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Herman Cain perpetuates an evil of democracy !
October, 1,2001 | johnwk

Posted on 10/01/2011 3:37:24 PM PDT by JOHN W K

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To: GeronL
SSI is not taxable income, I don’t think

Actually, it depends if you established a retirement income source outside of SSI. From the IRS:

You can do the following quick computation to determine whether some of your benefits may be taxable:

• First, add one-half of the total Social Security benefits you received to all your other income, including any tax exempt interest and other exclusions from income.

• Then, compare this total to the base amount for your filing status. If the total is more than your base amount, some of your benefits may be taxable.

The 2010 base amounts are:

• $32,000 for married couples filing jointly.

• $25,000 for single, head of household, qualifying widow/widower with a dependent child, or married individuals filing separately who did not live with their spouses at any time during the year.

• $0 for married persons filing separately who lived together during the year.

61 posted on 10/01/2011 5:28:21 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: Bullish

I agree. I don’t want a national sales tax that will be piggy-backing state sales tax. (I don’t think the states are going to be too fond of this, either)

It will hurt people. If we give out some type of tax exemption cards for those people...well, same as now just different. (what about those “empowerment” zones..puhleeese!)

I also don’t believe corporations will discount prices because they start paying lower taxes, so “that dog don’t hunt” with me.

Congress would never give up that national sales tax, those greedy SOB’s can’t help themselves and that 9.99 special—it is a *limited time offer*. We could never shake it off once it is levied on us!

Lower corporate taxes, go with a flat tax—drop the gimmicks. I hate the idea of a national sales tax—hate it!


62 posted on 10/01/2011 5:29:02 PM PDT by Irenic
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To: mylife
Personally I would like Herman to kick Obama square in the nuts, but it seems he is now the focus of scrutiny rather than Perry.

...and while we are playing circular firing squad, Romney is walking away with the nomination.

One year from now, we will be sitting here asking ourselves how did this happen?

63 posted on 10/01/2011 5:29:24 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Cain for President - Because I Like The Content of His Character!)
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To: Bullish
It instantly makes the poorest peoples buying power worse. The people who have the least will be hurt the most by it.

Fair Tax

64 posted on 10/01/2011 5:33:34 PM PDT by fightinJAG (Please stop posting "helpful hints" in parentheses the title box. Thank you.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Yes.


65 posted on 10/01/2011 5:34:27 PM PDT by fightinJAG (Please stop posting "helpful hints" in parentheses the title box. Thank you.)
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To: o2bfree

My main contention that the flat tax cant be done because government is to convoluted and in trenched already and will fight him tooth and nail to maintain their empire of taxation.

My concern with Mr Cains Plan is that it.

A. Cant dislodge the cretins that run the convoluted system as it stands.
And
B. his simple straight forward plan isn’t really that simple or straight forward.

Its lovely to think that the mathematician Federal Reserve fellow really just wants to make life simple for us all.

But I have some reservations


66 posted on 10/01/2011 5:36:33 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Erik Latranyi

True enough


67 posted on 10/01/2011 5:38:01 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mnehring

Thank you again.


68 posted on 10/01/2011 5:38:19 PM PDT by fightinJAG (Please stop posting "helpful hints" in parentheses the title box. Thank you.)
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To: All

I tell ya what.

Before we even think of altering the tax code, I think we should look at reducing deficits.


69 posted on 10/01/2011 5:42:23 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Bullish

I don’t understand how you can base your evaluation of a tax proposal on the basis of what’s “fair” to someone such as your mother.

Do you really think that a state, for example, will never raise its sale tax while she is living there on her fixed income?

Or that the FedGov might not impose new federal taxes on everything from OTC medicines to gasoline surcharges while she is living on her fixed income?

I don’t understand the point that you are trying to convey here. Yes, it can be difficult and may even seem unfair when the cost of necessities goes up for ANY reason, but how is it conservative to argue policy based on an individual’s circumstances?


70 posted on 10/01/2011 5:44:16 PM PDT by fightinJAG (Please stop posting "helpful hints" in parentheses the title box. Thank you.)
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To: mylife

I heard Herman last night on Jay Leno and he said there is no sales tax on used cars or used homes. There will only be sales tax on new homes and cars.


71 posted on 10/01/2011 5:44:16 PM PDT by vickixxxx
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To: mylife

I heard Herman last night on Jay Leno and he said there is no sales tax on used cars or used homes. There will only be sales tax on new homes and cars.


72 posted on 10/01/2011 5:45:09 PM PDT by vickixxxx
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To: vickixxxx

Oh Ok. That should spur the economy along


73 posted on 10/01/2011 5:46:43 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife
Our biggest issue with taxation is representation.

At the time of the American Revolution the problem for the country was taxation without representation.

Today the problem for the country is representation without taxation.

74 posted on 10/01/2011 5:47:03 PM PDT by fightinJAG (Please stop posting "helpful hints" in parentheses the title box. Thank you.)
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To: apoliticalone
This - Everyone wants to starve the beast. is not mutually exclusive with this - But I want a nation that I can be proud of with an infrastructure that is safe and up to date and an efficient government that works for the people and not global business.


75 posted on 10/01/2011 5:49:00 PM PDT by fightinJAG (Please stop posting "helpful hints" in parentheses the title box. Thank you.)
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To: fightinJAG

Huh?


76 posted on 10/01/2011 5:49:02 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife
A 9% tax on top of what you already pay for goods and services.

You seem to be assuming that the price of everything will stay the same and then a 9% surcharge will be added?

That is not the case. The costs of goods and services will change because the corporate tax rate will change and so will consumer demand.

If you paid a 4% sales tax on a doughnut that you were charged a dollar for, but a 9% sales tax on a doughnut that you were charged 50 cents for, you'll end up paying less.

77 posted on 10/01/2011 5:53:40 PM PDT by fightinJAG (Please stop posting "helpful hints" in parentheses the title box. Thank you.)
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To: JOHN W K
Keep in mind that normally Presidents might campaign on an idea that is expected to bend and compromise if it ever were to become law. It's pretty well established that Congress makes the laws.

Could I see a 9% FedZilla sales tax? Maybe. If they also shutdown the IRS, OSHA, EPA, NEA, repeal Obamacare, and pretty much permanently destroy the rest of the alphabet soup money wasters at the same time.

Give it a trial period. A couple years of no holds barred, rampant laissez fair capitalism, just to grease the machine. Find out if it can it be revived?

I'm enjoying an IRS audit regarding forms filed years ago. The glaring error is a form they lost somehow. I can't afford an accountant.

I'm giving an ear to anyone who wants to talk about fedzilla and it's wasted time and money for all involved.

I'm particularly impressed with these comments;
The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money

JWK

Our federal government personifies a living creature, a predator: it grows, it multiplies, it protects itself, it feeds on those it can defeat, and does everything to expand its powers and flourish, even at the expense of enslaving a nation’s entire population.

78 posted on 10/01/2011 5:59:27 PM PDT by WhoisAlanGreenspan?
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To: fightinJAG

Herman Cains Phase one "enhanced plan" relies entirely on the "Super committee" And airy group of six that I defy anyone here to name, and a group that will no longer exist by the time of the election.

79 posted on 10/01/2011 5:59:59 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Erik Latranyi
"Romney will be our nominee"

And Obamma will be our President.
80 posted on 10/01/2011 6:03:01 PM PDT by Souled_Out (Our hope is in the power of God working through the hearts of people.)
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