Posted on 09/21/2011 8:23:43 AM PDT by AtlasStalled
Clint Eastwood's new film about J. Edgar Hoover which stars Leonardo DiCaprio as the storied FBI Director declines to expressly address his sexuality, and leaves it to viewers to draw their own conclusion about his relationship with Associate Director Clyde Tolson.
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M. Wesley Swearingen, an agent from 1951 to 1977, writes in FBI Secrets about the long-standing rumors within the Bureau concerning Hoover and Tolson which include allegations that the FBI Director ignored the Mafia for decades because the wise guys had incriminating goods on the supposed lovers.
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The allegations were fleshed out -- so to speak -- in Official and Confidential: the Secret Life of J. Edgar Hoover by Anthony Summer. A review of the book ("Partners For Life") by Sidney Urquhart for Time magazine summarizes one alleged incident as follows:
Perhaps Summers' most bizarre revelation is an account provided by Susan Rosenstiel, the wife of a liquor distiller and gambling crony. Rosenstiel recalls attending what she thought would be an elegant private party at New York City's Plaza Hotel in the company of lawyer Roy Cohn, Hoover and others. Instead, Cohn introduced Rosenstiel to a woman named "Mary," dressed in a fluffy black dress, lace stockings and high heels. It was obvious Mary was no woman. "You could see where he shaved. It was Hoover," said Rosenstiel. Joined by Cohn, Hoover stripped down to a tiny garter belt and proceeded to have sex with two young boys. Cohn later joked about the evening. "That was really something, wasn't it, with Mary Hoover?"
The "two young boys" with whom Hoover allegedly had sex perhaps were provided by Ed "the Skull" Murphy who was a long-time Genovese associate involved in the crime family's gay bar and boy prostitution rackets in New York City.
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Can we assume this was backed up by the local pimp, 2 hookers and an unemployed confidence man?
Wow. I bet that fag-hags will be all in a dither about this ommission of Hoover’s sex life.
True or not. Gossip or fact. For a bio-pic on Hoover, homo’s probably feel that open quuerness should be the overriding theme of this movie.
The standard story is that the Mafia wouldn't do certain things (such as deal in drugs) until the 60's. That before then they limited themselves to victimless crimes.
If this story is true then the Mafia made money off sodomy and pedophilia. However bad dealing drugs is, those are worse.
So this story is total bunkum or the Mafia has been rotten to the core from a lot longer than we were originally led to believe.
I wonder if this is just another “homosexuals claiming the dead”
JEH was a superb public servant. He rejected attempts to give him more power and fought off repeated attempts by a scumbag press to hamstring law enforcement and bring him down personally.
Yes, he made mistakes. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. may have been a womanizer, but he was not a Communist. A lot of Communists, however, tagged along with his movement and helped hijack it after he was killed. They may have even had something to do with having him killed.
Those were tough times and I challenge anyone to find someone from that era who could have handled things better than J. Edgar Hoover did. There was no FBI equivalent of Ruby Ridge or Waco when Hoover was in charge.
Hollywood, of course, is anxious to slime the memory of a great public servant so we'll forget what the FBI used to be.
The gay/crossdressing rumors about Hoover were probably created by his enemies.....he held so much power, even more than many Presidents that they had to knock him down in some way. He had secret files on everyone from hollywood to politicians they acted like they had secrets on him
I haven't studied the issue, but was raised believing Hoover was a great man that cared about his country and the caliber of the people that hated him pretty much insulated him in my mind. The story I got as a young man was that the only reference to his "homosexuality" was from one witness that was in prison because of Hoover. In my mind, that was a little thin. Today, we may say Obama wasn't born in America, and the press just says, well, look who is saying it. He may very well have been a homo, but I haven't seen unvarnished proof. Jesus was not married, but I don't call Him a homosexual,....that is thin proof of anything.
We do know without a doubt, however, that MLK was meeting with communists, and Kennedy was dating a Nazi, and there were Kennedy people there with Monroe on the day she took her last breath. Without more proof than just a convicts testimony, I will just wait to see about Hoover. If their is more proof, what exactly does that mean? Are we allowed to hate homo's now because libs hated Hoover?
Sorry, but it was JEH that tied him to the communist groups through wire taps and following him. He was more than friendly with some bad figures in the '60's.
Sadly, this Big Lie has been repeated so often that there are even some FReepers who believe it.
I am sick of this crap.
If anyone wants to see how accurate the criticism of J.Edgar Hoover is and was, you need only to view criticism of the following people by the left and the media, and their treatment in the history books and news:
Joseph McCarthy
Richard Nixon
Barry Goldwater
Ronald Reagan
John Ashcroft
and more...
None of these people were saints, but none were the epitome of evil that the Left makes them out to be.
The Left largely controls what we see in the news and history textbooks, so I discount much of what we know about J.Edgar Hoover.
I love the fact that the libtards who scream the loudest and longest about trampling of the rights of citizens, deplore J.Edgar Hoover (who opposed internment of Japanese US Citizens) and they love Franklin D. Roosevelt (Who supported and ordered it)
I am sick of lying down and letting these liberal pieces of crap dictate their version of history.
- there was no sexual relationship of any type with Clyde Tolson.
- Hoover was a mama's boy that never seemed to be able to develop any meaningful relationship with women.
- Hoover deliberately and REPEATEDLY lied about the Mafia. There is some famous newsreel footage of Hoover testifying before Congress stating that, “there is no organized crime in America.” I personally know someone that was in the FBI at the time and left it to join the IRS in disgust. He said the entire organization knew better and was sick about the comments.
Did Hoover try to protect the mafia because they had something on him, possibly homosexuality? To the best of my research no definitive smoking gun has ever been found.
What is absolutely proven and true is that for some reason he tried to take the focus and the heat off of the Mafia during the 50’s and 60’s. To me, it remains the most troubling question about the man.
It’s easy to attack a dead man.
No one had that kind of balls when he was alive.
He may have been a queer, I don’t know, but he had the Congressmen, Senators and Presidents, by the balls, and no one had the courage to call him a queer to his face, or even behind his back while he lived.
I don’t think that “J. Edgar” was a fag HOWEVER I think that he was a First Class Control Freak that NO Women would put up with.
Sorry, I think you need to read more on this subject and remember what your grandmother probably told you years ago: you are or become who you hang around with so pick your friends carefully.
The cross-dressing story doesn’t seem to be very well supported and it doesn’t even make sense that Hoover would take that chance. But based on his long-term relationship with Tolson and apparent lack of interest in women, IMHO Hoover was gay unless proven otherwise. That is the most logical and simplest explanation.
Leonardo DeCaprio ?
Good gosh. Really? So he is guilty by default, and the burden is on a dead man (or anyone who wishes to defend him) to prove otherwise?
The suggestion that Hoover was just a very good friend to Tolson and not sexually interest in women OR men seems to me to be as preposterous as suggestions that Michael Jackson was “nonsexual” and “like a child” and not at all sexually interested in the young men he liked to surround himself with.
Not buying it.
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