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Life After An EMP Attack: No Power, No Food, No Transportation, No Banking And No Internet
Right Side News ^ | 9/25/2011 | Staff

Posted on 09/25/2011 1:30:34 PM PDT by IbJensen

Most Americans do not know this, but a single EMP attack could potentially wipe out most of the electronics in the United States and instantly send this nation back to the 1800s.

If a nuclear bomb was exploded high enough in the atmosphere over the middle part of the country, the electromagnetic pulse would fry electronic devices from coast to coast. The damage would be millions of times worse than 9/11. Just imagine a world where nobody has power, most cars will not start, the Internet has been fried, the financial system is offline indefinitely, nobody can make any phone calls and virtually all commerce across the entire country is brought to a complete stop. » If you like this article, please subscribe to our daily newsletter

Life-After-An-EMP-Attack-No-Power-No-Food-No-Transportation-No-Banking-And-No-Internet-250x150A nation that does not know how to live without technology would be almost entirely stripped of it at that point. Yes, this could really happen. An EMP attack is America's "Achilles heel", and everyone around the world knows it. It is only a matter of time before someone uses an EMP weapon against us, and at this point we are pretty much completely unprepared.

The sad thing is that we are spending hundreds of billions of dollars hunting down "terrorists" in caves on the other side of the globe and we have been told that because of "national security" it is necessary for our private areas to be touched before we are allowed to get on an airplane, but our government is doing essentially nothing to address what is perhaps our biggest security vulnerability.

What would you and your neighbors do if the power went out and it did not ever come back on? What would you do if an EMP attack happened in the middle of the winter and you suddenly were not able to heat your home any longer? What would you do if all the electronics in your car got fried and you simply could not drive anywhere? What would you do if all the supermarkets in your area shut down because food could not be transported across the country anymore? What would you do if you were suddenly unable to call your family and friends for help? What would you do if you were suddenly unable to get the medicine that you needed? What would you do if your debit cards and credit cards simply did not work any longer and you could not get any of your money out of the bank? What would you do if all of these things happened all at once?

A single EMP attack would be the worst disaster that the United States has ever seen by far. An electromagnetic pulse could potentially fry the vast majority of all the microchips in the United States. In an instant, nearly all of our electronic devices would be rendered useless.

Yes, the federal government knows all about this. The following excerpt is from an April 2008 report by the Commission to Assess the Threat to the United States from Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) Attack....

“The consequences of lack of food, heat (or air conditioning), water, waste disposal, medical, police, fire fighting support, and effective civil authority would threaten society itself.”

Most of us have become completely and totally dependent on electricity and technology. Without it, most of us would be in huge trouble.

The following is how an article in the Wall Street Journal described the potential consequences of an EMP attack....

No American would necessarily die in the initial attack, but what comes next is potentially catastrophic. The pulse would wipe out most electronics and telecommunications, including the power grid. Millions could die for want of modern medical care or even of starvation since farmers wouldn't be able to harvest crops and distributors wouldn't be able to get food to supermarkets. Commissioner Lowell Wood calls EMP attack a "giant continental time machine" that would move us back more than a century in technology to the late 1800s.

It wouldn't be so bad if we had the knowledge and the infrastructure to live the way that they did back in the 1800s, but today that is simply not the case.

Dr. William Graham was Ronald Reagan’s science adviser and the chairman of the Commission to Assess the Threat to the United States from Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) Attack. Dr. Graham believes that in the event of a large scale EMP attack, the vast majority of Americans would either freeze, starve or die from disease.

Food Storage SystemAccording to Graham, in the aftermath of an EMP attack life in America "would probably be something that you might imagine life to be like around the late 1800s but with several times the population we had in those days, and without the ability of the country to support and sustain all those people."

Would you be able to survive?

All of those big bank accounts may never be able to be recovered after an EMP attack. Your money might be instantly fried out of existence.

The following is what Graham believes would happen to the financial system in the event of an EMP attack....

“Most financial records are stored electronically. ATMs, which depend upon both power and telecommunications, would not be available; banks, which try to back up records but in general aren’t strongly aware of the EMP problem, would face the problem of unprotected storage and computer systems”

This is the danger of having a financial system that is so dependent on technology. We may wake up one day and find that all the money is gone.

But if an EMP attack actually happened, the biggest concern for most of us would be trying to figure out how to survive.

The president of the Center for Security Policy, Frank Gaffney, is convinced that a single EMP attack could result in the deaths of the vast majority of the population of the United States....

"Within a year of that attack, nine out of 10 Americans would be dead, because we can't support a population of the present size in urban centers and the like without electricity"

Are you starting to get a feel for the scope of the problem?

The sad thing is that so much could be done to protect this country from an EMP attack.

Right now, most vital U.S. military infrastructure has at least some protection from an EMP attack.

But the general population has been left completely and totally vulnerable.

It has been estimated that the entire power grid could potentially be protected for about 20 billion dollars. Considering the fact that we have spent over 400 billion dollars in Afghanistan, I think that we could afford it.

We have spent our national security dollars very, very badly and someday it is going to come back to bite us in the rear end.

Right now, other nations around the world are working feverishly to develop EMP weapons. The following is from a statement by Dr. Peter Vincent Pry to the United States Senate Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology and Homeland Security on March 8th, 2005....

Russian and Chinese military scientists in open source writings describe the basic principles of nuclear weapons designed specifically to generate an enhanced-EMP effect, that they term "Super-EMP" weapons. "Super-EMP" weapons, according to these foreign open source writings, can destroy even the best protected U.S. military and civilian electronic systems.

But it is not just Russia and China that have been developing "Super-EMP" weapons. According to Newsmax, it is believed that North Korea may have tested a "Super-EMP" weapon back in 2009....

North Korea’s last round of tests, conducted in May 2009, appear to have included a “super-EMP” weapon, capable of emitting enough gamma rays to disable the electric power grid across most of the lower 48 states

Remember, all it would take is one strategically placed EMP attack to wipe out this nation.

But an EMP weapon is not the only danger that can produce this type of effect. The truth is that a really bad geomagnetic storm could also potentially produce almost as much damage.

This is something that everyone knows is one of our biggest vulnerabilities and it is something that we can make preparations for.

Yet the Bush administration and the Obama administration have just stood there and have done nothing.

Our idiocy is astounding.

General Eugene Habiger, the former head of U. S. Strategic Command, has said the following about the possibility of an EMP attack in the future....

“It is not a matter of if, it is a matter of when.”

Remember, this is something that could cause millions times more damage than 9/11 did.

Instead of molesting old ladies at airports and chasing goat herders around the mountains of Afghanistan, perhaps we should be addressing our largest security vulnerabilities.

But that would require using some common sense. Sadly, common sense seems to be in very short supply in Washington D.C. these days.

So if the government is not going to do anything about it, that means that it is up to you to prepare yourself and your family. This world is becoming very unstable and disasters can strike at any time.

We all saw what happened after Hurricane Katrina. The government response was a nightmare. An EMP attack would be millions of times worse and the federal government probably would not even be able to get you and your family any assistance.

You would truly be on your own.

So are you ready?

This is yet another reason why the number of preppers in the United States is exploding. A lot of people can see how the world is changing and they understand that the federal government is not going to come through for them when the chips are down.

An EMP attack could end life as we know it at any time.

It is a glaring security vulnerability and the entire world knows that it is there.

I hope that you are getting ready, because the government certainly is not.

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Americans, who are largely dismissive of the stupid, socialist administration that ruins our lives and economy, fail to realize how unresponsive in the event of a real emergency this Obama regime would be!

These morons are not only brain-dead children running an adult nation, but they have been on their own tangent to ruin America so that like-minded fools could rebuild it. They have no concept of what outside haters could do that would undermine even their evil shenanigans.

1 posted on 09/25/2011 1:30:38 PM PDT by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen

Seems highly unlikely. EMP would not destroy the entire infrastructure, just the local area.


2 posted on 09/25/2011 1:33:33 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: IbJensen
fail to realize how unresponsive in the event of a real emergency this Obama regime would be!

Are you real sure you want Obama administration "help"?

In fact, smaller government should mean less help.
3 posted on 09/25/2011 1:34:28 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: IbJensen

At least my old Jeep doesn’t have a computer. Of course it may be hard to get fuel.


4 posted on 09/25/2011 1:34:52 PM PDT by umgud
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To: IbJensen

The veneer of civilization is extremely thin. An EMP would do all that you have described, but that would only be the beginning of the damage. The police and National Guard could not hope to contain the rioting and lawlessness that would result when the food and fuel run out. It would make zombie apocalypse movies look tame in comparison. Starvation, disease, exposure to the elements, and extreme violence would wipe out nearly everyone.


5 posted on 09/25/2011 1:36:51 PM PDT by Astronaut
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To: IbJensen

It be a life consisiting of enjoying camping, hunting, fishing, and avoiding urban areas like the plague.


6 posted on 09/25/2011 1:37:24 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37

A short life, living like a Neanderthal man without medicine or proper shelter. A broken limb or serious infection would do you in.


7 posted on 09/25/2011 1:39:25 PM PDT by Astronaut
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To: IbJensen

someone must have recently read the book, “One Second After”.....since I read it about 2 years ago....I’ve been planning....hoping that will help....


8 posted on 09/25/2011 1:40:08 PM PDT by goodnesswins (My Kid/Grandkids are NOT your ATM, liberals! (Sarah Palin))
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To: umgud
Of course it may be hard to get fuel.

All you need is a siphon hose and a gas can, fill up at any "fried" vehicle.

9 posted on 09/25/2011 1:40:18 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: umgud

We have an old car, too.

We have bicycles.

We heat the main area of the house during the winter with propane.

I store charcoal to cook with in an emergency.

We have an old landline telephone, so if the low voltage stuff can get back up with the phone company, we can communicate.

We have a hand-cranked short-wave radio.

We have food and water stored.

We have shooting irons.

Guess we’ll survive.


10 posted on 09/25/2011 1:41:51 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: Astronaut

So would being a diabetic, on dialysis, etc...or in a nursing home...


11 posted on 09/25/2011 1:41:57 PM PDT by goodnesswins (My Kid/Grandkids are NOT your ATM, liberals! (Sarah Palin))
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To: chris37

Yo! It be.


12 posted on 09/25/2011 1:42:01 PM PDT by IbJensen (No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session.)
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To: IbJensen

Fat chance. This “EMP is going to ruin the world!” thing has gotten out of hand.

Even if everything, from having the correct nuclear bomb in the first place, to having a missile that can get it into high altitude over the US, to the actual EMP getting into long wire devices, etc., were to be in place the damage would be very minimal and corrected within hours and days.

EMP DOES NOT destroy all things electrical and electronic, counter to what all the ignorant survivalist types claim otherwise.


13 posted on 09/25/2011 1:42:01 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: IbJensen

I heard Frank Gaffney discussing this on Talk Radio earlier this week. What I want to know is, why is it suddenly front and center? Seems like it would have to be a highly scientific development that most of the 3rd world is not capable of achieving.

Seems like scare tactics to me. Anyone?


14 posted on 09/25/2011 1:42:55 PM PDT by bboop (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers?)
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To: rwfromkansas

Too bad we can’t run a simulation to test the theory.


15 posted on 09/25/2011 1:43:00 PM PDT by IbJensen (No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session.)
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To: IbJensen
So in other words, Obama’s administration and the dems in congress causing a total financial collapse isn't the worst thing that could happen...
16 posted on 09/25/2011 1:43:36 PM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: IbJensen

17 posted on 09/25/2011 1:44:28 PM PDT by granite (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left - Ecclest 10:2)
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To: goodnesswins

Yeah, I read that too. Very scary stuff. I have no doubt that more than 50% of our population would not survive.


18 posted on 09/25/2011 1:45:28 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: rwfromkansas
...EMP would not destroy the entire infrastructure, just the local area...

An EMP would destroy EVERY local area.

Water purification plants would shut down - no water. Most cars would quit running - almost all trucks. Trains would stop and planes would fall out of the sky... The power grid would fail. If your house caught on fire, 911 wouldn't work - the firetruck wouldn't start, water would not flow to the hydrant... But IT would be local.

Every city and town would have the same situation - so there wouldn't be 'help' coming from out of the area... I think half the population would die in the first 20 days... lack of water would take out the first bunch...

19 posted on 09/25/2011 1:45:33 PM PDT by GOPJ (126 people were indicted for being terrorists in the last two years. Every one of them was Muslim.)
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To: rwfromkansas
I'd like to see a source that shows the relevant field strength calculations to support the EMP theory. I've never been able to see how the supposed effects could happen, just lots of sky could be falling predictions.

For instance, what field strength at the surface do the EMP models predict? Pushing enough magnetic or electrostatic field through a metal surface, like the hood of a car, in order to generate an internal current in a semiconductor installed deep in the car sufficient to damage it is very hard.

And its pretty hard for me to imagine generating by capacitive or inductive coupling into a power line from 500 miles away as much energy as a single bolt of lightning puts into a power line.

20 posted on 09/25/2011 1:45:43 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: goodnesswins

If you rely on certain meds—forget about it. I’d rather go fast then slow.

When you’re a certain age starting a family, you want to live close to a school. When your 70+ you want to live close to a hospital.


21 posted on 09/25/2011 1:45:55 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Rabid democRATS and 0bama the dictator own it all now.)
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To: chris37

Government “help” should be very limited at least to the individual.

My great grandmother told me about a late spring blizzard and ice storm that hit about a century ago. Roofs and barns were collapsed all over the place. All the roads were closed with 6 feet of snow and trees down due to the ice. She said her father built a temporary lean to for the surviving animals. Mules and pulling ponies from the community were stabled together while they cleared the roads. She said every house had more than one family living in them for months.

She said there was some “state militia” help for big jobs but nothing in the small farming communities. They survived and rebuilt.


22 posted on 09/25/2011 1:46:49 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: Astronaut

There’s some Amish about 10 miles up the road that do ok.


23 posted on 09/25/2011 1:47:07 PM PDT by griswold3 (Character is Destiny)
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To: Astronaut

You hit our societal crisis on the head!

The riots and serious looting by the gimmes would devastate America as the ‘authorities’ would stand dumbly by watching and video taping the carnage.

America’s large problem is that we have a huge underclass of population who have never heard of the Ten Commandments and are, therefore, incapable of proper behavior. They are simply welfare whores and crooks!


24 posted on 09/25/2011 1:47:25 PM PDT by IbJensen (No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session.)
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To: IbJensen

I’m sure our government worthies will take care of us. After all, we pay their fat salaries... /s/


25 posted on 09/25/2011 1:47:25 PM PDT by Gritty (Compromise that is not a solution is a waste of time. We either save this country or we do not-Rubio)
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To: IbJensen

I’ve worked in the utility industry for 25 years. I started as a power plant electrician and moved into instrument & controls and now I work with SCADA systems. Over that quarter century, we have automated everything we can to reduce labor costs. We have switched from analog controls to digital controls to reduce labor costs. We have moved from heavy-duty electronics to micro-electronics to cut costs and again to reduce labor costs.

We can run a utility with 10% of the people we needed 25 years ago. The risk is that an EMP or cyber attack can knock us back to the 1800s because we don’t even have the people trained to get us back online without the easily programmed and replaced digital control systems.

When we faced the mega-hoax of Y2K, we were barely ready. We used every person we had to be standing by when the clocks rolled over, and if the worst-case scenario had happened (which no one believed it would, but the FedGov made us “prepare” anyway), we could have operated the utility without computers.

But that was 11 years ago. We have half the people working in the power plants, electric grids, and water/wastewater systems now as we did then and the reliance on cheap, digital controls is about 10x what it was in 1999.

The key to the EMP scare is that it requires detonating a large thermonucler warhead high over the USA and our Ohio-class SSBNs are hardened against EMP. Using that weapon is an act of nuclear war and we have procedures in place for that and those procedures involve the Ohio-class SSBNs. A towelhead with a suitcase nuke is not going to be able to make this attack a reality. Only a few nations could pull this off and they’ve had nukes for many years, but we’ve stared each other down for a long time without any mushroom clouds.


26 posted on 09/25/2011 1:48:38 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (The solution to fix Congress: Nuke em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure!)
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To: chris37
It be a life consisiting of enjoying camping, hunting, fishing, and avoiding urban areas like the plague.

As long as they don't canx the Nascar races, I'm good.

:)

27 posted on 09/25/2011 1:48:42 PM PDT by LasVegasMac (Have ya hit 'em in the a$$, Never let off the gas 'til ya rolled into Victory Lane?)
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To: granite

Thanks. Interesting read.


28 posted on 09/25/2011 1:49:23 PM PDT by IbJensen (No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session.)
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To: SatinDoll
Guess we’ll survive

Practice with your shooting irons, maybe buy a few night vision devices, and ally yourself with enough other adults that you completely trust so that you can guard and defend yourselves 24/7. Zombies will be headed your way.

29 posted on 09/25/2011 1:49:30 PM PDT by behzinlea
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To: IbJensen

Ping


30 posted on 09/25/2011 1:49:32 PM PDT by carjic (I've always been taught to respect my elders.... but it's getting harder to find any!)
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To: bboop

This is merely giving our multitudinous enemies some clever ideas.


31 posted on 09/25/2011 1:51:00 PM PDT by IbJensen (No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session.)
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To: IbJensen
It has been estimated that the entire power grid could potentially be protected for about 20 billion dollars. Considering the fact that we have spent over 400 billion dollars in Afghanistan, I think that we could afford it. We have spent our national security dollars very, very badly and someday it is going to come back to bite us...

North Korea and Iran are chomping at the bit with this one... the time to fix the grid is now...

32 posted on 09/25/2011 1:51:24 PM PDT by GOPJ (126 people were indicted for being terrorists in the last two years. Every one of them was Muslim.)
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To: bboop
a highly scientific development that most of the 3rd world is not capable of achieving.

Iran has placed satellites in orbit.

33 posted on 09/25/2011 1:51:33 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: umgud

Neither does this old 6x6 that a relative of mine has sitting around. I drove it a little recently:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIbRlsBH0Qk


34 posted on 09/25/2011 1:51:33 PM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: behzinlea
ally yourself with enough other adults that you completely trust

That's why I always say that little towns are the place to be in the event of a total collapse. (as long as they aren't right next to a major highway)
35 posted on 09/25/2011 1:51:41 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: IbJensen

More than half of the US population would be wiped-out after more than 12 hours without news about the Kardasians.

Well, come to think of it, that might actually be a good thing.


36 posted on 09/25/2011 1:51:57 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: rwfromkansas

“Seems highly unlikely. EMP would not destroy the entire infrastructure, just the local area”

Yeah, I think the threat from EMP is sometimes overblown.

Long haul internet lines are generally fiber optic, and immune to EMP.

On the other hand, not many vehicles will start today without their ECU. Even diesels.

Does anyone here (other than doomsday scare type people) have any real data on the threat radius from the best EMP burst thus far?


37 posted on 09/25/2011 1:52:43 PM PDT by Pessimist
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To: rwfromkansas
Seems highly unlikely. EMP would not destroy the entire infrastructure, just the local area.
With a decent-sized nuclear warhead, it would effect everything in line-of-sight of the explosion. The Starfish Prime test over the Pacific, did considerable damage in Hawaii, 800 miles away from the spot under the explosion (and that was before microelectronics came in to common use).

A 100KT bomb about 200 miles above Kansas would cover the entire continental United States.

Here is a good summary of the EMP effects from nuclear bombs.

38 posted on 09/25/2011 1:52:59 PM PDT by Johnny B.
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To: IbJensen
Too bad we can’t run a simulation to test the theory.

We discovered the phenomenon during our weapons testing in the Pacific 60 years ago.

40 posted on 09/25/2011 1:53:21 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: IbJensen

41 posted on 09/25/2011 1:53:51 PM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: GOPJ

It is NOT time to fix the grid.

First we have to fix the bridge that connects Cincinnati with Covington, Kentudky that isn’t even broken.

Perhaps we could accomplish necessary things like defending the American nation if only we could overthrow this evil regime that’s ruined our lives and our economy.


42 posted on 09/25/2011 1:54:16 PM PDT by IbJensen (No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session.)
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To: Dixie Yooper

” So in other words, Obama’s administration and the dems in congress causing a total financial collapse isn’t the worst thing that could happen... “

Yep - it just shows another of the myriad of paths that lead to the same outcome — some faster than others...

(And yes, there are possible paths that lead to rosier outcomes, but that part of the map seems to have been washed out...)


43 posted on 09/25/2011 1:54:16 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: umgud
At least my old Jeep doesn’t have a computer. Of course it may be hard to get fuel.
Actually, there will be hundreds of millions of "dead" cars full of gas. Don't forget your syphon hose!
44 posted on 09/25/2011 1:55:11 PM PDT by Johnny B.
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To: IbJensen
This is merely giving our multitudinous enemies some clever ideas.

Hardly. This information has been in the public domain since at least the 1970s.

45 posted on 09/25/2011 1:55:53 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: CodeToad

“EMP DOES NOT destroy all things electrical and electronic, counter to what all the ignorant survivalist types claim otherwise”

LOL. I hear ya. I’ve seen people claim “anything with an electric motor”, etc.

The only devices threatened are microprocessor circuits. Granted, a lot of things have them today, but they are not uniformly vulnerable (ie mounting, enclosures, type, etc), and then only within some radius of the burst.


46 posted on 09/25/2011 1:56:00 PM PDT by Pessimist
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To: IbJensen

As I posted on another EMP thread, “The “EMP Threat” seems to come up every three or four months. Must be important for us to know, to get such regular reminders.”

You’d need absolutely reliable thermonuke bombs ( a 50 kT bomb is not big enough) plus a reliable missile system that can land a nuke at the right place at the right time, and the entire setup from construction of the launch pad up to the detonation would need to be stealthy and secret.

If our radars/sats detected an incoming from a threat country, what do you suppose the response would be? I mean after we launch THAAD, SM Block II, and EKV?


47 posted on 09/25/2011 1:56:59 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: IbJensen

48 posted on 09/25/2011 1:57:11 PM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: bboop
Iran is developing nuclear bombs and IRBM's to carry them. They are also building a missle base in northern Venezuela. What possible target do you think they could have in mind? Mexico? Cuba?

They don't have enough firepower to take the US on militarily. They will have enough to detonate a nuclear device high over the CONUS. I guess when it happens we will find out whose theories about EMP are correct.

49 posted on 09/25/2011 1:57:50 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (We .. have a purpose .. no longer to please every dictator with a vote at the UN. PM Harper)
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To: Bryanw92
Only a few nations could pull this off and they’ve had nukes for many years, but we’ve stared each other down for a long time without any mushroom clouds.

I think that's the concern over the Iranian nuclear reactor and missile programs. Mahmoud Ahmanutjob and friends do not think logically or rationally, and might be willing to loose an EMP nuke over the skies of the "Great Satan" in the belief that the Mahdi would then emerge from his cave to protect them and usher in an Islamic paradise over all the world.

50 posted on 09/25/2011 1:58:20 PM PDT by behzinlea
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