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Police State TSA is Trucking Right Along
Dakota Voice ^ | November 1, 2011 | Gina Miller

Posted on 11/01/2011 6:52:47 AM PDT by WXRGina

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1 posted on 11/01/2011 6:52:47 AM PDT by WXRGina
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To: WXRGina

In the 21st century, how does a govt increase security without giving up some freedoms and liberties?


2 posted on 11/01/2011 7:00:07 AM PDT by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: WXRGina

Considering that this police state installation is being done by a regime who actively refuses to enforce immigration laws and attacks any State government who does try to enforce them, the goal is clear. USSA here we go.


3 posted on 11/01/2011 7:01:15 AM PDT by OldArmy52 (Obama, the most corrupt and incompetent President since Carter.)
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To: WXRGina
The whole idea of a Department of Homeland Security is fraught with danger to our liberties. They have expanded their mission to encompass the entire country and have coopted local police agencies to counter the Public Threat, whatever they consider that to be. They aren't just after terrorists, but all manner of illegality.

It is the biggest mastake made in the wake of 911

Mike

4 posted on 11/01/2011 7:08:15 AM PDT by MichaelP (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools ~HS)
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To: WXRGina

Im sure the law & order crowd will be by any time now to explain why all this is good for us.


5 posted on 11/01/2011 7:13:27 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: WXRGina

Absolutely, they know they can’t take a FREE country like ours & shove it all on us at once, so slowy they are indoctrinating us to getting used to these intrusive searches.


6 posted on 11/01/2011 7:14:37 AM PDT by blondee123 (Obama-DICTATOR. Screw the Constitution, EO is all that counts now.)
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To: WXRGina

John Pistole is a piece of fascist garbage.

He should be in a prison cell and passed around from prisoner to prisoner as they each give him their own version of an “enhanced patdown.”

Just say NO! to the Terminally Stupid Agency, the Department of Fatherland Security, and the American Police State!


7 posted on 11/01/2011 7:16:25 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (The "Occupy Wall Street" losers should try occupying their local employment office. GET A JOB!)
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To: stuartcr
In the 21st century, how does a govt increase security without giving up some freedoms and liberties?

How about the same way it's been done in past centuries right here in America? Quit pussy-footing around, and take out the bad guys!

8 posted on 11/01/2011 7:17:23 AM PDT by WXRGina
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THE UCC CONNECTION / Howard freeman http://freedom-school.com/the-ucc-connection.html FOREWORD This is slightly condensed, casually paraphrased transcript of tapes of a seminar given in 1990 by Howard Freeman. It was prepared to make available the knowledge and experience of Mr. Freeman in his search for an accessible and understandable explanation of the confusing state of the government and the courts. It should be helpful to those who may have difficulty learning from such lectures, or those who want to develop a deeper understanding of this information without having to listen to three or four hours of recorded material. The frustration many Americans feel about our judicial system can be overwhelming and often frightening; and like most fear, eventually, with the seemingly tyrannical power of some governmental agency and the mystifying and awesome power of the courts. We have been taught that we must "get a good lawyer," but that is becoming increasingly difficult, if not impossible. If we are defending ourselves from the government, we find that the lawyers quickly take our money, and then tell us as the ship is sinking, "I can't help you with that - I'm an officer of the court." Ultimately, the only way for us to have even a "snowball's chance …" is to understand the RULES OF THE GAME, and to come to an understanding of the true nature of the Law. The attorney lawyers have established and secured a virtual monopoly over this area of human knowledge by implying that the subject is just too difficult for the average person to understand, and by creating a separate vocabulary out of English words of otherwise common usage. While it may, at times, seem hopelessly complicated, it is not that difficult to grasp - are lawyers really as smart as they would have us believe? Besides, anyone who has been through a legal battle against the government with the aid of a lawyer has come to realize that lawyers learn about procedure, not about law. Mr. Freeman admits that he is not a lawyer, and as much, he has a way of explaining law to us that puts it well within our reach. Consider also that the framers of the Constitution wrote in language simple enough that the people could understand, specifically so that it would not have to be interpreted. So again we find, as in many other areas of life, that "THE BUCK STOPS HERE!" It is we who must take the responsibility for finding and putting to good use the TRUTH. It is we who must claim and defend our God-given rights and our freedom from those who would take from us. It is we who must protect ourselves, our families and our posterity from the inevitable intrusion into our lives by those who live parasitically off the labor, skill and talents of others. To these ends, Mr. Freeman offers a simple, hopeful explanation of our plight and a peaceful method of dealing with it. Please take note that this lecture represents one chapter in the book of his understanding, which he is always refining, expanding, improving. It is, as all bits of wisdom are, a point of departure from which to begin our own journey into understanding, that we all might be able to pass on to others; greater knowledge and hope, and to God: the gift of lives in peace, freedom and praise. "I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves, be wise as a serpent and harmless as a dove." INTRODUCTION I was asked to testify in a tax case as an expert witness. After many days of preparation, I felt confident of my research. I spent over 30 minutes presenting many Supreme Court decisions that supported the defendant's position. The prosecution concluded his statements, and to my amazement, the judge told the jury that they could only consider certain facts, none of which were the facts I had given. As soon as the trial was over I went around to the judge's office and he was just coming in through his back door. I said, "Judge, by what authority do you overturn the standing decisions of the United States Supreme Court. You sat on the bench while I read that case law. Now how do you, a District Judge, have authority to overturn decisions of the Supreme Court?" He says. "Oh, those were old decisions." I said, "Those are standing decisions. They have never been overturned. I don't care how old they are; you have no right to overturn a standing decision of the United States Supreme Court in a District Court." PUBLIC LAW V. PUBLIC POLICY He said, "Name any decision of the Supreme Court after 1938 and I'll honor it, but all the decision you read were prior to 1938, and I don't honor those decisions." I asked what happened in 1938. He said, "Prior to 1938, the Supreme Court was dealing with Public Law; since 1938, the Supreme Court has dealt with Public Policy. The charge that Mr. S. was being tried for is a Public Policy Statute, not Public Law, and those Supreme Court cases do not apply to Public Policy." I asked him what happened in 1938? He said that he had already told me too much - he wasn't going to tell me any more. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------- Read the rest at the link above.
9 posted on 11/01/2011 7:19:08 AM PDT by phockthis
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To: OldArmy52

The other thing to take into consideration is that the DHS was created under GW Bush our illustrious GOP president. So don’t look for the GOP to push for controlling TSA or the DHS. They love power as much as the progressives do. I used to believe that the GOP would save us from this encroaching tyranny but now I think only CW2 or some kind of a grid down situation will be able to shake things up enough to get the average american off their duff and ready to restore their freedoms. For all intents and purposes we have already morphed into a more sophisticated version of the USSR.


10 posted on 11/01/2011 7:24:05 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: phockthis

THE UCC CONNECTION / Howard freeman

http://freedom-school.com/the-ucc-connection.html

FOREWORD

This is slightly condensed, casually paraphrased transcript of tapes of a seminar given in 1990 by Howard Freeman. It was prepared to make available the knowledge and experience of Mr. Freeman in his search for an accessible and understandable explanation of the confusing state of the government and the courts. It should be helpful to those who may have difficulty learning from such lectures, or those who want to develop a deeper understanding of this information without having to listen to three or four hours of recorded material.

The frustration many Americans feel about our judicial system can be overwhelming and often frightening; and like most fear, eventually, with the seemingly tyrannical power of some governmental agency and the mystifying and awesome power of the courts. We have been taught that we must “get a good lawyer,” but that is becoming increasingly difficult, if not impossible. If we are defending ourselves from the government, we find that the lawyers quickly take our money, and then tell us as the ship is sinking, “I can’t help you with that - I’m an officer of the court.”

Ultimately, the only way for us to have even a “snowball’s chance …” is to understand the RULES OF THE GAME, and to come to an understanding of the true nature of the Law. The attorney lawyers have established and secured a virtual monopoly over this area of human knowledge by implying that the subject is just too difficult for the average person to understand, and by creating a separate vocabulary out of English words of otherwise common usage. While it may, at times, seem hopelessly complicated, it is not that difficult to grasp - are lawyers really as smart as they would have us believe? Besides, anyone who has been through a legal battle against the government with the aid of a lawyer has come to realize that lawyers learn about procedure, not about law. Mr. Freeman admits that he is not a lawyer, and as much, he has a way of explaining law to us that puts it well within our reach. Consider also that the framers of the Constitution wrote in language simple enough that the people could understand, specifically so that it would not have to be interpreted.

So again we find, as in many other areas of life, that “THE BUCK STOPS HERE!” It is we who must take the responsibility for finding and putting to good use the TRUTH. It is we who must claim and defend our God-given rights and our freedom from those who would take from us. It is we who must protect ourselves, our families and our posterity from the inevitable intrusion into our lives by those who live parasitically off the labor, skill and talents of others.

To these ends, Mr. Freeman offers a simple, hopeful explanation of our plight and a peaceful method of dealing with it. Please take note that this lecture represents one chapter in the book of his understanding, which he is always refining, expanding, improving. It is, as all bits of wisdom are, a point of departure from which to begin our own journey into understanding, that we all might be able to pass on to others; greater knowledge and hope, and to God: the gift of lives in peace, freedom and praise.

“I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves, be wise as a serpent and harmless as a dove.”

INTRODUCTION

I was asked to testify in a tax case as an expert witness. After many days of preparation, I felt confident of my research. I spent over 30 minutes presenting many Supreme Court decisions that supported the defendant’s position. The prosecution concluded his statements, and to my amazement, the judge told the jury that they could only consider certain facts, none of which were the facts I had given.

As soon as the trial was over I went around to the judge’s office and he was just coming in through his back door. I said, “Judge, by what authority do you overturn the standing decisions of the United States Supreme Court. You sat on the bench while I read that case law. Now how do you, a District Judge, have authority to overturn decisions of the Supreme Court?” He says. “Oh, those were old decisions.” I said, “Those are standing decisions. They have never been overturned. I don’t care how old they are; you have no right to overturn a standing decision of the United States Supreme Court in a District Court.”

PUBLIC LAW V. PUBLIC POLICY

He said, “Name any decision of the Supreme Court after 1938 and I’ll honor it, but all the decision you read were prior to 1938, and I don’t honor those decisions.” I asked what happened in 1938. He said, “Prior to 1938, the Supreme Court was dealing with Public Law; since 1938, the Supreme Court has dealt with Public Policy. The charge that Mr. S. was being tried for is a Public Policy Statute, not Public Law, and those Supreme Court cases do not apply to Public Policy.” I asked him what happened in 1938? He said that he had already told me too much - he wasn’t going to tell me any more.

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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11 posted on 11/01/2011 7:24:21 AM PDT by phockthis
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Exactly, the GOP is NO different than the dems. Its hard to understand why they have such a large following here.


12 posted on 11/01/2011 7:27:09 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: WXRGina

The police state will move forward under both Republican and Democrat regimes.


13 posted on 11/01/2011 7:42:25 AM PDT by FightThePower! (Fight the powers that be!)
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The police state will move forward under both Republican and Democrat regimes.

That's right. We've been watching it happen for decades now.

14 posted on 11/01/2011 7:47:05 AM PDT by WXRGina
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To: Georgia Girl 2

“The other thing to take into consideration is that the DHS was created under GW Bush our illustrious GOP president. So don’t look for the GOP to push for controlling TSA or the DHS. They love power as much as the progressives do. I used to believe that the GOP would save us from this encroaching tyranny but now I think only CW2 or some kind of a grid down situation will be able to shake things up enough to get the average american off their duff and ready to restore their freedoms. For all intents and purposes we have already morphed into a more sophisticated version of the USSR.”

I used to think Republicans could save us as well, but they are as much a part of the problem as Democrats. Republicans might even be worse because they talk about limited government yet when they are in power have consistently increased the power of government. There is a reason for this, it is because both parties are owned by the bankers. Since we have a system where debt is money, government must keep growing, debt must keep growing to keep the system from collapsing. No change to limited government can be made under the current Federal Reserve System.


15 posted on 11/01/2011 7:48:40 AM PDT by FightThePower! (Fight the powers that be!)
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To: stuartcr
“In the 21st century, how does a govt increase security without giving up some freedoms and liberties?”

You don't give up freedoms and liberties, otherwise you end up in a police state. How long before the government can just come into your home and search you any time they want? How long before you need permission to travel? Once these systems are in place they will grow as government always grows. They will be used to stop political opponents of the current regime rather than used to stop “terrorists”.

16 posted on 11/01/2011 7:52:43 AM PDT by FightThePower! (Fight the powers that be!)
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To: WXRGina

How do you know who the bad guys are? You either wait for them to do something bad, or you check and see if they have something bad with them, right?


17 posted on 11/01/2011 8:24:27 AM PDT by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.")
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I do a lot of road traveling like drive cross country several times each year. I know right now, the worst I deal is I get stopped for a traffic violation like speeding or window tint since some states don’t exempt out of state drivers from their tint law.

Now the question, how intrusive are the TSA going to get. Are they going to become a federal equivalent of a highway patrol? Are they going to stick with commercial traffic like truckers and weight stations or actively patrol the roads and stop whoever ? Are they going to go as far as not only doing vehicle searches but also do vehicle inspections such as cite you for equipment infractions ?

Funny thing, I am leaving for a trip this weekend to drive from Colorado to Indiana and then leave my car there and fly back.


18 posted on 11/01/2011 8:25:54 AM PDT by CORedneck
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How do you know who the bad guys are? You either wait for them to do something bad, or you check and see if they have something bad with them, right?

In the so-called "war on terror," we know who the bad guys are. We would do well to secure our borders and stop immigration from Arab countries immediately and focus our efforts on the mosques in America.

One major problem we also have is the disintegration of our national identity and the flood of illegal aliens and other aliens who refuse to assimilate. We even have serious issues with anti-American sentiment in this nation among American citizens who have not been taught our correct history.

There is no easy answer, but dispensing with "politcal correctness" would be a good start.

19 posted on 11/01/2011 8:30:07 AM PDT by WXRGina
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To: FightThePower!

I understand that clearly, how do you think security should be increased that wouldn’t infringe on people’s freedoms?


20 posted on 11/01/2011 8:34:08 AM PDT by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.")
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