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Crime Surging at "Occupier" Sites - Scenes From "Lord of the Flies"
Human Events ^ | October 20, 2011 | JWF

Posted on 10/20/2011 10:25:51 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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1 posted on 10/20/2011 10:25:56 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: 3D-JOY; abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; Albion Wilde; AliVeritas; alisasny; ALlRightAllTheTime; ...

PING!


2 posted on 10/20/2011 10:27:40 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I am amazed how people expect character and morality to be readily available,it is really not that easy to find someone who would reach out to genuinely help a cause.


3 posted on 10/20/2011 10:29:35 PM PDT by Del Rapier
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Do you suppose if a rape claim was made against a tea partier that it would receive more attention?

It would be screamed in the headlines for two or three weeks!

4 posted on 10/20/2011 10:35:27 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Oh, yeah, I saw this report on CNN tonight.

Oh, wait...no, that did not happen. Forget it,
I forgot that the media never reports on anything
negative for the President and his lemmings.


5 posted on 10/20/2011 10:39:16 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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“It’s turning into us against them,” Warner said. “They come in here and they’re looking at it as a way of getting a free meal and a place to crash, which is totally fine, but they don’t bring anything to the table at all. It gets really frustrating.”

At the age of 36 Mr. Warner is amazingly naive. I hope this opens his eyes to how human societies work.

6 posted on 10/20/2011 10:43:34 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: Greysard

People are... BUMMING off of the Occupiers? Say it ain’t so!

What do you get when you bum a bum?


7 posted on 10/20/2011 10:46:24 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: All; LucyT; MestaMachine; mnehring; Allegra; Eleutheria5; Lazlo in PA

Another view of Cut and Run Paul’s America.

Remember, these folks are the “victims”, according to the good doctor.

Is it time to be concerned yet ?


8 posted on 10/20/2011 10:50:07 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (Chairman Obama And Ron Paul Are Sure Signs The Republic Is In Serious Trouble. God Help Us All.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I thought it would have been the cold forcing the Flea Party away, but now it is looking like the wacko criminals the left loves so much may be doing the job instead.


9 posted on 10/20/2011 10:54:14 PM PDT by matt04
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Crime is surging among the fleabaggers huh? Guess we better pass the “jobs” bill. (Rimshot!)


10 posted on 10/20/2011 10:55:07 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Stop Government Greed Now!!!!)
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To: Absolutely Nobama

Looks like the reality of the world is making it’s way into these childish Ne’er Do Wells playhouse. Something tells me it won’t be as fun and chic to hang out at occupy events as the vultures and hardened criminals show up for their version of fun.


11 posted on 10/20/2011 10:59:26 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It’s getting weird out there.

http://mrctv.org/videos/occupy-toronto-man-was-my-tent-sniffing-my-girlfriend%E2%80%99s-feet%E2%80%9D

The incident happened north of the border, but I am sure
things like this are happening at other “Occupations”.

Read the reader comments. They are hilarious. LOL.


12 posted on 10/20/2011 11:02:08 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I can’t countenance rape, but the more ‘mugged’ liberals there are out there...


13 posted on 10/20/2011 11:07:20 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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“It’s turning into us against them,” Warner said. “They come in here and they’re looking at it as a way of getting a free meal and a place to crash, which is totally fine, but they don’t bring anything to the table at all. It gets really frustrating.”

What a selfish rich snob Warner is. These unfortunate persons of lesser means certainly do bring all they have to the table, and have far greater needs than the tightwad Warner.

How dare he show intolerance rather than the proper compassionate response to these unfortunates. I'm sure this is a hate crime, or should be.

Most of these people brought a stone for the stone soup, and those that didn't brought protein rich lice, fleas, and ticks, and those STD and HIV rumors are just that, rumors.

Shame, Mr. Warner, Shame!

14 posted on 10/20/2011 11:08:31 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: Lazlo in PA; All; MestaMachine; LucyT

We are witnessing the decline and fall of the American Republic. I never, ever, thought I’d say that but here we are.

This is the break down of civil society. I’ve never been more disgusted in my entire life.


15 posted on 10/20/2011 11:10:48 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (Chairman Obama And Ron Paul Are Sure Signs The Republic Is In Serious Trouble. God Help Us All.)
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Warner said. “They come in here and they’re looking at it as a way of getting a free meal and a place to crash, which is totally fine, but they don’t bring anything to the table at all. It gets really frustrating.”

So, the question is how much does Warner plan on bringing to the table when he gets “his share” of the millionaires’ money.


16 posted on 10/20/2011 11:12:55 PM PDT by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This is terrible what happened to this girl. I hope that she recovers from the trauma.

Spending a night with a stranger in a tent is a risky proposition, especially with the crowd they have there.


17 posted on 10/20/2011 11:16:40 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
He said it was "interesting for a group that claims to be against current civilization and rules to set up a far more oppressive society than our own."

Evidence that "police supervisors" (who ever the hell they are,) are sociological illiterates and are best limited to writing parking tickets. Sooner or later we have to face the fact that being a cop doesn't mean that you know anything useful about society as a whole.

18 posted on 10/20/2011 11:20:23 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I visited the Oakland camp a couple of days ago.

This is all true. It's a "Lord of the Flies" atmosphere. There are NO cops at or around the Oakland camp, believe it or not. They are nowhere to be found. This is the opposite of the situation in NY at Zuccotti Park -- they're surrounded by cops 24/7.

Perhaps this is part of a de-escalation strategy by the police, but I think more likely there are no police because some members of the city council are sympathetic to the protesters, and want it that way. The park is right in front of Oakland city hall.

I'll post some more pics, but take a look at this sign posted on the perimeter of Ogawa Plaza (on the perimeter of the camp).

Who is Oscar Grant?

check it out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXqGT74vBKk&feature=fvst

19 posted on 10/20/2011 11:20:43 PM PDT by zipper
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To: Greysard

Looks like this man has placed himself in a position to get hands on experience of what happens when you promote anarchy.


20 posted on 10/20/2011 11:22:09 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Absolutely Nobama

You must be smoking what these idiots are. NO we are not witnessing the decline and fall of the American Republic (though that may be your hope). We ARE witnessing freedom in action and that freedom includes the freedom for some to display their idiocy. The only travesty is the lack of law enforcement cracking down on the lawlessness that has engulfed their demonstrations, but then again the liberal mayors of these towns have decided that this will help their commie cause. This crappola has been tried before... and with much more violence in the sixties and seventies. They are on their last gasp for these lib programs and policies so they have taken to the streets. Astroturfers....


21 posted on 10/20/2011 11:29:03 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: antceecee; MestaMachine; Lazlo in PA; LucyT; mnehring; All

“You must be smoking what these idiots are. NO we are not witnessing the decline and fall of the American Republic (though that may be your hope).”

We’re not ? Where have you been ?

We’re witnessing protests that are being organized by the Communist Party USA and cheered on by the American Nazi Party. Radical Islam and CAIR have joined in, while a “Republican” presidential candidate (Ron Paul) gives his blessing, while the President of the United States is giving them his stamp of approval.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I can’t call ANY of the above normal and I certainly wouldn’t call any of this barbarism “freedom”.

Take some time and really think about what’s going on.


22 posted on 10/20/2011 11:41:23 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (Chairman Obama And Ron Paul Are Sure Signs The Republic Is In Serious Trouble. God Help Us All.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Here's another one, from a dry-erase board in the center of the camp.

It's their schedule of events for different days this past week.

Take a close look at the topics and themes. Who do you think runs this camp?

I also attended one of their meetings in which they discussed "security". The white guy up front leading the discussion stressed that 1) nobody should go to the cops or to the hospital if there was a problem -- he said some of the protesters are current or past paramedics, and could drive someone to the hospital if it were called for, and 2) crime issues within the camp should be handled internally without the police. They didn't want the police involved (this was just after a theft incident that escalated and resulted in someone calling the police). It would be bad p.r., and besides many of them are ex-cons (one of them looked around and said he figured maybe 50 percent of them had been in jail or prison).


23 posted on 10/20/2011 11:42:46 PM PDT by zipper (espions sur les occupants)
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To: Absolutely Nobama
We are witnessing the decline and fall of the American Republic.

Really Dude? This is absolutely a blip on the map of American history. These things are are poorly attended and disorganized. Most people I talk to about this either laugh at it's lameness or have no idea what I am talking about. The Anarchist at the G* meetings put on a better show. For crying out loud, the Zoot Suit Riots in the 40's caused more problems than this garbage. Lay off the Glenn Beck for a week or two. That should calm your nerves.

24 posted on 10/20/2011 11:48:13 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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I know, and can you imagine denying anyone the pleasure of sniffing his girlfriend’s feet?? I mean like how selfish can you get; it’s not even sex, it’s just a little sniffing for gosh sakes! If he can’t even SHARE his girl’s toes, how would he do with his material possessions??! Panty, cop-calling shmo!


25 posted on 10/20/2011 11:53:38 PM PDT by punditwannabe
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To: Lazlo in PA

Okay, maybe you’re right.

:)

No Glenn Beck for one week. I mean it this time.


26 posted on 10/20/2011 11:58:22 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (Chairman Obama And Ron Paul Are Sure Signs The Republic Is In Serious Trouble. God Help Us All.)
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This one shows two guys rolling some doobies in the front of Oakland City Hall, juxtaposed with the Frank Ogawa statue in the park.

There was so much dope smoke in the camp you could almost cut it with a knife. Hey, it's California!

There were some racially tense moments there that I witnessed, but this wasn't one of them. I guess all that THC has a calming effect.


27 posted on 10/20/2011 11:59:33 PM PDT by zipper (espions sur les occupants)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It’s not the only rape. There was one reported in Cleveland as well....*reported* rapes.


28 posted on 10/20/2011 11:59:33 PM PDT by DGHoodini (Iran Azadi)
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To: All
This was a flyer being handed out at the Occupy San Francisco rally earlier this week.


29 posted on 10/21/2011 12:16:48 AM PDT by zipper (espions sur les occupants)
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To: zipper

Thanks for the great on-the-ground research! You’ve done some serious investigative journalism here.


30 posted on 10/21/2011 12:19:28 AM PDT by livius
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Thanks.

These are from the Occupy San Francisco rally last week. They marched from their encampment to City Hall, with a formidable police escort -- squad cars, police on scooters, and on foot.

That rally was peaceful, with the now-standardized speaker-echo audience responses from throngs of Useful Idiots.

There was a female speaker there who thoroughly trashed the founders and the constitution, and called for "starting over"; I don't think she meant having a constitutional convention, either!

I figure probably 2,000-3,000, though the paper said 5,000 were present.


31 posted on 10/21/2011 12:38:41 AM PDT by zipper (espions sur les occupants)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Actually, I heard it was the sequel, “Lord of the Rats”.


32 posted on 10/21/2011 12:55:29 AM PDT by tanuki (O-voters: wanted Uberman, got Underdog....)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Warner said. “They come in here and they’re looking at it as a way of getting a free meal and a place to crash, which is totally fine, but they don’t bring anything to the table at all. It gets really frustrating.”

And how exactly will Marxism prevent that ?

33 posted on 10/21/2011 1:10:37 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: HiTech RedNeck
What do you get when you bum a bum?

dingleberries...?

34 posted on 10/21/2011 1:40:25 AM PDT by spokeshave (Obama's ratings are so low...Kenyans accuse him of being born in the USA,)
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To: zipper

One of the (many) things that I find creepy about this is how Obama has revived a lot of failing, marginal groups that for decades have only been visible in the occasional flyer on a campus lamp post. The Socialist this, the Workers’ that, etc.; in other words, the ragtag groups made up of a few students and mostly a large clump of the older hangers-on and failed academics who always collect around university campuses. They had their moment of glory back in the late 60s and the 1970s. But they caused so much disruption and crime, particularly after their alliance with the “vanguard of the Revolution,” the Black Panthers and other violent black power groups, that they were abandoned even by the Dems and the left, who were mostly motivated by pro-Communist anti-war sentiments and not by domestic events. I think the failure to get McGovern elected was the thing that revealed their lack of larger support or relevance for the average Dem.

But this time these groups, with some of the same players (Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorhn, for example), have actually managed to get somebody into the White House and now they are reviving all these marginal groups of fruit loops and giving them a legitimacy that they could never have attained on their own. The whole objective, of course, is destabilization, which is a big part of the Alinsky/Ayers technique.

Many of the actual participants in these “spontaneous events” are anarchists. Some of them are part of that floating tribe that seems to roam the world and appear at international riots as if they had their own private jets, and others part of that local stratum of youthful and not so youthful losers who blame the world for their failures. But they are all pretty marginal people, and I wonder if Obama and the people behind him are going to use them a little longer and then dump them once they have accomplished their task of destabilization and destruction.

In the years prior to the Spanish Civil War, the Communists made abundant use of the anarchists to provoke confusion, disruption and fear in various stable parts of Spain, and when actual fighting finally broke out, the anarchists were the first ones to charge out to sack churches, burn villages and kill anyone in their way. But as soon as the Communists actually took charge, the first group that they purged...was the anarchist bloc. The anarchists were considered “politically immature,” and once they had served their purpose in destabilizing the political and social world and in sowing fear, they were no longer necessary and many of them were executed or simply killed on the battlefield by the Communists themselves.


35 posted on 10/21/2011 2:17:57 AM PDT by livius
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To: zipper

I didn’t see a section for a rousing rendition of “Dosvidanya Rodina”.


36 posted on 10/21/2011 2:23:35 AM PDT by Molon Labbie ("It's free, swipe your EBT!")
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Seriously. Do any of these protests take place in right-to-carry states?


37 posted on 10/21/2011 3:41:34 AM PDT by FLAMING DEATH (Are you better off than you were $4 trillion ago?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Nature of primitive communist societies:

In a primitive communist society, all able bodied persons would have engaged in obtaining food, and everyone would share in what was produced by hunting and gathering. There would be almost no private property, other than articles of clothing and similar personal items, because primitive society produced no surplus; what was produced was quickly consumed. The few things that existed for any length of time (tools, housing) were held communally.[5] There would have been no state.

Domestication of animals and plants following the Neolithic Revolution through herding and agriculture was seen as the turning point from primitive communism to class society as it was followed by private ownership and slavery, with the inequality that they entailed. In addition, parts of the population specialized in different activities, such as manufacturing, culture, philosophy, and science which is said to lead to the development of social classes.[5]

Those groups that advocate a return to or are inspired by hunter-gatherer society are associated with the movement of anarcho-primitivism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primitive_communism


38 posted on 10/21/2011 3:42:46 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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Anarcho-primitivism:

Some anarcho-primitivists state that prior to the advent of agriculture, humans lived in small, nomadic bands which were socially, politically, and economically egalitarian. Being without hierarchy, these bands are sometimes viewed as embodying a form of anarchism. John Moore writes that anarcho-primitivism seeks “to expose, challenge and abolish all the multiple forms of power that structure the individual, social relations, and interrelations with the natural world.”[15]

Primitivists hold that, following the emergence of agriculture, the growing masses of humanity subtly became evermore beholden to technological processes (”technoaddiction”) [16] and abstract power structures arising from the division of labour and hierarchy. Primitivists disagree over what degree of horticulture might be present in an anarchist society, with some arguing that permaculture could have a role but others advocating a strictly hunter-gatherer subsistence.

Primitivism has drawn heavily upon cultural anthropology and archaeology. Within the last half-century, societies once viewed as barbaric have been largely reevaluated by academics, some of whom now hold that early humans lived in relative peace and prosperity. Frank Hole, an early-agriculture specialist, and Kent Flannery, a specialist in Mesoamerican civilization, have noted that, “No group on earth has more leisure time than hunters and gatherers, who spend it primarily on games, conversation and relaxing.”[17][18] Jared Diamond, in the article “The Worst Mistake in the History of the Human Race”,[19] said that hunter-gatherers practice the most successful and longest-lasting life style in human history, in contrast with agriculture which he described as a “mess” that has tumbled us, and it’s “unclear whether we can solve it”. Based on the evidence that life expectancy has decreased with the adoption of agriculture, the anthropologist Mark Nathan Cohen, expert in the field of population growth and life expectancy, has call for the need to revise our traditional sense that civilization represents progress in human well-being.[20]

Scholars such as Karl Polanyi and Marshall Sahlins characterized primitive societies as gift economies with “goods valued for their utility or beauty rather than cost; commodities exchanged more on the basis of need than of exchange value; distribution to the society at large without regard to labor that members have invested; labor performed without the idea of a wage in return or individual benefit, indeed largely without the notion of ‘work’ at all.”[21] Other scholars and thinkers such as Paul Shepard, influenced by anthropologist Claude Lévi-Strauss, have written of the “Evolutionary Principle” which roughly states that when a species is removed from its natural habitat its behaviors will become pathological. Shepard has written at length on ways in which the human species’ natural “ontogeny”, which developed through millions of years of evolution in a foraging mode of existence, has been disrupted due to a sedentary lifestyle caused by agriculture.[22]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-primitivism#Thought_and_main_concepts


39 posted on 10/21/2011 3:46:22 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

“Anarcho-primitivism is an anarchist critique of the origins and progress of civilization. According to anarcho-primitivism, the shift from hunter-gatherer to agricultural subsistence gave rise to social stratification, coercion, and alienation. Anarcho-primitivists advocate a return to non-”civilized” ways of life through deindustrialisation, abolition of the division of labour or specialization, and abandonment of large-scale organization technologies. There are other non-anarchist forms of primitivism, and not all primitivists point to the same phenomenon as the source of modern, civilized problems.

Many traditional anarchists reject the critique of civilization, many even denying that anarcho-primitivism has anything to do with anarchism,[citation needed] while some, such as Wolfi Landstreicher, endorse the critique but do not consider themselves anarcho-primitivists. Anarcho-primitivists are often distinguished by their focus on the praxis of achieving a feral state of being through “rewilding”.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-primitivism


40 posted on 10/21/2011 3:50:18 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Gypsies, Tramps & Thieves - Cher

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWeezUxIzaE

41 posted on 10/21/2011 4:01:04 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I’m starting to wonder if the real intent here is to “launch” the movement (IOW, take it mainstream) by provoking a police over-response along the lines of Chicago 1968 and Kent State.

Scenario would be the cops move in to deal with the low-level crime and public health/sanitation issues. The protestors, completely wound up and conditioned to distrust law enforcement and resist by their leadership, riot. This then triggers a MUCH LARGER police response, leading to mass casualties among the protesters.

Which would then, theoretically, stampede middle America/the Silent Majority into support of the protesters.


42 posted on 10/21/2011 4:17:28 AM PDT by tanknetter
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“It’s turning into us against them,” Warner said. “They come in here and they’re looking at it as a way of getting a free meal and a place to crash, which is totally fine, but they don’t bring anything to the table at all..."

Sort of like the 48% of Americans who pay no income taxes whatsoever who want to increase taxes on the other 52%.

43 posted on 10/21/2011 4:23:29 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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“It’s turning into us against them,” Warner said. “They come in here and they’re looking at it as a way of getting a free meal and a place to crash, which is totally fine, but they don’t bring anything to the table at all..."

Sort of like the 48% of Americans who pay no income taxes whatsoever who want to increase taxes on the other 52%.

44 posted on 10/21/2011 4:23:38 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"Homeless people, ex-convicts, at least one registered sex offender, students, unemployed hotel workers, anarchists and reform-minded activists ..."

I want rustlers, cut throats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, shit-kickers and Methodists.

45 posted on 10/21/2011 4:28:55 AM PDT by BlueLancer (Secede?! Y'all better just be thankful we don't invade ...)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
"What do you get when you bum a bum?"

Beggers begging from beggers."

46 posted on 10/21/2011 4:33:02 AM PDT by BlueLancer (Secede?! Y'all better just be thankful we don't invade ...)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
"What do you get when you bum a bum?"

Beggers begging from beggers."

47 posted on 10/21/2011 4:33:02 AM PDT by BlueLancer (Secede?! Y'all better just be thankful we don't invade ...)
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To: Lazlo in PA

As I look back on OWS I know realize this was bound to happen. The people that are there are not there because of a focused cause. They are there because it seemed like the right thing for them to do because they where told so. They are now exercising their liberal Utopia and it is turning ugly.

The founders of OWS wanted revolution. They got more of a Woodstock without the music because the protesters are idiots. Just listen to them speak.


48 posted on 10/21/2011 4:43:42 AM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

And when they say “flies”, I expect that is literal, considering how flies buzz around piles of excrement. Those “Occupy” venues must be some of the smelliest, filthiest places on earth right now.


49 posted on 10/21/2011 4:48:11 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Bfl.


50 posted on 10/21/2011 4:53:43 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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