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WHO SCRUBBED MATERIAL DEFINING “NATURAL BORN CITIZEN” DURING THE 2008 CAMPAIGN?
The Post & Email ^ | October 22, 2011 | Dianna Cotter

Posted on 10/23/2011 6:19:38 AM PDT by iontheball

Someone was incredibly busy in June 2008 working on an illegal front invisible to the public; searching and altering Supreme Court Cases published at Justia.com which cite the only case in American history – Minor v. Happersett (1875) – to directly construe Article 2 Section 1′s natural-born citizen clause in determining a citizenship issue as part of its holding and precedent. In this unanimous decision, the Supreme Court defined a “native or natural-born citizen” as a person born in the US to parents who were citizens; a definition which excludes from eligibility both Barack Obama and John McCain.

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TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birther; birthers; certificate; certifigate; citizen; corrpution; dnc; eligibility; justiacom; naturalborn; nbc; obama; scotus
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1 posted on 10/23/2011 6:19:42 AM PDT by iontheball
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To: iontheball

Pelosi and Reid are responsible and made a LOT OF MONEY
from it.

Congress is silent, and should themselves be indicted.


2 posted on 10/23/2011 6:24:33 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Diogenesis

“Pelosi and Reid are responsible and made a LOT OF MONEY”

Nothing about those vermin surprises me but what kind of money are you referring to? This is a new charge for me and I follow the eligibility issue pretty closely.


3 posted on 10/23/2011 6:27:47 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: Diogenesis

“Pelosi and Reid are responsible and made a LOT OF MONEY”

Nothing about those vermin surprises me but what kind of money are you referring to? This is a new charge for me and I follow the eligibility issue pretty closely.


4 posted on 10/23/2011 6:29:22 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: iontheball
a person born in the US to parents who were citizens

I though both McCain's parents were citizens.

5 posted on 10/23/2011 6:35:12 AM PDT by lula (Time to replace the mentality of Mine, Mine, Mine with 9-9-9)
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To: lula

They were. The issue there supposedly would have been his being born in Panama IIRC.


6 posted on 10/23/2011 6:36:55 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: lula

There are 2 requirements listed.


7 posted on 10/23/2011 6:36:55 AM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: 9YearLurker

Weren’t his parents in Panama because his father was stationed there?


8 posted on 10/23/2011 6:41:35 AM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: basil

But McCain was not born on the base.


9 posted on 10/23/2011 6:46:18 AM PDT by chopperman
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To: basil
IIRC, McCain was born in a US Military hospital in Panama to US citizen parents. His father was deployed there on active duty. McCain is 100% constitutionally eligible to be president. Barry? Uh-uh.
10 posted on 10/23/2011 6:46:34 AM PDT by JPG (America is worth saving. All hands on deck!)
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To: iontheball
“Minor vs. Happersett” was trumped by “Coyote vs. Roadrunner.”
11 posted on 10/23/2011 6:46:42 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: basil

Yes. And there was word that he was born on a US base hospital, though I’m not sure that’s absolutely confirmed.


12 posted on 10/23/2011 6:50:10 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: iontheball
"In this unanimous decision, the Supreme Court defined a “native or natural-born citizen” as a person born in the US to parents who were citizens"

If the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that there is no doubt a rabbit is an animal, does that mean a dog isn't?

13 posted on 10/23/2011 7:02:01 AM PDT by misterwhite
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To: iontheball
Help me understand this, Justia.com is a website where people can go and read Supreme Court cases. Justia placed altered information on their website. The Supreme Court info itself was not altered, so people could still go there for the correct data but if they went to Justia it was altered. Is that right?
14 posted on 10/23/2011 7:07:34 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: JPG

No, there was no maternity ward on base so he was born in a hospital in Colon.


15 posted on 10/23/2011 7:13:17 AM PDT by bgill (There, happy now?)
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To: JPG

No, there was no maternity ward on base so he was born in a hospital in Colon.


16 posted on 10/23/2011 7:13:18 AM PDT by bgill (There, happy now?)
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To: bgill
Thanks for the correction. Still, to equate McCain's eligibility with Obama’s is leftist spin at its finest.
17 posted on 10/23/2011 7:21:35 AM PDT by JPG (America is worth saving. All hands on deck!)
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To: iontheball

who’s to say it wasn’t Team McCain?


18 posted on 10/23/2011 7:23:03 AM PDT by Puddleglum
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To: Puddleglum

who’s to say it wasn’t Team McCain?

It could well have been, but it wasn’t changed after Obama was elected until they got caught. The owner of the site is Tim Stanley- Obama 2008

http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/justia/2008/11/06/president-barack-obamas-win-on-the-web/

see also Freeper Danae’s article Justia Gate
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2795647/posts


19 posted on 10/23/2011 7:53:00 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: rolling_stone

okay - I was inclined to suspect McCain because something in the article made me think this all happened before it was even likely Obama would be the nominee. I must have read it too quickly.


20 posted on 10/23/2011 8:08:44 AM PDT by Puddleglum
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To: rolling_stone
This is quite a story. To scrub minor vs. happersett some 25 times and then put it back when yo get caught is about as big as story as you can get.If they go to that kind of trouble you gotta figure zero is in real trouble.
21 posted on 10/23/2011 8:11:33 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: Danae

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22 posted on 10/23/2011 8:13:02 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Real solidarity means coming together for the common good."-Sarah Palin)
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23 posted on 10/23/2011 8:21:53 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: iontheball

No one did, because Minor doesn’t say what the fevered birthers claim it says. If it had, either Hillary or the GOP would have cited it.

There is a reason no state legislature or state DA, no Congressman and no court pays attention to birthers. They have no case. Legally, their arguments are total hogwash.


24 posted on 10/23/2011 8:34:22 AM PDT by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: Mr Rogers; iontheball

A lot of money has been moved around under Barack Obama’s reign. Trillions. And, his blackness helped early on to grease the skids.

Even now, he is moving money around without congressional approval. It is sickening what the Communist democrat party has done to our nation and the level of debt it has piled on us.


25 posted on 10/23/2011 8:47:05 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Fight for Liberty)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

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26 posted on 10/23/2011 9:28:36 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Diogenesis

And McCain/Palin did not do their homework but, instead, gave in without a whimper.


27 posted on 10/23/2011 9:30:30 AM PDT by 353FMG (Liberalism is Satan's handiwork.)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

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28 posted on 10/23/2011 9:30:48 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Mr Rogers

I have been holding of on saying anything about your stance on MR Obama’s eligibility sir. Since I have a penchant for chewing out unprofessional officers I hope you are at least an 04 maybe an 06.

Use some blasted logic sir, read all the cited material, it will become obvious that Obama is not now eligible, was not eligible then, will not ever be eligible.

All those complicit in the fraud and the cover up should spend a very “long” time behind bars.


29 posted on 10/23/2011 9:32:33 AM PDT by W. W. SMITH (Obama is an instrument of enslavement)
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To: Mr Rogers

.....No one did, because Minor doesn’t say what the fevered birthers claim it says. If it had, either Hillary or the GOP would have cited it......

The GOP didn’t and still wont’t do anything becaue McCain would have been ineligible and they were afraid of being called racists and they never figured Obama could win they are poor excuse for human beings. Hillary didnt because Obama had enough on her to silence her look how he stole the nomination form her, and she didnt raise a peep.

....There is a reason no state legislature or state DA, no Congressman and no court pays attention to birthers. They have no case. Legally, their arguments are total hogwash....

Can you read minds now? Are you a Constitutional Attorney?

If it is not decided if the child of a US citizen and visitor is born in the US is a citizen how can arguments on the other side be hogwash? It is your arguments that are hogwash.

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/

BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP
http://www.cis.org/birthright-citizenship


30 posted on 10/23/2011 9:56:27 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: JPG

It’s not leftist! It its about the CONSTITUTION...

Rubio and Jindal are also not natural born citizens. You have to have BOTH parents as citizens, and be born here.

Don’t confuse politics with the constitution.


31 posted on 10/23/2011 10:18:36 AM PDT by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife

It’s starting to grow... we shall see what comes of it.


32 posted on 10/23/2011 10:19:28 AM PDT by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: Mr Rogers

Wow. You said the same thing about the Birth certificate stuff! Do you just copy and paste this stuff??

Altering SCOTUS cases, is the topic Rogers, want to take a stab at why THOSE phrases were changed? Wanna take a stab at why they were returned to their original condition? Wanna discuss why someone would deliberately violate the law to do so?

Come on Rogers, we are waiting.


33 posted on 10/23/2011 10:23:01 AM PDT by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: Nachum

If this was removed or scrubbed it looks like it is back in there now. I looked at Justia.com and found the cases with the references to Minor v. Happersett.


34 posted on 10/23/2011 10:33:27 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average.)
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To: rolling_stone

“If it is not decided if the child of a US citizen and visitor is born in the US is a citizen”

Yeah, there is a big legal debate over that...bwahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!


35 posted on 10/23/2011 11:03:53 AM PDT by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: W. W. SMITH

“Use some blasted logic sir, read all the cited material, it will become obvious that Obama is not now eligible, was not eligible then, will not ever be eligible.”

O-5, if it makes you feel better. And if you would bother to READ the court cases, you would know that Obama WAS eligible, and that the law has been settled for over 100 years.


36 posted on 10/23/2011 11:05:55 AM PDT by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: basil

I think it was the Canal Zone, not Panama proper.


37 posted on 10/23/2011 11:13:17 AM PDT by Loud Mime (The Obama voters are dumber than you think, meaner than you can imagine)
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To: Mr Rogers

...Yeah, there is a big legal debate over that...bwahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!...

That’s about what I expected from you more hogwash, typical lib, no facts just an poor attempt at ridicule. I suggest you do some reading on the debate about it start with the link I gave you.


38 posted on 10/23/2011 11:39:29 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Mr Rogers

The law has been settled since 1875. Natural born clearly delineated as “born on US soil of citizen parents”. see Minor V Happersett. I may have had an advantage over many others here at Free Republic, I went to a local law library and looked it up. That is why until now I have been so puzzled by others not coming to the same conclusion. The commonly used reference material was deliberately and fraudulently compromised so as to hide the definition by the United States Supreme Court of natural born being born on US soil of two citizen parents. The Constitution is the Constitution and the law is the law, with this nation being a Republic and not a Democracy, the law over rules the polls every time. The case is now obviously closed and you sir are wrong.

Respectfully

I retired as an E7, Navy.


39 posted on 10/23/2011 11:43:59 AM PDT by W. W. SMITH (Obama is an instrument of enslavement)
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To: JPG

It doesn’t matter if he was born on an overseas military base or not: he is a citizen ONLY because his parents were citizens.

But he is not, and never has been, a natural born citizen. Natural born citizenship is not a type of citizen, it is only an eligibility requirement to be President.

If you want more information I can provide it, but McCain accepted hundreds of thousands of dollars in donatins from George Soros. McCain IS NOT one of the good guys.


40 posted on 10/23/2011 12:08:05 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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To: W. W. SMITH
"...In this unanimous decision, the Supreme Court defined a “native or natural-born citizen” as a person born in the US to parents who were citizens;",~snip~

"The Constitution is the Constitution and the law is the law, with this nation being a Republic and not a Democracy, the law over rules the polls every time. The case is now obviously closed and you sir are wrong."

Does this eliminate both Jindal and Rubio, in your estimation?

41 posted on 10/23/2011 1:02:27 PM PDT by Baynative (The penalty for not participating in politics is you will be governed by your inferiors.)
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To: Baynative

If what i’ve read so far is accurate, yes they both are eliminated and I really wish they weren’t. either would have been good at it.


42 posted on 10/23/2011 1:08:06 PM PDT by W. W. SMITH (Obama is an instrument of enslavement)
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To: W. W. SMITH

You don’t think Obama has set a precedent, now?


43 posted on 10/23/2011 1:15:08 PM PDT by Baynative (The penalty for not participating in politics is you will be governed by your inferiors.)
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To: bgill
It does not matter where McCain was born, Colon or the CZ. He is a natural born citizen under the doctrine of Jus Sanguinis. Although born outside the sovereign territory of the USA, both his parents were US citizens at the time of his birth, so he is a nbc since he was a citizen at birth.

The USA only leased the CZ from Panama, and it was never considered part of the sovereign territory of the USA. In fact, Congress passed a statute granting citizenship at birth to those persons born in the CZ, just so there would be no doubt as to their nbc status.

44 posted on 10/23/2011 1:28:27 PM PDT by ydoucare
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To: rolling_stone; Mr Rogers
Mr Rogers is absolutely correct in his analysis. Your post and links are once again long on unsubstantiated opinion and woefully short on the the facts and the law. Are you saying it is unsettled law that a person born of a citizen and an alien (legal or illegal) is a nbc?

There was just a FR thread on this topic. Read the Diaz-Salazar v INS or Nwankpa v Kissinger. Both are Court of Appeals cases. Both appeals were denied by SCOTUS. Which means they found it to be settled law between the circuits and no reversible error by the appeals court. I know there are at least a hundred cases like this in the 5th Circuit. Mr Rogers is correct that it well settled law and it you who is full of hogwash.

45 posted on 10/23/2011 1:45:28 PM PDT by ydoucare
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To: ydoucare

...Both appeals were denied by SCOTUS. Which means they found it to be settled law between the circuits and no reversible error by the appeals court.....

ROFLMAO the SCOTUS did not find NBC to be settled law in either case, and for you to state such is just plain a bald faced lie.

It is apparent by your failure to answer my question if you are a retread that you indeed must be one. What’s the matter did you get zotted before for your same liberal baloney?


46 posted on 10/23/2011 1:56:47 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: iontheball
Findlaw.com is the main legal information website that I'm aware of. Justia comes in second when you google "legal information website" and twelfth when you google "law information website." Lawyers use pay-services Lexis and Westlaw.

I googled some cases and sometimes justia.com amd up high on the list, sometimes not. Oyez.com, Casebriefs.com, and Law.cornell.edu all came up pretty early on some searches.

She may be on to something, though. Somebody should pursue it.

47 posted on 10/23/2011 1:57:38 PM PDT by x
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To: W. W. SMITH

“Natural born clearly delineated as “born on US soil of citizen parents”. see Minor V Happersett. I may have had an advantage over many others here at Free Republic, I went to a local law library and looked it up.”

You should have looked more. Minor made no attempt to define the limits of NBC. In fact, it said they didn’t need to, since no one doubted the woman in the case qualified.

WKA had the issue argued before them, and wrote in great detail about what NBC meant. In fact, it made up half of the decision.


48 posted on 10/23/2011 2:24:02 PM PDT by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: Mr Rogers

“...In this unanimous decision, the Supreme Court defined a “native or natural-born citizen” as a person born in the US to parents who were citizens;”

Is that not clear enough LT Col Rogers? or is it that you really like bottom boy Obama and intend to vote for him again.

Patterns have always intrigued me, among the officer corps, in all branches, the warriors tend to vote Republican. The perfumed princes tend to vote Democrat. Might that be because the further left someone is the louder they state that they should simply be handed the rewards of sustained effort sans any effort on their part.


49 posted on 10/23/2011 3:05:44 PM PDT by W. W. SMITH (Obama is an instrument of enslavement)
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To: Baynative

You don’t think Obama has set a precedent, now?

Yes I do, as the first president to be incarcerated for the rest of his life for fraud.


50 posted on 10/23/2011 3:17:27 PM PDT by W. W. SMITH (Obama is an instrument of enslavement)
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