Skip to comments.Fake Marine Problem. Help.
Posted on 10/11/2011 4:17:25 PM PDT by grapeape
I think that I may have stumbled onto a very large problem. I am working with a guy that says that he was a Marine and I am 99% sure that he isn't. He has got a really great story going and he has fooled a lot of people. I need a place to go to so that I can prove that he isn't a marine.
I can already proove several of his other stories are fabrications but this is the key. I have read online that is a rather big problem, especially for the Corps and the Seals. Can anyone tell me where to go to find out if this guy ever served?
Thanks for your help.
Kick him between the legs. If he goes down, he’s not a marine.
Tell the alleged “M”arine that it is now a felony to pretend to be a soldier or Marine when you arent.....
ANd just a clue.....ANYONE who readily claims to be a SEAL in everyday conversation, I can assure you, is NOT a SEAL!
Jonty, Jonty, Jonty!! I am guessing a real Marine would somehow “know” a kick was coming and block it. Seriously, I don’t even know if saying you are a Marine (and you aren’t) is a crime?
Simple, just ask him to recite The Rifleman’s Creed.
My own Brother was a viet Nam hero even though he got his General discharch in 1961. They are everywhere.
Do like Deniro in Ronin and ask him aggressively “what color is the boat house at Hereford?” and when he doesn’t answer go “AH-HA!! Fake!” ;)
I don’t think Stolen Valor will help with Marines, I thought they were SEAL advocates only, but their site may give you someplace to start.
That said, in my mind, this is a lose-lose situation. If he’s lying, and even if you can prove it, military service means less to some people than others. If you expose him, and he’s well-liked, you may find your peers view you as a busybody.
If you know without a doubt he’s faking, but he’s not wearing the uniform or using it to get benefits, your best bet may be to just file it away and relegate him to scum status in your dealings with him. If there’s even a shred of doubt, I’d advise you to be very cautious...Anything you say or do can backfire on you in a big way.
Marines aren’t psychic, but the human foot can’t dent balls of steel.
You can tell by my typos that I’m a real Marine.
Thought this was a very interesting topic and I did a little Yahoo search.
I didn’t read it in it’s entirety, but the best answer was to write to the National Archives and make a Freedom of Information Act Request for his military record. God throws us different places in life. There is no reason to pretend something like that.
For at least 5 years, this kind of false claim was a Felony —the Stolen Valor Act, or something.
However about 8 months ago the Supremes rules that such confabulation was simply a form of speach and as such, protected.
Sadly I think it also covers claims recording the MOH.
You can embarrass the living hell out of the guy, but I don’t think u can actually get him arrested anymore.
Don’t even sweat it... Eventually, bullshit artists try to bullshit the wrong guy and get their ass handed to them.
Just a friendly piece of advice, since you are obviously not a Marine... Tread lightly just in case he is.
Ask to see his DD214.
Give me the name of your preacher, and if he is a fake, if I dont go kick his arse, I know many who WILL!
Stolen Valor is INEXCUSABLE!!!!!!!Men and women are DYING for us, and some arsehole has the GALL to steal THEIR valor? SPIT! May they rot in HELL
Unless you can prove he used such a claim to commit fraud, like obtaining employment or benefits, there’s really nothing you can do. The Supreme Court found the Stolen Valor act a violation of free speech.
“I am working with a guy”
Besides the official information sources, if we knew more about just what “I am working with” means, we might be able to offer more meaningful examples of how to deal with him.
Ask him to move your desk. I’ve seen the fake ones are generally so fake, they couldn’t even pass a first day physical.
You are a hoot, Jonty30! LOL!
Ask him if his parents were married. If they were then he’s not a marine.
Ask him where the “Rock” is. Where is 29 Palms? And ask him what Chesty said when surrounded by the enemy? Ask him what a “Butter Bar” is? Who is nicknamed “Top”? When is the Marine Corps birthday? Ask him what you have to do to qualify to be a Former Marine versus and Ex Marine (Only answer is to NOT have an airport named after you in PA, but what the heck)?
We only recited that once in boot, and that was 30 years ago in my case. Might not be the best test.
Have another (known authentic) Marine chat with him. Especially a contemporary of his. In less than a minute authenticity will be verified or a phony exposed.
Oh heck, ask him what an Irish Pennant is? If he don’t know that, he don’t know the Corps...
Unless he’s using it to some material advantage, it’s probably better left alone. Even then... it’s important to be really, really sure. If he really is a former Marine it would be awful to accuse him of otherwise.
Actually I was thinking... did he put on his employment application that he was a Marine? If so, then he falsified a document in order to obtain employment. That may be an interesting angle on this for you.
or his 12th GO.
mine was quite creative. If he has to think... He is BULLSHIT !!!
Hah! Yeah, there are still a lot of wannabe’s out there.
USArmy RVN ‘69-70
Shoot...what was it - To quit my post only when properly relieved???
I got it...Ask him what a “Big Chicken Dinner” is...never mind...he may know that one, which lead him to claim he was a Marine.
A fake Marine was just prosecuted here under it. He was so ballsy, he spoke at a Veteran’s ceremony last yearl before he got caught. Yes, in front of tons of people in full uniform.
Dude... the 12th... 12th.
It started out as “recruit don’t know sir” and evolved from there.
The best way to approach this is to talk to the Marine Corps.
The United States Marine Corps Division of Public Affairs.
“You get help from your nearest public affairs shop - listed below in the public affairs directory.”
I can still tell you how to talk your way on to Kadena AFB on Oki, even in uniform!!!! That should make up for any lack of memory...
The answer, incidentally, is "however slight". You hadda be there.
I knew the Navy would get here eventually.
Stop it...I already hid my head in shame for forgetting 11 v 12...I blame it on age and pre-debate adult beverages.
That’s the best answer yet.
You are too obtuse.
Ask him what an Irish pennant is.
It would be interesting to hear and see how this person acts and talks around other known military, especially around other Marines. If they're willing to tell you all about their past experiences as civilians, but are reticent around other military, perhaps they're afraid of being exposed.
Do they have any pictures of themselves in uniform? Ask to see them in a flattering way. Especially if he's been in the service recently, he should almost certainly have photos. Ask to see his boot camp picture, or to see his bootcamp yearbook. Most naval ships on deployment have "cruise books," showing their crews and their ports of call. Perhaps the Marines offer something similar.
Otherwise, unless he's using his service to gain some advantage over you or others, I would ignore his claims, or take them with a grain of salt.
Hehehehehe...I picked up on that..see my post 24. Like looking for my reading glasses when they are on my head.
Most of them are SEALs but they do all services.
A real Marine will diossociate the pain until afer your ass is kicked hard and you aren’t moving anymore.
A real Marine will diossociate the pain until after your ass is kicked hard and you aren’t moving anymore.
“A real Marine... and you aren’t moving anymore”.
To walk my post from flank to flank, and take ... no wait the moderaters don’t allow those to be posted here.
I’ve had my bona-fides tested before. I didn’t find it especially offensive- I ended up having a pleasant chat with a guy who knew my Senior after I went through.
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