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Rick Perry's Strategy Does Not Require "Destroying" Anyone
Rick Perry Report ^ | Oct 24, 2011 | Joe Hyde

Posted on 10/24/2011 2:39:59 AM PDT by bullypulpit

Robert "The Other" McCain writes in HotAir.com Sunday that Perry's "prime directive" is to destroy Herman Cain. The Other McCain could not be more wrong. Herman Cain has risen in the polls, as Rick Perry's poll numbers have plummeted, because Cain is seen at the glamour candidate of the moment that is Not Mitt Romney.

Cain is more than that, though. Cain is likeable, and even among Perry supporters like myself, admired. Besides that, if you ask my wife, the chicks dig him.

You cannot "destroy" a candidate that is so adorable that the chicks dig him.

Nor can you "destroy" a candidate that blew open the doors, laying the groundwork for the to-be-announced Perry "Cut, Balance and Grow" economic plan. Steve Forbes, in endorsing Rick Perry for president Sunday, noted that even with the sales tax in Cain's 9-9-9 plan, "that people loved the idea of the simplification of this horrific tax code."

Perry's immediate task is to do what Perry is doing right now: Provide a compelling reason to vote for Rick Perry. His jobs and energy plan released last week was one step in that direction. Tuesday's flat tax plan announcement is another.

(Excerpt) Read more at rickperryreport.com ...


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: 2012; formerdemocratperry; gop; hermancain; larazarick; openborders; rickperry; rinoperry

1 posted on 10/24/2011 2:40:07 AM PDT by bullypulpit
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To: bullypulpit

If Perry finds himself in dire straights, he has nobody but his self to blame

He’s the one who turned in poor debate performances and spooked the GOP base with immigration issues, not Herman Cain

He walked into it a frontrunner, and he certainly “destroyed” Michele Bachmann’s hard earned momentum- and for what? He’s now in single digits in the polls.

With his jobs record, all he had to do was not screw up... but he did, BIG time


2 posted on 10/24/2011 2:48:02 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: bullypulpit

He’s already destroyed the Ricardo Perry candidacy, so that’s somthing...


3 posted on 10/24/2011 2:57:53 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Exactly. He walks in the instant leader because of the "reported" record and offers nothing else but "I'm here! Let's party"

So he offers nothing new and bold with his signature on it as "his plan" and we are supposed to get excited about his intellectual insights to take Sarah Palin's Drill Baby Drill for his economic plan and then add to it with Steve Forbes' Flat Tax to boot?

Gee how original is that? Not to mention it took him four weeks to come up with the drilling and another two for the Flat Tax. Combined it has been almost 10 weeks since he announced his candidacy.

Let's Party!

4 posted on 10/24/2011 3:30:47 AM PDT by mazda77 (and I am a Native Texan)
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To: bullypulpit

I’m glad to see the earlier report refuted. From what I’ve seen of Governor Perry (not all that much other than his campaign speeches and debates), the earlier report does not seem his style at all. Our candidates can debate the merits of each others’ candidacies but it is beneath all of them to go on attack mode. Perry’s argument to Romney during the debate was feeble but I believe that he may have been convinced to do that, in other words, that is not his natural tendency.

Time to move forward...we know who the real opponent is...0bama.


5 posted on 10/24/2011 4:27:16 AM PDT by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: Reaganite Republican
Perry is in dire straits and has nobody but himself to blame. He turned in poor debate performances and spooked the GOP base with immigration issues, not Herman Cain. He walked in a frontrunner, “destroying” Michele Bachmann’s hard-earned momentum - and for what? He’s now polling single digits.....all he had to do was not screw up... but he did, BIG time

N-i-c-e take.........deserves a repeat.

Perry did not even officially enter the Iowa caucus----he cunningly manipulated the vote from Texas---that was supposed to take him over the top. Instead he got 700-800 pitiful write-ins, while Michele and the other winners got 4000 votes. He stomped all over Michele's hard fought win, announcing his candidacy on the day she won.

The Perry-pimponistas were cued to say "Rick won"---and there he was waving and smiling in front of Iowa banners---like he was the winner.

Ricky promised Texans he would not run for president if they reelected him Governor----AT THE SAME TIME he raised $55 million for a WH race. This calculating conman entered the 2012 race with three PACs (that we know of) teeming with millions.

While America has elected incoherent Texas governors in the past, Perry is probably the worst candidate ever to enter a presidential race. His precipitous downfall, engineered by his own stupidity, is one for the political history books.

6 posted on 10/24/2011 4:38:16 AM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We can’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: Liz
While America has elected incoherent Texas governors in the past, Perry is probably the worst candidate ever to enter a presidential race. His precipitous downfall, engineered by his own stupidity, is one for the political history books.

Even IF Perry were to secure the nomination, Obama and the left would rip him apart on his lousy record managing public monies. Oh wait, they already have...

Perry's Loan Problem

7 posted on 10/24/2011 5:02:52 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Rick Perry engages in corporate welfare via Texas TEF/ETF)
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To: Liz

Well said, Liz. Particularly your comments about Michele Bachmann. The Perry crazies here at FR were programmed to destroy her not just as a candidate but as a woman. It was unforgiveable and, in the end, turned me off Perry for all time.


8 posted on 10/24/2011 5:12:47 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Let's have a Cain Mutiny!)
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To: SueRae
You are right Sue, and what some on FR don't understand because they have emotionally jumped from candidate to candidate, is most Perry supporters like Cain too.

When Cain made the comment about the rock and the comment about Perry being his VP it bothered me, because they seem like natural allies. Perry had also just made complimentary comments about Cain. That is when I began to wonder about a Cain/Romney team up.

I also don't like Cain's comments about black Empowerment Zones, but those things aside, I like Cain. Even when certain Freepers get downright nasty toward Perry, I would not put that at Cain's feet.

I am looking for the best candidate and I think that is Perry.

By the way, a month and a half ago Cain and Perry's numbers were reversed. There is 2 1/2 months to go till Iowa. Didn't Huckabee win Iowa?

9 posted on 10/24/2011 5:13:52 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: bullypulpit
Perry's immediate task is to do what Perry is doing right now: Provide a compelling reason to vote for Rick Perry. His jobs and energy plan released last week was one step in that direction. Tuesday's flat tax plan announcement is another.

Sounds like a good plan. Perry is following a measured strategy that I think is going to carry him for the long haul. I hope he succeeds.

10 posted on 10/24/2011 5:17:26 AM PDT by alicewonders (Make what Americans buy, buy what Americans make, and sell it to the world.)
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To: alicewonders

Plowing the field is how I see it.


11 posted on 10/24/2011 5:32:04 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

He took a giant step toward righting the ship Sat. night in Iowa. http://theiowarepublican.com/2011/perry-regains-his-footing-at-iffc-event/


12 posted on 10/24/2011 5:34:13 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: miss marmelstein
Miss, you can't get emotional or excuse me, you can't let that emotion move you too far. I get angry at Perry being compared to a rapist and a porno loving homosexual and that has been insinuated by people on FR.That has nothing to do with Cain or Bachman for that matter. That is someone sitting in front of their computer emoting

Bachman is a tough woman and can handle the rigors of the Presidential race. She is a constitutional lawyer, she gives and she gets as does everyone. Bachman could endorse Rick Perry at some point for all we know. She could endorse Cain or she could turn this thing around.

Not one of the candidates running as Republicans are evil people. They all have pros and con's and at some point we are going to have to rally around the nominee.

Because someone posts a comment about Perry being a rapist that can't take no for an answer, or that he is a homosexual who owns porno stores, has no bearing on the candidate they support. It speaks more of the person who posts those things.

13 posted on 10/24/2011 5:39:31 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: TADSLOS
Thanks for the link---you can be those "govt loans" went only to Perry donors.

The "Governor's Gusher" was an investigative report that showed how Perry used Texas govt agencies as a personal cash machine. One donor even got his own regulatory agency---for a price.

Mrs P headed Texans Against Sexual Assault---and got govt grants from her husband's office.

I can also tell you how easily the "loans" and "grants" got laundered back into campaign coffers.

Can you say conflict of interest and money-laundering (which goes hand-in-hand with tax fraud)?

14 posted on 10/24/2011 5:41:47 AM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We can’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: bullypulpit
Rick Perry's Strategy Does Not Require "Destroying" Anyone

I disagree.He destroyed himself. That counts as one...

16 posted on 10/24/2011 5:51:34 AM PDT by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Liz
He stomped all over Michele's hard fought win, announcing his candidacy on the day she won.

Bingo. That will go down as the only real achievement of Perry's candidacy: the destruction of Bachman's. It's even possible that the Perry surge (now collapsed) was crucial in discouraging Palin from running. Now conservatives are down to one candidate--Cain, and as much as I like him, it's not healthy to have all our eggs in one basket.

17 posted on 10/24/2011 5:52:28 AM PDT by hellbender
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To: Reaganite Republican

He has a record of leftism of which open borders is only a part.
Texans were never, ever, going to let him slide.

His debate performance just speeded up what was going to happen anyway.


18 posted on 10/24/2011 6:33:08 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: normy

I don’t think anyone (that I’m aware of) has accused Perry of being either a homosexual or a rapist. But then I don’t read every post here. It seems to me that most of the attacks (mine included) have been about his very bad performance in the debates and the appearance that he can’t string two words together. Also, his positions on illegal aliens, pay-to-play, etc. A lot of us have used sarcasm and humor to get our points across and we, in turn, have been the subject of jokes and attacks. In other words, we give as good as we get.

My problem with the Bachmann attacks were that so many of them were attacks on her womanliness. It was almost as if FR had turned into a misogynist hate fest. And a lot of it came from the Perry camp.


19 posted on 10/24/2011 6:50:38 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Let's have a Cain Mutiny!)
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To: normy

As an aside...not the main event...Bachmann is a Tax Attorney who just happens to love the Constitution, not a Constitutional Lawyer.


20 posted on 10/24/2011 6:58:12 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...HOLD TO THE TRUTH; SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: normy

“I also don’t like Cain’s comments about black Empowerment Zones, but those things aside, I like Cain.”

They’re not BLACK empowerment zones. The zones would apply to ANY community where there is very high unemployment and few opportunities for the people living there. As I understand it, the states themselves will choose which areas are in the greatest need - they put in an application and the fed will pick the best ones.

Black, white, Hispanic... I’m quite sure some American Indian areas will qualify.

Empowerment zones are race neutral.


21 posted on 10/24/2011 7:11:22 AM PDT by Marie (Cain 9s Have Teeth)
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To: MrEdd

(Sarcasm Alert)

So right.

All leftists as you call him, are pro life, pro military, pro gun, pro states rights, against the EPA and Global Warming, have called SS a Ponzi Scheme and a monstrous lie to our young people, have said Bernanke better not print money between now and the election, have written a book against Federal Government illicit power, have written a book in praise of Boy Scout values including their exclusion of homosexuals from Scouting, support traditional marriage, have publicly said they don’t believe in the theory of evolution and...
/sarcasm

I could go on, but I have better things to do with my time than extend a list that is already mind blowing in showing how utterly absurd it is to lie that he is a leftist.


22 posted on 10/24/2011 7:12:01 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...HOLD TO THE TRUTH; SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: miss marmelstein; Liz

The wasting of Bachmann’s candidacy was about the worst thing the GOP could have done... for me, she’s the real conservative in the race.

At min, her voice was needed in the debate, rather than ignored like now- Bachmann/Bolton or something like that would have worked for me!


23 posted on 10/24/2011 7:22:16 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: Marie

Except, why does the Federal Government have the power or the right to do that?

Except, if you are poor, including the working poor, and you don’t live in a chosen empowerment zone, you are out of luck.

Except, areas tend to be racial or ethnic in large portion, with those of a particular race or ethnicity dominating that area.

From my observation, those areas are usually not white, not anglo. There can be exceptions such as maybe in poor appalachia or the ozarks or some places like those, but for the most part there aren’t large areas of poor whites, rather, whites who are poor tend to be scattered.

A mixed neighborhood...one that is old, built before houses were mass produced that were all the same, contains a mix. Right next door or down or across the street from each other are rich, poor and in between.

The Federal Government needs to mostly go away out of lives, rather than be empowered with empowerment zones...


24 posted on 10/24/2011 7:22:31 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...HOLD TO THE TRUTH; SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: normy
It speaks more of the person who posts those things.

Well and truly said.

I've been around here for many primaries and have observed that the weaker the candidate the more outrageous the posts attacking the candidates seen as a threat to him.

Indeed, the candidates do the same thing revealing themselves as weak and the subject of their attacks as stronger. Why else would they bother?

Or to put it another way, people tend to ignore candidates they don't take seriously.

It is a back-handed compliment to the candidate being being assaulted verbally. But on this forum, it comes at the expense of the poster. Which is to say, the primary season will come to an end very soon whereas resentments are not easily laid aside.

25 posted on 10/24/2011 7:22:59 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Reaganite Republican; miss marmelstein

It creeped me out-—the way Perry stomped on Michelle.

In retrospect, I’m thinking Anita orchestrated the hit on Michelle.

Could be Anita did not want any competition....so Michelle had to go.


26 posted on 10/24/2011 7:28:59 AM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We can’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: Liz

I just saw Michele on one of the morning talk shows - I just can’t remember which one. She was sooooo articulate and so well-put together. Compare her to that blowzy Hillary who looks like she needs a bath and a shave.


27 posted on 10/24/2011 7:33:36 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Let's have a Cain Mutiny!)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Bachmann had a very small chance.

She had to impress people that she was Presidential.

She wasted her chance.

She yelled at her audience too much.

She misspoke again and again. She jumped to conclusions and said things she needed to take more time, study and thought on.

She went over the top. Kept talking on and on until she went too far.

She tells too many emotional stories. She’s told the one from the Bible about Jonathan, I don’t know how many times. She did it again in Iowa. Again, emoting over the top.

She must think she is supposed to be an inspirational speaker. Maybe like Reagan could inspire.

The problem is, Reagan was a pro. He had the perfect ear for his own stuff and for his audience, and he was head of a union and a two term governor of CA. She needed to be more like a Thatcher to convince people she was Presidential, and she couldn’t do it.

I defended her against the slime machine that attacked her here because they despised her candidacy.

She lost me.


28 posted on 10/24/2011 7:36:32 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...HOLD TO THE TRUTH; SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: miss marmelstein

I have specifically shown you posts of someone insinuating perry was like a rapist.


29 posted on 10/24/2011 8:01:08 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: Marie

Then why did Cain refer to them as places with a high concentration of blacks on October 14 th in his CNN interview? Oh right another joke or misunderstanding. Too bad he said it twice.


30 posted on 10/24/2011 8:04:16 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: Marie
I believe in empowerment zones. Most of the unemployed black Americans in this country are in these mostly economically depressed areas. It could be, and I’m only using this as an example, because we haven’t finished establishing the parameters yet. Instead of in a designated empowerment zone, it being 9-9-9, it could be, as an example only, 3-3-3.

What this does, because you have a lot of African-Americans located in cities like Detroit, disproportionately, it would encourage businesses to stay in business there or to move there. It would encourage people to work there, because if you live in the empowerment zone, you’re going to pay a smaller percentage in taxes. Herman Cain Oct. 14th CNN

31 posted on 10/24/2011 8:23:58 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: normy

I’m sorry - really. I must have missed that. Can you repost?


32 posted on 10/24/2011 8:35:32 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Let's have a Cain Mutiny!)
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To: bullypulpit

“You cannot “destroy” a candidate that is so adorable that the chicks dig him.”

Does he mean like Barry Obama. Yeah the Chicks really dug him. UNTIL THEY LOST THEIR JOBS AND HOMES.

Cains 15 is running out. I’m sure he’s getting po’d that people don’t just take what he says at face value. I think we all have learned the hard lesson of not buying the hype.

conservatives don’t want to EXPAND FEDERAL Programs. Cain can’t wait. Just add bell pepper and call it vegie supreme.


33 posted on 10/24/2011 9:33:03 AM PDT by marty60
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To: Liz
Ricky promised Texans he would not run for president if they reelected him Governor----AT THE SAME TIME he raised $55 million for a WH race. This calculating conman entered the 2012 race with three PACs (that we know of) teeming with millions.

Liz, that is false. It's been corrected repeatedly when it appears here at FR. The "55 million" number was a number that they said they WERE GOING TO RAISE during the primaries, once Perry entered the race. None of it was raised before he entered the race.

I realize you don't mind calling his wife and Perry liars, and I won't respond to most of what you write because it's pure propaganda and not worth the time, but I wanted to correct this misstatment of information; we all have the right to our misguided opinions, but not to our own facts.

34 posted on 10/24/2011 9:45:40 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Liz
Thanks for the link---you can be those "govt loans" went only to Perry donors.

Another false "fact". I'm sure you've got others, I usually don't read your comments because they are devoid of useful information, so maybe you make up your own facts all the time and I never noticed it.

You can try to defend your fiction, but realise that if you do, I'll put up the names of at least ONE recipient of a government loan that didn't donate money, and your claim will be proven to be false. Better to just move on and fix your talking points to remove the false charges.

Most of what you wrote in this comment was false, but since it's your opinion, there's no point in refuting it. You'll just make up some more stuff and post it back. Arguing with people who write their own evidence is fruitless.

35 posted on 10/24/2011 9:50:15 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: hellbender

Bachmann was taken out by Palin supporters before Perry entered the race. They were afraid Bachmann would be seen as a suitable substitute for Palin, and that would block Palin from getting into the race.

So the Palin folks started attacking her, first for the Ed Rollins stuff, and then with anonymous charges about Bachmann aides trashing Palin, a claim that Bachmann lied about talking with Palin, and then a story about how Bachmann and Palin were no longer friends.

None of that had anything to do with Perry announcing his candidacy. And the idea that if Perry had just announced his candidacy a week earlier in another state, Bachmann would be winning now is ludicrous. It’s just that once Perry entered, the Palin folks had to move to tearing him down, because HE was blocking the path.

The only reason they haven’t torn down Cain is that Cain was the winner of the musical chairs game — he happened to be rising in the polls at precisely the time Palin announced she wasn’t running, so there was no point.

However, in the week before Palin announced, the Palin supporters here at FR HAD started their campaign against Cain, with a few well-placed articles and vanity posts. They simply gave up when Palin dropped out.


36 posted on 10/24/2011 9:54:37 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

I must have missed all that, I am a Palin supporter who plans on voting for Cain.


37 posted on 10/24/2011 10:01:49 AM PDT by JerseyDvl (Sometimes the road less traveled.... is less traveled for a reason.)
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To: Marie
Herman Cain on black empowerment zones:
I believe in empowerment zones. Most of the unemployed black Americans in this country are in these mostly economically depressed areas. It could be, and I’m only using this as an example, because we haven’t finished establishing the parameters yet. Instead of in a designated empowerment zone, it being 9-9-9, it could be, as an example only, 3-3-3.

What this does, because you have a lot of African-Americans located in cities like Detroit, disproportionately, it would encourage businesses to stay in business there or to move there. It would encourage people to work there, because if you live in the empowerment zone, you’re going to pay a smaller percentage in taxes.”

Maybe they are for all of us, but Herman Cain, who likes to call himself a "black American", because apparently being black is as important to him as being American (OK, that was sarcastic, but he could call himself an American black), specifically mentioned black people when talking about his empowerment zones (I'm still getting used to not calling them "enterprise zones", like they were called until Cain's group did some research and found that people thought "enterprise zones" sounded too liberal).

I guess it is too much to ask that a black person think of themselves as just American, like us insensitive white people do, or that they not think of every liberal government giveaway they dream up as being for everybody.

Of course, I want to figure out who I have to donate money to to buy off the politicians so my county gets to be an enterprise zone and I can pay less in taxes.

I feel sorry for businesses who are just outside of these "empowerment zones". Everybody will just cross into the zone to shop, because they'll save 6-9% sales tax. And so sooner or later, the areas surrounding these zones will be economically depressed, and they too can be an "enterprize zone".

I seen a statement that Cain wants the whole country to be an empowerment zone, but I don't know if Cain actually said that. If it means paying lower taxes, I think we all want to be in an empowerment zone. But apparently you can only be "empowered" if you live in a failed economic area. Successful people SHOULD pay more in taxes to support the economically unsuccessful businesses and individuals. That's the New American Way.

38 posted on 10/24/2011 10:06:28 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Liz

Sure, why not just double-down and attack Anita Perry with more made-up charges. At least you couched it in “opinion” words.

But it is sad that you can be “creeped out” by a candidate announcing his candidacy. Apparently in the fictional world you live in, candidates NEVER try to do things for their own political advantage, and it is considered unfair for them to do so. Or it creeps them out or something.

What should creep you out is how you so freely you attack people you don’t know, charging them with unsubstantiated allegations of wrongdoing.

As to your last claim, Perry is a good Christian man, so his wife would have no reason to fear competition from Michelle Bachmann, who is also a good Christian woman married to a nice man. Why you would think otherwise is beyond me.


39 posted on 10/24/2011 10:32:28 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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