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Appalled by Qaddafi’s Murder
The Thinking Housewife ^ | Laura Wood

Posted on 10/24/2011 2:50:06 PM PDT by ventanax5

I saw the grisly footage of Qaddafi’s murder on television. I had first to turn off the sound. Then, ashamed, I turned off the television. I have nothing more to say than that I am appalled that my country had anything to do with this grotesque caricature of justice. Actually, to call it a grotesque caricature of justice is to trivialize it. I have no words for it.

I’m not naive and I realize that the U.S. has taken part in assassinations, killings, etc., but there is something about this that simply takes my breath away. I want nothing to do with it. I’m in a complete state of dissociation with our political leaders, Republican and Democrat. I am thoroughly disaffected.

I’m not exactly mourning Qaddafi’s death. He was a very bad man who killed Americans. But what do you do? He seems to have reformed a bit in latter years. He stuck to his treaties and stopped baiting the U.S. He even said a few conciliatory, realistic things about Israel. I’m not saying this turned him into a Good Guy, but it showed he was sane. Now he’s gone and we’re supposed to rejoice? No thank you! Libya will turn to hell.

I do not believe I am alone in feeling so disgusted with just about everything, except my own life, which is going rather well. So I can’t be accused of generalizing my own misery. I am not miserable. Our politics is.

Laura writes:

I am appalled too. The average American seems to accept the media’s pro-democracy fairy tale. Our country took part in the assassination of someone who posed no imminent threat to us and, in doing so, aided avowed enemies. This is not a fairy tale, but a horror story.

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1 posted on 10/24/2011 2:50:10 PM PDT by ventanax5
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To: ventanax5

Ditto.


2 posted on 10/24/2011 2:53:34 PM PDT by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: ventanax5
I want nothing to do with it. I’m in a complete state of dissociation with our political leaders, Republican and Democrat. I am thoroughly disaffected.

I agree.

3 posted on 10/24/2011 2:59:08 PM PDT by corlorde (Drone strikes: the preferred method of killing by Nobel peace prize winners since 2009)
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To: ventanax5

I’m appalled by the hypocrisy of the left.

Had things played out like this while Bush was president they would be outside the White house now demanding his extradition to the Hague.


4 posted on 10/24/2011 3:03:00 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: ventanax5
Libya will turn to hell.

Along with every other nation rejoicing in the "Arab spring."

5 posted on 10/24/2011 3:03:00 PM PDT by grellis (I am Jill's overwhelming sense of disgust.)
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To: grellis

The Obama radicalization of the mideast makes mohammad look like a piker.


6 posted on 10/24/2011 3:04:22 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: ventanax5

Sometimes I wonder if some of the angels said behind closed doors, “you know, I kind of wonder if Lucifer got a bad rap. I mean he isn’t really that bad once you get to know him”.

Maybe stupidity really does go ALL the way up the ladder.


7 posted on 10/24/2011 3:06:30 PM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: ventanax5

I’m appalled, too. I’m appalled at some of the cruel and inhuman things some of our forebears did in Europe who knows how far back? I don’t think Americans did it but they enabled it.


8 posted on 10/24/2011 3:07:36 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: ventanax5
The public isn't buying anything. Gaddafi is dead. That's a good thing. There's nothing more to consider.

People who want to make more of it than it's worth forget that this fascist pig murdered innocent civilians ~ he bombed commercial passenger airplanes ~

I don't forget.

9 posted on 10/24/2011 3:07:52 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: ventanax5

Arab Spring is not for the faint of heart.

My name for 2011 is Year of the Angry Mob, from the Arab Spring uprisings to the Wisconsin public employee unions to flash mobs looting stores to Occupy Wall Street/Cleveland/The Tundra, etc., to so many other local incidents, e.g., protests v. “police brutality” in Fullerton, crowds outside of courtrooms threatening defendants (Casey Anthony) or prosecutors, depending; marches demanding “rights” more than ever.

The more these angry mobs get their demands met, the more we will see them as “solutions.”


10 posted on 10/24/2011 3:10:45 PM PDT by La Enchiladita
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To: ventanax5
I am appalled that my country had anything to do with this grotesque caricature of justice.

You may have felt differently if your kid had been on Pan Am Flight 103 in '88. And a lot of kids were on that flight -- 35 Syracuse students were on their way back from a semester studying abroad. A friend of mine who was attending Syracuse at the time knew a couple of them.

Kaddafi was a terrorist -- a piece of camel turd, just like Bin Laden. And I don't give a rip how he was killed. Would you've minded seeing Mussolini strung up in 1945 without a trial? I certainly wouldn't have. Trials aren't always necessary for justice to be served.

11 posted on 10/24/2011 3:13:52 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo

Eight year ago the United States made peace with Kaddafi, and put paid to the history between our two countries, including the Lockerbie bombing. The best and the brightest hailed this peace as a wonderful vindication of Bush’s foreign policy. U.S. officials including Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Sen. John McCain, and President Obama had friendly meetings with Kaddafi over the years, speaking of their desire to advance the two countries’ bilateral relationship.

Kaddafi never violated his agreements with us and never became a threat to us or our allies. He spoke in the warmest terms of the United States and of Obama. Yet the instant that people whom we chose to call democrats rose up in rebellion against him, our ideology and what we perceived as our political self-interest required that we side against him. We attacked his country, bombed his military and his government, bombed his residence, drove him from power, and now we have killed him.
I will not become a moral relativist and make the despicable statement, which some on the anti-war right and the European New Right have made in the past, that the U.S. is as immoral as the Soviet Union. Nevertheless, there is now significant and terrible overlap between the behavior of the U.S.S.R and the behavior of the United States. We are not a moral state; we are not a state under the rule of law. We are, as Solzhenitsyn said of the Soviet Union, an ideological state, a state that will do anything, violate any agreement, betray any ally or friend, tell any lie, cover up any truth, in order to advance its ideology and its power that is associated with that ideology.


12 posted on 10/24/2011 3:19:07 PM PDT by ventanax5
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To: Aliska
. . . some of our forebears did in Europe who knows how far back? I don’t think Americans did it but they enabled it.

Wait. If our forebears did it who knows how far back, then they weren't Americans. They were Brits and other Europeans and -probably some Asians, too.
13 posted on 10/24/2011 3:22:11 PM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a U.S. Marine.)
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To: Mr. Mojo

I knew a Girl on that flight. 20 yrs old.

I enjoyed the video, sound on.


14 posted on 10/24/2011 3:22:39 PM PDT by reefdiver ("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
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To: ventanax5

Libya has just gone from the cruel dictatorship of one man to the cruel dictatorship of an ideology.


15 posted on 10/24/2011 3:22:39 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: ventanax5
Well said.

BTW the interim government has already told us to forget about them handing over al-Magrehi. So much for justice.

16 posted on 10/24/2011 3:24:07 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter

We have boots on the ground, spec ops and air controllers. If we wanted al-Magrehi it would be a simple matter. Could he be any more difficult to find then Qaddafi? I think not!

Obama has sided with the Sodomites to destroy Israel and The United States of America.

FUBO


17 posted on 10/24/2011 3:37:10 PM PDT by TsonicTsunami08
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To: ventanax5
Eight year ago the United States made peace with Kaddafi, and put paid to the history between our two countries, including the Lockerbie bombing. The best and the brightest hailed this peace as a wonderful vindication of Bush’s foreign policy.... Kaddafi never violated his agreements with us and never became a threat to us or our allies. He spoke in the warmest terms of the United States and of Obama... We attacked his country, bombed his military and his government, bombed his residence, drove him from power, and now we have killed him. I will not become a moral relativist...

I can't read any further. I will surely puke. You ARE a moral relativist. The monster killed far more people than Charlie Manson ever did. If Manson started speaking in warm terms of the US and Obama, would you have us commute his sentence? All is forgiven? What about justice? What about the innocent people who died in the Lockerbie bombing?

I'm only sorry it took this long and Obama gets some of the credit.

No tears for Gaddafi. Live by the sword, die by it.

18 posted on 10/24/2011 3:39:10 PM PDT by Lady Lucky ( Living well IS the best revenge...and still legal.)
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To: ventanax5

I really hate this ivory tower attitude.

“We should have *arrested* Hitler and Osama bin Laden and put them on trial!”

Even when the US was fighting pirates off Africa, after having spent a large portion of the federal budget for years trying to bribe them to leave our ships alone, federal judges in the US wanted the US Navy, fighting the pirates, whenever they captured some, to transport them back on our few warships, leaving the battle, just so that the judges could try them in court.

What utter nonsense. British ship captains, doing the same thing as our captains, were permitted to try pirates on the spot, and hang them on their own ships, then set to slowly sink.

So US ships captains, when they would capture pirates, suddenly began to note that they had captured them in the British patrol areas, so the pirates had to be turned over to the British for hanging.

The bottom line is that Qaddafi was a murderous tyrant, who likely ordered the bombing of an aircraft, killing 270 people, most of whom were American soldiers. He died because the people of his nation, oppressed under his long and brutal reign, hated him with burning ferocity.

Trial? To hell with that idea. The only regret for Libyans is that they didn’t get to slowly torture him to death.

It also makes me sneer about the political leaders who condemned his killing, because they are deeply afraid of “regicide”, and can imagine the noose around their own necks. Cowards who think themselves to good and important to be killed like peasants they without hesitation send to war to die just as ingloriously.


19 posted on 10/24/2011 3:41:11 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: ventanax5

Excellent comment!


20 posted on 10/24/2011 3:42:44 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Is it true that cannibals don't eat clowns because they taste funny?)
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To: Lady Lucky
Personally speaking, its not about tears for Qadaffi. Its about siding with people who are no better. Its about helping throw over an 'ally'(like it or not, he was an ally in the WOT). And its about helping usher in another islamic state which surely will be helping kill Americans for years to come, like modern islamic states tend to do.

All things considered, I think we'll have ended up cutting off our nose for a little short term 'payback' gratification here.

21 posted on 10/24/2011 3:45:15 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: ventanax5

As far as I am concerned, the man who was responsible for the Lockerbie bombing got what was coming to him.


22 posted on 10/24/2011 3:47:10 PM PDT by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: ventanax5
Eight year ago the United States made peace with Kaddafi,

At the point of a gun -- by threatening to blow his terrorist ass to hell if he didn't abandon his WMD program. That's the only language he and his Arab brethren understand. A "friend" or "ally", he wasn't.

...and now we have killed him.

Too bad he wasn't killed back in '86 at the Bab al-Azizia compound during Operation El Dorado Canyon. ...which Reagan ordered.

23 posted on 10/24/2011 3:47:30 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: righttackle44
If our forebears did it who knows how far back, then they weren't Americans.

True, I was thinking of the culture from which I sprang, all Western European countries, maybe one Native American out of thousands; no one knows.

Well, colonial American had its cruelties, but improved over the worst of what happened in Europe. A lot of hypocrisy and duplicity that exists to this day.

Don't have any Asian ancestors maybe many many centuries back. I don't know if they enjoyed the spectacle of suffering like some French and English did. There are accounts of persons who could not be executioners, etc., and I don't know what motivated the others, the pay, blood lust, hard to imagine.

I'm not trying to paint us as all one way or the other.

24 posted on 10/24/2011 3:47:40 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Mr. Mojo

I’m not defending him , I’m defending the agreement.


25 posted on 10/24/2011 3:59:57 PM PDT by ventanax5
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To: skeeter

That may be, but it has nothing to do with the statements made by the poster to whom I was responding.

Personally speaking here, I think the sooner islam congeals into a single “caliphate,” the sooner we can whack Mecca, even if the next terror attack on us comes from Tehran.

99% of islam is united, and of one piece, in its ideology and goals. An attack from one needs to be considered an attack from all.

Maybe if enough “islamic states” crop up, we’ll be able to see them for what they are: one.


26 posted on 10/24/2011 4:00:51 PM PDT by Lady Lucky ( Living well IS the best revenge...and still legal.)
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To: Mr. Mojo

all that is so true Mr Mojo, but doesnt it make you go “hmmm” that just two years ago Senators McCain Granmnesty and Lieberman were in Libya shaking Qadaffi’s hand and Senator Suzy Dits Collins dropped him a curtsy “in a spirit of mutual respect anfd friendship”?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYVWT_kDTsU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNfztA1i0ts

And that Qadaffi was allowed to come here to NY and sat two seats from the President of the USA obama and shook HIS hand too?

Osama Bin Laden gets a muslim funeral on the fantail of a US carrier while the Brits (who don’t even get oil from Libya) blow Qadaffis’ convoy to bits as he runs away, and drive him into the arms of a screaming demonic lynch mob who are our new “allies”... and obama congratulates the “people of Libya” on this step toward democracy?

Really, now? Is that what democracy is? Can the Tea Party get some quality time with Nancy Pelosi then (sarc)?

WTF is going on here?


27 posted on 10/24/2011 4:00:51 PM PDT by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common - Voltaire)
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To: Mr. Mojo

By Ted Belman

http://www.israpundit.com/archives/40676#comments

As readers of Israpundit know full well, I have been very critical of the West for its attack on Libya. I went so far as to suggest all the people and groups who are incessant in their attacks on Israel, are complicit or asleep when it comes to the war on Libya.

Today Robert E Kaplan called me to discuss certain happenings and he pointed out to me the writings of John Rosenthal who had written that

Actually, there are reasons to doubt Libyan responsibility for both the Berlin disco bombing and the Lockerbie bombing.
Re. the Berlin disco bombing, I think most Americans don’t realize that the bomber was in fact German. She was tried and convicted. She had been married to a Palestinian guy who is alleged to have had contacts with Libyan intelligence – though she was no longer even married to him at the time that she planted the bomb.

Re Lockerbie, the evidence for Megrahi’s – and by extension, Libyan – involvement is extremely circumstantial. One of the UN’s own official observers of the Scottish trial, Hans Köchler, has denounced the proceedings as a miscarriage of justice. (See here for related documents.) There is again a German connection – the suitcase containing the bomb was loaded onto a flight originating in Frankfurt – and it even appears that German authorities quashed leads that pointed elsewhere: namely, to Palestinian terrorists. See here, for instance. If one connects all the dots, it certainly seems plausible that Libya and Qaddafi were used as scapegoats and that “Uncle Sucker,” as you say, fell for it.

Rosenthal also wrote, A Political Court: The ICC, Gaddafi, and Libyan Rebel War Crimes

Last month, to much fanfare, the International Criminal Court issued arrest warrants for Muammar al-Gaddafi, his son Saif al-Islam al-Gaddafi, and Libyan military intelligence chief Abdullah Al-Senussi. ICC chief prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo had filed an application for the warrants in May. Among those celebrating the court’s decision was, of course, the Libyan opposition’s National Transitional Council (NTC), which promised to assemble a special commando unit to arrest Gaddafi. The head of the NTC Executive Council, Mahmud Jibril, even flew to The Hague to mark the occasion. The ICC website features a photograph of Moreno-Ocampo shaking hands with Jibril on the steps of the court.

Hardly anything could better illustrate the essentially political nature of the International Criminal Court. As is well known, Libyan government forces and alleged mercenaries in the pay of the Libyan government have been accused in media reports of deliberately killing civilians and committing other atrocities. These reports have served as the justification for western military intervention in Libya under the mantle of UN Security Council Resolution 1973. As is less well-known, there is extensive and virtually incontrovertible evidence of horrific atrocities committed by rebel forces in the territories under their control.

Indeed, the rebels’ contempt for the traditional laws and customs of war is so flagrant that the most telling evidence consists of videos that appear to have been filmed by rebels or rebel sympathizers themselves, either as “trophies” or for purposes of intimidation. One did not need to wait for Human Rights Watch tentatively to acknowledge abuses committed by rebel forces in four western Libyan towns, as it did last week. The video evidence of rebel atrocities has been readily available for months now, almost from the very start of the rebellion. The atrocities depicted in the videos include at least two beheadings, two public hangings, one lynching, several beatings, a summary execution of a group of up to 22 captured soldiers (the so-called Al-Baida Massacre), grotesquely inhumane and demeaning treatment of prisoners, and numerous other more minor violations of humanitarian law.

Diana West wrote

Timing is everything. Qaddafi was not killed in retaliation for his attacks on American servicemen in Berlin in 1986, or the downing of Pan Am 103 over Lockerbie in 1989. He was not killed for his central role in the USSR’s terror networks going back to the 1960s and 1970s. He was killed after coming over to our side of George Bush’s “war on terror” in the final phase of a civil war in Libya in which his regime fought al Qaeda affiliates.
Horrific as it sounds, Qaddafi was killed because we and our NATO allies joined the other side — the al Qaeda affiliates.

In this article she quotes Lawrence Auster who wrote,

We are not a moral state; we are not a state under the rule of law. We are, as Solzhenitsyn said of the Soviet Union, an ideological state, a state that will do anything, violate any agreement, betray any ally or friend, tell any lie, cover up any truth, in order to advance its ideology and its power that is associated with that ideology.
In betraying and killing a foreign leader with whom we had made peace, we have taken on terrible karma. I tremble to think of how that karma will manifest itself against us in the years to come.

These three authors have been consistent in their assessment of the Libya attacks.They are all on the right. I don’t have to quote from Pepe Escobar a leftists, to disclose the reality.

Auster also attacks McCain for supporting this rape. Drudge also sees it our way as does Michelle Bachman (the only candidate to do so).

This is ominous for Israel.

As a side note, the West betrayed Libya for oil. Israel has found a vast amount of gas and oil in her international waters. Lebanon has challenged Israel’s ownership of these resources and she is backed by Turkey who is also threatening Crete in her joint exploration with Israel of her international waters. And guess what? America did not support Israel and Germany supports Turkey.

Beware the West.


28 posted on 10/24/2011 4:05:14 PM PDT by ventanax5
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To: ventanax5

I can’t really muster up any sympathy. Qaddafi was a POS, the world is better off without him, yeah it probably could have gone down in a “cleaner” way, but the world tends to be results oriented, and the result is there’s one less rotten SOB on the planet.


29 posted on 10/24/2011 4:07:45 PM PDT by discostu (How Will I Laugh Tomorrow When I Can't Even Smile Today)
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To: worst-case scenario
As fas as I am concerned the men who ordered the Lockerbie bombing are still sitting in Tehran as their contracted Libyan hit man Qadaffi goes down at the hands of a screaming mob

and their second contract hit man sits in Syria protected by the Russian Navy as he slaughters his people

obama praises the Libyan savages with Blackberries who replaced the Libyan savages with Rolexes, praises the “Libyan people” for their democracy and cautions Egyptian Copts to be patient as they are slaughtered

The hypocrisy of the West on this whole matter is astounding, I don't know how we recover from this schizophrenic foreign policy in which we are tangled

30 posted on 10/24/2011 4:11:47 PM PDT by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common - Voltaire)
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To: ventanax5

You know, there is a whole other world out there and most of ‘em aren’t civilized. When you ask for diversity, you may get some of this.


31 posted on 10/24/2011 4:13:54 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: muawiyah

It is not an issue that he was killed nor the way. Nothing in his death is atypical for that region. What is atypical is the way the Adminstration gloated about it’s “victory.”. “We came, we saw, he died” chuckled Hillary (probably the same reaction when she was told that Vince Foster died). A better response would have bee “We came, we offered surrender he refused and died”. He was a brutal man obviously our “allies” are just as brutal. This is a victory but a hollow one, should have been handled better. Even worse is that it took billions of dollars and months to achieve this pyhrric victory.


32 posted on 10/24/2011 4:19:01 PM PDT by OldGoatCPO
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To: ventanax5
I refuse to grant sainthood to Gaddhafi. He was a weasel who didn't see a terrorist group he didn't like. We didn't pull the trigger on him - another Libyan did. We have nothing to be ashamed of.

If someone is responsible for the next proximate cause of death, it's the French Air Force. They were the ones who shot up the column.

33 posted on 10/24/2011 4:21:59 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, serve my country, love my wife and daughter, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: silverleaf

The Mediterranean has become an incredibly dangerous place in the past year. Radical islamists now control all but two nations in North Africa and I doubt Algeria and Morocco are far behind. We shouldn’t overlook the fact that they now control the Suez canal as well.


34 posted on 10/24/2011 4:21:59 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: ventanax5

Thank you for your posts on this matter.
I agree that the USA was behind his capture and did nothing to make sure he had a trial.
Would that not have been a healing thing for the victims of his treachery? Watch him being accused and then the sentence carried out in public? that’s the civilized way to do things.

It seems our leadership is now on the side of savages and approves of what they did.
Shame on them!


35 posted on 10/24/2011 4:21:59 PM PDT by IceAge
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To: ventanax5

I found it more disturbing that US “Progressives” viewed the film and said.

“Hey Banksters, you are NEXT”. They were specifically referring to the torture and murder of Ghadaffi.

Don’t be mistaken. We have monsters here, to.

There really are monsters. They LOOK just like us. But inside they are full of murder, lies and the love of falsehoods.

Read your bible. Romans chapter 1


36 posted on 10/24/2011 4:24:47 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: BereanBrain
I found it more disturbing that US “Progressives” viewed the film and said. “Hey Banksters, you are NEXT”. They were specifically referring to the torture and murder of Ghadaffi.

Their response is solely based on the letter that is next to the name of the President. Had a Republican been in the White House, they would have been appalled at Gadhafi's fate....instead, they grab the pom poms, when a Democrat is in the White House.

37 posted on 10/24/2011 4:28:23 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: GAB-1955

thought it was the RAF

anyhow, “NATO” R us


38 posted on 10/24/2011 4:29:18 PM PDT by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common - Voltaire)
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To: ventanax5

If Bush and Cheney were in the WH the left of the world would rightly be calling this a war crime.


39 posted on 10/24/2011 4:31:21 PM PDT by pgkdan (("Make what Americans buy, Buy what Americans make, and sell it to the world" Perry 2012)
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To: ventanax5

Hear Hear!


40 posted on 10/24/2011 4:31:45 PM PDT by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common - Voltaire)
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To: Utmost Certainty

Arabs should only be admitted to congresses of civilized nations when they quit exhibiting childish enjoyment in the infliction of pain/suffering upon the helpless ! Spent some time in the ME and saw countless examples of this cultural characteristic ! >PS


41 posted on 10/24/2011 4:31:58 PM PDT by PiperShade
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To: Utmost Certainty

Arabs should only be admitted to congresses of civilized nations when they quit exhibiting childish enjoyment in the infliction of pain/suffering upon the helpless ! Spent some time in the ME and saw countless examples of this cultural characteristic ! >PS


42 posted on 10/24/2011 4:33:22 PM PDT by PiperShade
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To: reefdiver
I knew a Girl on that flight. 20 yrs old.

I had distant connections with two people on the same flight, and much closer ties to several servicemen in the Berlin disco 25 or so years ago. Nope, I'm not sad to see Qaddaffi go, nor am I concerned about a "fair trial" for a mass murderer in a lawless country. I am worried that his replacement will be even worse, but supporting our worst enemies seems to be the current foreign policy.

43 posted on 10/24/2011 4:33:22 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: ventanax5

44 posted on 10/24/2011 4:33:38 PM PDT by McGruff (Hold the House, take the Senate.)
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To: silverleaf
I agree, silverleaf -- all that stuff ticks me off to no end. Especially Obama giving OBL an islamic funeral aboard a U.S. carrier.

This so-called "Arab Spring" could very well result in an islamic caliphate that would make the (relatively) secular regional dictatorships that Saddam, Moammar, and Hosni presided over look like a western democracies by comparison. It's Obama's vision -- a sort of islamic socialist caliphate, where sharia law is the law of the land but the gov't provides the cradle to grave survival needs of its enslaved people. Right up his alley.

But I can't shed a tear or get outraged about Gaddafi getting his street-justice comeuppance. He had his chance at a trial, but chose to fight it out instead.

45 posted on 10/24/2011 4:43:54 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: dfwgator
Had a Republican been in the White House, they would have been appalled at Gadhafi's fate....instead, they grab the pom poms, when a Democrat is in the White House.

Yep, that's their MO. They'd also have hailed the overthrow of Saddam's regime as a "victory against tyranny" had a Dem President been in office at the time and conducted the war precisely as Pres. Bush did. A very transparent bunch.

46 posted on 10/24/2011 4:51:29 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: ventanax5

In the fall of 1963, when South Vietnamese president Ngo Dinh Diem faced an impending coup d’etat, former vice president Richard Nixon warned that the choice facing South Vietnam was not between Diem and someone better but Diem and someone worse—and the chaos that engulfed the country following Diem’s overthrow and murder proved him right.

Even though Qaddafi was no friend of America and the West, as Diem was, the same might be true for Libya.


47 posted on 10/24/2011 5:00:56 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: ventanax5; All

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2052579/Gaddafi-dead-Video-beatings-ordered-Libyas-Foreign-Minister-Musa-Kusa.html


48 posted on 10/24/2011 5:12:13 PM PDT by Charlespg
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To: silverleaf

“schizophrenic foreign policy “

Great analogy right there....


49 posted on 10/24/2011 5:24:58 PM PDT by oust the louse (Obama approval ratings are so low now, Kenyans are accusing him of being born in the United States.)
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To: Pollster1

You know what’s REALLY tiresome? Those who try to buttress their arguments by claiming second-hand victimhood. E.G. “I knew someone who went to school with and may have possibly known someone who was on the Pan Am flight that went down over Lockerbie.”

You get no special status, no moral high ground, people.

The FACT remains that we MURDERED someone.

To support that is to support vigilante justice and the total destruction of any semblance of civilization.

The Bush administration captured a monster and turned him over to the authorities in his native land, for the administration of justice in accordance with their law.

The Obama administration simply went out and murdered their “monster”.

“The ends cannot be used to justify the means” - Thomas Aquinas


50 posted on 10/24/2011 5:29:17 PM PDT by Walrus (Big government is the natural enemy of liberty)
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