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Is Perry Finished?
Dennis Miller Show ^ | 9-23-2011 | Dennis Miller

Posted on 09/23/2011 5:13:57 PM PDT by SideoutFred

Dennis thinks he might be toast based on his immigration answer last night.

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TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: dennis; immigration; miller; mitt; palin; perry; perry2012; stealthromneyfans; yankees
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1 posted on 09/23/2011 5:14:02 PM PDT by SideoutFred
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To: SideoutFred

you betcha


2 posted on 09/23/2011 5:15:00 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: SideoutFred

Perry turned off a lot of conservatives last night. It will be difficult to win them back. That was one of the worst performances I have ever seen in a GOP debate.


3 posted on 09/23/2011 5:15:52 PM PDT by TennTuxedo
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To: SideoutFred

dunno.


4 posted on 09/23/2011 5:16:01 PM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: SideoutFred

From what I have read and heard, today, yes, the Perry BUBBLE is over................except for his diehard fanatics.


5 posted on 09/23/2011 5:16:19 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: SideoutFred

He’s not toast yet.

But he will be toast when people find out Perry is for amnesty for the illegals (he would give the illegals working here “guest worker” status allowing them to live here legally).

What he needs to do is a sincere, credible flip-flop on his illegal immigration positions.

He would be more viable as a flip-flopper than as a pro-illegals candidate.


6 posted on 09/23/2011 5:17:33 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: SideoutFred

Chris Christie could change everything.


7 posted on 09/23/2011 5:17:40 PM PDT by cruise_missile
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To: SideoutFred

I was supporting Perry (with Palin sidelined) for the past 4 weeks. After last night, no longer.

You don’t call me “heartless” and expect my vote.


8 posted on 09/23/2011 5:17:51 PM PDT by nhwingut (Palin '12... Accept No Other)
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To: Doogle

Maybe not yet....but the fat lady is warming her vocals.


9 posted on 09/23/2011 5:18:37 PM PDT by DrewsMum ("I abandoned free market principles to save the free market." -GWBush)
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To: cruise_missile

What would Christie do differently?


10 posted on 09/23/2011 5:19:14 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: TennTuxedo
As someone (RoseofSharon?) posted last night:

We should never nominate anyone who acts like he is embarrassed by his base.(Close as I can recall)

11 posted on 09/23/2011 5:19:55 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: SideoutFred

We can certainly hope so after last night. Time for a CONSERVATIVE that can win to enter the race- and by that I mean Sarah, NOT Christie.


12 posted on 09/23/2011 5:20:08 PM PDT by conservaterian (Sarah/DeMint '12)
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To: SideoutFred

Yeppers. He lost the Tea Party concerning the illegal immigration issue. That’s a major biggie as far as his support base and it really is that simple.


13 posted on 09/23/2011 5:20:46 PM PDT by fightin kentuckian
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To: TennTuxedo

This is why we need debates.
Better crashing now than in general election time.


14 posted on 09/23/2011 5:20:50 PM PDT by heiss
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To: SideoutFred

Perry is AGAINST illegal immigration.

It is a shame he had such a lousy performance last night, but people keep mixing apple and oranges on this in state tuition thing.

Perrys position is that we are better off educating these kids than ignoring them.
He has repeatedly pointed out that it is the federal Government that is the obstacle to deportation.


15 posted on 09/23/2011 5:20:51 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: muawiyah

He would take votes away from Romney.


16 posted on 09/23/2011 5:21:23 PM PDT by cruise_missile
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To: mylife

Perry’s argument is irrational.


17 posted on 09/23/2011 5:24:00 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: cruise_missile
"Chris Christie could change everything."

I used to think the same thing until he has had no control over his diet. I will be kind and shut up.

18 posted on 09/23/2011 5:24:39 PM PDT by AGreatPer (Obama has NEVER given a speech where he did not lie!!!)
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To: heiss

These aren’t debates, basically everyone agrees on the issues....all these are are an endless stream of personal attacks....all it does is tear everybody else.

Stupid for the GOP to agree to this sham.


19 posted on 09/23/2011 5:24:39 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SideoutFred

I can hope..... no more Ringos


20 posted on 09/23/2011 5:24:39 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: cruise_missile

Not the moose limbs vote.


21 posted on 09/23/2011 5:25:05 PM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: mylife

but they are enjoying their righteous indignation so much, you will ruin their fun. And besides, all of them are chomping at the bit to take those desirable mowing and vegetable picking and chamber maid jobs.......


22 posted on 09/23/2011 5:25:05 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: SideoutFred

Yep, I went from leaning Perry to desperating wanting Jim DeMint to run. Won’t vote for Oil Windfall Profit Tax Palin though.


23 posted on 09/23/2011 5:26:45 PM PDT by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: Doogle

Yep. Perry almost had me swayed until that statement being for illegal aliens getting in state tuition.

That is a Lib’s wet dream. Don’t need anymore of that.


24 posted on 09/23/2011 5:27:37 PM PDT by SolidRedState (I used to think bizarro world was a fiction.)
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To: muawiyah

I don’t think so.
He is dealing with a situation that is not entirely in his control and he is trying to make the best of it for the taxpayer at large.

I understand that it is viewed as a luring illegals.
The truth is very few people meet the admissions requirements.


25 posted on 09/23/2011 5:28:50 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: TennTuxedo

“Perry turned off a lot of conservatives last night.”

Count me as one.

Not knowing Perry from Adam, I gave him 3 debates now to introduce himself to me and show me what he’s got. Conclusion – he has Nothing. He totally comes across as a buffoon, and the least prepared candidate on the stage. Even though he knew what questions were going to be targeted at him, his answers were horrible.

How he handled the in-state tuition question was shameless. It sounded like advice taken from the book, Rules for Radicals. “When under attack accuse the attacker of something more outlandish and indefensible (even if not true), taking the spotlight off you.” Accusing opponents of his policy as being heartless for not wanting children to have an education is just the sort of outlandish accusation that would make Saul Alinsky and Obama proud.

Then there was the 3 am question. How pathetic
Governor Perry, if you were president, and you go a call at 3 am telling you that Pakistan had lost control of is nuclear weapons, at the hands of the Taliban, what would be your first move?
PERRY: Well obviously, before you ever get to that point you have to build a relationship in that region. That’s one of the things that this administration has not done. Yesterday, we found out through Admiral Mullen that Haqqani has been involved with — and that’s the terrorist group directly associated with the Pakistani country. So to have a relationship with India, to make sure that India knows that they are an ally of the United States.”
And I don’t even want to think about the embarrassing ‘Romney is a flip-flopper’ answer that Perry gave because it was nearly unintelligible. Went something like this, “First he was against it before he was for something that he was against before, but now he is for it” I actually started feeling sorry for him on that one.


26 posted on 09/23/2011 5:31:12 PM PDT by NavyCanDo (GO MAMA GRIZZLY!)
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To: cruise_missile
Christie would be a big hit with the NE RINO contingent but that's about it. He is no conservative, not even close.
27 posted on 09/23/2011 5:31:38 PM PDT by JPG (Palin '12)
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To: mylife

The “heartless” insult did him in. As it should.


28 posted on 09/23/2011 5:32:12 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: JPG

BUT, he will take Votes AWAY from other RINOs (ROMNEY).


29 posted on 09/23/2011 5:33:21 PM PDT by cruise_missile
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To: mylife
Perrys position is that we are better off educating these kids than ignoring them.

Ignoring them? They're being ignored by their own countries.

It's a rewards program for law breakers. I'd rather offer incentives to US citizens...from other states...before offering it to the law breakers.

30 posted on 09/23/2011 5:33:32 PM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: SideoutFred

He comes across like a bumbling idiot. He’s toast.


31 posted on 09/23/2011 5:34:02 PM PDT by WackySam (Obama got Osama just like Nixon landed on the moon.)
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To: SideoutFred
After his answer to the in state tuition question, he should be given credit for honesty, he has to be toast.

To nominate the elect him when knowing exactly where he stands on the issue of benefits for illegals would be to ask for his policies on a national level.

32 posted on 09/23/2011 5:34:29 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: buccaneer81

I admit, that was as foolish as Bachmanns “as a Mom of a gaggle of children” and “innocent little girls” BS


33 posted on 09/23/2011 5:34:34 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: SideoutFred

First of all, the issue is ILLEGAL immigration, NOT immigration. Don’t fall for the liberal tactic!

Secondly, Perry lost me last night. I was really pulling for him but his view on illegal immigration is unacceptable. I am not usually a one issue person but it appears he is SO bad on the issue that as far as that goes we may as well keep obama.

I am really disappointed. Nobody is perfect but this is really bad. It would be extremely difficult for me to turn around on this. Perry would have to have a complete shifty on this and it would have to be real. And what is worse is the condescending way he answered the question about in state tuition - saying you don’t have any heart if you don’t agree with him - with friends like that who needs enemies. I can go to dem underground to get THAT crap!


34 posted on 09/23/2011 5:34:44 PM PDT by Castigar
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To: SideoutFred

One thing we have to remember, at this very moment in 2008, the two leading candidates were Fred Thompson and Huckabee. We were not even thinking McCain as a serious contender at the time. Lots yet still to happen, and front runner can come and go.


35 posted on 09/23/2011 5:35:03 PM PDT by NavyCanDo (GO MAMA GRIZZLY!)
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To: skeeter

Gads thats barely intelligible.


36 posted on 09/23/2011 5:36:09 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: SideoutFred
The field of candidates that will enter the race is not yet filled out. The fact that Christie is being courted is testament to that, and if I read the papers right Daniels is still being courted to join in, no matter what his family says.

And if Palin gets in the mix, expect the fireworks to really start going off...................

37 posted on 09/23/2011 5:37:09 PM PDT by ducttape45
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To: SideoutFred

I’d made a few attempts to convey Perry’s rotten history here in Texas on the border/illegals front, having followed him all these years. It’s always been my MAJOR sticking point with him, invariably offsetting some of the ‘good’ things he has done, like tort reform and voter-id.

But even I’ve been amazed to actually see him reveal himself so vividly with comments like “the sound of their last names” and “you have no heart.” That’s some REALLY, REALLY infuriating stuff. Basically referring to anyone who disagrees with him as heartless bigots. He’s often been on a knife’s edge with me over the years, but this pretty much did it.


38 posted on 09/23/2011 5:37:15 PM PDT by greene66
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To: skeeter

That’s not necessarily true. Hate his Texas stance on illegals all you want, but he has consistently been a states right guy on all issues for a long time. He has also been against Washington dictating anything for a long time.


39 posted on 09/23/2011 5:37:15 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Jane Long

And OUR country wont let us deport them.

And BTW, these kids did not break the law, Their PARENTS did.

I don’t like it you don’t like it Rick Perry does not like it.


40 posted on 09/23/2011 5:37:18 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: skeeter

;)


41 posted on 09/23/2011 5:37:45 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: SideoutFred

Yes .


42 posted on 09/23/2011 5:37:50 PM PDT by sushiman
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To: mylife
IMO Perry made a big mistake on the immigration issue and compounded it by casting inuendos against those who disagreed with him. In the earlier debate, he said some people were against in-state tuition because they didn't like people with different sounding last names. Last night, if you didn't support in-state tuition for illegal aliens, you had no heart.

Perry took a page out of the Bush/Rove/McCain/Graham playbook, which used epithets as bigots, racists, and nativists against those who opposed amnesty. These criticisms just reinforce the Democrat branding of the GOP and alienate minorities who perceive that they are not welcome in the party. Moreover, being branded as a “racist” political party hurts the GOP in recruiting new members, regardless of race or ethnicity. America is not a racist country and no one wants to be associated with a racist organization.

I have no doubt that should Perry win the Rep nomination, Obama will try to brand him as Dubya reincarnate.

43 posted on 09/23/2011 5:39:01 PM PDT by kabar
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To: SideoutFred

From his garbled speech, I wondered if he was having a small stroke.


44 posted on 09/23/2011 5:39:16 PM PDT by Poincare (Reality is not a fool.)
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To: nopardons

Go Christie Go Palin.... This puke is up... Romney sucks...


45 posted on 09/23/2011 5:40:58 PM PDT by sentient
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To: catfish1957

Jim Demint. Now *there’s* a game-changer.

What a conservative. He’s THE MAN.


46 posted on 09/23/2011 5:41:27 PM PDT by bolobaby
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To: kabar

I agree that he overplayed his hand with the “you have no heart” BS


47 posted on 09/23/2011 5:41:46 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: AGreatPer

I would have liked Chris Christie to get in two months ago.

But after last night I came to the conclusion that if we are going to win this thing and I have to vote for a RINO, I might as well get in with Mitt. He’s got the money and is battle tested.

I look at it this way, Romney made a major mistake on Romneycare and now disavows it. Perry meanwhile doubled down on a massive mistake on immigration.

I can’t trust either guy, but one at least claims he’s seen the light on his major problem issue.

Add in the fact that Obama would likely run rings around Perry at a debate, and I’m off the Perry bandwagon. Good to see a lot of other Freepers saw the mess I saw last night.

Props to some Texas Freepers who warned us about this back in July. I didn’t want to believe them back then.


48 posted on 09/23/2011 5:42:06 PM PDT by SteveAustin
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To: Meet the New Boss
he would give the illegals working here “guest worker” status allowing them to live here legally

WHAT????? Don't you know that is exactly what we want! Guest workers have no path to citizenship, they go home when there is no work, they only come in when employers can't get Americans for the jobs. Guest worker means the employer is sponsor. That's what we've been trying to get for years and amnesty crowd refused to accept it. Where on earth have you been?

49 posted on 09/23/2011 5:42:55 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: Poincare

Yes, it was a terrible performance, and I am sick of doing his talking for him.

If he doesn’t step it up, he IS toast.


50 posted on 09/23/2011 5:43:33 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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