives up “land for peace”. When Israel dares retaliate, Israel is condemned by the rest of the world.

The Turkish/Code Pink flotilla against Israel’s blockade of Gaza is an example of the split personality that Israel must contend with that makes absolutely no common sense.

Israel is an example of people being productive and innovative. The blood pressure drugs I take were researched, developed and produced in Israel. The list of Jewish advances in science, medicine and other categories is a long one. The list of “Palestinian/Muslim” advances in science, medicine and other categories is about two inches long.

Yet, our President and others pretend otherwise.


40 posted on 09/17/2011 2:47:48 PM PDT by Twinkie (For God (the Father) so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son .. John 3:16)
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To: beebuster2000

Because Saudi Arabia wants it and they have the oil we want.. Why do you think State kowtows to the Saudis? 3/4 of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi citizens. But SA felt no retributuion. Rice. Powell both did a lot of what they wanted - Annapolis for example with Rice. James Baker’s law firm defended the Saudis againt 9/11 families. SA is home to islam and islam wants to destroy Israel and the Jew. A Pali state is just the next step in their evil plan disguised as compassion for the Palis. Kuwait kicked out hundreds of thousands of Palis and the UN didn’t get all upset about that because the UN is in on it.


41 posted on 09/17/2011 2:48:04 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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Because Saudi Arabia wants it and they have the oil we want.. Why do you think State kowtows to the Saudis? 3/4 of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi citizens. But SA felt no retributuion. Rice. Powell both did a lot of what they wanted - Annapolis for example with Rice. James Baker’s law firm defended the Saudis againt 9/11 families. SA is home to islam and islam wants to destroy Israel and the Jew. A Pali state is just the next step in their evil plan disguised as compassion for the Palis. Kuwait kicked out hundreds of thousands of Palis and the UN didn’t get all upset about that because the UN is in on it.


42 posted on 09/17/2011 2:49:43 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: DManA

You wrote:

“It was comparing American history to the current Palestinian/Israel situation that is insane.”

I didn’t compare the two. I merely pointed out this country has not always existed.

“For so many reasons it’s not even worth taking this any farther.”

Suit yourself. The truth is plain: Palestine may not be a real country, but that doesn’t mean it can’t become one. The Palestinians may not have existed as a people just 60 yeras ago, but that doesn’t mean they can’t become one.

South Sudan anyone? New country as of this summer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Sudan


43 posted on 09/17/2011 2:54:34 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: goodnesswins

Palestine was derived from Philistine or the people of Philistia around 12BC. It derives from the Latin pronunciation.


44 posted on 09/17/2011 2:57:41 PM PDT by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: vladimir998

What possible purpose was there to mention the unspeakable tragedy of the exposure of new world peoples to old world diseases (the magnitude of which we are only now coming to grips with). You brought it up. How does this relate to the current Israel/Palestinian disputes?


45 posted on 09/17/2011 3:00:20 PM PDT by DManA
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To: beebuster2000

Because while Israel would be forced to accept a Palestinian “state”..the Palestinians would never accept the right of Israel to exist as a state. Also Israel would not have total control of airspace and frontier security to protect themselves.....

If they do the US should declare we are suspending all funding to the UN! (hey a Freeper can dream can’t he?) lol...


46 posted on 09/17/2011 3:05:09 PM PDT by jakerobins
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To: AppyPappy
I believe that the Palestinians should have statehood status!

That way when Israel is attacked by Hamas/Palestine they can declare war on those POS's.

47 posted on 09/17/2011 3:06:06 PM PDT by Dacus943
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To: Irenic

Very informative presentation. Thanks for posting


48 posted on 09/17/2011 3:06:31 PM PDT by Captain Rhino (“Si vis pacem, para bellum” - If you want peace, prepare for war.)
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To: DManA

Nations often don’t start off in the best of circumstances. Many come about because of war and other upheavals. Most likely Palestine as a nation will be born in chaos and bloodshed. How long will it last as a state? I have no idea.


49 posted on 09/17/2011 3:07:53 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Clairity
"To compare Palestinians to the Polish people is a real insult to Poland and the Polish."

To stick up for the Polish People being compared to Palestinians is a real insult to Russian politicians...! ;>

50 posted on 09/17/2011 3:12:02 PM PDT by Dacus943
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