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Posted on 09/23/2011 6:54:44 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
THE TRUTH FOUND A VOICE IN RICK PERRY
FoxNews-Google GOP Primary Debate [September 22, 2011] Gov. Rick Perry: [snip] If you say that we should not educate children who have come into our state for no other reason than that they've been brought there, through no fault of their own, I don't think you have a heart. We need to be educating these children because they will become a drag on our society. I think that's what Texans wanted to do. Out of 181 members of the Texas legislature, when this issue came up -- only four dissenting votes. This was a state issue. Texas voted on it. And I still support it greatly. [end] Texas Gov. Rick Perry responding to a question by Chris Wallace
Gov. Rick Perry has stated (for years) that the U.S. border with Mexico must be sealed. He has requested assistance (many people on the ground and drones in the air for Intel he has studied how this is done in Israel). As Governor of Texas, he has been rebuked in person by the current president, who refuses his pleas for the Federal government to do its duty and provide the necessary means by which to seal our countrys international border with Mexico. The governors written requests go unheeded.
Texas spends hundreds of millions of dollars of state money to defend its border with Mexico. An elite Texas Ranger unit, put together by Perry, is working to hold the line on our border. Rick Perry has stated that fences do work in urban areas but are not effective, let alone feasible, along the 2000 mile Mexico - U.S. border (1200 miles in Texas alone). The Federal government ignores this problem, while at the same time blaming and punishing border governors when they try to protect their states. People in other states, without understanding the facts, blame border governors when this federally manufactured problem spreads into their states.
President Obama believes security is just fine on the border (better in fact than before he took office) and frankly, hes following past examples where foreigners are allowed to cross into the U.S., where those with work visas are allowed to slip into U.S. society without any earnest, federal or court action to prevent it, where states are not allowed to ask children their legal status before attending school, where healthcare is accessible to everyone and where federal social justice programs have been put into place, thus beginning the progressive process of teaching new generations that it is normal to be dependent on government largess. [funded by those more fortunate Americans]
Then, periodically, another couple of generations are proclaimed by the federal government to be in the U.S. legally, by magnanimously proclaiming, You can come out of the dark now and stay. [sign up here for your Democratic Party voter card]
Rick Perry, as president, wants to finally seal the border and stop the flow of illegal immigrants and drugs stop those vile cartels who traffic in human beings and drugs, and secure a dangerous, porous entry used by terrorists seeking to destroy America. The current administration is willfully enabling those who prefer border security remain as it is, those who characteristically (for self interest) want to avoid addressing and dealing with these problems.
Undeniably, Governor Perry is the GOP candidate most familiar with this issue and the problems associated with it. Texas has a long and rich history with Mexico. Mexico is the number one trading partner with America. Many U.S. citizens have Mexican ancestors who are proud Texans and Americans, many who have, are, and are willing to fight for America. Hispanics are the largest minority living in the United States. They have a high birth rate and are a major minority voting demographic. This didnt happen because Texas shares over 1200 miles of international border with Mexico. The current magnitude of the problem, along with the number of the illegals in Texas and the United States, has everything to do with historic and current Federal inaction.
The Federal government looks to the states and tells them to deal with it. So state governments and their citizens have to deal with crime and a fast growing, uneducated population that puts a huge strain on state and federal resources. The resulting fall out for state government is, youre damned if you do and "youre damned if you dont." Gov. Perry and the Texas Legislature have accepted the criticism for taking the damned if we do path because theyre dealing with it first hand and Texans understand that "we're damned if we don't." These children are here, their potential and future has been put on our watch -- it is a practical and human decision and as Rick Perry said, You dont have a heart if you dont.
In 2001 the Texas Legislature voted in an Act (signed by Gov. Rick Perry) allowing children brought to the U.S. illegally (basically stateless people) by their parents, who complete 3 years of high school in Texas (graduate and want to attend college) to apply for U.S. citizenship and pay instate tuition. Their anchor baby siblings have this right by virtue of the 14th Amendment (that gave citizenship to children of slaves slavery was abolished by the 13th Amendment). If the country wants to abolish anchor babies, a majority of states need to vote for a change to the U.S. Constitution. The Texas education program is called the Texas Dream Act. The Texas Dream Act is not the same as the rejected Federal Dream Act proposed by the U.S. Senate because that federal legislation in totality and reality was an immigration bill.
The purpose of the Texas Dream Act is to have successful, educated citizens contributing toward a strong economy -- not unemployed or underemployed school dropouts who place a huge drain on our system [and begin generational poverty in their communities]. As past Federal actions have repeatedly shown Texas, illegal immigrants most likely will be allowed to stay. So the smart thing to do is allow them to pay instate tuition and be contributing citizens versus benefits receiving citizens. Gov. Mitt Romney does not agree with this and in fact rejected this approach in Massachusetts.
The truth found a voice in Rick Perry. Gov. Perry has said and believes that Conservative Ascendancy is how we will bring America back from the brink. Besides getting Americans working again we need to show them the value of conservatism and how those values encourage and support strong families and a free country.
Last night former Gov. Mitt Romney sounded like a Snidley Whiplash-Simon Legree character, while Gov. Rick Perry was Dudley do right looking after Little Orphan Annie. How do you think Barack Obama will (or won't) play these sound bites in his re-election bid for 4 more years?
Mitt Romney wants the status quo, which continues to feed the pipeline of generational, programmed victims -- driving trapped and dependent people into the arms of the growing army of the Democratic fight for social justice Party. Rick Perry wants to change the status quo and bring more voters into freedom businesses owners, entrepreneurs eager to join the Republican Conservative Ascendancy Party no matter what their last name or color, or gender or faith. And the border must be sealed first in order to do this.
Do the math. Rush Limbaugh has. Rush, like Gov. Perry, wants everyone to succeed (not secede). Rush, like Rick Perry, knows were at the crossroads that will decided the future path of the United States (and the world). Will it be Perpetual Dependency or Conservative Ascendancy? Democratic Party leaders are herding us into warring camps hoping to take us on the road to socialism. The states must take back power from the Federal government and get this country back on the road to free market capitalism.
This isnt a Sound Bite issue.
Nice try Mitt.
Just say NO to entitlements for illegals! If you educate them then you will be forced to either give amnesty or change the law so that they can be legally employed. And once we reward them even more for breaking the law there will be no border and no sovereignty left.
If the schools knowingly harbor an illegal, they need to be treated like a company who hires an illegal! FINE THEM, send the kids and their illegal parents back to their own country for an education.
Rick Perry, I like you. But a little word of advise. You are not going to get very far by calling your audience “heartless”.That word is exclusively owned by Democrat campaigners. They could sue you for plagarism.
So if the illegals don't get Perry's college tuition discount, they can't get an eduction? I did not know that "college eduction" was now a "right"?
Do we want this type of thinking in the White House?
I understand the plight of kids who were brought here when they were young and know no other country. They can become citizens—but until they do, why should they stand ahead of citizens from adjoining states for in-state tuition benefits?
I paid out-of-state benefits when my kids went to college. Why should a non-citizen get subsidies I don’t get? That’s not the same as not educating them, especially if they get on a path to citizenship—it’s just removing a benefit they get that the citizens of 49 out of 50 states do not.
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In-state tuition for illegals ought to cause immediate lawsuit for out-of-state legal kids to get the same tuition. Beyond encouraging illegal immigration, it is very clearly an issue of equality before the law. The illegal and the out-of-stater are on the same footing with regard to the reason for having in-state tuition.
I could not disagree with your position any more vehemently, although I will not engage in personal attacks over it.
These R-I-N-O's deserve a free trip to the Tar and Feather pit.
I’m confused - are we talking about children, or college aged adults?
Instate tuition for illegals or their anchor babies is the wrong thing to do with our tax dollars. This encourages everyone who can, to enter our country illegally, and we must foot the bill. We abide by the law, the do not. Illegals and their offspring must be deported permanently.
Perhaps it’s a bit cynical on Perry’s part but he may simply be one of the first Republicans to realize that large numbers of the illegals get to vote here. They have heretofore been a wholly owned subsidiary of the democrats. I don’t agree with providing benefits to illegals but I really don’t agree with letting their vote saddle us with another four years of obama.
I’m not sure what to do since simple, workable solutions seem pretty scarce.
Sorry but Rick blew it BIG TIME last last night and lost me as a supporter in the process! Here’s why.
When the legislature passed the bill to provide in state tuition for illegals the make up of the Texas legislature was much different than it is today. Republicans (not conservatives) held a one seat majority in the Texas Senate (16 republicans to 15 democrats). The Texas house was composed of 78 democrats and 72 Republicans. Today the Texas Senate is composed of 19 republicans (not conservatives) and 12 democrats. The Texas House has 101 Republicans and 49 democrats. That is a HUGE change over 10 years and one of the main reasons this has occurred is this very issue!
Rick Perry was dealt a bad hand back then. EVERY member of the legislature save four voted for this bill even though the public was adamantly opposed to it. Perry, the newly minted governor of Texas at that time, signed it into law and I seriously doubt that anyone would have done differently under the circumstances.
The public in Texas adamantly opposed the idea of granting in state tuition to illegals then and they still do today. It was shoved down our throats by the 77th legislature and that is, at least in part, why the current make up of the legislature is what it is!
Until today, I had thought Rick Perry understood all this but his words last night convince me beyond all doubt that I was wrong! He doesn’t get it and chose to insult those of us in Texas who have always opposed in state tuition for illegals! He’s done! He will only sink the polls from this point until he finally decides to pack it in!
For the record Mitt Romney is lying like a rug about what Rick Perry said in his book (If you don’t believe that get yourself a copy of the book and read it for yourself!) and I won’t support him either!
As of this moment I’m back in the wilderness as to whom I will support. I know for sure I will not support Rick Perry, Mitt Romney, Jon Huntsman, or Ron Paul.
Herman Cain is looking mighty good to me at this moment but I’m going to wait and see what Newt comes out with next week in his new Contract with America!
Perry stated the truth...most of the other debaters just said what people wanted to hear. A big bunch of liars especially Mittens. Bachmann says cut off all government monies to the illegals...boy, do I agree with that...but on Bachmann’s part it is nothing more than rhetoric...what the crowd and the tv audience wanted to hear.
Granted, I don't believe illegals should get anything at all. That way, there would be no incentive for them to come here. We wouldn't need boots or fences. AND - it would all be free! It wouldn't cost the American tax payer one red penny! Unfortunately,when it comes to D.C., - "It's the votes, stupid."
i used to live across the freeway from pflugerville in wells branch.
Thank you and God Bless You!
Thank you and God Bless You!
If my legal kids can’t go to college at in state tuition rates why should illegals? Perry insulted ME when he called me heartless cause I don’t think they deserve that rate.
PLEASE ANSWER! DO YOU THINK I AM HEARTLESS TOO? DO YOU LIKE PERRY INSULT PEOPLE WHO DO NOT AGREE WITH YOU?
The problem for Perry is that to use his voice he has to open his mouth and when he does, he sticks both feet in (cowboy boots and all).
After the next debate St. Rick will be polling below Santorum.
Limbaughs on in about an hour and a half and hell have plenty of excuses for Perry
[In-state tuition for illegals ought to cause immediate lawsuit for out-of-state legal kids to get the same tuition]
They do if they have lived in the state for a year. The illegal residency requirement is 3 years, graduate from a TX high school, and be working toward US citizenship. I think this is why the law stand ups to legal challenges under federal law. No benefit is offered to the illegals that is not offered to all US citizens.
We have in-state tution for illegals in KS. I did not support the law.
Sorry, but you, your candidate, and the Perry Apologist who wrote this article lack principles on this issue.
You don’t make it easier to stay in this country if the person is here illegally.
And most important, the children of illegal immigrants are the responsibility of the Illegal Alien, not the State and not the citizens of that State.
By pushing this emotional crap of a position on this issue, Perry, and his supporters have taken up the Progressive Idea that it is somehow the State’s responsibility, and by extension, it’s citizens to take care of the children of somebody else when they are perfectly able to take up that responsibility themselves.
Take the “We are the world” mentality somewhere else.
Rick Santorum said something similar to Perry. Perry lost me on that.
“He’s from a huge border state. Perry has boots on the ground, and doing what he can to keep illegals out.”
Jan Brewer and Susana Martinez are border state governors working to keep illegals out; Rick Perry (aka George W. Bush, Jr.) is not.
We are talking about high school graduates who have been in TX for 3 years and who are working towards citizenship.
I don’t support in-state tuition for illegals. We have it in KS. I do, however, understand why TX would. I think it is a state issue (that should resonate with Romney and his supporters—Romneycare anyone). This is not an issue that would make or break my support for Perry though. He wants the border secured.
Well, I for one will wear the mantle of “heartless” proudly if that’s the way Perry wants to frame his muddled, speech-impaired, argument. He can take his illegal loving RINO garbage and head on back to ol’ Texas. I won’t miss him a bit.
Is it too much to ask that our politicians put America’s citizens first? Why give rights to those who broke our laws? Is this what is now fashionable, and breaking the law(s) of our nation is a requirement to obtain citizenship and rights? If this is the way it is forever and forward in America and the way thing are going to be ... why should I or any other law-abiding citizen bother with saving this Republic for future generations? Future generations will say I was wrong for allowing this abomination. Once there was a fact of The Rule of Law being obeyed predominately within this nation, now The Rule of Law and our Constitution is shredded everyday by the ruling elite and becoming a memory. While not wanting to walk away from our nation under siege, I truly have to wonder is fighting for and trying to Preserve, Protect, and Defend this current set of circumstances being thrust upon all the law-abiding worth the effort where the lawless are looked upon with favor while the law-abiding are asked to pay for another’s lawlessness. Our ruling elite have given their answer. What will be America’s answer?
BTW what does 'working towards citizenship' mean?
Are there any sources that show Texans opposed this when it was passed and that they oppose it now?
Who proposed the bill?
Rush is gone today. Mark Steyn is sitting in for him.
Limbaugh is out today.
Mark Steyn will be filling in.
Well said. I agree completely. I don’t want Perry or anyone in the White House who thinks illegal immigration should be subsidized and who favors illegals over American citizens.
Perry comes from a conservative border state, and has a border state mentality. Romney comes from Sodom Massachusetts, and has a eastern, liberal state mentality.
If it comes down to the two candidates, I choose the conservative border state mentality.
By that logic RomneyCare is not the same as ObamaCare, but Perry says it is. How convenient for him.
Ricardo Perry is proving himself to be the same brand of folksy, twangy, Bible-carrying "Compassionate Conservative" statist Texan as his predecessor Jorge Bush was. Praise the Lord and pass the Amnesty!
As the spouse of a LEGAL immigrant abiding by America's laws, as I was/did in her country for many years, Ricardo Perry can K.M.A.!!
how do illegal aliens work towards US citizenship? it’s simply not possible, if you are working towards citizenship that implies you are following the law and therefore you are a legal alien. I think perry is obfuscating like all rino/dems do
When I consider that educating the illegal’s children will help our society, it makes sense. As long as we do away with college studies that promote these educated Latinos to go back and organize their people against the current government.
Romney really ticks me off when he stands there like a preening peacock and ridicules Perry for telling the truth about social security. Really! As Gore said “what shud be dowan is uuup and what shud be uuuup is dowaaann!
And that absolutely should not be allowed. I wish we had a candidate up there who was strong enough to say that.
Texas did pass the Voter ID bill, though, over the protests of whining minorities. We have to show a picture ID at the polls now and I'm quite OK with that.
For Those Of You Who Believe What You Hear Without Checking Your Facts: Governor Rick Perry Doesn’t Spport Illegal Aliens-—> “To Qualify For The Texas In-State Tuition Rate They Have To Turn Themselves Into Immigration Officials And Be In The Process Of Acquiring Citizenship. It Is Exactly Like US Military Service= If You Aren’t A US Citizen You Can Still Serve As Long As You Are In The Process Of Acquiring Citizenship.”
And it took Texas SIX years to get that through and to Gov. Perry's desk to sign. Very few states have PHOTO voter ID required by law that Texas now has. Obama's Attorney General Erick Holder is "looking it over" and will no doubt be challenging it.
Perry is going to be in for a big surprise in the FL and SC primaries. His remarks on immigration will hurt him badly. In fact SC has a law specifically prohibiting illegal immigrants from receiving in-state tuition as does GA, AZ, and CO. We are working on one here in VA.
In state tuition is even a big issue in one of the bluest of blue states, MD, which passed in-state tuition for illegals this Summer. The outcry was so great that a petition movement to put the issue on the ballot succeeded. They got twice the number of signatures required and did so in record time. People were begging to sign it. The law has been suspended pending the outcome of the referendum. The ACLU and La Raza are trying to undo the petition through a court challenge. They know that, like gay marriage, putting the issue to the people will kill it. Perry has made a major blunder.
I was leaning toward Perry until last night. He really lost me with his immigration remarks. I am not going to be able to get past it and I think it put off a lot of folks. I don’t want to face that amnesty fight again that Bush put us through.
***If the schools knowingly harbor an illegal, they need to be treated like a company who hires an illegal! FINE THEM, send the kids and their illegal parents back to their own country for an education.***
But Perry won’t even crack down on and fine the *businesses* that employ illegals. He won’t crack down on Sanctuary Cities. He won’t do crap.
He whines. He whines that Obama isn’t doing enough when there is PLENTY that Texas herself could do to address this problem. Instead, he implements a program that’s going to only ENCOURAGE illegals to stay and cost money.
When Jan Brewer came out swinging, the contrast was laid bare. Here was a state legislature and governor who were serious about addressing the problem.
And Perry just looked vaguely uncomfortable with Arizona’s actions and said that he didn’t think that this would be a good idea for Texas.
I agree with Perry that this is the responsibility of the Federal Government; however, when the FG doesn’t step up, it is the responsibility of the individual states to defend themselves.
I can understand him agreeing with the policy, and appreciate that he is not trying to doubletalk his support of it, but he didn't set it.
FWIW, I agree with your position on the policy.
For Those Of You Who Believe What You Hear Without Checking Your Facts: Governor Rick Perry Doesnt Spport Illegal Aliens-> To Qualify For The Texas In-State Tuition Rate They Have To Turn Themselves Into Immigration Officials And Be In The Process Of Acquiring Citizenship. It Is Exactly Like US Military Service= If You Arent A US Citizen You Can Still Serve As Long As You Are In The Process Of Acquiring Citizenship.
It sounds like Perry has illegals under pretty good control. As long as the Feds are worthless, and any state that tries to seriously stop illegals is punished, I think the other states should follow Perrys lead. He's doing more than anyone else I've heard about.
Good job Perry! Too bad all this couldn't come out in the debates.
Wow!! you still with this guy after last night?
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