Posted on 09/20/2011 2:45:30 PM PDT by Talkradio03
A newly released photograph of the deadly Nevada air racing disaster suggests the pilot in the crash may have become dislodged in the cockpit. The NTSB is investigating what caused a WWII era P-51 fighter plane to crash in Reno during Friday’s race, killing 10 people and injuring 70 others.
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Question...what kind of God would allow that to happen?
Dude, if let me know your travel itinerary so I know what plane NOT to get on.
They always say that regardless of the circumstances.
But I'm sure he would have avoided the crowd if he could have.
Please explain about a poor little baby born with severe birth defects...whose in charge of that decision?
I've raced sports cars. The seats in faster racing classes are also often customized to the driver. Even when you are in a lower budget car, the seat wraps around the driver's sides and holds him in place.
However, I've also experienced a fatigue failure of a seat mount bracket in an older vintage race car. There is nothing as painful as behing held in place in a race car under heavy (high G force) turning or braking by only your seat belts, with the weight of an unsecured seat, with pieces of the broken mounting brackets and framework still attached to the seat loose against your back sliding around with you and pressing you into the belts even harder.
Even among professional teams, seat failures or seat bracket failures have occured, though they are rare. In 1993 I think it was, at Road Atlanta, the Jaguar team was using a very high downforce setup on their GTP cars, and the weak link turned out to be the seat mount brackets. All of their cars retired from the failures, and one driver went to medical with groin injuries from the seat belts when his seat mounting bracket failed under braking.
Engineers usually don't think of seats and seat mountings as being potential points of failure, or being susceptible to fatigue failures. That's a mistake.
In 2010, there were essentially 11,000 alcohol-related traffic deaths, not 60K. In fact, this number has been declining quite precipitously, and the fatality rate (deaths per mile driven) is at an all time low.
I don't want to take away from your otherwise very salient point.
In my opinion, this air-race tragedy is garnering more attention due to it's “youtubiness” (People caught it on video).
Question...what kind of God would allow that to happen?Why ask that. Either you want free will, or you do not. You cannot have it both ways. We have free will, and thus some men reject God and instead do evil things.
That 'decision' was made when man fell from grace! We became imperfect and thus inherited all of the sorrows and woes that come with sin and imperfection .. including imperfect genes!
Too, if a mother chooses to drink, smoke, do drugs during pregnancy .. That also could account for all sorts of maladies!
Sure sounds a LOT More scriptural than you wanting to believe that GOD makes the decision to maim a child before it is born!
Either God lets things happen or controls everything that happens. Which is it? Or does God sometimes and capriciously (or if you prefer, mysteriously) interfere, intervenes? Because if God doesn’t control human destiny, having given man free will, then why pray for miracles, for strength, for assistance?!
“If this is true, and the pilot wasn’t in control, it was God who kept the plane from plowing into the grandstand.”
Oh, please, he had a control stick right there no matter if his seat fell back.
Someone has suggested a heart attack and another offered passing out from G forces.
Neither is likely since (A) these guys are the most medically checked and approved breed on earth, (B) since he'd been racing for years, he'd been hitting those same G forces for a long, long, time without blacking out, and (C) the forces in a race such as this push back and down - into the seat - not the head slamming & canopy banging you'd see in aerobatics.
Although this 'plane had raced a lot of times before, I don't think it is far-fetched to consider the seat simply breaking away from it's base, or the base from the airframe, etc. Bolts can work loose or be left loose after maintenance, and welds can fail from long use or poor technique.
It is also likely that any bulkhead behind the pilot and any equipment originally instilled there was long gone to reduce weight. He could have gone a long way back in the fuselage and a long way away from the controls and then held there because the aircraft was accelerating and he was no longer attached.
Which leaves the very chilling thought that he was trying to climb back to regain control the entire time from climb to crash.
“The pilot was 74...he could have had a heart attack.”
The pilot was 74...he could also NOT have had a heart attack.
>> “Please explain about a poor little baby born with severe birth defects...whose(sic) in charge of that decision?” <<
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The doctor that prescribed the drugs, the Pharma corp that made them, or the mother that consumed the junk that caused the defects.
Don't recall I made that assumption...you did...now after wading through your gibberish about "man falling from grace and therefore imperfect and then jumping to the fault being that the Mother chooses imperfect lifestyles, such as drinking, drugs etc.. what is it? You can't work both sides of the street...either God is in charge and control all...hence prayer works or....what.......
“whose in charge of that decision? “
Who said anyone was?
Why, what on earth could ever go wrong?? /s
You obviously know little about the flying business...you really need to go post on a thread where you don’t show your azz...that being said...GO BOOMER SOONER...
Because if God doesn’t control human destiny, having given man free will, then why pray for miracles, for strength, for assistance?!God can do miracles if it is within His desire, but when we pray, we should end all prayer with, "Thy will be done. not my will". We do pray for strength so we can be strong in the face of such disasters, and if by His will we are blessed to miss death by a mere second or sliver of space, then we are expected to understand that our time is not up yet.
So if I understand you logic the pilots who I flew with in Vietnam when were all in our 20's, who now have their names on the wall should be grateful that they didn't have to live a long life and grow old like me and wake up with the malady's of old age....or is there an age limit...to be spared that suffering thing?
Seems to me that is exactly what you were 'trying' to brush by me, (implying)!
Mother, drugs, imperfection .. it ALL falls back on Man making his/her own decisions and those decisions are OWNED by them alone!
A little scriptural history will help ..
In the garden of eden, man was given only One command .. "Though Shall Not eat of the tree of knowledge of what is good and bad"!
This was not a Magical tree giving man some kind of in-site into what was Really good and bad .. They already Knew because they had been told by God and were perfect beings.
When they ate the fruit of the tree .. They were saying that THEY could make their own decisions on what is good and bad and no longer needed God's guidance!
That is also why they were expelled from eden so as Not having the chance to eat of the tree of eternal life .. Life that was now sinful and .. Imperfect!
From that time forward man was given the freedom to make his own decisions!
Make sense?
Prayers are for those seeking guidance and comfort .. knowing that in the end .. God will again become the one to lead us from the darkness of sin and give us perfection in eternal life!
Ever known anyone who grew new arms or legs by praying?
I'm done.
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