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Any Freepers an expert in Mayan artifacts?

Posted on 10/09/2011 7:15:04 PM PDT by big bad easter bunny

I have come across a piece which looks like a Mayan death mask, anyone know much about this type of possible artifact?


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: antiquesroadshow; godsgravesglyphs; mayans
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1 posted on 10/09/2011 7:15:07 PM PDT by big bad easter bunny
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To: SunkenCiv

ping


2 posted on 10/09/2011 7:17:26 PM PDT by tutstar
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To: big bad easter bunny

Well, based on your picture it appears to be a pure white mask on a snowy background, so it must be the Swedish Mayans... ;)


3 posted on 10/09/2011 7:18:23 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012 -- the man we need at the time we need him)
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To: big bad easter bunny; SunkenCiv
Maybe sunkenciv can enlist his extensive family of strange informed FReepers.
4 posted on 10/09/2011 7:18:24 PM PDT by decimon
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To: freedumb2003

it’s for sale on e-bay

http://www.ebay.com/itm/200661201960?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649


5 posted on 10/09/2011 7:23:20 PM PDT by big bad easter bunny (Cain 2012)
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To: big bad easter bunny

Would love to see it, how about a picture. I am also interested as the family has owned a jade mask for generations.


6 posted on 10/09/2011 7:23:45 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: big bad easter bunny

You know where this is going.

TTIUWOP


7 posted on 10/09/2011 7:24:12 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: American in Israel

I did some searching and I can’t find anything like it.


8 posted on 10/09/2011 7:25:31 PM PDT by big bad easter bunny (Cain 2012)
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To: big bad easter bunny

Nice, thanks. Hope you get a pretty penny.


9 posted on 10/09/2011 7:25:54 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: American in Israel

What do you think? Could it be real?


10 posted on 10/09/2011 7:27:03 PM PDT by big bad easter bunny (Cain 2012)
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To: mnehring

11 posted on 10/09/2011 7:27:40 PM PDT by Lockbar (March toward the sound of the guns.)
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To: big bad easter bunny

Interesting. I have no idea how to even begin to tell if something like that is real or not but I do know that you can go down to the mercados in Mexico and see a lot of stuff like this being sold to tourists.


12 posted on 10/09/2011 7:28:59 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Lockbar

Sorry, posted a link to it, just have a hard time believing it could be real; http://www.ebay.com/itm/200661201960?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649


13 posted on 10/09/2011 7:30:07 PM PDT by big bad easter bunny (Cain 2012)
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To: big bad easter bunny

Have you been to Mexico? Looks like tourist stuff.

Forgive me.


14 posted on 10/09/2011 7:31:10 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers

I have, that’s why I was looking for a freeper who is into this kind of stuff.


15 posted on 10/09/2011 7:32:31 PM PDT by big bad easter bunny (Cain 2012)
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To: Lockbar
Lots of messo-american art has been faked for years. Why would somebody put up such a low starting bid? If real, its worth thousands $$$. Now that it has gotten special attention some central american government will want it back as a stolen national treasure, and will call the State Dept. and have it confiscated.
16 posted on 10/09/2011 7:33:32 PM PDT by Lockbar (March toward the sound of the guns.)
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To: decimon; big bad easter bunny; SunkenCiv

Looks like an ancient Obama death mask. Not Mayan. Half Olmec. Half something else.


17 posted on 10/09/2011 7:34:16 PM PDT by bigheadfred (But alas)
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To: big bad easter bunny
Was this it?


18 posted on 10/09/2011 7:34:55 PM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: big bad easter bunny

I think you should Mayan your own business.


19 posted on 10/09/2011 7:35:40 PM PDT by Larry Lucido ("#Occupy America" is a great success! I got mail today addressed to "Occupant"!)
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To: LostInBayport

Who’s the ugly bastard with the lipstick?


20 posted on 10/09/2011 7:37:59 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: big bad easter bunny

I am not an expert.

But I have and do collect Mexican art although no ancient art. I have collected for almost 50 years. All of my furniture has benn brought up from Mexico [mostly Zacatecas], and I collect Mexican fine art [modern].

I have collect Mexican folk art since a teenager and was the manager of a large Mexican folk art store.

I buy old Mexican masks on eBay that cost more than your old “death mask”.


21 posted on 10/09/2011 7:38:48 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Lockbar

That’s exactly what I was afraid of!


22 posted on 10/09/2011 7:39:09 PM PDT by big bad easter bunny (Cain 2012)
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To: big bad easter bunny

Dont know anything about it, it is real nice, that I can tell you.


23 posted on 10/09/2011 7:39:52 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Lockbar

Haha ...


24 posted on 10/09/2011 7:40:09 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: big bad easter bunny

Looks vaguely Olmecan because of the mouth design (the famous jaguar mouth), but even there it is loose and uneven. Really hard to say with anything based on a photo and not an experts opinion.


25 posted on 10/09/2011 7:43:08 PM PDT by februus
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

I think it is Ed Asner, but I can’t be sure!


26 posted on 10/09/2011 7:44:40 PM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: LostInBayport
I'm confused. I thought Medusa was supposed to turn the
OTHER person to stone.
27 posted on 10/09/2011 7:47:05 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: big bad easter bunny

7” high, 5.5” wide? Awfully tiny people. The low starting bid, the incredibly low shipping price, and the lack of demonstrated knowledge about the item leads me to strongly urge staying as far away from it as possible, unless you personally really like it for a piece of decorative art.


28 posted on 10/09/2011 7:47:57 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: big bad easter bunny
I'm no expert but I do some collecting of Mayan and Mayan style stuff. The mask does not look Mayan but it does resemble a lot of Olmec work.


29 posted on 10/09/2011 7:48:48 PM PDT by Tucsonican
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To: big bad easter bunny; tutstar; decimon; bigheadfred

Check for a pulse. No pulse? Check for eye holes. Eye holes? Death mask. ;’)

Given the dimensions, it can’t be a death mask. It’s probably 20th century, and manufactured in the Orient. Of course, I have no credentials or expertise in Mayan art, so...

Note the detail work on authentic Precolumbian artifacts (some of these examples, for instance):

http://www.google.com/images?q=guatemalan+jade&sa=X&oi=image_result_group


30 posted on 10/09/2011 7:50:06 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: LostInBayport

I was thinking Andy Rooney, but the eyebrows are all wrong.


31 posted on 10/09/2011 7:50:39 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: CrazyIvan

Someone should bring it down to Zuccotti Park. Either it would clear the place out or they’d start bringing offerings to it.


32 posted on 10/09/2011 7:53:09 PM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER; LostInBayport
I was thinking Andy Rooney, but the eyebrows are all wrong.

But you are in the right time zone.

33 posted on 10/09/2011 7:55:41 PM PDT by bigheadfred (But alas)
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To: Tucsonican; big bad easter bunny

And according to this museum website, there's a similar Olmec piece, also about 7" high, with similar indents as well, also made out of jadeite.

So, could indeed be a valid artifact, but still all the warning bells are going off.

34 posted on 10/09/2011 7:55:58 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: BunnySlippers

lived and collected in mayan mexico near the guatemalan border for almost twenty years...provenance is everything...if you don’t know anything about its origins i would suspect this mask is likely a reproduction. The museum-quality jade masks are a much finer grade and brighter color than this stone...skilled craftsmen in oaxaca have been “discovering” these in “tombs” near monte alban for a century and strangely, they often come from diverse cultures from aztec to mayan!


35 posted on 10/09/2011 7:56:12 PM PDT by dunblak
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To: BunnySlippers

lived and collected in mayan mexico near the guatemalan border for almost twenty years...provenance is everything...if you don’t know anything about its origins i would suspect this mask is likely a reproduction. The museum-quality jade masks are a much finer grade and brighter color than this stone...skilled craftsmen in oaxaca have been “discovering” these in “tombs” near monte alban for a century and strangely, they often come from diverse cultures from aztec to mayan!


36 posted on 10/09/2011 7:56:32 PM PDT by dunblak
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To: freedumb2003

LOL!


37 posted on 10/09/2011 7:56:32 PM PDT by Spunky (Sarah Palin on Polls "Poles are for Strippers and Cross Country Skiers")
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To: BunnySlippers

lived and collected in mayan mexico near the guatemalan border for almost twenty years...provenance is everything...if you don’t know anything about its origins i would suspect this mask is likely a reproduction. The museum-quality jade masks are a much finer grade and brighter color than this stone...skilled craftsmen in oaxaca have been “discovering” these in “tombs” near monte alban for a century and strangely, they often come from diverse cultures from aztec to mayan!


38 posted on 10/09/2011 7:56:46 PM PDT by dunblak
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To: freedumb2003

LOL!


39 posted on 10/09/2011 7:56:50 PM PDT by Spunky (Sarah Palin on Polls "Poles are for Strippers and Cross Country Skiers")
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To: Tucsonican

Oooh, good catch!

http://www.google.com/images?q=olmec+jade&sa=X&oi=image_result_group


40 posted on 10/09/2011 7:59:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Tucsonican

Oooh, good catch!

http://www.google.com/images?q=olmec+jade&sa=X&oi=image_result_group


41 posted on 10/09/2011 7:59:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv; big bad easter bunny; tutstar; decimon
This Jade Guatemalan mask is seven inches by five and a half inches, not sure how old it is exactly but at least 100 years old. Don't really know much about it, could be Mayan. Weighs about 4 pounds.

Yeah, those Mayan last century really let the quality slide. Unless, of course, they wanted it to resemble a cheap Chinese knockoff to try to recapture some market share.

42 posted on 10/09/2011 8:01:55 PM PDT by bigheadfred (But alas)
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To: kingu; big bad easter bunny

Another concern is, if it were authentic, has it been in private hands (with documented provenance) longer than the current regime of international antiquities laws?


43 posted on 10/09/2011 8:02:41 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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44 posted on 10/09/2011 8:04:58 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Obama got mostly Ds and Fs all through college and law school. Keep repeating it.....)
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45 posted on 10/09/2011 8:06:48 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Obama got mostly Ds and Fs all through college and law school. Keep repeating it.....)
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To: big bad easter bunny

You are bringing an invitation for curses into your home by buying artifacts like that.


46 posted on 10/09/2011 8:07:43 PM PDT by stars & stripes forever ( Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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47 posted on 10/09/2011 8:08:18 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Obama got mostly Ds and Fs all through college and law school. Keep repeating it.....)
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48 posted on 10/09/2011 8:09:03 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Obama got mostly Ds and Fs all through college and law school. Keep repeating it.....)
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49 posted on 10/09/2011 8:10:04 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Obama got mostly Ds and Fs all through college and law school. Keep repeating it.....)
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50 posted on 10/09/2011 8:10:39 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Obama got mostly Ds and Fs all through college and law school. Keep repeating it.....)
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