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Herman Cain perpetuates an evil of democracy !
October, 1,2001 | johnwk

Posted on 10/01/2011 3:37:24 PM PDT by JOHN W K

I can’t imagine a true patriot proposing a new tax, a national consumption tax which would tax every necessity of life, in addition to keeping corporate taxes and taxes on the working person’s wage.

I also can’t imagine a true patriot proposing a new general tax among the States [Herman’s national sales tax] to feed the beast in Washington, and ignoring the rule of apportioning that tax among the States as required by our founding fathers clear intentions.

The rule of apportioning any general tax among the States was adopted by our founders to cure a vicious evil of democracy. The evil being, when 51 percent of the people in a “democracy” use their vote to tax away the property of the remaining 49 percent of the population. Unfortunately we now have a situation in America under which 45 percent of the nation’s voting population pay no income tax and yet, they were instrumental in putting Obama in the White House!

Our founders saw this very kind of evil [representation in Congress without a proportional financial obligation] and to protect against such evil they adopted the rule of apportionment to be strictly enforced if imposts and duties (taxes at our water’s edge) and internal taxes on “judiciously selected” articles of consumption, were found insufficient to meet Congress’ expenditures, in which case a general tax was then to be laid among the States but only in compliance with the rule of apportionment which predetermines each State’s share of a total sum being raised, the formula being:

FAIR SHARE OF ANY DIRECT TAX AMONG THE STATES

State`s Pop.
_________ X SUM NEEDED = STATE`S SHARE OF DIRECT TAX
U.S. pop.

This rule of apportionment, which precludes the class warfare game now being played upon us by our folks in Washington, is articulated in several of our State Ratification documents, e.g.. see Ratification of the Constitution by the State of New Hampshire; June 21, 1788

Fourthly That Congress do not lay direct Taxes but when the money arising from Impost, Excise and their other resources are insufficient for the Publick Exigencies; nor then, untill Congress shall have first made a Requisition upon the States, to Assess, Levy, & pay their respective proportions, of such requisitions agreeably to the Census fixed in the said Constitution in such way & manner as the Legislature of the State shall think best and in such Case if any State shall neglect, then Congress may Assess & Levy such States proportion together with the Interest thereon at the rate of six per Cent per Annum from the Time of payment prescribed in such requisition-

While the rule of apportioning would still be applied to representation under Herman’s new national sales tax, i.e.,

State`s Pop.
___________ X House size (435) = State`s No.of Reps.
U.S. pop.

Herman ignores applying the rule of apportionment to his new tax and in so doing would deny the People of those States who pay the lion’s share under it their representation in Congress proportionately equal to the financial contribution.

Now, let us take a look at the founder’s clear intentions for any general tax laid among the States:

Pinckney addressing the S.C. ratification convention with regard to the rule of apportionment says:

“With regard to the general government imposing internal taxes upon us, he contended that it was absolutely necessary they should have such a power: requisitions had been in vain tried every year since the ratification of the old Confederation, and not a single state had paid the quota required of her. The general government could not abuse this power, and favor one state and oppress another, as each state was to be taxed only in proportion to its representation“__ 4 Elliot‘s, S.C., 305-6

Also see: “The proportion of taxes are fixed by the number of inhabitants, and not regulated by the extent of the territory, or fertility of soil” 3 Elliot`s, 243, “Each state will know, from its population, its proportion of any general tax” Mr. George Nicholas, during the ratification debates of our Constitution

And, Mr. Madison goes on to remark about Congress’s “general power of taxation” that, "they will be limited to fix the proportion of each State, and they must raise it in the most convenient and satisfactory manner to the public." 3 Elliot‘s, 255

And then there is Mr. PENDLETON‘S comment which goes directly to the evil of democracy being corrected by the rule of apportionment:

“The apportionment of representation and taxation by the same scale is just; it removes the objection, that, while Virginia paid one sixth part of the expenses of the Union [under the Articles of Confederation], she had no more weight in public counsels than Delaware, which paid but a very small portion” 3 Elliot‘s 41

So, for those who are loyal defenders of our Constitution, shouldn’t Herman Cain be asked the following question during Atlanta’s coming debate, perhaps by Michelle Bachmann?

“Mr. Cain,

In the implementation of your 999 plan proposing to tax incomes and tax the wages which working people earn when selling the property each has in their labor, you want an addition tax to feed the beast in Washington, a national sales tax.

Why have you not required your national sales tax to be apportioned among the States, as intended by our founder’s, and was intended to protect our nation from a vicious evil of democracy?”

BTW, as I pointed out elsewhere, the only reason why Herman won Florida’s straw poll is because the 3,500 delegates who voted in Florida’s poll were hand selected by the Republican party county’s executive committee and The Republican Party of Florida i.e., the freaken Establishment! And the Establishment has been trying to get an across the board federal tax on consumption [national sales tax, valued added tax, fairtax, etc.], for years, in addition to keeping existing income taxation, to feed to beast in Washington!

JWK

"If the Constitution was ratified under the belief, sedulously propagated on all sides, that such protection was afforded, would it not now be a fraud upon the whole people to give a different construction to its powers?"___ Justice Story


TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: 999plan; cain; election2012; hermancain; nationalsalestax; taxreform; vanity
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1 posted on 10/01/2011 3:37:26 PM PDT by JOHN W K
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To: JOHN W K

Maybe it’s time to listen to Cain...just a little closer. You want to trust him?? Not me....


2 posted on 10/01/2011 3:40:44 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: JOHN W K

If you eliminate the whopping earned income tax refund checks, eliminate all loopholes for the wealthy, begin to receive taxes on those working under the table... YOU FLATTEN THE TAX. The amount if new revenue would be astounding. The rest of us at. 20-36 percent would now pay 9. And that is only in what we buy not what we earn


3 posted on 10/01/2011 3:44:03 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: JOHN W K

If you eliminate the whopping earned income tax refund checks, eliminate all loopholes for the wealthy, begin to receive taxes on those working under the table... YOU FLATTEN THE TAX. The amount if new revenue would be astounding. The rest of us at. 20-36 percent would now pay 9. And that is only in what we buy not what we earn


4 posted on 10/01/2011 3:44:18 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: JOHN W K
I think the idea is to simplify the tax code so that those 50% who pay nothing will pay something. I don't think the 999 plan is to my liking but I do "get it" and I totally see the need for a total overhaul of the tax code.
5 posted on 10/01/2011 3:48:29 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Sacajaweau

I do listen to him, and very closely!

Cain sold his soul when joining the Federal Reserve, and now he is doing their bidding for a national sales tax on top of corporate taxes and on top of income taxes, including taxes on the wages of labor, all of which are needed to feed the beast in Washington.

JWK


6 posted on 10/01/2011 3:48:44 PM PDT by JOHN W K
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To: JOHN W K

I heard a breakdown of how this 999 thing works and boy is that a wolf in sheeps clothing.

You are exactly right.

Hit’s the middle class right between the eyes.


7 posted on 10/01/2011 3:49:35 PM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: GeronL

I’m with you. Not enamored with Cain’s exact plan but I trust him a whole hell of a lot more than most of the candidates.

When it comes right down to it the spending is the root of the problem. Cain’s plan combined with Bachmann’s spending cuts could be a real winner.


8 posted on 10/01/2011 3:53:28 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: JOHN W K

I like Herman Cain, And I like the way he understands the numbers BUT..

He is going to have hell trying to pass the 9 9 9 plan

People will bitch at the bottom over 9% sales tax.(you screwin the poor)

People will bitch in the middle about 9% tax on homes and automobiles (you screwin the middle class)

And here is the clincher.. The IRS and all the other weenies that make a living off of a convoluted tax plan will never let it fly (You screwin my cushy empire)


9 posted on 10/01/2011 3:54:33 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be FartsSo if you are here legally on a Visa, that is the same thing as)
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To: JOHN W K
Uh, wow.. Excitable aintcha? So you're happy with Obama and the current system?

Mr. Cain's proposal may or may not be the answer but at least has ideas and has the guts to let us know what they are.

10 posted on 10/01/2011 3:55:08 PM PDT by Chainmail
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To: JOHN W K
I also can’t imagine a true patriot proposing a new general tax among the States [Herman’s national sales tax] to feed the beast in Washington, and ignoring the rule of apportioning that tax among the States as required by our founding fathers clear intentions.

Article I, Section 8, Clause 1:

The Congress shall have power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises...but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States...

You're confusing excise taxes (e.g. sales taxes) with direct taxes (e.g. income taxes). Direct taxes were indeed originally required to be equal, to prevent unequal taxation on individuals. That was eliminated with the 16th amendment with respect to income taxes.

Excise taxes (in this case sales taxes) must be uniform, so Federal law can't require a 10% national sales tax rate in FL and a 5% national sales tax rate in CA.

11 posted on 10/01/2011 3:55:19 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

I sure am glad we've got people around here to straighten us out about these things.
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12 posted on 10/01/2011 3:55:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Sacajaweau

I don’t like his 999 plan one bit. It instantly makes the poorest peoples buying power worse. The people who have the least will be hurt the most by it.

What’s so conservative about that?

(I’ll be ignoring any and all flames on this thread)


13 posted on 10/01/2011 3:56:49 PM PDT by Bullish (Recovery won't begin until Obama loses HIS job.)
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To: JOHN W K

What a bunch of morons!

Cain is trying to get us toward a flat tax and thinks his 9-9-9 plan is one step towards that.

I guess this is what Cain gets for actually taking a position on something. He should be like Romney and just attack everyone else without putting up ideas.

If you people keep picking at every little detail when something is proposed, Romney will be our nominee.


14 posted on 10/01/2011 3:57:56 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Cain for President - Because I Like The Content of His Character!)
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To: cripplecreek

I think you coined a good term FOR WHAT WE ARE LIVING UNDER TODAY. “An EVIL democracy. Well at least the evil part was right.
the current tax code allows the rich to avoid taxes and the poor pay nine. Who the he.ll do you think is paying????? THE MIDDLE CLASS and we are tapped out!


15 posted on 10/01/2011 3:58:48 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: cripplecreek

I think you coined a good term FOR WHAT WE ARE LIVING UNDER TODAY. “An EVIL democracy. Well at least the evil part was right.
the current tax code allows the rich to avoid taxes and the poor pay nine. Who the he.ll do you think is paying????? THE MIDDLE CLASS and we are tapped out!


16 posted on 10/01/2011 3:58:58 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: Gunslingr3

Thank you. :)


17 posted on 10/01/2011 4:00:25 PM PDT by Marie (Cain 9s Have Teeth)
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To: JOHN W K
Just a couple of comments regarding your conspiracy theory:
the 3,500 delegates who voted in Florida’s poll were hand selected by the Republican party county’s executive committee and The Republican Party of Florida i.e., the freaken Establishment!

Yes, those of us who attended RPOF Presidency V as voting delegates were all Republicans. It was a Republican event, Einstein. It wasn't a Libertarian, Green Party or Communist Workers Party event.

Yes, the delegates in my county were hand selected. Names of people who applied to be voting delegates were pulled out of a hat. This required the use of a human limb with fingers and an opposable thumb. Delegate applicants were required to be present for the lottery drawing. Then we were required to pay the admittance fee immediately.

As for Herman Cain's 9-9-9 tax plan, I heard last night that used items including homes and vehicles would be exempt from the tax. I am eager to learn more about the plan. When I have questions, I plan to ask them.

18 posted on 10/01/2011 4:01:06 PM PDT by NautiNurse ("This Is Hermain Cain!" has moved up to #112 in Amazon books. Release date: Oct 4)
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To: JOHN W K

Nice to know you are fine with continuing the progressive income tax system and high corporate taxes. By the way, when did you skip the gross versus net class?

I also take it you really hate the fair tax?

Cain’s system seems a logical step to implement either a fair tax system in incremental steps.


19 posted on 10/01/2011 4:01:19 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Bullish

If businesses expand, more people will have jobs and we’ll have...

... less poor people.

Just throwing that out there.


20 posted on 10/01/2011 4:02:13 PM PDT by Marie (Cain 9s Have Teeth)
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To: Donnafrflorida
I think you are too concerned with a new way to feed the beast in Washington and overlook the very reason why the rule of apportionment was adopted by our founding fathers, which was adopted to prevent 51 percent of the nation’s population from using their vote to tax the property away from the remaining 49 percent of the nation’s population.

In addition, under Cain’s plan, a working person would not only pay a 9 percent tax upon every necessity of life he purchases, but an additional 9 percent on the wages he earns when selling the property each has in their own labor.

Is this in harmony with our founding father’s thinking? I think not:

“…..with all these blessings, what more is necessary to make us a happy and a prosperous people? Still one thing more, fellow-citizens—a wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvementand shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities“. Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address

I think the answer to real tax reform is to add the following 32 words to our Constitution which would return us to our Constitution's ORIGINAL TAX PLAN as our founders intended it to operate:

The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money

JWK

Our federal government personifies a living creature, a predator: it grows, it multiplies, it protects itself, it feeds on those it can defeat, and does everything to expand its powers and flourish, even at the expense of enslaving a nation’s entire population.

21 posted on 10/01/2011 4:02:32 PM PDT by JOHN W K
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To: Marie

I think of my 80 year old mother for example. She is on a fixed income (SSI) people like her would be stuck paying the extra 9% without any extra money.

Is that fair? Is that right?


22 posted on 10/01/2011 4:04:46 PM PDT by Bullish (Recovery won't begin until Obama loses HIS job.)
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To: JOHN W K
Cain sold his soul when joining the Federal Reserve

Ahh... another one that has no clue the difference between the regional federal reserve banks and the board of governors in DC. Here is a hint, Just because "Fed" is in the title doesn't mean they do the same thing any more than FedEx does. The regional federal reserve banks have nothing to do with monetary policy, currency valuation, or any of that Jekyll Island stuff. They have a unique and indepedent role from the Board of Governor's in DC that most folks associate with the Fed.

Accusing Cain of being part of that is like saying he is part of the mafia for running "Godfather's" pizza.

23 posted on 10/01/2011 4:05:10 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Erik Latranyi

Ruh roh... it seems that Herman is about to get slings and arrows..

Personally I would like Herman to kick Obama square in the nuts, but it seems he is now the focus of scrutiny rather than Perry.

I like Herman, I really do, but I think the 999 plan is unworkable, I think he has no understanding of US Government and I think his having had stage 4 cancer is a problem.


24 posted on 10/01/2011 4:05:23 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be FartsSo if you are here legally on a Visa, that is the same thing as)
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To: Bullish
. She is on a fixed income (SSI) people like her would be stuck paying the extra 9% without any extra money.

Again, folks need to learn Gross versus Net. She is already spending 30% corporate tax written into the prices of goods and services she buys. That would go down to 9% corporate + 9% sales, or 18%- in other words a decrease she has to spend of 12%. She wouldn't be spending 9% more, she would be spending 12% less.

25 posted on 10/01/2011 4:07:33 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: cripplecreek

Any plan that purports to be “revenue neutral” is not to my liking because it supports the notion that the federal government needs this much money. The government could cut spending in half as far as I am concerned and still not be fully within the bounds of Constitutional restraint.

Welfare is one place. How many different programs and bureaucracies are there to help “the poor” these days?

There should be ONE welfare program. Let it be a monthly cash dole, make the recipients show up in person and be subjected to a random “audit” to see if they really are poor. That’s a lot of bureaucrats out of work, lol.

No Dept of Education and a lot of other things should be abolished too.


26 posted on 10/01/2011 4:08:45 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Bullish

My mother lives off of Social security and she’s as excited as hell about this plan.

Because she realizes that overall, prices will go down. The 9% tax will be a wash or better than what we’re paying now.

And if my husband and i get the $7000 estimated tax savings that the Fair Tax calculator says we’ll get, we might be able to actually be able to afford to help our parents out in their old age.

Imagine that. Family being able to afford to take responsibility for family instead of leaving it in the lap of the government.


27 posted on 10/01/2011 4:10:23 PM PDT by Marie (Cain 9s Have Teeth)
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To: Gunslingr3
And you are not reading the very intentions for which the founders adopted the rule of apportionment for any general tax laid among the States! Now, please take the time and go back to the top of the thread and read the words of our founding fathers with respect to any general tax laid among the States.

JWK

28 posted on 10/01/2011 4:11:52 PM PDT by JOHN W K
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To: JOHN W K

You are calling Herman Cain evil????? I stop listening to you right there, since you are obviously projecting your own main characteristic.


29 posted on 10/01/2011 4:13:11 PM PDT by abclily
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To: GeronL

One of the good things Bachmann has proposed is ditching the department of ed and handing control back over to the states. She’s also pointed out that federal highways are fully funded but the money is spent elsewhere while Bammy is squealing about needing more money for trains.

Personally I would eliminate corporate taxes and most regulation. The only thing those taxes and regulations do is provide incentive for crony corruption.


30 posted on 10/01/2011 4:18:51 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: Bullish

SSI is not taxable income, I don’t think


31 posted on 10/01/2011 4:19:31 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: mnehring; Marie
Yeah, I figured I'd get a lot of people thinking they know what will happen with this plan.

One thing that won't happen is prices coming down. I admit inflation would probably be slowed down, but prices will not come down. They never do.

32 posted on 10/01/2011 4:20:23 PM PDT by Bullish (Recovery won't begin until Obama loses HIS job.)
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To: abclily

Herman had better address how he will rid of us income tax before he legislates a 9% national sales tax.

We could end up with both.

And I already pay 8 and 3/4 sales tax here in Texas.
Am I to pay 17 and 3/4% on daily goods?


33 posted on 10/01/2011 4:22:44 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be FartsSo if you are here legally on a Visa, that is the same thing as)
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To: GeronL
SSI is not taxable income, I don’t think

There's an extra 9% sales tax that would effect everything my mother buys.
Her working days are over and she's never getting another raise. It's just not fair to people like her.

34 posted on 10/01/2011 4:24:07 PM PDT by Bullish (Recovery won't begin until Obama loses HIS job.)
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To: JOHN W K

LOL...oh, the Anti-Cain forces are mobilizing. This should be fun. Folks, do your homework on Cain and the 9-9-9 plan...it won’t make you look so foolish. Now, before you call Herman anti-American, reflect some of the other candidates running. One, proposed Obama style health care on his people. One believes we don’t have a heart if we oppose tuition for illegals. One cries everytime a terrorist is killed. So, for my money, I am going with the man with a plan. Herman Cain!!!


35 posted on 10/01/2011 4:24:13 PM PDT by chilepup
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To: Bullish

I have always wondered how much the price of everything we buy is because of corporate taxes.


36 posted on 10/01/2011 4:28:02 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: GeronL
We are in agreement about the unconstitutional federal department of education! It needs to be shut down, it's nothing more than a money laundering machine.

And I’m sure most here know what I mean by the Establishment Republicans, such as those who embraced the un-constitutional No Child Left Behind Act Hey, isn’t that our current Republican Speaker of the House in the picture with a big fat grin on his face?

JWK

Our federal government personifies a living creature, a predator: it grows, it multiplies, it protects itself, it feeds on those it can defeat, and does everything to expand its powers and flourish, even at the expense of enslaving a nation’s entire population.

37 posted on 10/01/2011 4:29:35 PM PDT by JOHN W K
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To: Bullish

Prices do come down. Ever take a course in economics?


38 posted on 10/01/2011 4:34:35 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter Hobbit)
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To: cripplecreek
And that is why I would like Michelle Bachmann to ask Cain the following question:

“Mr. Cain,

In the implementation of your 999 plan proposing to tax incomes and tax the wages which working people earn when selling the property each has in their labor, you want an addition tax to feed the beast in Washington, a national sales tax.

Why have you not required your national sales tax to be apportioned among the States, as intended by our founder’s, and was intended to protect our nation from a vicious evil of democracy?”

JWK

“The proportion of taxes are fixed by the number of inhabitants, and not regulated by the extent of the territory, or fertility of soil” 3 Elliot`s, 243, “Each state will know, from its population, its proportion of any general tax” Mr. George Nicholas, during the ratification debates of our Constitution

39 posted on 10/01/2011 4:36:06 PM PDT by JOHN W K
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To: JOHN W K
Our biggest issue with taxation is representation.

We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our selection between economy and liberty or profusion and servitude. If we run into such debts as that we must be taxed in our meat in our drink, in our necessities and comforts, in our labors and in our amusements, for our callings and our creeds...our people.. must come to labor sixteen hours in the twenty-four, give earnings of fifteen of these to the government for their debts and daily expenses; and the sixteenth being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live.. We have not time to think, no means of calling the mis-managers to account, but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains on the necks of our fellow suffers. Our landholders, too...retaining indeed the title and stewardship of estates called theirs, but held really in trust for the treasury, must...be contented with penury, obscurity and exile.. private fortunes are destroyed by public as well as by private extravagance.

This is the tendency of all human governments. A departure from principle becomes a precedent for a second; that second for a third; and so on, till the bulk of society is reduced to mere automatons of misery, to have no sensibilities left but for sinning and suffering... And the fore horse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follows that, and in it's train wretchedness and oppression."

Thomas Jefferson on Taxation And Public Debt

40 posted on 10/01/2011 4:40:51 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be FartsSo if you are here legally on a Visa, that is the same thing as)
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To: Kirkwood
Prices do come down.

While prices fluctuate, they creep up steadily do to market forces. One way to look at it is for every 1 cent decrease there's a 2 cent increase in the making due to inflation and other factors.

Can you honestly argue that prices come down when you know full well in the long run prices always steadily creep up? What was the price of a quart of milk in 1900? What was it in 1960? What is it today?

Your insult about my education level was duly noted and I'll just say it's none of your business.

41 posted on 10/01/2011 4:43:34 PM PDT by Bullish (Recovery won't begin until Obama loses HIS job.)
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To: JOHN W K

AND WE WOULD NOT HAVE THIS TAXATION PROBLEM IF WE DID NOT HAVE MASSIVE PUBLIC DEBT.

FUBO!


42 posted on 10/01/2011 4:46:00 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: JOHN W K

Everyone wants to starve the beast. But I want a nation that I can be proud of with an infrastructure that is safe and up to date and an efficient government that works for the people and not global business.

The government workers (and especially the political elite) should have benefits and compensation and pensions comparable to the private sector. If we are going to force private sector laborers to work until they are 70, then civil service, cops and military should not be retiring in their 40s.

I’m willing to pay taxes to accomplish that as long as they are not funding corruption at the bottom (welfare) and at the top (corporate crony welfare) and waste in government. Lets reward whistle-blowers as a start. The military too needs cut significantly to force a culture of efficiency in the system. Anyone who has served is aware their is no single entity in the world that wastes more billions than the DOD. Our defense of the world on our dime needs to end now. Other nations who benefit from our defense should be paying their way.


43 posted on 10/01/2011 4:46:52 PM PDT by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: Marie

Have you ever seen prices on goods drop once raised? I haven’t. Ditto the taxes. How long will it be before that 999 is increased to 202020? These are spendaholic politicians. Do you actually trust them? I don’t.

Secondly, it is a way to continue to tax the Boomers who already have been taxed to death virtually all their working lives. They are the longest, highest taxed generation in history.


44 posted on 10/01/2011 4:50:58 PM PDT by stilloftyhenight
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To: Gunslingr3

16th amendment was not legally ratified .
It is not a TAX ON INCOME.
It is a tax for using the Federal Reserve Banks $$$$$
It is not our money, but theirs. The FRB.
Why do you think they (FRB) pay the Treasury for printing their $$$?
Why do you think that on the dollar, the Federal Reserve Bank is above the United States of America?
The lender is ALWAYS listed above the borrower.


45 posted on 10/01/2011 4:53:06 PM PDT by Bibman (DC politicians are all "Financial Pedophile's")
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To: JOHN W K

i’m sure food would not be included...but i wonder about homes. It would make a difference to us in buying a car though.


46 posted on 10/01/2011 4:56:31 PM PDT by Jewels1091
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To: stilloftyhenight
Boomers who already have been taxed to death virtually all their working lives. They are the longest, highest taxed generation in history.

Amen

47 posted on 10/01/2011 5:00:11 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Jewels1091

Everything is included. A 9% tax on top of what you already pay for goods and services.

Perhaps I am wrong.
Maybe Mr Cain can clarify?


48 posted on 10/01/2011 5:03:26 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Maybe you can clarify, you’re the one who is out there spreading misinformation.

Obviously you haven’t read the plan! You write posts like an Obama liberal.


49 posted on 10/01/2011 5:08:31 PM PDT by o2bfree
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50 posted on 10/01/2011 5:13:01 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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