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Vanity: Rush Limbaugh sleeps while Herman Cain attacks free market and federalism
10-23-2011 | JOHN W K

Posted on 10/23/2011 4:57:25 PM PDT by JOHN W K

In November of 2010 in Don’t be VAT stupid Herman Cain writes:

``A national retail sales tax on top of all the confusing and unfair taxes we have today is insane! It gives the out-of-control bureaucrats and politicians in denial one more tool to lie, deceive, manipulate and destroy this country.``

The fact is, Herman is now proposing a new tax, a national retail sales tax, in addition to taxing corporate profits and incomes, and also would tax the wages working people earn. Herman Cain essentially admitted in the above mentioned article his existing plan is ``insane!`` So, why do so many “conservatives” support this Washington Establishment Hobson’s Choice candidate whose mission is to give another taxing power to Congress with which to ``lie, deceive, manipulate and destroy this country``?

And why is it that our ``conservative`` talk show hosts give this former federal reserve bank chairman, a Washington Establishment insider, a pass on his ``opportunity zones`` which attack our free market system? Why do they not object to Mr. Cain proposing to give preferential treatment under law that would relieve residents living in his designated “opportunity zones” a duty to contribute an equal tax burden as those not within his designated zones? Is this proposed preference of commerce not in defiance of our founder’s intentions when they added the following words to our Constitution? “No Preference shall be given by any Regulation of Commerce or Revenue to the Ports of one State over those of another: nor shall Vessels bound to, or from, one State, be obliged to enter, clear or pay Duties in another.”

Why is it that our “conservative” talk show hosts are silent in connection with Herman Cain’s proposed assumption of power to enter the various united States to enforce unequal law and meddle in each State’s internal commerce when such activity defies the very words of our founder‘s intentions which are summarized as follows? “The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected.

The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State”.

Has FoxNews, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, Schnitt, Mark Levin, Dennis Prager, Bill O'rielly, Mike Gallagher, Lee Rodgers, Neal Boortz, Doc Thompson, Tammy Bruce, Monica Crowley, or any talk show questioned Herman Cain’s proposed assumption of powers which is very similar to that of Obama’s Solyndra type “green deals” which were hatched to plunder the American Taxpayer’s federal treasury and loot it of BILLIONS OF DOLLARS?

And why is it than none of the above “conservative” media personalities are concerned that a power to “designate” geographical areas within each of the various united States to be an “opportunity zone” invites political partisanship of the most dangerous kind in that a democrat president, as exhibited by the Obama Administration, will use such power to reward friends and punish political enemies? I thought Rush Limbaugh was the fountain of all political knowledge and would see through this Washington Establishment’s cooked up scheme to enlarge its blackmailing powers over the States [e.g., federal highway funds and the Establishment’s No Child Left Behind Act] and further enslave the defenders of a free market system. And these complaints do not even take into account how Herman Cain’s proposal feeds the class warfare game which our folks in Washington have learned to play to perfection with their good-cop bad-cop routine which is engaged in by the leadership of both political parties, and done so in concert!

And finally, where is Mark Levin who continually informs us of the virtues of federalism who seems to have closed his eyes to a wolf in sheep’s clothing whose mission is admittedly designed to further erode the defined and limited powers of our federal government as summarized by our very own Supreme Court shortly after our Constitution’s Tenth Amendment was adopted to preserve and protect the virtues of federalism?

“The government of the United States is of the latter description. The powers of the legislature are defined and limited; and that those limits may not be mistaken or forgotten, the constitution is written. To what purpose are powers limited, and to what purpose is that limitation committed to writing; if these limits may, at any time, be passed by those intended to be restrained? The distinction between a government with limited and unlimited powers is abolished, if those limits do not confine the persons on whom they are imposed, and if acts prohibited and acts allowed are of equal obligation. It is a proposition too plain to be contested, that the constitution controls any legislative act repugnant to it; or, that the legislature may alter the constitution by an ordinary act.

Between these alternatives there is no middle ground. The constitution is either a superior, paramount law, unchangeable by ordinary means, or it is on a level with ordinary legislative acts, and like other acts, is alterable when the legislature shall please to alter it.

If the former part of the alternative be true, then a legislative act contrary to the constitution is not law: if the latter part be true, then written constitutions are absurd attempts, on the part of the people, to limit a power in its own nature illimitable.

Certainly all those who have framed written constitutions contemplate them as forming the fundamental and paramount law of the nation, and consequently the theory of every such government must be, that an act of the legislature repugnant to the constitution is void.” ____ MARBURY v. MADISON, 5 U.S. 137 (1803)

JWK

"The Constitution is the act of the people, speaking in their original character, and defining the permanent conditions of the social alliance; and there can be no doubt on the point with us, that every act of the legislative power contrary to the true intent and meaning of the Constitution, is absolutely null and void. ___ Chancellor James Kent, in his Commentaries on American Law, 1858.


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1 posted on 10/23/2011 4:57:32 PM PDT by JOHN W K
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To: JOHN W K

Sorry but I’m going to have to laugh at you. LOL

Well, no I’m not really sorry. LOL


2 posted on 10/23/2011 5:00:10 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: JOHN W K

mark levin doesn’t agree with you.


3 posted on 10/23/2011 5:00:26 PM PDT by ken21
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To: JOHN W K

Which candidate are you trolling for here?


4 posted on 10/23/2011 5:00:53 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" ~ Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: JOHN W K

Are you honestly comparing Cain’s plan to the beast we have today? Do you prefer the current code? What alternative(s) do you propose?


5 posted on 10/23/2011 5:01:06 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: JOHN W K

You’re high up on your high horse, but there are too many mistakes and false assumptions and straw ideas in your post to even bother. So I won’t.


6 posted on 10/23/2011 5:01:07 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: JOHN W K

Let me guess....Romney supporter.


7 posted on 10/23/2011 5:01:31 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" ~ Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: JOHN W K

Wow the first sentence with the underline for emphasis is completely wrong so I stopped reading right there.

How is a 9% flat tax complicated?


8 posted on 10/23/2011 5:02:51 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: justsaynomore

fyi.


9 posted on 10/23/2011 5:02:59 PM PDT by ken21
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To: cripplecreek; JOHN W K

Mr. JOHN W K, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

10 posted on 10/23/2011 5:03:37 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: JOHN W K

Cain must be onto something.

For the media and everyone to be losing their minds over this 9-9-9 plan, it must be good


11 posted on 10/23/2011 5:04:03 PM PDT by Mr. K (We need a TEA Party march on GOP headquarters ~!!)
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To: JOHN W K

Cain must be onto something.

For the media and everyone to be losing their minds over this 9-9-9 plan, it must be good


12 posted on 10/23/2011 5:04:10 PM PDT by Mr. K (We need a TEA Party march on GOP headquarters ~!!)
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To: JOHN W K

Ho hum. So, I wonder who you support?

How is a flat tax an attack?

Seems to me we have the “entitlement class” paying nothing at one end (the occupy crowd), and the GE and Berkshire Hathaway crony capitalism at the other.

Cain is the ONLY person who would make BOTH groups PAY their fair share.


13 posted on 10/23/2011 5:05:26 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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14 posted on 10/23/2011 5:05:50 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" ~ Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: JOHN W K
Herman Cain essentially admitted in the above mentioned article his existing plan is ``insane!``

That is a lie.

15 posted on 10/23/2011 5:05:55 PM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: JOHN W K
What are you? An accountant? Why in the world would you be defending the status quo tax system in place now.


16 posted on 10/23/2011 5:07:21 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: JOHN W K

I like Cain.

That said his 999-909 plan and his “opportunity zones” are bad ideas. Really bad.

I think as President he would sign a flat tax if it came to his desk.


17 posted on 10/23/2011 5:07:30 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: cripplecreek

Who was that brain-dead, buck-toothed moron?


18 posted on 10/23/2011 5:07:42 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: Future Snake Eater

LOL


19 posted on 10/23/2011 5:09:17 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: JOHN W K

What a hypocrit!

I can’t believe in less than a year he is out claiming his National sales Tax is a great idea.

Another lying opportunist.


20 posted on 10/23/2011 5:09:38 PM PDT by marty60
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To: big'ol_freeper

It’s gotta be Perry...


21 posted on 10/23/2011 5:09:58 PM PDT by teg_76
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To: All

“Giving the administration and Congress another tool to tax us and confuse us is like giving an alcoholic a key to the liquor store with no supervision, only to discover that he locks the door after he is safely inside.”

Herman Cain 2010 (His words regarding national sales tax)


22 posted on 10/23/2011 5:11:18 PM PDT by TexMom7
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To: JOHN W K

Let us make a more simple argument

http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com/2011/10/good-man-bad-plan.html

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I like Herman Cain
I think Cain is the best candidate in the race for the nomination.

I do see that he is inexperienced with politics and he can talk too much when asked a simple question. The “journalists” will let him ramble, he’ll say something sooner or later that can be twisted and taken out of context. That is what leftist journalists do to conservatives.

His 999/909 plan is stupid though and his “opportunity zones” is un-American as far as I am concerned, I will explain that.

First, let me restate, I like Herman Cain. I think I was the first one to use the slogan “Cain Vs Unable”, for instance.

Let me explain why I don’t like the tax plan he put forward.

Somebody call 999!

This plan requires the creation of a brand new tax, a national sales tax. This will give the federal government yet another revenue stream to tap into. As a conservative that alone bugs me to no end. Plus he says the plan is “revenue neutral”, which is not a positive if you ask me, the government takes far too much money out of the economy as it is.

A simple flat tax would be preferable. Would President Cain sign a true flat tax should it pass Congress? I think so.

Opportunity Zone comes knocking

Why should the federal government give special regulatory breaks to “zones”? If it good enough to help depressed areas, then it is good to help the whole freaking country! If he proposed eliminating harmful regulations permanently for the entire country we could see the economy boom. Why propose a plan that would simply encourage your job to be moved to places like Detroit? Pretty much because that is where the African-Americans are, this is known as “pandering”. If you want to pander for votes, pander to the whole country!

Who will decide where “zones” will be? A new bureaucracy.

Who decides the criteria? Who will process the applications from cities and states wanting to be declared or keep their status as “zones”? Will they have to fall on their knees before the federal emperor? A new bureaucracy.

Why is Herman Cain, a conservative, proposing a new federal bureaucracy that will literally enforce discriminatory regulatory policies??

If his idea is good enough for Detroit, then it is good enough for every single square inch of this country!

I still like Herman Cain, though.


23 posted on 10/23/2011 5:11:39 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: JOHN W K

Cain is a “Washington Establishment Hobson?s Choice candidate”

Who knew ???

So who’s paying you Mittins or Perry ?


24 posted on 10/23/2011 5:12:43 PM PDT by Popman (Obama is God's curse upon the land....)
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To: JOHN W K

News Flash.... the constitution was killed in 1937


25 posted on 10/23/2011 5:14:20 PM PDT by Breto (never accept the premise)
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To: JOHN W K

What part of 9% corporate tax(instead of 35% with a bunch of hidden taxes), 9% personal income tax(instead of our complex system of death tax, medicare, medicaid and personal income tax) and 9% national sales tax (since corporations dont have to spend 400 billion a year filling out tax forms prices will drop)and COMPLETELY THROWING OUT THE PRESENT TAX CODE do you not understand???

Ravenstar


26 posted on 10/23/2011 5:14:31 PM PDT by Ravenstar (Reinstitute the Constitution as the Ultimate Law of the Land)
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To: JOHN W K

Does this mean RP is just not doing so well.................


27 posted on 10/23/2011 5:14:42 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: JOHN W K

Sooo, I hope you find your rocker soon.


28 posted on 10/23/2011 5:15:02 PM PDT by be-baw (still seeking)
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To: TexMom7

Totally out of context and ill informed. He was talking about a national sales tax ON TOP OF THE EXISTING TAX CODE DUH DUH DUH!

He’s been a FAIR TAX proponent for over a decade for crying out loud.


29 posted on 10/23/2011 5:15:40 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: GeronL

“I think as President he would sign a flat tax if it came to his desk.”

I think a consumption tax is the only way to go... Sorry.


30 posted on 10/23/2011 5:16:51 PM PDT by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: GeronL

We already have a national sales tax on phone bills, tires, cig’s, alcohol...and more. So what do you mean a brand new federal tax? There should be sales taxes and import taxes and NEVER a tax on income just as the founders had it.


31 posted on 10/23/2011 5:17:08 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: JOHN W K
The fact is, Herman is now proposing a new tax, a national retail sales tax, in addition to taxing corporate profits and incomes, and also would tax the wages working people earn.

You are correct in that Herman Cain's plan would add a new tax, and his plan definately has some serious problems that I would like to see corrected. That being said, his plan, or the flat tax proposed by Perry and Gingrich, would remove the Social Security and Medicare taxes which Congress likes to pretend are separate from the general revenues. It would also remove capital gains taxes and 10,000,000 words from the current tax code. The people who should fear his plan most are tax attorneys, accountants, lobbyists and tax preparers. All those people would need job training when their industries disappeared. And that's not a bad thing.

32 posted on 10/23/2011 5:17:08 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: ken21
You mean Mark Levin doesn’t agree with our founding father’s expressed intentions and beliefs under which our Constitution was adopted?

JWK

Those who reject abiding by the intentions and beliefs under which our Constitution was agree to, [u]as those intentions and beliefs may be documented from historical records,[/u] wish to remove the anchor and rudder of our constitutional system so they may then be free to “interpret” the Constitution to mean whatever they wish it to mean.

33 posted on 10/23/2011 5:17:34 PM PDT by JOHN W K
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To: Lazlo in PA

LOL, love the photo, Thanks for the post!!!

Ravenstar


34 posted on 10/23/2011 5:17:34 PM PDT by Ravenstar (Reinstitute the Constitution as the Ultimate Law of the Land)
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To: ken21
You mean Mark Levin doesn’t agree with our founding father’s expressed intentions and beliefs under which our Constitution was adopted?

JWK

Those who reject abiding by the intentions and beliefs under which our Constitution was agree to, [u]as those intentions and beliefs may be documented from historical records,[/u] wish to remove the anchor and rudder of our constitutional system so they may then be free to “interpret” the Constitution to mean whatever they wish it to mean.

35 posted on 10/23/2011 5:17:47 PM PDT by JOHN W K
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Play with this. The string can be rolled up slowly.


36 posted on 10/23/2011 5:17:47 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: GeronL

I don’t like the carve outs for Detroit or the folks under the poverty line either, but overall it’s not a bad plan - and this attack hit piece is totally mumbo jumbo.


37 posted on 10/23/2011 5:17:47 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: GeronL
I think as President he would sign a flat tax if it came to his desk.

Well, two of those "nines" are flat taxes.

38 posted on 10/23/2011 5:19:48 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: JOHN W K

I’m still voting for Cain.

Betcha Rush will too. Nice try, RINOmney supporter.


39 posted on 10/23/2011 5:20:21 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: JOHN W K
to give another taxing power to Congress with which to ``lie, deceive, manipulate and destroy this country``?

Congress has always had the power to tax sales. Sales taxes and tariffs were the original plan. They could easily be made uniform. Property and Capitation taxes would be more difficult to enact because they had to be apportioned. Any item imported into a state could only be taxed by the federal government until the Constitution was torn up after the Civil War.

You need to get your facts straight.

40 posted on 10/23/2011 5:21:27 PM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: JOHN W K

Polybius, is that you?

(I thought you got banned.)


41 posted on 10/23/2011 5:21:51 PM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: JOHN W K

I was about ready to flame you until I read the article. Herman is not clear about the difference between a flat or a retail sales tax at the national level and the fair tax. The article is a legitimate point to the confusion around the sales tax options.


42 posted on 10/23/2011 5:22:23 PM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: JOHN W K

Juan Who Knows? How sacrilegious.


43 posted on 10/23/2011 5:22:35 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: JOHN W K

You’re gonna sound just like Roseanne Roseannadanna after you catch up on the facts of Cain’s tax plan.


44 posted on 10/23/2011 5:22:51 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: ken21

The vanity poster thinks he knows more about the Constitution and federalism than Levin and Rush. What he is proving is that he knows less about the 999 plan than even David Gregory - which is to say, he doesn’t understand sh-t about it....


45 posted on 10/23/2011 5:23:11 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: ConservativeMind

That should read VAT not flat. My voice transcriber did not transcribe that correctly.


46 posted on 10/23/2011 5:24:17 PM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...
The fact is, Herman is now proposing a new tax, a national retail sales tax, in addition to taxing corporate profits and incomes, and also would tax the wages working people earn... So, why do so many "conservatives" support this Washington Establishment Hobson's Choice candidate whose mission is to give another taxing power to Congress... And why is it that our "conservative" talk show hosts give this former federal reserve bank chairman, a Washington Establishment insider, a pass on his "opportunity zones" which attack our free market system? ...a wolf in sheep's clothing whose mission is admittedly designed to further erode the defined and limited powers of our federal government...

47 posted on 10/23/2011 5:24:46 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: JOHN W K

You have no understanding of his plan. First step(though done at the same time) throw out the present tax code, replace with 9-9-9. Economy will then boom and even if it starts at the same level it is now the plan is revenue neutral. If Economy goes booming then it will bring in more! Allowing us after a few years, like 2 years, to go to the fair tax! Also do you think the present monstrosity or any of the plans that simply mess around the edges agree with our founding fathers?!?

Ravenstar


48 posted on 10/23/2011 5:26:29 PM PDT by Ravenstar (Reinstitute the Constitution as the Ultimate Law of the Land)
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To: ConservativeMind

A VAT is product oriented and is a process tax.


49 posted on 10/23/2011 5:27:00 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Future Snake Eater
Are you honestly comparing Cain’s plan to the beast we have today? Do you prefer the current code? What alternative(s) do you propose?

I support the 32 word plan which would return us to our Constitution's ORIGINAL TAX PLAN as our founders intended it to operate:

The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money

So, which of our Republican presidential hopefuls will take up the cause and defend our founding father’s original tax plan, and work to put an end to the class warfare game which is proposed to continue under Herman's plan?

JWK

“…a national revenue must be obtained; but the system must be such a one, that, while it secures the object of revenue it shall not be oppressive to our constituents.”___ Madison, during the creation of our Nation`s First Revenue Raising Act

50 posted on 10/23/2011 5:27:07 PM PDT by JOHN W K
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