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Shotguns, Buckshot, and SHTF
Marktwain | 23 October, 2011 | Marktwain

Posted on 10/23/2011 9:17:13 AM PDT by marktwain

Shotguns, buckshot, SHTF

With all of the insane government spending going on, and the potential of nasty inflation hitting soon, I have been looking for things to buy that have utility, trading value, and long term storage life.

I have been heavily involved in the gun culture, grew up in it, studied it, and have been a professional for the last 16 years.

Almost everyone has a shotgun. Usually it is a 12 gauge, although there are plenty of 20, 16, and 410 shotguns out there. Most people have a box or two of bird shot. They might have a few slugs, maybe a couple of rounds of buckshot, but most do not have even a magazine full of buckshot or slugs. Worse, in this area, buckshot is not heavily stocked. I doubt if the local stores have a collective inventory of 200 boxes, for a population of 100,000.

I had a couple of boxes of buckshot and slugs. I did some research and came to the conclusion that buckshot was the best SHTF shotgun round to have, and that the type developed for sale to law enforcement was the best of the bunch, and not that much more expensive. With the best LE type buckshot, all the pellets will be in a 6-9 inch group at 25 yards, and it is likely that you would get multiple hits on a man sized target at 100 yards. It turns a small game and bird getter into a very effective militia/SHTF weapon.

Most people do not have buckshot because they do not use it regularly. I happen to know my neighbors and I trust them. If the SHTF, I want them armed, and I want them confident in their arms. I pondered the situation and decided on this course of action.

I ordered a case of what I think is the best buckshot out there, Federal LE 9 pellet 00 buck with the Flight Control wad. A person that I know well in a State Patrol said that they tested it extensively, and that it gave incredible patterns (about 6 inches at 25 yards). This is also a reasonably mild load at 1145 fps, works great in manually operated shotguns, but may not work in all auto loaders.

Having a box of factory ammo that says : FEDERAL PREMIUM LAW ENFORCEMENT AMMUNITION, TACTICAL, just might put a little more spine into a recently formed informal militiaman when they need it.

I will be giving a couple of 5 round boxes of this ammo to all of my neighbors who have 12 gauges this Christmas. I believe that it will be better received than fruitcake. They all know me as a firearms instructor, so that gives it a bit more credibility.

I was able to find a case of this ammunition on the Internet for $225 dollars for 250 rounds including shipping. Other brands can be had for as little as $150/250rds, including shipping.

Buck shot is a relatively heavy munition, it is bulky, and a shotgun is not my first choice for a SHTF firearm, but for a great many people, it is the best that they have.

I highly recommend getting to know your neighbors before the SHTF.

Do most Freepers who have shotguns have a good supply of buckshot?


TOPICS: Education; History; Hobbies; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: banglist; beprepared; buckshot; getreadyhereitcomes; getreadynow; preparenow; prepperping; preppers; rkba; shotgun; shtf; survivalping; survivorping
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To: Georgia Girl 2
i wish they'd let us thin the heard round here that way... there'd be a hell of a lot less people getting killed / cars in the shop from hitting the damn things every year
51 posted on 10/23/2011 1:05:17 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

PING!


52 posted on 10/23/2011 1:10:59 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a tea party descendant - steeped in the Constitutional legacy handed down by the Founders)
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To: Cyber Liberty
Those,

combined with are my favorite combination.

53 posted on 10/23/2011 1:32:44 PM PDT by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: marktwain
Many people might want slugs for a shotgun, but my thought is that a rifle does every thing a shotgun with slugs does, and does it better. I don't want to be messing around with changing ammunition in a deady situation, and the incredible groups that the best buckshot loads give you make it fairly effective out to 100 yards in any case.

Are you going to carry both a rifle and shotgun with you? Go back and get your rifle? My ourdoor load would be first round a #4 birdshot 2oz turkey round. Also we have rattlesnakes around here, and that would work fine for that, as well as effective for self defense within 25 yds. Then alternate between slugs and #4 buckshot. If overpenatatration is an issue (neighbors close by), stick with birdshot or #4 buck. BTW, have you tested your rounds at 100 yds? I don't think any shotgun pattern is going to be effective beyond about 50 yards, even with a full choke, and buck is usually fired from an unchoked barrel.

54 posted on 10/23/2011 1:41:31 PM PDT by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: GOPJ

drywall doesn’t stop buckshot, this test it went through 7 drywall boards. Birdshot went through drywall too

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3.htm


55 posted on 10/23/2011 2:01:02 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: OldMissileer
"Aim just under the groin and the #4 Buck will not only knock them down but has the best chance to rip through an artery. The lower aim point will be under body armor if the perp is smart enough to be wearing it. "

I was taught to aim just above and just to the side of the d!ck no matter what I am shooting.

It drops them EVERY time for 9mm on up...broken hip or pelvis...shortly to bleed out.

56 posted on 10/23/2011 2:10:41 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: MHGinTN

got plenty of mags for that taurus? cant have enough high caps.


57 posted on 10/23/2011 2:55:29 PM PDT by Armedanddangerous
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To: MHGinTN

got plenty of mags for that taurus? cant have enough high caps.


58 posted on 10/23/2011 2:55:40 PM PDT by Armedanddangerous
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To: MHGinTN

got plenty of mags for that taurus? cant have enough high caps.


59 posted on 10/23/2011 2:55:56 PM PDT by Armedanddangerous
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To: Hugin
I don't think any shotgun pattern is going to be effective beyond about 50 yards, even with a full choke, and buck is usually fired from an unchoked barrel.

I do not intend to be carrying a shotgun unless I am hunting. If I am otherwise carrying a long gun, it will be a rifle. It is certainly a good idea to pattern your individual shotgun with the ammunition that you have. At 100 yards, a 00 buck pellet has about the same energy as a .22 high velocity bullet at that range. From what I have read and heard from people who actually tested it, the Federal LE Flight Control 00 buck loads can consistently put multiple hits on a silhouette target at 100 yards. They seem to do best from a cylinder bore gun.

I am not saying that there are no applications for slugs. There certainly are. It is even more important to test fire your gun with slugs than it is with buckshot.

It is my belief that for those who are one of the many who do not shoot much, have a shotgun, and have the courage and resolve to help defend their neighborhood if the need ever arises, then buckshot is best.

Would I prefer that they be "well regulated" in the sense of a "well regulated militia"? Certainly. It is just a fact that most people are not, and will not put the time and effort and training it takes on the small chance that they see of needing those skills.

60 posted on 10/23/2011 3:28:38 PM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: marktwain

My opinion is that if a man can own only 1 gun, it should be a 12 gauge shotgun of some kind. It can do everything from hunting to fighting, within its limitations. And a supply of buckshot will generally deal with most problems.....


61 posted on 10/23/2011 4:24:08 PM PDT by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: OldMissileer

thanks for the advice. good point.


62 posted on 10/23/2011 4:42:44 PM PDT by Hammerhead
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To: Armedanddangerous

Beretta hi cap mags work just fine when the mag catch on the Beretta mags is made a bit larger. I have ‘enough’. Also have several Taurus 92 mags as well, all test fired. I rotate mags keeping two or three loaded. That Taurus, BTW, functions flawlessly.


63 posted on 10/23/2011 4:44:41 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Chuckster

really? I don’t see any home addresses on this site partner.

Are you not even aware that paper work requiring law inforcement approval is needed before making a purchase or you should have a bill of sale if selling to another citizen - so the paper trail is already there! Nevermind, the gov. is gonna track down your guns via Freerepublic.com. Is that what you are saying???

Not only that, folks inventories change all the time as in selling stuff off.

Or did you not think about that in your statement.

So I ask you, what differnce does it make? And what about gun forums? All the 100s if not millions of posters are not supposed to talk or ask about their guns for ‘fear of government confiscation’?

lol... man get real.


64 posted on 10/23/2011 4:55:17 PM PDT by Hammerhead
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To: Chuckster

Regards your post 48, I don’t recall ever detailing what I own in the way of firearms.

I suppose that since you could not refute my criticism of your nonsensical statement about losing your guns in a “boat accident” you made up this crap.


65 posted on 10/23/2011 4:58:15 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: OldPossum

In case you didn’t pick up on it, with regards to my post 65, Mr. Chuckster, I am calling you a liar and challenging you to prove that I ever detailed what I may own with reference to firearms and ammo.

You called me an idiot and I am calling you a liar.


66 posted on 10/23/2011 5:12:52 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: Chuckster

you too?

Amazing ain’t it.


67 posted on 10/23/2011 6:45:08 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: MHGinTN

All I ever heard from gun snobs was the taurus 92F was junk, but theres not that much in it that can fail, and the open top feeding makes jams less likely.

I also like the cocked and locked feature. They are a bit heavy to me for CCW though.

Ive had my eye out for compact version of that particular taurus even though I have two glocks. Ive been wanting another 9mm to have on hand as a loaner to trusted visitors who find themselves without a sidearm in a SHTF emergency. If I can find one used and unpapered at a decent deal, I might even buy it.


68 posted on 10/24/2011 2:13:47 AM PDT by Armedanddangerous
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To: marktwain

I keep my Mossberg 500a tactical locked and loaded with 2 rounds of #8 bird shot first up in the magazine followed by 4 rounds of 00 buck shot for any intruder who isn’t properly persuaded by the first two rounds.


69 posted on 10/24/2011 6:32:38 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Attacking Wall Street because you're jobless is like burning down Whole Foods because you're hungry.)
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To: Armedanddangerous
I like the hammer drop safety feature which allows me to carry 15 in the mag and one in the chamber, firing the first shot with double action and single action for follow up shots. I bought the pistol used but have put 500 plus rounds through it without a hiccup, once I tuned the magazines for it. It is accurate out to fifty yards (which is th elimit of my old eyes for handgun shooting, and I do most at 25 yards or less) and with HydroShok or Remington Golden Sabre ammo it has .45 ACP impact without the recoil.

I'm still a .45 ACP man though. I have a Taurus OSS DS beside the bed that I trust my life to. I've put around 1000 rounds through that .45ACP and liked it so much I bought a 40S&W in OSS DS. A few Taurus pistols in the modern batch might need a bit of tuning, but I find them to be very reliable and now well made. Their magazines however often need 'filing' work to function reliably.

70 posted on 10/24/2011 7:30:54 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: OldPossum
I don’t have any guns or ammo. All lost in the boating accident last year. Don't you people ever get tired of posting this unfunny, unwitty statement?

Can you explain the inside joke on this one? Thanks.

71 posted on 10/24/2011 11:10:57 AM PDT by Veggie Todd (C'mon, turn this thing around RIGHT NOW! Edward Van Halen)
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To: Veggie Todd

When the BATFFBIDHS comes knocking to register your guns, this is the answer you give them.


72 posted on 10/24/2011 2:42:12 PM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: marktwain

At ranges inside of 35 yards or so there is no more effective personal defense weapon than the 12 gauge shotgun loaded with buckshot. At that range it’s ballistically equivalent to striking an assailant with 9 9mm rounds simultaneously. That’s serious firepower.

Anyone’s SHTF stash should have as much of this type of ammunition for the shotgun of your choice as one can reasonably procure.

Coincidentally I was at Cabelas last weekend and they had cases of what was marked as Military Grade MG Buck, $4.99 for a box of five. Winchester is the manufacturer. I tossed 10 of them in my cart along with another brick of .22 LR ammo. Why not?

Cabelas webpage says the muzzle velocity on these is 1325 fps. Obviously this isn’t the Federal that you wrote about, but at that price in those quantities there’s really no reason not to have 20 or 30 boxes of this stuff on hand.

Of course one should test this in an autoloader to be sure it functions well, but for almost any pump on the market I’d recommend this stuff without reservation.


73 posted on 10/24/2011 5:10:50 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Veggie Todd

I would be delighted to.

For some time now some Freepers who usually post on gun threads have thought it witty to say that if confronted by government agents who intend to get their guns, they would say that they lost them in a boating accident.

Why one would be carrying their guns in a boat (aside from shotguns in bird hunting) is beyond my understanding.

Anyway, these people think that is tremendously witty. Do you?


74 posted on 10/25/2011 9:31:38 AM PDT by OldPossum
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To: marktwain

CQB with big brown and fuzzy.........shotgun 101.

http://samcook.areavoices.com/2011/10/14/brown-bear-shot-at-point-blank-range-by-alaska-duck-hunters/


75 posted on 10/25/2011 9:42:23 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Squantos

12 rnds of #4 steel...good thing they had a partner...


76 posted on 10/26/2011 5:54:08 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Gilbo_3

Yep..... Had to be serious pucker factor in play....


77 posted on 10/26/2011 3:23:51 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Hammerhead
At some point you have to tell the tyrant “MOLON LABE,”

Might as well be when you're well armed.....

78 posted on 10/26/2011 4:08:55 PM PDT by papertyger (What has islam ever accomplished that treacherous, opportunistic, brutality couldn't do on its own?)
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