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8 Reasons Why The Great Depression Is The Best Case Scenario
SHTF Plan .com ^ | 9/21/11 | Silver Shield

Posted on 09/21/2011 9:53:15 PM PDT by Kartographer

Let us look a 8 reasons why the Great Depression is the best case scenario and also look at how difficult the Depression was for people who were far more prepared to deal with a harsh world.

Back during the Depression most of America could feed themselves with farming, now we only know corporate frankenfood. Back then people only knew of real wealth, now we think the digits in our brokerage account in wealth. Back then people had a strong family on community support systems, now we live little lives of narcissism. Back then people had a strong spiritual strength, now we have chemically induced denial. Back then people were of fit body and strong mind, now we are obese and willfully ignorant. Back then people had a classical education to help them figure things out, now we wait for answers. Back then people had a real economy, now we have a consumer/debt economy. Back then people did physical activity for fun, now we have entertainment that turns us in to mental and physical mush.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Society
KEYWORDS: bonds; collapse; depression; economy; getreadyhereitcomes; preparedness; preparenow; prepperping; preppers; survival; survivalping
This isn't going to be you Grandparents depression!
1 posted on 09/21/2011 9:53:20 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: Kartographer

Whatevuh, Henny Penny.... /S

It’s coming and it’s like a 40 day and 40 night rainstorm.

It just keep on flooding more and more.


2 posted on 09/21/2011 9:57:07 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

PING!


3 posted on 09/21/2011 10:04:41 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
Back then the unemployed men could travel out of town to find work. Now there's little work in those small towns.
4 posted on 09/21/2011 10:05:14 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: Kartographer
Deflation, What You Can Do To Survive The Economic Depression
5 posted on 09/21/2011 10:08:40 PM PDT by blam
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To: Kartographer
I think there's a difference though: we know the solution to get America going again.

Remember, in 1979-1980 we were suffering from a major economic malaise like now, and everybody said the USA has seen its best days. But yet, when Ronald Reagan became President, the enactment of a number of major tax reforms got the economy going again, so by the middle of 1984 the US economy was really booming.

We can do it again by streamlining the size of government and doing the biggest reforms of our tax code since the passage of the 16th Amendment--things that President Obama would NEVER do.

6 posted on 09/21/2011 10:10:59 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: Kartographer

Thanks, Kartographer. Read for tomorrow.


7 posted on 09/21/2011 10:11:26 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Kartographer; hiredhand

BTTT


8 posted on 09/21/2011 10:34:44 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Vendome

People really, really, really do not want to see the truth:

America will collapse, if we continue sending our jobs offshore.

China alone, has 4 times America’s population. That means China alone, could absorb EVERY SINGLE JOB IN AMERICA. And not even be at 25% employment.

“Free trade” is the problem. Not a solution.

Commence the trade war.


9 posted on 09/21/2011 10:38:18 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("Cut the Crap and Balance!" -- Governor Sarah Palin , Friday August 12 2011, Iowa State Fair)
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To: RayChuang88

Remember H. Ross Perot warned about the “giant sucking sound”.

Perot was right.


10 posted on 09/21/2011 10:39:22 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("Cut the Crap and Balance!" -- Governor Sarah Palin , Friday August 12 2011, Iowa State Fair)
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To: Kartographer

My husband’s grandmother came here in a covered wagon, his grandfather was a farmer and a rancher, same with his parents, same with him and now with our son. He learned to do everything the old fashioned way and I trust him to handle anything. I always tell everyone that I married my common sense.

I am planning and have provisions for when the real SHTF but I know that he could handle it if I hadn’t. Most of my relatives have said that they are coming to our place when it happens.


11 posted on 09/21/2011 10:53:12 PM PDT by tiki
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To: Kartographer

The elite are feasting on the dead corpse of America but soon they’ll be on the menu as well.


12 posted on 09/21/2011 10:57:24 PM PDT by wolfman
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To: wolfman

America is heading for dead corpse status AS A RESULT of “free trade”.

We can stop that process, with a real trade policy.

“Free trade” is not a trade policy. It is treason.


13 posted on 09/21/2011 10:59:56 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("Cut the Crap and Balance!" -- Governor Sarah Palin , Friday August 12 2011, Iowa State Fair)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
I think Perot made that remark because our regulations and income tax laws made it necessary for companies to export jobs in order to improve their bottom line. And this was back in 1993, too.

We now know better, and with streamlined government size and regulations and a far more business-friendly taxation structure, you will see a land rush of jobs coming back to the USA. Most people would laugh at that suggestion, but consider the following:

1. China may have to "float" the Yuan, and that could send their labor costs soaring.

2. The increasing cost of transportation could erode the advantages of Chinese production, especially since some of their biggest export markets--namely the USA and Europe--are no longer cheap to ship finished goods to (diesel fuel and jet fuel ain't cheap anymore!).

14 posted on 09/21/2011 11:00:33 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: RayChuang88

I think we fundamentally disagree.


15 posted on 09/21/2011 11:01:16 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("Cut the Crap and Balance!" -- Governor Sarah Palin , Friday August 12 2011, Iowa State Fair)
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To: RayChuang88

Taxes are at a historical low for the top 20% and for Multinational Corporations...So where are the jobs?


16 posted on 09/21/2011 11:19:24 PM PDT by KDD (When the government boot is on your neck, it matters not whether it is the right boot or the left.)
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To: KDD
But at what cost? When you have corporations spending a fortune to lobby for a tax break in Washington, DC (often with a lot of strings attached!) or engage in very complex and expensive accounting schemes like the Double Irish and Dutch Sandwich methods just to cut their tax burden, small wonder why companies find it cheaper to just export jobs, factories and even corporate headquarters for tax avoidance reasons.

With major income tax reform like the Forbes flat tax plan or take it even further with the FairTax replacement for the income tax, we no longer need to engage in these time and money-wasting activities anymore. Companies can now spent more time maximizing profits, not getting the lowest tax burden.

17 posted on 09/21/2011 11:25:12 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: RayChuang88

18 posted on 09/21/2011 11:29:19 PM PDT by KDD (When the government boot is on your neck, it matters not whether it is the right boot or the left.)
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To: RayChuang88
"We now know better, and with streamlined government size and regulations and a far more business-friendly taxation structure, you will see a land rush of jobs coming back to the USA. Most people would laugh at that suggestion, but consider the following:"

If those who do the hiring aren't finished by what they and their government-employed relatives started. If they retain wealth and business, then those jobs will come home to a hardened people--some more ready to compete than to work for others. There might also be the problem of foreign nations detaining otherwise returning employers.

"1. China may have to "float" the Yuan, and that could send their labor costs soaring."

China's been somewhat floating the yuan for several years, but our world business-government leaders continue to artificially prop the USD. They're stuffing it more, as we speak.

"2. The increasing cost of transportation could erode the advantages of Chinese production, especially since some of their biggest export markets--namely the USA and Europe--are no longer cheap to ship finished goods to (diesel fuel and jet fuel ain't cheap anymore!)."

According to propaganda sponsored by our US leaders since 2007, China has been crashing and overwhelmed by internal civil war. And they've been saying that oil is crashing and in overabundance for as long.

Granted, oil might go down with other markets for a short while, but it will rise sooner than most other things. So will food. As for the currencies, those will eventually be allowed to balance. Otherwise, the whole global house of cards will fall.


19 posted on 09/21/2011 11:34:52 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), Army NG, '89-' 96)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
America will collapse, if we continue sending our jobs offshore.

Yep. As I said back when about the 'service economy', we aren't going to be able to make a living scrubbing each other's toilets.

At some point, wealth has to be created. Mine it, refine it, manufacture finished goods, and create wealth. That goes for everything from almonds to Zinc, and beyond.

The first monkey to get off our economic back is the gorilla the EPA and associated anti-industry industries have become. Yes, there are reasonable regulations the industry--and people can live with, but moving target standards which never say anything is 'clean enough' are not the ticket to industrial prosperity.

Quit snapping up land at the Federal level, and instead open up the resources America has to be used wisely instead of locked away to rot on the stump.

Careful stewardship means the preservation of dynamic systems, not maintaining (or trying in vain to maintain) static snapshots of those systems. Trees sprout, mature, grow old, and die. If cut in their prime they are a resource which can be replaced by new plantings. If not, they become the fuel base for the next devastating wildfire.

We need to quit subsidizing poverty, too, where people make a career guiding multiple generations through the process of living off the productive, and stress freedom from dependency. A lot will change--it will have to--before we can pull out of the slump that America is in, we have far to go, and RINOs and Liberals aren't going to get us there.

20 posted on 09/21/2011 11:40:45 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

We need import tariffs.

The rest can be worked on. Tariffs would immediately stop the damage.


21 posted on 09/21/2011 11:44:25 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("Cut the Crap and Balance!" -- Governor Sarah Palin , Friday August 12 2011, Iowa State Fair)
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To: Kartographer
In some ways the SHTF culture reminds me of the liberals who yearn for climate disaster to punish humanity for its wicked ways.
22 posted on 09/21/2011 11:45:23 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: KDD

US corporate tax is the highest in the developed world, which is a big factor in driving business out of the country.


23 posted on 09/22/2011 12:09:31 AM PDT by MrShoop
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To: KDD
just found a recent chart of the corporate tax rates:


24 posted on 09/22/2011 12:14:44 AM PDT by MrShoop
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
I suggested inport tariffs on crude oil back in 1986, to do two things: Continue development of our own resources to improve the balance (we produced roughly 40% of our oil then, when the late 70s boom due to the Arab Oil Embargo went bust) and to put some of the severely depressed domestic oil patch back to work (along with myriad associated industries).

My Congress critters (D) would have nothing to do with it.

I sent something similar to the White House and got back a form letter thanking me for my concern about agricultural issues. I guess they looked at the state on the return address and pulled out a likely form letter.

Not only would our government have had the revenue from those tariffs, imposed on imported oil only, and declining with increase in price (when the price is high enough, domestic drilling will occur anyway), but instead of our domestic oil production declining as a percentage of what we use, it might have at least maintained. In addition, we would not have sent enormous sums overseas for energy we could have produced here.

We are in worse shape than ever, having exported billions annually and closed off some of the richest prospects in America to oil drilling, mining, and the timber industry.

Every mine, mill, and well that isn't operating here translates into sending jobs and money elsewhere, along with building infrastructure to support those industries elsewhere.

The losses have been enormous, and we continue to bleed.

25 posted on 09/22/2011 12:16:09 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Yardstick
FRiend, I have great grandchildren. I'd rather they ask me why I have food stacked in the cellar twenty years from now (and look at me funny when I explain) than have a collapse.

I think this can yet be fixed, but it's going to take some changes, a lot of people getting off their federalized largesses, and some real shifts in attitudes. Without that, we're in trouble.

We're facing watermellon-indoctrinated generations who think the least crumb of dirt will kill them, yet who pick their noses and eat finger food. We're facing millions of able-bodied people who have never worked a day in their life and who threaten us when we balk at supporting them.

We're facing obligations to the generations who built the country we're trying to save, and not all of them voted for the idiots who have led us down the wrong path, many worked hard to keep things on a better course, or this discussion would have been had through handwritten letters to the editor--if at all, a couple of decades ago.

And we're facing a large proportion of a population who think sitting on their arses and wiggling their fingers (like I'm doing now) is work, who have never done 'stoop labor'.

Some things are going to change, and the change isn't going to be pretty--and that's the best case.

I don't look forward to that adjustment, but it's like taking bitter medicine. You don't want to, but things aren't going to get better until you do. So I prepare for the worst, and pray for the best, and pray that God guides us all.

26 posted on 09/22/2011 12:29:33 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Yardstick

The current period is the first in history where it was considered abnormal to store food.


27 posted on 09/22/2011 4:29:25 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Yardstick; Smokin' Joe; metmom; ChocChipCookie

In some ways people who make statements like yours remind me of the liberals who claim people want guns in their homes so that they can kill people.

I see the bit I’ve put aside as being no different than keeping a couple fire extinguisher around the house, a first aide kit in the car or flashlight and a gun next to the bed. I hope to God that I never have to use my gun to kill someone, but at least I have the option and the means to protect myself and my household.

A man has to live with his thoughts and his actions as Smokin’ Joe put it I rather explain to my grandchildren about what I have put up in the pantry than to see them cold and hungry.

But then someone has to stand on the bridge waiting for FEMA to bring them a warm blanket, a MRE and a bottle of water so that the network anchors can have their money shot. Just make sure give a shout out to us FReepers.

“There is no greater disaster than to underestimate danger.

Underestimation can be fatal.”


28 posted on 09/22/2011 4:36:52 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: MrShoop

Indeed, that chart actually bolsters my case that with major income tax reform like at least going to the Forbes flat-tax plan, we could enjoy a major revival in the USA economy. I mean, look two countries with a corporate tax rate close to the proposed Forbes 17% rate—Canada and Chile; note both economies are doing pretty well nowadays!


29 posted on 09/22/2011 5:45:47 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: Kartographer
The worst part is most of the stuff Americans buy are cheap stuff from China that will either break or have no real value in the next paradigm.

Even worse, the current "economy" if we can call it that, requires that we buy that crap, otherwise we get a worldwide collapse. However I disagree a bit with the author. The Chinese crap will have lots of value for the government because they will collude with the major vendors to limit information freedom. If you expect that you will simply log into FR to get the information you need to survive, think again.

30 posted on 09/22/2011 6:25:50 AM PDT by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: driftdiver
The current period is the first in history where it was considered abnormal to store food.

I never did like following the crowd anyway.

Maybe that would make a new great tagline.....

"Not normal and proud of it."

31 posted on 09/22/2011 8:21:30 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: RayChuang88

Totally agree!


32 posted on 09/22/2011 9:11:15 AM PDT by MrShoop
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To: RayChuang88

True. Outsourcing only saves money if it’s still cheap after the cost to import the goods.


33 posted on 09/22/2011 5:23:23 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: Squantos
We watch and measure...plot the trajectory of the collapse, but few people want to hear what we have to say, much less react in a positive way to it. They're so far in debt and have no hope of getting out in a reasonable time frame, that they trudge on... fighting to keep the house they can't afford.... fighting to keep the car they can't afford. The whole time they lie to themselves saying that they worked hard for it and that they deserve it. Working hard is only part of the equation. It doesn't bring good things on it's own. I've known some hard working thieves in my time. But the people I'm talking about never owned anything to start with. A person who doesn't own what they have is relatively easy to take from. They know in their heart that they don't own what they have. They know they're a debtor and they have a debtors disposition. Contrast this with a person who OWNS what they have. Everybody is much less willing to try to take from that person! It's a risky proposition! Debtors are slaves, and they act like it. They're driven by their circumstances and have NO control whatsoever over the outcome. But they got this way because they trusted things in this world instead of God, and we are guaranteed disappointment when we do that...and if we have anything in America right now, it's a lot of disappointment! The truth is that they should downsize radically and change the way they budget and spend. Getting out of debt should be their number one priority! But they won't do it. They have some vain hope that things are going to stay the way they WERE even though things haven't been that way for a couple of years now. These people live in a world that simply doesn't exist any longer. Moreover this, the same mentality that brought the current batch of tyrants into power is still driving politics. They're completely reactive. They react to their own desires instead of a stable, underlying principle. They'll vote for the one who promises what they want... whatever that is.... and they'll resist and fight those who oppose them. We're seeing a good illustration of this now with resistance against the TEA Party.

I actually know people who look me in the eye and tell me that things are getting better. It's like watching water rise into a dwelling. Somehow, they don't perceive it. They think we're quaint because we garden, can food, and keep livestock. I feel bad for people like them because when the situation is simply too terrible to ignore any longer, it will appear to have come on them suddenly, and they won't react well, much less be prepared in any way, shape, or form. Several of these have indicated that they'll come to my place if the doo-doo hits the fan. I just smile to myself when they say this because they're all at least 50 miles away and myself and the others can keep them and many, MANY others away at a distance many times over. Not that this would happen, but I'm reasonably certain that they won't be showing up at my place. They'll go to a FEMA shelter, or some other similar place. That's their mentality. It's why they perceive things the way they do, and we perceive things the way we do. They'll no more show up with us and our types than we will stop doing what we're doing in the face of what's coming. In fact, I have a theory that they'll forget all about our types when FEMA tells them all where to assemble. They won't think about coming to our place, because they'll believe that we will have done the same thing. Yeah... let's see how that works out. :-)

I hate the phrase, because it's considered profane in our language, but it rings true and sums it all up fairly well....

There is some bad shit coming.
34 posted on 09/23/2011 7:21:03 AM PDT by hiredhand
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