Green Tesla Motors: Another day another Solyndra

Pajamas Media ^ | 17 October, 2011 | Richard Pollock

[Watchdog85]

Zero's administration must feel like they are in a sinking boat, filling buckets just to stay afloat. Let's see how much MSM coverage this gets.

[pepsionice]

There are three significant problems with these battery-powered cars. First, the regular citizen making $40k a year...isn’t about to put out $50k for this type of car. It’s for a computer geek who is making $70k-plus. Second, in California....you tend to drive 50-plus miles a day, so you need a place to recharge. I don’t many companies or bosses offering free electricity, so you need a meter, and you need to buy your power. Third, and final...forget about cross country trips or even 800-mile trips. So you have to have a second car for real travel.

[Hoodat]

This is the most egregious corruption I have ever witnessed in American politics.

[Happy Rain]

As long as Obama has AG Holder as his “Captain McCluskey” he is untouchable.

[kcvl]

A small plane that crashed in East Palo Alto last year, killing all three Tesla Motors employees onboard, had its propellers and engines operating normally before it hit a transmission tower and plummeted in pieces into a residential neighborhood, a federal investigative report found.

The report by the National Transportation Safety Board cites recordings made by a police gunfire detection system, which captured the plane’s final moments, in concluding that “both engines were operating near full power.”

The federal board also said both the plane’s propellers had been recovered and that “no indications of propeller failure prior to impact were found.”

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/10/11/BAD11LG4PP.DTL#ixzz1b1xzdT4j

[Watchdog85]

Interesting...its funny how in almost every government scandal people involved with these scandals mysteriously start having accidents.

[Erik Latranyi]

We all know this was money laundering.

Obama gives taxpayer money to big donors who give some of that money back to the Obama campaign.

The tax money is gone. Some donations were made.

However, the good news is that with all the attention, some of the donors may think twice before giving money to Obama for fear of being charged with corruption and fraud.

We must keep the pressure up and the intensity in the media so these donors are scared to give the tax money to Obama’s campaign.

[NTHockey]

Another one to watch is Fisker Automotive. They bought GM’s Boxwood Plant in Wilmington, DE for $20 million. A new plant would have cost $1 BILLION. Pushed by Old Joe Biden, DoE gave Fisker a $528 million loan. Cars are supposed to sell for around $80K. Plans are to hire 2,000 employees by 2014. They are a year behind schedule on getting cars to market.

[NautiNurse]

Do not overlook Fisker Automotive:

1. Received $529 million U.S. government loan

2. Vehicles built in Finland

3. Company backed by Al Gore

4. Vehicle cost = $89,000

WSJ Sept. 25 2009

[YankeeReb]

I went into one of those Tesla showrooms about a year ago. Nice looking cars but the electric motor was about the size of a large sewing machine. They showed pictures of the thing driving up the Rockies to a ski lodge , but for the life of me I couldn’t imagine how they’d be good in the snow. Maybe as a car for around town , but with the $100K sticker price (according to the salesman), I couldn’t imagine anyone but an evil, greedy , Wall St CEO ever buying one.

[wita]

I would call it the tip of the iceberg. It is what we don’t know that is the most egregious, and I would say what we don’t know, dwarfs what we do know.

[Haiku Guy]

Not only is Tesla a complete boondoggle and a sinkhole of money, it is also occupying the space in the market where a real electric car company should be.

Tesla is sucking up all of the money, and producing nothing but press releases and vaporware. If Tesla did not exist, that money might actually go to a real company with a real business plan to produce real electric automobiles. But none of that can happen as long as Tesla dominates this segment.

[Steven Tyler]

Plugs Bide skimmed a % to cover the taxes and operating cost on his estate

[Cvengr]

Corruption is the key word, but a different meaning than I suspect you are expressing.

The behavior being reported is “criminal”.

Corruption, unlike criminality, refers to a state of thinking when criminal behavior, (an unrighteous behavior), is not first addressed in a just fashion, so that other endeavors and thinking after the criminal acts are not also tainted by the unrighteousness of the criminal act.

All mankind is corrupt after the fall in the Garden. The solution first resides in returning to perfect righteousness by means of perfect justice. Until that occurs, those who reject perfect justice simply further degenerate in their corruption. Criminality becomes a natural modus operendi in the minds of those continuing to degenerate in their arrogant refusal of legitimate authority, God’s provision, and His law.

The entire agenda of these fraudulent schemes is consequent to similar past criminal endeavors becoming an accepted as happenstance amongst those in political power.

[taildragger]

Another one to watch is Fisker Automotive. They bought GM’s Boxwood Plant in Wilmington, DE for $20 million. A new plant would have cost $1 BILLION. Pushed by Old Joe Biden, DoE gave Fisker a $528 million loan. Cars are supposed to sell for around $80K. Plans are to hire 2,000 employees by 2014. They are a year behind schedule on getting cars to market.

I talked to my Auto and Aerospace "gnomes" within the last two weeks and noticed a trend. New product manufacturing seems to be going to plants that are newer and additional flexible assembly facilitites can be built, or a new facility from scratch. Not refab an old plant, it is two hard, to do that and be flexible.

My guess is like all these Green Car fantasies ( like these Left leaning arrogant B*****ds at Tesla) will run up against "reality".

That reality is it is a lot tougher to make a bunch of them identical with swapable parts that fit rather than a onesy twosey in the garage prototypes. You and I can do that with a Kit-car, bike or airplane and play Walter Mitty.

Banging Detroit and their ability to produce when you haven't done it yourself with your Silicon Valley arrogance will only get you so far.

Ya better care how they do it in Detroit, cause quite frankly you don't know how too....

[taildragger]

Tesla is sucking up all of the money, and producing nothing but press releases and vaporware. If Tesla did not exist, that money might actually go to a real company with a real business plan to produce real electric automobiles.

You mean like Ford? :-), See this image below, this is the electric motor in the up coming Electric Ford Focus....

What you are looking at here is a Electric Drive motor that with out a CVT ( Continously Variable Transmission), by playing with the sine wave or whatever, that acts like a CVT.

This has only been reported here, and in a conversation with a Ford Rep @ the NAIAS in Jan of 011' when they described what they were doing to a EE that I was with, so it is not company top secret.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/11/ford-focus-electric-motor-extracted-split-asunder-coppery-guts/

Does anyone get this? Does this do the following? ( we don't know yet..)

* Does this eliminate the transmission other than a FWD knuckle.
* Does this make a Volt Series type Hybrid more viable.
* Does this truly open the door to a true electric - hybrid drivetrain.

BTW a Hybrid gnome on a high profile program once told me the ultimate transmission for an electric would be a CVT. Combine this with how much more energy they are recovering with regenerative braking, and maybe I can finally embrace these electrified drivetrains...

[Eric in the Ozarks]

Fisker ran a series of ads in last Saturday's WSJ.

[killermosquito]

The government should never pick the winners and losers. Individuals in the marketplace deciding who to give money to might take some time but the outcome will be accurate. Trust the invisible hand. Central planning always fails.

[TheOldLady]

Thank you, humblegunner

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