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Perry Open to Further Intervention in Mexico’s Drug War
The Caucus Blog, NYT ^ | October 1, 2011 | Rich Oppel

Posted on 10/01/2011 3:12:56 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

MANCHESTER, N.H. — Gov. Rick Perry of Texas said on Saturday that as president, he would consider sending American troops into Mexico to help defeat drug cartels and improve border security. He indicated that any such action would be done “in concert” with the Mexican government.

“It may require our military in Mexico working in concert with them to kill these drug cartels and to keep them off of our border and to destroy their network,” Mr. Perry said during a campaign appearance here.

“I don’t know all the different scenarios that would be out there,” he said. “But I think it is very important for us to work with them to keep that country from failing.”

Sending soldiers into Mexico — even with the approval of the Mexican government — would represent a far more aggressive policy than the one employed by Washington in recent years, despite the stepped-up surveillance and logistical aid that has been provided to Mexican authorities.

The idea would also almost certainly be a non-starter with Mexican authorities. Mexico lost half of its territory to the United States in the 1850s, and ever since it has been very sensitive to the idea of any involvement by American troops in its territory.

........Mr. Perry made the comments about potentially sending troops into Mexico while describing his hopes for increased cooperation with the Mexican government, and he said that if he were elected president, he would work hard to “create a very trusting relationship” with his counterpart in Mexico.

His comments also suggested that he may pursue a far more interventionist military and foreign policy in Mexico, one that is much more expansive that even the widened approach that the Obama administration has sought.......

(Excerpt) Read more at thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: drugwar; mexicanborder; nationalsecurity; perry; perry2012
Gov. Perry Announces Deployment of Texas Military Forces Helicopters To Support Border Security EffortsThursday, March 18, 2010 • Austin, Texas

Gov. Perry: Federal Government Must Take Action To Prevent Spillover Violence from Mexico Requests Predator Drones and National Guard Troops along BorderMonday, March 15, 2010 •

"Feds say immigrants using torches and bungee cords on border fence"


Perry in helicopter with Greta VanSusteren

It is the Federal government's responsibility to secure the border. What is "non" border state politician Obama doing about it but turning his back on Rick Perry when he went to meet him on the tarmac in Austin with a letter -- after being denied a meeting?


Texas Gov. Rick Perry tries to deliver to Obama a letter expressing border security concerns. Photo by Jay Janner/Austin American-Statesman/ Aug 9, 2010 -- His letter was handed to Valerie Jarrett (in pink suit).

1 posted on 10/01/2011 3:13:01 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: All; shield
Rick Perry: September 15, 2011 - " The bigger issue is that you’re never going to have a conversation that is anything more than an intellectual exercise about immigration until you secure the border. That is what we must focus on as a country. I do not agree that building a 1,800-mile barrier is thoughtful. It’s an easy answer. I think it’s a cop out for anyone who’s actually been on the border. It’s like building a wall from Bangor, Maine to Miami, Florida. What does work is strategic fencing in your metropolitan areas, having the boots on the ground. We are woefully understaffed on that border.

We have the technology. Predator drones are being flown in United States air space as we speak. Why not fly those from Brownsville, Texas, to El Paso and to Tijuana and back and use that real-time information for local law enforcement, our state law enforcement and our federal counterparts? That’s how you thoughtfully secure that border, and then you can have a discussion about what type of immigration reform we want to consider as a country. But not until then. Too many times, we’ve been told, if we’ll just pass this immigration reform then we’ll secure the border. And it hasn’t happened...."

2 posted on 10/01/2011 3:13:34 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: All
Gov. Perry is the top executive of a border state that has a 1250 mile INTERNATIONAL border that he's repeatedly asked help to secure (even tried to personally hand Obama a letter detailing the problem and asking for federal help as Obama exited Air Force One on a fundraiser to Austin, TX. A letter that he would not take and that Valerie Jarret accepted in a dismissive gesture on the tarmac).

The state of Texas spends $100M yearly from state funds, using among other things an elite Texas Ranger force to try to secure our long border with Mexico. Rick Perry wants and has asked for drones in the air and boots on the ground (but not a fence except in urban areas where it helps).

The Federal government with it's social engineering, it's public school "don't ask for a child's U.S. citizen status" dictate, and their continued inaction on this, have put Texas in the position of resorting to working the problem as it relates to the state. So the children of illegal immigrants who have attended a minimum 3 years of high school in Texas and graduated (who want go on the college) - who are working toward citizenship, they are allowed to pay in-state tuition. This makes them more likely to contribute to the state economy than take from it. This is a big help because Texas pays a lot of money on education and health care costs due to the current federal inaction of securing the border.

I think a President Perry would have the brains and fortitude and the credibility, to finally do something about this -- no one else will. Gov. Perry has said that the border MUST BE SEALED before any talk of "where do we go next" will take place -- he said he will not repeat the cycle that keeps occurring. Gov. Perry also said in the Reagan Library debate that, "If President Obama thinks El Paso, Texas is safer today (which Obama said at a rally during a fund raising trip to the Mexican border town), either he has the worst Intel ever, or he is an abject liar."

Border related crime is a big problem for Texas (for the nation) -- it cost us money and it is a human tragedy of immense scale (crime, human trafficking, drug trafficking...)

3 posted on 10/01/2011 3:15:52 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It seems pretty apparent that the Military Mexico has now is incapable of dealing with the cartels. Quite possibly because they are in league with the cartels.

I do not believe Mexico is able to secure their own State, and I doubt they would allow us to do it either, but it isn’t a totally bad idea.


4 posted on 10/01/2011 3:17:53 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This is what I have been waiting to here.


5 posted on 10/01/2011 3:19:32 PM PDT by texmexis best
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To: Venturer

Gov. Perry has a good working relationship with Mexico since Texas shares a 1250 border with them and they are the number one trading partner of the U.S.

He would be able to get something done. And seal the border.

Obama can’t and won’t.


6 posted on 10/01/2011 3:20:44 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; RoosterRedux; jonrick46; deepbluesea; RockinRight; TexMom7; potlatch; ...
Perry Ping....

IF you'd rather NOT be pinged FReepmail me.

IF you'd like to be added FReepmail me. Thanks.

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7 posted on 10/01/2011 3:20:48 PM PDT by shield ((Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: texmexis best
And more.

The good ideas are out there but the Obama adm and the Left want to bury us.

Rick Perry's Intriguing Idea for Bi-National Health Insurance …“Contrary to Sen. Santorum’s impression, the idea here was to explore the possibility of allowing private insurers to cover health services provided in either Texas or Mexico. It was an attempt at studying the deregulation of the provision of health insurance by private entities.

8 posted on 10/01/2011 3:21:57 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Excellant post.

You have clarified a lot of Perry’s perspective.

Romney, et all don’t have a clue! Well, maybe Cain does.
Perry is an executive of a huge state, he has lived there and dealt with this all his life and my observation is that he is the most realistic, yet aggressive, about securing our borders and dealing with immigration.

But then, who cares about states rights anyways, huh?
I have now donned my CKV...”computer Kevlar vest”..ha.


9 posted on 10/01/2011 3:25:57 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Rick Perry 2012)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Why waste our time and energy when the means are available not to?
10 posted on 10/01/2011 3:27:19 PM PDT by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: shield

Seems all the Obama adm has done is GIVE guns to the Mexican drug cartels. A Texas ICE special agent was murder with one of those guns. Hundreds of people are believed to be possible victims of those Obama-Holder weapons given to criminals who traffic in drugs and humans. Belief is that the Obama adm was setting up a situation where the sale of these guns would open a challenge to the 2nd Amendment.

Perry is STRONG 2nd Amendment.


11 posted on 10/01/2011 3:28:06 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: shield

Please add me to the Perry ping.....at great risk of getting flamed...ha.


12 posted on 10/01/2011 3:30:47 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Rick Perry 2012)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

People might accuse Governor Perry of being heartless.


13 posted on 10/01/2011 3:32:01 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Please repost this tonight.

Perry is the only one who is running that is dealing with this problem on a daily basis and I think he has good instincts on this issue. I have been waiting for a President to say this for a very long time.


14 posted on 10/01/2011 3:32:16 PM PDT by texmexis best
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

” - - - he [ You Lie Obama ] is an abject liar - - - “

Over 30,000 Mexicans have been murdered in Mexico in the last 10 years. In one Mexican city school teachers have stopped teaching school because the Mexican drug gangsters are displaying the heads of their murdered victims on bridge railings.

Missionaries have been murdered in broad daylight just to steal their pickup trucks. Whatever the drug gangster wants to take they take, and murder anyone that they want to. It is small wonder that millions of Mexicans have sought safe refuge in the USA.

The primary driver for this slaughter is the US voracious appetite for drugs. Stop consuming drugs America, and restore Mexico to once again being a wonderful place to live and visit.


15 posted on 10/01/2011 3:35:12 PM PDT by Graewoulf ( obama"care" violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

“...And then I’ll give them and their kids in-state tuition rates” he added.


16 posted on 10/01/2011 3:35:36 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Gov. Sarah Palin. What'll you do?)
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To: Venturer

I sure don’t have the answers, but it’s apparent something needs to be done.


17 posted on 10/01/2011 3:38:04 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Graewoulf

In one town they’re demanding 1/2 of the teachers’ salaries or they’ll kidnap them. They did kidnap a few and then the teachers stopped teaching and the school closed.

The drug cartel and the border gangs are growing on the border and this is a bad situation for both countries.

It can’t help but be driving more people across the border.

Perry and his counter part in Mexico will lock this down and seal the border.


18 posted on 10/01/2011 3:40:42 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

If only Rick Perry had worked for building a fence,
and worked against freebies for illegal aliens,
we all would have been for him.


19 posted on 10/01/2011 3:49:02 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

We’ve had 35 years of traitorous Republicans and Democrats in the WH and Congress who have refused to secure our borders. Reagan started kit with amnesty.

Now we have nation that is turning into Mexico with all of its historic problems. Mexico has never produced much in its history except for corruption, the siesta, Mexican food, and the sombrero. When the USA imports tens of millions of Mexicans what would make anyone think that this will improve the USA culture and our nation? It won’t.

But the US Chamber of Commerce and these global corporations are buying Congress so they give away our sovereignty and allow open borders. These groups are destroying the USA so they can save $5/hr on labor.

You know that warning you get when you watch a DVD about years in prison and hundreds of thousands in fines for copying a BS Hollywood crap movie, that’s what all employers should get when they counterfeit a legitimate American with an illegal immigrant worker?

Seal the border and Mexico will deal with their problems. Yes it is tempting to say send in USA troops to once again do the dirty work for another nation. But just as with Iraq it won’t be a cakewalk. Those that want it are defense contractors wanting profits. Seal the border and make our nation great again.


20 posted on 10/01/2011 3:52:02 PM PDT by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: Venturer; Cincinatus' Wife
I do not believe Mexico is able to secure their own State, and I doubt they would allow us to do it either, but it isn’t a totally bad idea.

It sure does get their attention. IOW, if they don't want us fixing the problem with, or without them, they better get on it.

21 posted on 10/01/2011 3:58:55 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo; Cincinatus' Wife
People might accuse Governor Perry of being heartless.

I think he could handle it.

22 posted on 10/01/2011 4:01:57 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: Venturer
Mexico is a failed state, comparable to Afghanistan in its incompetence in the face of drug-dealing warlords.

The economic benefits of wiping out the cartels (and the corrupt officials in cahoots with them) would far outweigh the negative short-term consequences of intervening more aggressively (even at the cost of transferring some troops from Afghanistan to North America).

23 posted on 10/01/2011 4:09:53 PM PDT by rfp1234 (Anybody but Baracchio in 2012)
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24 posted on 10/01/2011 5:08:21 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: rfp1234

My belief is that Afghanistan and Pakistan are lost causes.

I realise the dangers of Pakistan owning nukes, but it won’t be long before countries even more dangerous have them.Pakistan has proven they cannot be trusted, and the British, Russians and now us are being driven out of Afghanistan. Is it really worth the lives of our troops to have them stay there when more people are being killed every day in Mexico than in Afghanistan.Right here on oue side of the world.

I don’t see us going to Mexico,without Mexicao asking us to and I don’t believe that will happen, but we do need to recognise the dangers that could spread to our country any time.I believe most Americans do recognise the danger , but
Napolitano, Holder, The Bama boy haven’t got a clue,.


25 posted on 10/01/2011 5:10:49 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Maybe we should just annex Mexico.


26 posted on 10/01/2011 7:31:51 PM PDT by Sybeck1 (My opinion doesn't really matter until March 13th anyway.)
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To: Diogenesis; Cincinatus' Wife
If only the ranchers didn't want fences that take up much of their land and prevent livestock from reaching the river. If Only the government didn't make it mandatory to educate those children through highschool. If only.....


27 posted on 10/01/2011 7:36:51 PM PDT by potlatch (Two Eyes, Two Ears, One Mouth - Use Them Proportionately)
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To: potlatch

Yes Obama insulted the Governor of a huge state. Perry tried to give him a letter requesting border assistance and it was refused not only by Obama but his little minion Valerie Jarrett. This insult made all the news outlets in TX and did not make Obama any friends there.


28 posted on 10/01/2011 8:40:47 PM PDT by Grey Eagle
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To: apoliticalone

Frankly, I don’t want to see one single American GI die fighting drug cartels IN Mexico. Put our servicemen ON the border, but not one step inside Mexico. The drug cartels are armed to the teeth thanks to Obama, and knowing how the Dems have tied the hands of ICE and the Border agents, they would also tie the hands of our troops. Close the border and let the Mexicans kill each other.


29 posted on 10/01/2011 8:52:33 PM PDT by holyscroller ( Without God, America is one nation under)
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To: Grey Eagle

Yes, you’re right and that’s what my image showed. Obama had previously refused to take Perry’s phone calls too.
Perry has always stood up to Obama and Obama hates that, and our success in Texas.

Obama first shut down our oil drilling, he’s refused border help and has even enacted a delay on deportation. He delayed helping with the Bastrop fire until over a thousand homes and 100 thousand acres of land were burned. Obama put unreasonable EPA restrictions on our chemical plants and refineries, etc, etc.

And in spite of all that we have prospered better than any other state. Oil drilling is starting up again but I understand the conditions to do so are onerous.


30 posted on 10/01/2011 9:12:20 PM PDT by potlatch (Two Eyes, Two Ears, One Mouth - Use Them Proportionately)
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To: apoliticalone
****** Aug 13, 2009: Texas gov. compares Gaza to Mexico”……Perry also recalled the Texas-Israel Exchange - a body that supports the trade of agricultural know-how between Texan and Israeli scientists - which he established in 1991, while serving as the Texas Agriculture Commissioner.

"We have a connection that goes back many years," he said. "And Israel has a lot that we can learn from, especially in the areas of water conservation and semi-arid land - Israeli technology has helped us a lot in dealing with drought."

"But also," the governor continued, "when I was here for the first time some 18 years ago and I was touring the country, the comparison between Masada and the Alamo was not lost on me. I mean, we're talking about two groups of people who were willing to give up their lives for freedom and liberty." Beyond the comparisons, Gov. Perry said another point of his trip here was to show other people "what was really going on", with regards to the military threats facing the country, and in particular the IDF's recent Operation Cast Lead in the Gaza Strip.

"We went to the border with Gaza and received a briefing from the army there, and we went to Sderot and saw the police station with all the Kassam rockets piled up, we saw playgrounds that had to be covered from rocket fire. It's a powerful place." In that vein, the governor said he was also interested in learning more about security aspects while in the country, as Texas has a large, porous border with Mexico, and the recent violence in that country had unnerved many Texans.

"Israel is a leader in security technology, and another reason for our visit to the Gaza border was to see some of the security measures being used there," said Perry.

"Kassam rockets have killed 28 Israelis over the last eight years. Well, 1,000 people have been killed in Juarez [Mexico, on the border with El Paso , Texas] since the beginning of the year [in drug-related violence]. So we're trying to find ways to secure that border, because just like it's important to Israelis to keep heavy security on their border with Gaza, it's important to citizens of Texas to keep out the illegal activities that are going on with drugs [in Mexico]……”.

31 posted on 10/02/2011 12:22:32 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Honestly I don’t care or GaS about these other countries including Israel. My ONLY allegiance is to the USA.

These other entangling alliances that we’ve somehow become addicted to and involved with, in direct contradiction to our founding father George Washington, mean nothing to me.

My ancestors came to the USA from Germany in the early 1700s, and frankly Germany means nothing to me. If you believe that any other nation should have a priority over the USA then I would suggest that you (meaning anyone) move there and GTF out of the USA. It is outrageous that any American would put other nations before our own.


32 posted on 10/02/2011 3:43:24 PM PDT by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: apoliticalone

Do you understand why I posted that quote and link?

Look at the thread you’re posting to for a clue.


33 posted on 10/02/2011 3:55:22 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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