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Holder Ridge Defenses Overrun. Holder isolated in his bunker, awaiting the coup de grāce.(gunwalker)
Sipsey Street Irregulars ^ | 10 October, 2011 | Mike Vanderboegh

Posted on 10/10/2011 5:02:46 PM PDT by marktwain

Below is the letter that notifies Holder that his defenses have been overrun. From Becca Watkins at the Issa Committee I just received this transcript of a letter by Congressman Issa responding to Holder's whiny jeremiad of last Friday.

The language in this letter, for DC, is "unprecedented," according to one DC source I just read it to over the phone. It announces that the battle for Holder Ridge is over, no matter what desperate forced optimism the White House may yet cling to.

Another source, one with whom I made a $50 bet that Holder would be out of office by Christmas, now admits that he may not last until Thanksgiving. "Feldmarschall Holder ist kaput!" he laughed. He is not disconsolate about the prospect of losing the fifty bucks.

The press release from Becca Watkins --

Issa to Holder: “You Own Fast and Furious”

WASHINGTON, D.C. – House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa today sent a letter to U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder responding to his letter of October 7. The text of Chairman Issa’s letter to Attorney General Holder is below:

Dear Attorney General Holder:

From the beginning of the congressional investigation into Operation Fast and Furious, the Department of Justice has offered a roving set of ever-changing explanations to justify its involvement in this reckless and deadly program. These defenses have been aimed at undermining the investigation. From the start, the Department insisted that no wrongdoing had occurred and asked Senator Grassley and me to defer our oversight responsibilities over its concerns about our purported interference with its ongoing criminal investigations. Additionally, the Department steadfastly insisted that gunwalking did not occur.

Once documentary and testimonial evidence strongly contradicted these claims, the Department attempted to limit the fallout from Fast and Furious to the Phoenix Field Division of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF). When that effort also proved unsuccessful, the Department next argued that Fast and Furious resided only within ATF itself, before eventually also assigning blame to the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Arizona. All of these efforts were designed to circle the wagons around DOJ and its political appointees.

To that end, just last month, you claimed that Fast and Furious did not reach the upper levels of the Justice Department. Documents discovered through the course of the investigation, however, have proved each and every one of these claims advanced by the Department to be untrue. It appears your latest defense has reached a new low. Incredibly, in your letter from Friday you now claim that you were unaware of Fast and Furious because your staff failed to inform you of information contained in memos that were specifically addressed to you. At best, this indicates negligence and incompetence in your duties as Attorney General. At worst, it places your credibility into serious doubt.

Following the Committee’s issuance of a subpoena over six months ago, I strongly believed that the Department would fully cooperate with Congress and support this investigation with all the means at its disposal. The American people deserve no less. Unfortunately, the Department’s cooperation to date has been minimal. Hundreds of pages of documents that have been produced to my Committee are duplicative, and hundreds more contain substantial redactions, rendering them virtually worthless. The Department has actively engaged in retaliation against multiple whistleblowers, and has, on numerous occasions, attempted to disseminate false and misleading information to the press in an attempt to discredit this investigation.

Your letter dated October 7 is deeply disappointing. Instead of pledging all necessary resources to assist the congressional investigation in discovering the truth behind the fundamentally flawed Operation Fast and Furious, your letter instead did little but obfuscate, shift blame, berate, and attempt to change the topic away from the Department’s responsibility in the creation, implementation, and authorization of this reckless program. You claim that, after months of silence, you “must now address these issues” over Fast and Furious because of the harmful discourse of the past few days. Yet, the only major development of these past few days has been the release of multiple documents showing that you and your senior staff had been briefed, on numerous occasions, about Fast and Furious.

The Mexican Cartels

A month after you became Attorney General, you spoke of the danger of the Mexican drug cartels, and the Sinaloa cartel in particular. The cartels, you said, “are lucrative, they are violent, and they are operated with stunning planning and precision.” You promised that under your leadership “these cartels will be destroyed.” You vowed that the Department of Justice would “continue to work with [its] counterparts in Mexico, through information sharing, training and mutual cooperation to jointly fight these cartels, both in Mexico and the United States.”

Under your leadership, however, Operation Fast and Furious has proven these promises hollow. According to one agent, Operation Fast and Furious “armed the cartel. It is disgusting.” Fast and Furious simply served as a convenient means for dangerous cartels to acquire upwards of 2,000 assault-style weapons. On top of that, the Government of Mexico was not informed about Fast and Furious. In fact, DOJ and ATF officials actively engaged in hiding information about Fast and Furious from not only Mexican officials, but also U.S. law enforcement officials operating in Mexico for fear that they would inform their Mexican counterparts. This strategy is inapposite and contradicts the promises you made to the American people.

Your September 7, 2011 Statement

On September 7, 2011, you said that “[t]he notion that [Fast and Furious] reaches into the upper levels of the Justice Department is something that at this point I don't think is supported by the facts and I think once we examine it and once the facts are revealed we'll see that's not the case.” Unfortunately, the facts directly contradict this statement.

Lanny Breuer, the Assistant Attorney General for the Criminal Division, clearly a member of the Department’s senior leadership, knew about Fast and Furious as early as March 2010. In fact, I have learned that the amount of detail shared with Breuer’s top deputies about Fast and Furious is simply astounding.

For example, Manuel Celis-Acosta was the “biggest fish” of the straw purchasing ring in Phoenix. From the time the investigation started in September 2009 until March 15, 2010, Manuel Celis-Acosta acquired at least 852 firearms valued at around $500,000 through straw purchasers. Yet in 2009, Celis-Acosta reported an Arizona taxable income of only $15,475. Between September 2009 and late January 2010, 139 of these firearms were recovered, 81 in Mexico alone. Some of these firearms were recovered less than 24 hours after they were bought.

This information, and hundreds of pages worth of additional information, was included in highly detailed wiretap applications sent for authorization to Breuer’s top deputies. It is my understanding, the Department applied to the United States District Court for the District of Arizona for numerous wire taps from March 2010 to July 2010. These wire tap applications were reviewed and approved by several Deputy Assistant Attorney Generals, including Kenneth A. Blanco, John C. Keeney, and Jason M. Weinstein. Breuer’s top deputies approved these wiretap applications to be used against individuals associated with the known drug cartels. As I understand it, the wire tap applications contain rich detail of the reckless operational tactics being employed by your agents in Phoenix. Although Breuer and his top deputies were informed of the operational details and tactics of Fast and Furious, they did nothing to stop the program. In fact, on a trip to Mexico Breuer trumpeted Fast and Furious as a promising investigation.

Gary Grindler, the then-Deputy Attorney General and currently your Chief of Staff, received an extremely detailed briefing on Operation Fast and Furious on March 12, 2010. In this briefing, Grindler learned such minutiae as the number of times that Uriel Patino, a straw purchaser on food stamps who ultimately acquired 720 firearms, went in to a cooperating gun store and the amount of guns that he had bought. When former Acting ATF Director Ken Melson, a career federal prosecutor, learned similar information, he became sick to his stomach:

I had pulled out all Patino's -- and ROIs is, I'm sorry, report of investigation -- and you know, my stomach being in knots reading the number of times he went in and the amount of guns that he bought. Transcribed interview of Acting ATF Director Kenneth Melson at 42.

At the time of his briefing in March of last year, Grindler knew that Patino had purchased 313 weapons and paid for all of them in cash. Unlike Melson, Grindler clearly saw nothing wrong with this. If Grindler had had the sense to shut this investigation down right then, he could have prevented the purchase of an additional 407 weapons by Patino alone. Instead, Grindler did nothing to stop the program.

Following this briefing, it is clear that Grindler did one of two things. Either, he alerted you to the name and operational details of Fast and Furious, in which case your May 3, 2011 testimony in front of Congress was false; or, he failed to inform you of the name and the operational details of Fast and Furious, in which case Grindler engaged in gross dereliction of his duties as Acting Deputy Attorney General. It is fair to infer from the fact that Grindler remains as your Chief of Staff that he did not engage in gross dereliction of his duties and told you about the program as far back as March of 2010.

In the summer of 2010, at the latest, you were undoubtedly informed about Fast and Furious. On at least five occasions you were told of the connection between Fast and Furious and a specific Mexican cartel – the very cartel that you had vowed to destroy. You were informed that Manuel Celis-Acosta and his straw purchasers were responsible for the purchase of 1,500 firearms that were then supplied to Mexican drug trafficking cartels. Yet, you did nothing to stop this program.

You failed to own up to your responsibility to safeguard the American public by hiding behind “[a]ttorneys in [your] office and the Office of the Deputy Attorney General,” who you now claim did not bring this information to your attention. Holder Letter, supra note 1. As a result of your failure to act on these memos sent to you, nearly 500 additional firearms were purchased under Fast and Furious.

The facts simply do not support any claim that Fast and Furious did not reach the highest levels of the Justice Department. Actually, Fast and Furious did reach the ultimate authority in the Department – you.

Your May 3, 2011 Statement

On May 3, 2011, I asked you directly when you first knew about the operation known as Fast and Furious. You responded directly, and to the point, that you weren’t “sure of the exact date, but [you] probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks.” This statement, made before Congress, has proven to be patently untrue. Documents released by the Department just last week showed that you received at least seven memos about Fast and Furious starting as early as July 2010.

In your letter Friday, you blamed your staff for failing to inform you about Operation Fast and Furious when they reviewed the memos sent to you last summer. Your staff, therefore, was certainly aware of Fast and Furious over a year ago. Lanny Breuer was aware of Fast and Furious as early as March 2010, and Gary Grindler was also aware of Fast and Furious as early as March 2010. Given this frequency of high level involvement with Fast and Furious as much as a year prior to your May 3, 2011 testimony, it simply is not believable that you were not briefed on Fast and Furious until a few weeks before your testimony. At the very least, you should have known about Fast and Furious well before then. The current paper trail, which will only grow more robust as additional documents are discovered, creates the strong perception that your statement in front of Congress was less than truthful.

The February 4, 2011 Letter

Perhaps the most disturbing aspect of this intransigence is that the Department of Justice has been lying to Congress ever since the inquiry into Fast and Furious began. On February 4, 2011, Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich wrote that “ATF makes every effort to interdict weapons that have been purchased illegally and prevent their transport into Mexico.” This letter, vetted by both the senior ranks of ATF as well as the Office of the Deputy Attorney General, is a flat-out lie.

As we understand it, in March 2010, top deputies to Lanny Breuer were informed that law enforcement officers intercepted calls that demonstrated that Manuel Celis-Acosta was conspiring to purchase and transport firearms for the purpose of trafficking the firearms from the United States into Mexico. Not only was ATF aware of this information, but so was the Drug Enforcement Administration and the Federal Bureau of Investigation. This information was shared with the Criminal Division. All of these organizations are components of the Department of Justice, and they were all aware of the illegal purchase of firearms and their eventual transportation into Mexico.

These firearms were not interdicted. They were not stopped. Your agents allowed these firearms purchases to continue, sometimes even monitoring them in person, and within days some of these weapons were being recovered in Mexico. Despite widespread knowledge within its senior ranks that this practice was occurring, when asked on numerous occasions about the veracity of this letter, the Department has shockingly continued to stand by its false statement of February 4, 2011.

Mr. Attorney General, you have made numerous statements about Fast and Furious that have eventually been proven to be untrue. Your lack of trustworthiness while speaking about Fast and Furious has called into question your overall credibility as Attorney General. The time for deflecting blame and obstructing our investigation is over. The time has come for you to come clean to the American public about what you knew about Fast and Furious, when you knew it, and who is going to be held accountable for failing to shut down a program that has already had deadly consequences, and will likely cause more casualties for years to come.

Operation Fast and Furious was the Department’s most significant gun trafficking case. It related to two of your major initiatives – destroying the Mexican cartels and reducing gun violence on both sides of the border. On your watch, it went spectacularly wrong. Whether you realize yet or not, you own Fast and Furious. It is your responsibility.

Sincerely, Darrell Issa Chairman



TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; History; Politics
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; castaway; cia; clinton; dea; dhs; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; hillary; hillaryclinton; holder; ice; issa; obama; statedept
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Excellent letter from Issa. A very good start.
1 posted on 10/10/2011 5:02:51 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: MestaMachine

Gunwalker ping.


2 posted on 10/10/2011 5:03:46 PM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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3 posted on 10/10/2011 5:04:46 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: marktwain

Encouraging that the GOP is not afraid of going after a Black Democrat

I want to see how they respond when Holder and or Obama play the Race Card


4 posted on 10/10/2011 5:09:18 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: marktwain

You have to wonder who is keeping the lid on the little matter of this being a declaration of war by the BATFE on Mexico?


5 posted on 10/10/2011 5:10:33 PM PDT by Clay Moore (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of a fool to the left. Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: marktwain

He has used that. -I didn’t read the details for a long time, on many issues.


6 posted on 10/10/2011 5:11:33 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: marktwain

“”Excellent letter from Issa. A very good start.””

I agree. I read it today and thought that Issa had to be working on this over the weekend to have it ready by today since so much was dumped only on Friday night. I thought it was very good.

Did you happen (or any other freeper) to see Hannity’s Special Report over the weekend about Fast and Furious? When Sean said Holder was lying and asked Issa if he agreed, he said something which passed for diplomacy and I can’t remember his exact words. They were something about “pushing the limits on candor” and when Sean repeated those words, Issa had a big smile. I can’t say I’ve ever seen the man smile before but it was super.

I hope the rest of us have a really big smile in the not too distant future when we see Holder marched off to the hoosegow....Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.

Michelle Malkin was great on the subject too on that show. She’s not afraid to tell it like it is - Holder’s always been known as trouble and should never have gotten the AG job. We all know that but he got away with so much under Clinton, I guess he thinks he’s still going to be protected.

Can’t wait to see him GO!!!!!


7 posted on 10/10/2011 5:14:25 PM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: marktwain

I also read Holder’s letter to Issa and the Committee over the weekend. I had to laugh. Holder said of the many, many memos received in his office daily, most of them were only one sentence or one paragraph long - YET he didn’t and couldn’t read them all!!!! COULDN’T? Why? Does he have a reading problem?

I ask myself just what is priority to this guy? Keeping blacks from being prosecuted for black on white crime? Seeing to it AZ or AL don’t discriminate against illegals.
Making sure blacks intimidate white voters at the voting booths?

Inquiring minds want to know!!!!


8 posted on 10/10/2011 5:19:09 PM PDT by Thank You Rush
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Holder Ridge Defenses Overrun. Holder isolated in his bunker, awaiting the coup de grâce.(gunwalker)

The Issa letter printed in full on FR for posterity ping....


9 posted on 10/10/2011 5:21:07 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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The Issa letter printed in full on FR for posterity ping....


10 posted on 10/10/2011 5:24:05 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: marktwain

CBS provided a GREAT popularizing platform, but in fact about 90% of the inglorious, early heavy-lifting on F&F et al has been by the Sipsey Street Irregulars.

AMAZING REPORTING —lots and lots of digging and drudgery.


11 posted on 10/10/2011 5:26:20 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: marktwain

This letter actually is as advertised: unprecedented. I have never seen an intra-government communication worded like this.

I also get the impression that Issa is two moves ahead of DOJ. Holder is in a rapidly deteriorating situation.


12 posted on 10/10/2011 5:26:59 PM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: marktwain

If there were any honor left in this Administration there would be lots of people going into their offices with a pistol and a single round of ammunition.


13 posted on 10/10/2011 5:27:11 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
14 posted on 10/10/2011 5:27:51 PM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: marktwain
Issa has a kind of background that would indicate a lot of street savvy. In and out of trouble with the law in his youth, he nevertheless was smart and able enough to become a successful Army officer and later to make hundreds of millions of dollars in a legitimate auto security business. I think the shiney-suited Obamanoid street pimps may have met their match with this guy.
15 posted on 10/10/2011 5:34:58 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: marktwain

“...it is clear that Grindler did one of two things.

Either, he alerted you to the name and operational details of Fast and Furious, in which case your May 3, 2011 testimony in front of Congress was false;

or, he failed to inform you of the name and the operational details of Fast and Furious, in which case Grindler engaged in gross dereliction of his duties as Acting Deputy Attorney General.

It is fair to infer from the fact that Grindler remains as your Chief of Staff that he did not engage in gross dereliction of his duties and told you about the program as far back as March of 2010...”
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Translation: You, sir, are a liar.


16 posted on 10/10/2011 5:36:12 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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Thanks marktwain.
Issa to Holder: "You Own Fast and Furious"

17 posted on 10/10/2011 5:37:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: marktwain

I worry immensely that Holder resignation, which is just a matter of days (if not hours) away, is going to be the signal for the MSM to start piling on with the refrain “OK, we you got him, now shut up and move on!”

I don’t want Holder, I want Obama! I don’t want people to say, “Well, Holder quit, so it’s all over”.

We need to make it very clear that this is NOT the end of the investigation — it’s the beginning. We are not going to stop until the slimy snake is pulled completely out of the hole into the light of day.


18 posted on 10/10/2011 5:38:43 PM PDT by Ronin (If we were serious about using the death penalty as a deterrent, we would bring back public hangings)
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To: marktwain

A good ending is a long federal jail term for Holder.

Holder says he won’t prosecute “his people” but we’re going to prosecute HIM.


19 posted on 10/10/2011 5:39:42 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: marktwain

GUNS WALKED

HOLDER LIED

AMERICANS DIED


20 posted on 10/10/2011 5:40:24 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Ronin

I agree:

I WANT ***OBAMA****.

Holder didn’t act on orders?

**** PLEAZE...!


21 posted on 10/10/2011 5:41:48 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Ronin

I disagree.

Any attempt to remove Baraq from office before Jan 013 is going to be a huge problem.

The MSM will make him a martyr. Even more than they did BJ Clinton.

The right approach is to defeat Baraq Nov 2012 and deport Baraq Jan 2013. I think he has a great future as President of Kenya someday.


22 posted on 10/10/2011 5:43:38 PM PDT by nascarnation (DEFEAT BARAQ 2012 DEPORT BARAQ 2013)
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To: marktwain

I hope Issa has someone to start his car for him...I wouldn’t put it past this bunch to crash a whole plane full of people just to get Issa.


23 posted on 10/10/2011 5:44:36 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty
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To: marktwain
Attorney General Holder's "Fast and Furious" Mexican gun running/drug running operation has proven to be the most outrageous example yet that these black politicians at the top of the chain feel they are completely covered by political correctness and the all-important "race card". It won't work this time. Holder is toast. And once he gets the boot or resigns, here's hoping his replacemnt will reopen that egregious New Black Panther event in which they intimidated white voters to leave the premises and not vote. Obama's thuggery and outward dislike for "those rich white people", (his pastor Jeremiah Wright's quote), and for all that America stands for. The Democrats won't survive the 2012 election. But most unfortunately, the most qualified conservatives will not be nominated in the Republican primary, and at best all we'll get is another George W Bush type of moderate.

Imagine if the "Obama Care" prototype originator, Mitt Romney gets the nomination? Or Herman Cain, who has TWICE recently played the race card against truly innocent statements made by his opponents gets the nod? He would be infinitely better than Obama, but he, like Obama, still carries the "race chip" on his shoulder. He won't be a healer of America either. He may improve the economy some, but I doubt he'll work hard to reverse Obamacare and the other racial divides that Obama has created and/or enhanced.

If Romney, Cain and Perry are the best the Republican Party has to bring America back to her greatness, it's time to throw in the towel. Perry ain't got the energy, passion or ability. Romney is a lifetime political hack who looks, talks, and even moves like a stiff robot. His Romneycare and liberal Massachusetts style of governorship will do nothing to restore America. Herman Cain is bright, sharp, witty and knows how to make money, but so do thousands of other Americans. I've yet to hear him talk about social conservatism and the restoration of former American greatness.

Will "white guilt" strike again in yet another attempt to mollify their public school and media inculcated guilt? Donald Trump and Sarah Palin should have gotten into the debates, it would have been very interesting to see how they would have done against the other, what they would have said, and revealed how they feel inside about restoring American VALUES, and exactly WHAT they feel needs to be restored. As it is, it's the same old $#!t that's it's been since 1988. Vote for the least incompetent of two incompetent candidates. There's no superior, Reagan-like leadership anywhere to be found in this current heap of mediocre, moderate Republicans.

24 posted on 10/10/2011 5:46:08 PM PDT by jiminycricket000
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To: marktwain
Just the facts, ma'am. Holder is done. and when he goes, 0bama’s wall collapses as well. Holder should be charged.

WORST ADMINISTRATION EVER

25 posted on 10/10/2011 5:48:47 PM PDT by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: Thank You Rush
From Fast And Furious And Ugly

Scandal: The attorney general once again pleads ignorance,... After Eric Holder was involved in the pardoning of international fugitive Marc Rich, he confessed to not doing a thorough check of Rich's history and background.

When he criticized Arizona's immigration law, SB1070, he admitted to not even reading the law. Now, with dead bodies and illegal weapons piled up high in Fast and Furious, Holder says he didn't read the memos.

26 posted on 10/10/2011 5:55:48 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: marktwain
I'm usually pretty cautious about predictions in this sort of highly volatile political matter but I do think Holder is done. This isn't Watergate, it isn't a stain on a blue dress, people are actually dead on this one.

I do see a Presidential pardon in the wings, which will bring the media to consider Scooter Libby, who, it is to be remembered, was not pardoned by G.W. Bush. He was convicted and only that portion of his sentence that represented actual prison time was commuted. The rest of it stood, including disbarment, supervised release, and community service. I mention that here because it is nearly certain to be misrepresented by the Associated Press, the NY Times, Washington Post, CNN, and the rest of the usual suspects. That I do predict with considerable confidence.

27 posted on 10/10/2011 5:58:45 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: marktwain

Ouch, That’s gonna leave a mark!

Great Post! Great News!
JMHO, This should be posted in “Breaking News”. I think this is Hugh, and Series.
I would love to see Holder in a large stone building surrounded by walls and fencing, where he can commiserate with “his people” (criminals, not blacks)!


28 posted on 10/10/2011 5:59:57 PM PDT by rikkir (Political office should be a sacrifice, not a reward. Do your service and GO HOME!)
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To: marktwain

Ping for myself for later.


29 posted on 10/10/2011 6:00:05 PM PDT by Big Giant Head (Two years no AV, no viruses, computer runs great!)
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To: marktwain
On September 7, 2011, you said that “[t]he notion that [Fast and Furious] reaches into the upper levels of the Justice Department is something that at this point I don't think is supported by the facts and I think once we examine it and once the facts are revealed we'll see that's not the case.” Unfortunately, the facts directly contradict this statement.

If you parse Holder's statement carefully, it's a very Clintonesque sentence. I admire the lawyer he had write it.

Notice that he does not say "the upper levels of the DOJ were not involved in Fast and Furious". He's effectively really saying "I don't think you will be able to find enough evidence, provable in court, that would convince a jury that Fast and Furious was directed by me and Obama".

30 posted on 10/10/2011 6:02:29 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: marktwain
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31 posted on 10/10/2011 6:02:59 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (I can take tomorrow, spend it all today. Who can take your income, tax it all away. Obama Man can. :)
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To: Thank You Rush
YET he didn’t and couldn’t read them all!!!! COULDN’T? Why? Does he have a reading problem?

He's spending all his time defending punks intimidating voters - oh, sorry... black punks intimidating voters - and the like.

32 posted on 10/10/2011 6:03:22 PM PDT by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party Of No! No Socialism - No Fascism - Nobama - No Way!)
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To: marktwain
Pretty much every goal that recent Democrat Administrations highly publicize at the start of their tenure seem to be a smoke screen and telegraphing of the intention to do the exact opposite of what they claim.

The Clinton Administration loudly boasted, out of the blue, for no particular reason that the would be “the most Ethical Administration in History”. History now shows that Clinton recruited cronies to his Administration that were some of the most unethical and outright criminal ever to occupy the white House and teh Clinton Administration as a whole is now considered to be the most unethical Administration in modern times. The very term “The Most Ethical Administration In History” is used as sarcastic, derisive reference to the many scandals and stories of corruption that were brewing during the Clinton Years

The Obama Administration Loudly boasted that it would be the “The Most Transparent Administration in History”. I don't think anyone needs to be reminded how that whole transparency thing has worked out with this Administration whose signature trademark is stone walling, cover up and a bizarre refusal to release even the most trivial and basic back round information and documentation On Obama personally.

Now we have Holder Boasting he was going to “take down the Drug Cartels” when in fact he has been deliberately and systematically diverting a huge amount of the resources of the Department of Justice from fighting the Cartels to actively arming them with enough US supplied weapons to arm infantry Battalion.

He even went to the trouble of allocating 10 million dollars of stimulus money to purchase the weapons for the Cartels.

Ironically, the vast majority of these trafficked weapons purchased with money intended to stimulate the economy and provide jobs for out of work Americans were actually manufactured in factories located in old Soviet Block countries such as Bulgaria, Romania ,Yugoslavia, and Russia.

It's hard to see how providing foreign made weapons to Mexican Drug Cartels could provide economic stimulus to America and provide much needed jobs to American workers so the stimulus money was pretty much misappropriated and misallocated to an unapproved use not intended by Congress in addition to simply being used to fund ill advised and probably illegal criminal misconduct on the part of very high level government officials Fast and Furious was not just wrong on many different levels, it was pretty much wrong on every possible level.

Doing things wrong is really a pretty easy thing to do, but getting everything wrong at every level takes a special kind of willful and possibly malicious, intent.

This did not happen by accident or due to incompetence. A lot of hard work by smart and clever people was done to make Fast and Furious happen and it did exactly what they intended it to do.

These same people worked just as hard to cover up their work to make sure no one ever discovered what had been done. Had it not been for the fears that a F&F gun had been used in the Gabrielle Giffords shootings, the use of multiple F&F weapons, including the actual murder weapon, in the murder of Border Patrol Agent Terry and the subsequent attempts by the FBI,BATF and DHS at cover up, and the BATF Agents who exposed the operation the whole thing would have been covered up.

If it were not for the election of a Republican House of Representatives no investigation would have been pursued. To this day, the Democrat Senate is working hard to block investigation of F&F and to cover up for the Obama Administration. The Media is working even harder to keep a lid on the story and deflect blame away from the guilty. When they can't deflect or hide they try to spin any damaging evidence in the most favorable light to the guilty.

33 posted on 10/10/2011 6:05:54 PM PDT by rdcbn
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To: marktwain


34 posted on 10/10/2011 6:09:00 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: marktwain

Wow. BTTT.


35 posted on 10/10/2011 6:15:09 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: Lurker

,,,,If there were any honor left in this Administration,,,,

err they can’t lose what they never had


36 posted on 10/10/2011 6:20:23 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: SunkenCiv

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/07/19/ray-walser-hezbollah-mexico-jamel-nasr-middle-east-mexico-tijuana/

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/05/hizballah-setting-up-operations-in-mexico-near-border.html


37 posted on 10/10/2011 6:21:05 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: All

Even if Holder resigns, if a prosecution takes place the lead up to the trial will last over a year.

It will be fun to watch.


38 posted on 10/10/2011 6:34:44 PM PDT by az_gila
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To: Lurker

You presume that there was honor within this junta to begin with you would be mistaken on that point.


39 posted on 10/10/2011 7:00:23 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: MestaMachine; Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; Silentgypsy; repubmom; HANG THE EXPENSE; Nepeta; ...
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Holder Ridge Defenses Overrun. Holder isolated in his bunker, awaiting the coup de grâce. (gunwalker)

“”Excellent letter from Issa. A very good start.””

. . . . . See article.

40 posted on 10/10/2011 7:02:58 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: jiminycricket000
Ah, but what if Holder is not willing to "take one for the team"?

The question needs to be asked in light of the numerous failures and abuses of the Justice Department under his tenure and the unpalatable fact that he is still employed there.

I started wondering about it this morning because a snippet of Web Hubbell's recording with his wife, "I need to roll over one more time" popped into my brain. He was willing to fall on his sword to protect Clinton, but what if Holder isn't?

The fallout from F&F could take years to unravel and could involve criminal charges. He's got to be worried about that.

Then there is the other side of the coin. Holder has been the point man tasked with blocking every one of the lawsuits challenging Obama's eligibility. He knows where all the bodies are buried because he buried most of them. So the Bamster says to him, "Holder ol' son, looks like you're gonna have to take a hike".

To which Holder replies, "Yeah right, Soetoro. I'll just do that little thing. Of course where I walk to might not be very convenient for you!"

Loyalty among thieves only goes so far.

41 posted on 10/10/2011 7:18:33 PM PDT by Ronin (If we were serious about using the death penalty as a deterrent, we would bring back public hangings)
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To: Joe Brower

Unbelievabe as it is...saw Epstein trying to blame Bush for this on Fox News. Holder trying to cause the guys down the ladder to swing on his behalf


42 posted on 10/10/2011 7:25:31 PM PDT by katiedidit1
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To: Fred Nerks; MestaMachine

MM - FN posted two interesting links; I know you follow these connections, so you might be interested in these if you haven’t seen them yet:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/07/19/ray-walser-hezbollah-mexico-jamel-nasr-middle-east-mexico-tijuana/

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/05/hizballah-setting-up-operations-in-mexico-near-border.html


43 posted on 10/10/2011 7:35:39 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: marktwain
" The language in this letter, for DC, is "unprecedented," according to one DC source I just read it to over the phone. It announces that the battle for Holder Ridge is over, no matter what desperate forced optimism the White House may yet cling to. "

Bitter Clingers !!
44 posted on 10/10/2011 7:35:56 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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At best, this indicates negligence and incompetence in your duties as Attorney General.

I am glad he put this in there. If Holder actually didn't know(and we know he did)about this operation then he is guilty of gross negligence resulting in murders of American and Mexican citizens and needs to be jailed for that alone.

45 posted on 10/10/2011 7:46:15 PM PDT by calex59
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To: marktwain
COVER UP !! COVER UP !! COVER UP !!COVER UP !! COVER UP !! COVER UP !!COVER UP !! COVER UP !! COVER UP !!COVER UP !! COVER UP !! COVER UP !!COVER UP !! COVER UP !! COVER UP !!COVER UP !! COVER UP !! COVER UP !!COVER UP !! COVER UP !! COVER UP !!



From Issa's letter to Eric Holder and DOJ : " On top of that, the Government of Mexico was not informed about Fast and Furious. In fact, DOJ and ATF officials actively engaged in hiding information about Fast and Furious from not only Mexican officials, but also U.S. law enforcement officials operating in Mexico for fear that they would inform their Mexican counterparts. This strategy is inapposite and contradicts the promises you made to the American people. "



COVER UP !! COVER UP !! COVER UP !!COVER UP !! COVER UP !! COVER UP !!COVER UP !! COVER UP !! COVER UP !!COVER UP !! COVER UP !! COVER UP !!COVER UP !! COVER UP !! COVER UP !!COVER UP !! COVER UP !! COVER UP !!COVER UP !! COVER UP !! COVER UP !!

46 posted on 10/10/2011 7:46:43 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Lurker

“If there were any honor left in this Administration there would be lots of people going into their offices with a pistol and a single round of ammunition.”

The honor you speak of is nonexistent in this administration! Holder will eventually be held to account either by congress, or local law enforcement.

They are both gunning for him! PUN INTENDED!

What again did Scooter Libby do to get himself incarcerated? A process crime?


47 posted on 10/10/2011 7:52:04 PM PDT by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: marktwain
From article " As we understand it, in March 2010, top deputies to Lanny Breuer were informed that law enforcement officers intercepted calls that demonstrated that Manuel Celis-Acosta was conspiring to purchase and transport firearms for the purpose of trafficking the firearms from the United States into Mexico. Not only was ATF aware of this information, but so was the Drug Enforcement Administration and the Federal Bureau of Investigation. "

Whoooooooa...... not only the A.T.F. but, the D.E.A and the F.B.I. ......
Not only the Department of Justice, but, the F.B.I. and would it be a far stretch to believe that Home Land Security knew about this ? is it a far stretch to believe that Janet Napolotano was also a part of this ?

Rep. Issa ? Congress needs to investigate Home Land Security in this scandal and have Janet Napolotano testify in front of a Congressional investigative board and hearing.
48 posted on 10/10/2011 8:00:47 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Lurker
The Shawshank Redemption ...

Remember when the bully thug prison gaurd started to cry like a girl when the police came to arrest him ?
What the warden did speaks for it's self.
49 posted on 10/10/2011 8:07:47 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Any government official who get’s caught in a scandal like this were people got killed should not receive a presidential pardon.


50 posted on 10/10/2011 8:13:28 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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