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We know that the FBI gave their informant money to buy weapons with, and that he bought a large number of the Fast and Furious weapons. What I find particularily nasty about these charges is the claim that they were done to "dirty up" Dodson. Ironic if they end up "dirtying up" Voth.
1 posted on 09/26/2011 4:49:18 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: MestaMachine

Gunwalker ping.


2 posted on 09/26/2011 4:50:03 AM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: marktwain; Joe Brower

So much for a "sting gone wrong!"

4 posted on 09/26/2011 4:55:20 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: marktwain
"...they were done to "dirty up" Dodson. Ironic if they end up "dirtying up" Voth."

Apparently Dodson was smart enough to keep copies of all memos; good for him!

Good post, btw.

5 posted on 09/26/2011 5:02:51 AM PDT by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: marktwain; harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
As always, kudos to FReeper "marktwain" for his many postings on this and other firearms-related topics.

This story is yet another example of what you get when you have people who hate America running America.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

6 posted on 09/26/2011 5:03:42 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: marktwain

It just gets dirtier and dirtier.

It appears that half the top staff at the ATF need to be fired, and a few jailed.

We may have to go back to the Neurenberg trials where people used the excuse that they were just following orders.
Some orders cannot be followed. Squeeze these people hard enough and Obama’s name will come out as the leader of this debacle.

Still half of the country has never heard of “Gunwalker” the Media has been that good at keeping this hidden.


7 posted on 09/26/2011 5:05:42 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: marktwain

marktwain...thanks for your posts.

Ping for later.


11 posted on 09/26/2011 5:22:26 AM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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“We know that the FBI gave their informant money to buy weapons with, and that he bought a large number of the Fast and Furious weapons.”

If a federal agency wants firearms, why not buy them directly from the plant using a federal buyer? I assume that the cartel middleman isn’t going to demand the receipt. Why go through the effort of giving an agent “cash” and then buying them from a licensed dealer if the dealer wasn’t the focus of the activity?
If Dobson had gone to the dealer and said, “Hey, I’m a cartel buyer and I’ll give you twice the price in cash to slip me some guns,” then yes, you’ve got a case against the dealer. But giving them to a cartel middleman is ridiculous unless the stated purpose is to develop a business relationship with the middleman in the hopes he’ll lead you further up the chain. But the reason he’s the middleman is to create the separation the next level of buyer needs. The next guy up the chain isn’t an idiot. (The job self-eliminates idiots.)
Lastly, the cartels can send somebody to China or North Korea and buy whatever they want in mass quantities and have it smuggled directly to their door. Why mess around with ones and twos when you can have hundreds or thousands and hand them out the US Army armory? And, why just simple assault weapons when the Chinese and North Koreans will supply rockets, grenades, armor, RPV’s and even assault vehicles?
Let’s be generous and say the ATF/FBI/DOJ had legitimate operations going on. Okay, they’ve fallen through. So, go public and tell the taxpayers what the reasoning was, what really happened and how you’re going to clean up this mess.
BTW, what happened to the warehouses worth of seized weapons they’re always parading for the press? Why not just check some out and use them? Why spend budget when you can get them from the government for free?
Maybe what Congress needs is to insist the ATF/FBI/DOJ come to an intelligence briefing and present a business plan. “This is the purpose. This is what we’re going to invest. This is the return we expect on that investment.”
The impression I have is a high level appointee gets an idea and develops unrealistic plans in a vacuum and then hands them down for subordinates to implement.


12 posted on 09/26/2011 5:24:19 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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The link did not seem to work. Here is the link I searched and found.

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2011/09/vanderboegh-codrea-exclusive-us-govt.html


14 posted on 09/26/2011 5:37:07 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: marktwain

I’m curious about the money...Surely the ATF wouldn’t want to deal with a record of unsourced money showing up in their bank account...What happened to the money the Cartels paid for these weapons??? Maybe back into petty cash??? Or were the weapons gifts???


15 posted on 09/26/2011 6:20:56 AM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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I would recommend to all FReepers who have a vested interest in gun civil rights: Please go to Sipsey Street Irregulars and give Mike Vanderbough $5 or $10 or any amount via his PayPal donation button (it takes all major credit cards if you don't have a PayPal account. You can also PayPal him at GeorgeMason1776 (at) aol (dot) com.

According to Mike, his wife had to borrow money to get gas to pick him up in another city after the airline fouled up the connecting flight home. Mike was returning from a trip in which he and David Codrea received a SMOKING GUN letter that PROVES that the ATF was buying guns with cash (no 4473) specifically to send to Mexico! This is a felony violation of the ITAR.

To paraphrase Lincoln: "We cannot spare this man. He fights." Give Mike a fighting chance. This good man needs your help. And yes, I give to him regularly.

26 posted on 09/26/2011 10:07:49 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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"They're (the Justice Department) coming at him hard, looking for anything they can use against him," said another. "Can you blame him for keeping his head down?"

There it is, folks, the thuggery just doesn't quit.

Whistleblower law?

Why follow that when they won't follow the very laws they are supposed to be enforcing?

With few exceptions, the Agency has gone rogue and should be shut down by whatever means necessary.

28 posted on 09/26/2011 3:32:53 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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