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The destructive culture of pretty pink princesses (barf alert? vanity)
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Posted on 10/08/2011 8:46:01 AM PDT by Mandingo Conservative

Girls the world over often go through a "princess phase," enthralled with anything pink and pretty — most especially the Disney princesses.

When it happened to Peggy Orenstein's daughter Daisy, the contributing writer for the New York Times Magazine stepped back to examine the phenomenon. She found that the girlie-girl culture being marketed to little girls was less innocent than it might seem, and can have negative consequences for girls' psychological, social and physical development.

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KEYWORDS: disney; feminaziagenda; feminazism; feminism; girls; newyorktimesmagazine
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She has a point...but is it just another feminist attack on sex roles and just changing the way things just are? Little girls like princess stuff...what's wrong with that? Or does it teach them to become gold digging objects of desire?
1 posted on 10/08/2011 8:46:08 AM PDT by Mandingo Conservative
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To: Mandingo Conservative

I prefer girly-girls. My 16 y/o step-daughter is basically a boy in every way BUT anatomy and cannot figure out why the only boys that are willing to spend time with her are gay.


2 posted on 10/08/2011 8:51:16 AM PDT by Grunthor (Heartless Bigot for Cain.)
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To: Mandingo Conservative

I think most of my childhood was spent playing Princess.All of the other f=girls wanted to play Mommy and house but not me I had a scarf and a plastic tiara I wore.I remember the day I told Daddy I was going to grow up and be a real Princess and he told me we were American and did not have Princesses. :((


3 posted on 10/08/2011 8:54:57 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Mandingo Conservative

I think most of my childhood was spent playing Princess.All of the other girls wanted to play Mommy and house but not me I had a scarf and a plastic tiara I wore.I remember the day I told Daddy I was going to grow up and be a real Princess and he told me we were American and did not have Princesses. :((


4 posted on 10/08/2011 8:55:16 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Mandingo Conservative
Pink's a color - big deal.

Far more destructive is the feminist push to convince young women there should be no distinctions between the sexes.

5 posted on 10/08/2011 8:56:04 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Mandingo Conservative

I am SOOOO allergic to this pink princess stuff.

My mother (a Math major in college) told me (computer science) to “be useful, not decorative”.
I used the same principle with my daughters. One is an engineer the other is an entomologist (insect scientist). And neither of them wear the color pink!


6 posted on 10/08/2011 8:57:54 AM PDT by mason-dixon (As Mason said to Dixon, you have to draw the line somewhere.)
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To: chris_bdba

You should have asked him if he’d ever heard of Grace Kelly.


7 posted on 10/08/2011 8:58:33 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Mandingo Conservative

The bad thing is when they don’t grow out of their princess phase and grow up. They become middle aged princesses divorced and alone with no one to manipulate.


8 posted on 10/08/2011 8:59:48 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Mandingo Conservative

I think the author makes some valid points, but she is over applying the broad brush by dismissing the whole idea of girls wanting to find their definition as female, which is a phase many of them apparently go through when they are about 3-5 years old.


9 posted on 10/08/2011 8:59:48 AM PDT by Post Toasties (Leftists give insanity a bad name.)
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To: Mandingo Conservative

I think the author makes some valid points, but she is over applying the broad brush by dismissing the whole idea of girls wanting to find their definition as female, which is a phase many of them apparently go through when they are about 3-5 years old.


10 posted on 10/08/2011 9:00:06 AM PDT by Post Toasties (Leftists give insanity a bad name.)
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To: Mandingo Conservative

She named her daughter Daisy though...sounds girlie girl to me. Just don’t name your daughter Chastity!


11 posted on 10/08/2011 9:01:10 AM PDT by Boardwalk
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To: Mandingo Conservative

My daughter grew up with the pink-princess phenomenon. She is the girliest girl you can imagine, and at 23 this jaw-droppingly beautiful young Christian lady has boxes of makeup and hair-care products, tons of clothes in Lilly Pulitzer pink, and is always perfectly manicured.

She can also drive a tractor or a six-horse stock trailer, run power tools, break a horse, ride to hounds, handle a shotgun, and get a very nice placement with the handgun she carries. She can do hard physical labor all day, in all weather, and in her last job she ran a crew of tough men. She can handle her liquor and her finances. In other words, she’s like her mother and grandmothers.

So in general I think being a pink princess is just fine, and the people who want to discourage girls from being feminine are leftists.


12 posted on 10/08/2011 9:01:45 AM PDT by ottbmare (off-the-track Thoroughbred mare)
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To: mason-dixon

There is nothing wrong with being attractive and “useful”. Pink is a pretty, happy color, and I wear it. Colors make me happy.


13 posted on 10/08/2011 9:02:10 AM PDT by beandog (I am saddened by what I see)
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To: chris_bdba

When my granddaughter was little, she said the dinner blessing and she ended by saying “god let me be a real princess”. She’s 14 and still my princess.


14 posted on 10/08/2011 9:03:44 AM PDT by Krodg
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To: mason-dixon

Football players are sporting pink now. At first I was a little upset to see our quarterback with pink accessories on the field but it is for a the cancer cure. As a girl I personally love the color pink. I like the pink and black combination too as it brings me back to my ballerina days.


15 posted on 10/08/2011 9:04:18 AM PDT by Boardwalk
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To: Mandingo Conservative

Well, like my father used to say, for a few years in her life, every woman gets to be a Princess. We can just snap our fingers and get whatever we want, and no matter how b*tchy we act, men will call us “tempestuous” and “spirited.” Then he said, we hit the Reality Wall at around 30. I guess I will find out in a few years.


16 posted on 10/08/2011 9:06:20 AM PDT by Squeeky ("Truth is so rare that it is delightful to tell it. " Emily Dickinson)
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To: Squeeky

The reality wall really depends on how you age. Some women at 30 look 40 and some like me looked 18.


17 posted on 10/08/2011 9:08:54 AM PDT by Boardwalk
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To: Boardwalk

That sound right. Plus, it helps if you swap out your “prince” every once in a while. LOL!!!


18 posted on 10/08/2011 9:12:40 AM PDT by Squeeky ("Truth is so rare that it is delightful to tell it. " Emily Dickinson)
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To: Mandingo Conservative

Nothing wrong with girly fantasies, but it is the larger cultural poison of entitlement, “everybody gets a trophy” precious snowflake stuff that makes the princess mindset toxic.

When I was growing up I had British books from the turn of the century, and Kipling, and CS Lewis’ Narnia, that stressed that being a leader or being royal meant to use your power to serve your country, kingdom, or army. Being served was ONLY so you could concentrate on wielding your power and intellect to serve and lead. If parents were smart enough to introduce that ethic into their daughters’ princess meme, they would raise some amazing young ladies.


19 posted on 10/08/2011 9:12:46 AM PDT by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender! REMEMBER NEDA)
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To: Mandingo Conservative

Can’t say much. It’s a lib writer waking up to some of the nastier products of the lib culture, but somehow blaming it all on pink and princess.

But, about one of her child’s typical toys, she says: “And all over the box and all over the instructions it said, ‘It’s all about me.’”

So, she doesn’t focus on the REAL problem here, but kind of turns it into another feminist rant against traditional little girl stuff. The article is incapable of real focus, because the author is part of the culture she is criticizing.

I must admit that when I read the title, my first thought was, Well, lady, if you don’t want your daughter to grow up into a pink princess, then you’d better transgender her before it’s too late!

I think she really does want the best for her daughter, but doesn’t know exactly what’s wrong with her world.


20 posted on 10/08/2011 9:13:24 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: Mandingo Conservative

I think the subject’s concerns about princesses are mainly silly. The distinguishing characteristic of fairy-tale princesses is that they are *good*, not that they are beautiful. This is less apparent in more recent Disney offerings, but even characters like Jasmine and Tiana are smart, loyal and resourceful, if not traditionally self-sacrificing and obedient. And they are chaste and marriage-oriented.

If there’s an emphasis on sexual solicitation or avarice in the larger marketing world, then it’s up to parents to reject it categorically. “Bratz” and pink-sequined thongs are not part of the traditional princess-y milieu, and need not even cross the path of nice young girls who want to play “Snow White.”


21 posted on 10/08/2011 9:16:21 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Skip the election and let Thomas Sowell choose the next President.)
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To: Mandingo Conservative

The author really over thinks this issue, I believe. She’s simply re-doing the research and hysteria that has come before her. There is nothing new under the sun.

When I was a girl, in the seventies, my mother was very frugal. Most of my playthings came from yard sales. I did play “dress up”, but I could be a magician, a belly dancer, a teacher, or a wizard. I did wear make up with the costumes, but it was for “play” and it was for the theatre of it. I didn’t see it as a feminine thing.

If the parents put the time into their children and frame everything correctly, they can work around any marketing or subliminal messaging that the culture is trying to send out.

My daughter did ballet and jazz for three years. That was a very girly thing for her to do. But, now she lives in blue jeans every day, so that she can rollerblade up and down the street. She’s comfortable with her feminine traits today, because she’s still just a child... but she wants a healthy balance. She wants to get dirty outside and still dance to Taylor Swift when the mood strikes.


22 posted on 10/08/2011 9:17:53 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Real solidarity means coming together for the common good."-Sarah Palin)
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To: ottbmare

Sounds like your daughter is a GRITS (Girls Raised in the South).


23 posted on 10/08/2011 9:21:48 AM PDT by outinyellowdogcountry
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To: Grunthor

Good way to avoid being a 16-year-old single mom. If one is not ready for marriage and motherhood, there’s a lot to be said for associations that aren’t oriented around sex. At 16 (or 18 or 20, or anything short of “ready to settle down) romantic involvements are a lot of work for mainly a lot of hassle ... or a lot of work and you end up with abortion, a baby, and/or a disease.


24 posted on 10/08/2011 9:23:05 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Skip the election and let Thomas Sowell choose the next President.)
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To: mason-dixon
“be useful, not decorative”.

Be exceptional, not limited. Much better advice. Works for boys AND girls.

25 posted on 10/08/2011 9:23:14 AM PDT by Navy Patriot
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To: Squeeky

Yes and the older I get the younger my Prince will be! LOL


26 posted on 10/08/2011 9:24:52 AM PDT by Boardwalk
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To: Cicero

It is also fascinating that neither the author nor the interviewer apparently gives a moment’s thought to the equivalent messages being given to boys.

Which are in many way far more toxic.


27 posted on 10/08/2011 9:25:12 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Mandingo Conservative

I have never been much on princess having know only allegorical ones.

I don’t like pink much except maybe as a swimsuit color for blonde women or in a thong but really much like lace and frilly stuff...it’s one of those things women think is pretty or sexy and then attribute it to men..false..men like other sexiness on women..and colors, apparel or lack of ...it varies but pink is just not it

Pretty...now there you go..I love pretty women..who doesn’t if they aren’t queer..and hell, they do too come to think of it... Since recorded history pretty women have had it made relative to their day. They have always been chosen first, married or bred with successful men and just by sheer luck beat out less fortunate women more often than not in life’s lottery.

It’s like Rush said...feminism is for less attractive gals which likely explains why our women are as a rule hotter than leftist women except maybe in lalaland where ignorance prevails or compels.


28 posted on 10/08/2011 9:25:20 AM PDT by wardaddy (we have entered whatever land here on FR..maybe we will find our bearing again some day)
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To: Mandingo Conservative

Urban Jewish women like Orenstein really have a beef with traditional roles

I think it’s cultural for them. When I lived in Manhattan 30 years ago I noticed pronto these local gals there where a LOT DIFFERENT.


29 posted on 10/08/2011 9:28:42 AM PDT by wardaddy (we have entered whatever land here on FR..maybe we will find our bearing again some day)
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To: Mandingo Conservative

I find it odd that the author conflates the Disney Princess phenomenon with the premature sexualization issue, which is quite real.

I haven’t paid a great deal of attention to the DPs, but I don’t recall them showing much in the way of blatant sexuality.


30 posted on 10/08/2011 9:28:49 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Squeeky
for a few years in her life, every woman gets to be a Princess

Perhaps for most, but certainly not for every.

31 posted on 10/08/2011 9:30:34 AM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: wardaddy

My friends mom was an ex model and as she got older her entire house was done in pink tones and lighting because she looked more attractive in the light. Even their Christmas tree was pink! Pink is a very flattering skin color. That said, if a pretty woman does not age well it must be a real bummer for that woman to look in the mirror!


32 posted on 10/08/2011 9:33:06 AM PDT by Boardwalk
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To: Squeeky

“Well, like my father used to say, for a few years in her life, every woman gets to be a Princess.”

I had never thought about it in that manner, but your father is a wise man, knows the territory well.

hahahha


33 posted on 10/08/2011 9:33:59 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: VictoryGal

“When I was growing up I had British books from the turn of the century, and Kipling, and CS Lewis’ Narnia, that stressed that being a leader or being royal meant to use your power to serve your country, kingdom, or army. “

There are a large number of books from that period of time which should be reprinted. My favorite is “How to be a Man” (1905?).

If I were King, it would be required reading for young men.


34 posted on 10/08/2011 9:37:33 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: Boardwalk

We lived in a house with pink interiors once (a rental). After a while we stopped noticing it, and then we’d have guests and they would say, “Oh my goodness, everything’s PINK!”


35 posted on 10/08/2011 9:43:49 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Skip the election and let Thomas Sowell choose the next President.)
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To: Grunthor

I think in today’s culture many young girls like to hang with homosexuals because it’s boy time with guys who act like girls, fawn over them yet there is no sexual tension.

I had it with mine too...it was a weird period.

I am a pretty obvious social conservative alpha but I was nice to the sissies..they seemed so weak.

I have never determined to my own satisfaction how much queerness is congenital or conditioned..never yet and I pay attention.

For 25 years now still being in child raising to some degree or another for another 15 or so at least, I’ve watched little boys act so obviously sissy and gayish...and the moms coddle the snot out of them....and the gayer they act the dad either tries harder to thwart it or he disengages.

I don’t know...but the rise of the alpha yet coddler mom in the home has contributed to more gay men my gut tells me...many dads today are soft as butter

On girls...worst thing there is that they have been thoroughly trashed out by culture and likely fembots like the mom in this article under the illusion it’s parity with men...they feeling that men are all sluts.

It’s disgusting...I love girls..and appreciate nakedness and the female form and smell..all that stuff that men here know what I mean...it’s instinctive in us...but today..whew...it’s a Kardashian world and it’s very ugly.

I prefer the old days when Playboy was in the nightstand and Penthouse hidden away as more risque and real porn was something you had to seek out if you wanted it.

Women were more vaunted and protected and not exploited so..less easy and more mysterious.

I would venture average teen girl...average now...not some girl whose folks are really in her life..but even some of them..has at least 8-10 sexual partners in her teens now and may well go crazy in college and do stuff her folks best not know..it’s incredibly cheap

In the mid-late 70s..my time..even with Quaaludes and cheap new Cocaine..women were not that tawdry..in high school..you had to work at it and have some basis of commitment

i tell ya..read studies of antiquity..as the women go...goes the culture


36 posted on 10/08/2011 9:45:21 AM PDT by wardaddy (we have entered whatever land here on FR..maybe we will find our bearing again some day)
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To: Post Toasties

It is amazing how many want to venture a negative opinion directly to my 3 year old about this very topic (mostly middle aged never married females as it turns out). Amazing that they have such insight into her. I tell them that we have no issue if she wants to wear a pink dress when she accepts the Nobel for her work in nuclear physics.


37 posted on 10/08/2011 9:47:54 AM PDT by BoringGuy
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To: mason-dixon
My mother (a Math major in college) told me (computer science) to “be useful, not decorative”.

Considering your moniker, and IMHO, the Southren/redneck culture does not suppose the two are incompatible... but rather, is pleased when the two exist together... just sayin.

38 posted on 10/08/2011 9:53:46 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Boardwalk; dixiechick2000

I am something of a woman’s clothes fag hag metaphorically and actually like shopping with my long time and faithful to exclusively wife/mom to the kids

Her pic is on my homepage and you can see she is olive with highlights that have become more blonde with age by design..like a lot of originally dark haired gals as they head into mid 40s

But pink on her is just not her thing..it’s ok as a bikini. Pink is a color that just does something genetic for women..like cobalt blue or robin hood green does for me

some colors do crossover...periwinkle or inky blue..my wife and I both love that hue

I think most men for lingerie or sexy prefer just satin black or white...it’s just a wiring thing but a lot of gals especially young ones..love pink..Victoria’s Secret has made a fortune just off a PINK line

and yes...I know you’re wondering...I do watch Bravo with her and laugh at the silliness..now look at my pic on my page...I don’t look like your average Bravo viewer do I..lol

and yes..they do disgust me..it’s like a car wreck..you can’t help it

if my wife could have two dinner guests it would be Karl Lagerfield and Kate Moss

She is so into she’s doing a blog..and don’t worry I won’t pimp it here and get the humblegunner hellhound on my trail


39 posted on 10/08/2011 9:56:44 AM PDT by wardaddy (we have entered whatever land here on FR..maybe we will find our bearing again some day)
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To: roamer_1; Travis McGee; Squantos; Pelham

Southren?

What no rednecks or white trash in Montana?

I was just there for the 6th or 7th time in my life.

Were I from Montana I’d be careful about tossing those lobs about culture at Southerners or Rednecks...just saying

just a little note...redneck now in the south are mostly wiggers...hard to imagine the Freebird generation spawned such vermin


40 posted on 10/08/2011 10:00:20 AM PDT by wardaddy (we have entered whatever land here on FR..maybe we will find our bearing again some day)
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To: buffaloguy

Might I have a few additional details on this book so I can look it up?


41 posted on 10/08/2011 10:01:10 AM PDT by Jagermonster (TANSTAAFL)
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To: Tax-chick

Or a lesbian step-daughter


42 posted on 10/08/2011 10:03:47 AM PDT by Grunthor (Heartless Bigot for Cain.)
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To: wardaddy
Every little Southern Freebird needs to be nurtured like a lion cub. They are truly our gems.

It might be another lost cause, but maybe they are the ones most worth fighting for.

"Stand up and fight, or kneel down and beg, but don't just crouch there, sniveling and whining."

John Connor, GUNS magazine columnist

43 posted on 10/08/2011 10:06:24 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: wardaddy

“Give me a full ballerina skirt and a hint of saloon and I’m on board.” haha The Devil Wears Prada.


44 posted on 10/08/2011 10:14:41 AM PDT by Boardwalk
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To: outinyellowdogcountry
Sounds like your daughter is a GRITS (Girls Raised in the South).

Yes, she is! Like any well-brought-up young Southern lady, she is sweet, pretty, charming, and terrifyingly tough. And she is more conservative than Ann Coulter, bless her. Do not cross her. In a bad situation she has a mouth on her that can make a Marine drill sergeant back away in reverent horror. I could tell you stories...

45 posted on 10/08/2011 10:21:14 AM PDT by ottbmare (off-the-track Thoroughbred mare)
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To: Jagermonster

I will see if I can find it and forward the information to you. I doubt that it is still in print.


46 posted on 10/08/2011 10:23:56 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: VictoryGal
...being a leader or being royal meant to use your power to serve your country, kingdom, or army. Being served was ONLY so you could concentrate on wielding your power and intellect to serve and lead.

Now that is a very good thought, and one we need to remember. I will email it to my daughter, who is busy conquering the multiverse this afternoon.

47 posted on 10/08/2011 10:36:40 AM PDT by ottbmare (off-the-track Thoroughbred mare)
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To: Mandingo Conservative

I’ve always been a girly girl and love pink today more than ever before at 45. Let’s see, film director, producer, writer, novelist, business owner, corporate director, operations manager, black belt in karate, dancer, marathon runner, loves to lift weights and cycle, loves and owns fine cars, singer, pianist, guitar player, can change the oil in my own car and shoot long guns and pistols . . . pretty in pink, loving Feathers & Fur, and being a girly girl didn’t stop me from thriving. ;-).


48 posted on 10/08/2011 10:49:58 AM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: mason-dixon

My granddaughter wants everything pink, cowboy boots, tshirts, even a pink rifle to shoot with her grandfather! However she is a blonde-blue-eyed princess. She’s only in first grade, leave the kids alone, quit psychoanalyzing them


49 posted on 10/08/2011 11:29:33 AM PDT by nobamanomore
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To: Mandingo Conservative

Maybe she should have named her daughter Bobby Jo or something instead of Daisy.


50 posted on 10/08/2011 11:52:37 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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