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Kevinís Korner: The No-Debating Debate, Branstadís New Career & You Go First Newt
The Iowa Republican ^ | November 6, 2011 | Kevin Hall

Posted on 11/06/2011 5:37:46 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

...The much-hyped Lincoln/Douglas style debate never came close to resembling the Lincoln/Douglas style … Or a debate, for that matter … It did expose Herman Cain’s inability to answer tough questions. Cain was asked about Medicare. He sat there for several seconds with a deer in the headlights look, before finally submitting with “You go first, Newt”. Translation: “I have no idea what you’re asking me. Let’s hears Newt’s answer so I can copy it.” … Cain deferred to Newt again later in the debate when he couldn’t answer a question.

Gingrich was respectful in choosing not to dismantle Cain, which he easily could have done … The “debate”, in which there was no debating, was just slightly more interesting than that LSU/Alabama field goal fest which was ridiculously hyped as the latest “Game of the Century” … Newt had a very good week, shining at the forum in Pella and the Reagan Dinner in Des Moines. If Gingrich can assemble a field organization, he could become a contender and reverse that one-way ticket to Palookaville.

Newt is playing nice with the rest of the field, but Herman Cain will get no such love from Michele Bachmann. She shredded his inconsistencies on the issues during a recent radio interview … That leads us to the Bachmann Bungle of the Week: According to a tweet from Stephen Hayes of The Weekly Standard, Bachmann said on Fox News that she just spoke at “the University of Iowa in Ames.” Wow. Just, wow … I guess that is an easy thing for any “Iowan” to get wrong … She did correct the record moments later, before heading to Waterloo to visit John Wayne’s birthplace....

(Excerpt) Read more at theiowarepublican.com ...


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: campaigning; debating; gopprimary; perryastroturfing; vetting

1 posted on 11/06/2011 5:37:49 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Sounds like most of the debate went over the author’s head. “Where are the sound bites?”


2 posted on 11/06/2011 5:43:18 AM PST by circlecity
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Gee, nice screed from just another establishment blogger. So by posting this shall we take it you agree with him?


3 posted on 11/06/2011 5:43:27 AM PST by mazda77 (and I am a Native Texan)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I see the Perry camp is busy whining because their guy wasn’t on the stage.

How about this. How about Perry accept the invite next time he is invited to his one 1 on 1 debate.

Rather then let the biased spin bots like this author tell you what to think watch the debate for yourself here

http://www.c-span.org/Events/Cain-Gingrich-Debate-Lincoln-Douglas-Style/10737425199/


4 posted on 11/06/2011 5:46:37 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

for later


5 posted on 11/06/2011 5:47:49 AM PST by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It may not have risen to the level of the original LD debates, but it certainly was a lot more informative than what we have been subjected to so far. I addition, while Cain certainly is not on the same level as Newt when it comes to debating, he did exceed expectations. I would like to see more of this style of debates.


6 posted on 11/06/2011 5:49:40 AM PST by rob777
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To: MNJohnnie
I see the Perry camp is busy whining because their guy wasn’t on the stage.

(((Chuckle)))

Good one.

LOL.

Too funny.

Got any more where that came from?

7 posted on 11/06/2011 5:49:42 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Did you watch? Newt and Cain both did well. Newt better of course because he’s more familiar with some of the topics. That was to be expected. But both men got along well, and showed they are worthy of consideration.

I’m frankly glad “Mumbles” Perry wasn’t there last night. It would have been a real bore. As it was it made a point for possibly exchanging this format for the debate format.

But then again, I’m writing to the wind. You don’t care about objectivity. You don’t care about debate. You only care about making hits against anyone not from your camp.

Oh, tell “Mumbles” hi when you see him.


8 posted on 11/06/2011 5:51:56 AM PST by bcsco (A vote for Cain will cure the Pain!)
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To: circlecity
Perry, Huntsman, Santorum, Bachmann, and Romney had pretty good points.

No wait, they didn't think they could do well and didn't go. Oh well, maybe they can criticize the lack of vitriol or something.

9 posted on 11/06/2011 5:53:41 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The Iowa Republican is just another party establishment pimping electronic rag that has very little impact on reality. And this article is just one person’s mental flatus taking form on a screen.


10 posted on 11/06/2011 5:55:01 AM PST by Keith in Iowa (Hope & Change - I'm out of hope, and change is all I have left every week | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Here's some cheese to have with your whine.


11 posted on 11/06/2011 5:55:56 AM PST by McGruff (Hold the House, take the Senate.)
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To: bcsco
I’m frankly glad “Mumbles” Perry wasn’t there last night. It would have been a real bore.

Rick Perry Interview with NH Union Leader

Over an hour of discussion - a normal conversation - not "gotcha" or high-octane, political talking points.

economy
education
balanced budget
drilling
regulations
debates
Romney Care
in-state tuition
HPV shot
border security
Barack Obama
Federal mandates
no pandering for votes
terrorists using U.S. Mexican border
immigration reform
no Fed Dream Act or amnesty
AZ law
work-visa program
examine what our national work force needs are
jobs in Texas - full picture
free-trade
manufacturing in China vs U.S.
wages hurt by the cost of doing business - onerous regulations
Texas right to work state but he's always been endorsed by Teamsters Union (jobs)
multi-national companies (U.S.)
jobs, spending, taxes, regulations
trade laws and tariffs
subsides and tax credits
energy and market place
taxes and lobbyists
Marcus Luttrell
family decision re presidential run
Parade interview "birther" "news"
Afghanistan -- special ops war, troops, Obama policy, war on terror, more funding for technology and R&D
Foreign policy dependent on our economic strength
debating Obama
campaign commitment in NH
review candidates' track record
roughness of campaign -- in to win -- facts can be hard-hitting
Social Security, jobs, national security, being truthful
discusses education, EPA, Energy, HHS
states rights
state transportation infrastructure
ObamaCare, medicare, medicaid, healthcare
Tom Cobrun, Bobby Jindal, Paul Ryan
health care insurance - state by state
health care in Texas, access, tort reform
judges, Supreme Court, federal courts
baseball

12 posted on 11/06/2011 5:57:45 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
..from another article: "The debate didn’t really use a Lincoln-Douglas model, and we ended up hearing from the moderators far too much.."

Other than that it was a great exchange of ideas in a respectful setting. No gameshow format, no food fight, no drama.

No one can outdo Newt on policy facts, statistics, history etc--but Mr. Cain IMO is the one who can inspire the nation, with plenty of gravitas of his own.

I remember Ronald Reagan's first debate with Mondale in '84. He looked overwhelmed--but he ended up winning 49 states...

13 posted on 11/06/2011 5:58:32 AM PST by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: WalterSkinner

The problem with Newt is that we know for a fact that he’ll screw conservatives at the drop of a hat.


14 posted on 11/06/2011 6:01:23 AM PST by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Did he discuss his pollster’s involvement with the Cain hit?


15 posted on 11/06/2011 6:05:35 AM PST by bcsco (A vote for Cain will cure the Pain!)
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To: cripplecreek
The problem with Newt is that we know for a fact that he’ll screw conservatives at the drop of a hat.

Yep. If one wants intelligence, knowledge and erudition, Newt's the man. If one wants consistency, look elsewhere.

16 posted on 11/06/2011 6:07:24 AM PST by bcsco (A vote for Cain will cure the Pain!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I'm surprised you didn't include this link. Then again...
17 posted on 11/06/2011 6:10:21 AM PST by bcsco (A vote for Cain will cure the Pain!)
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To: bcsco

This election is coming down to trust for me.

I trust the amateur who wants to do the right thing vs the pro who has his own agenda and hides it well.


18 posted on 11/06/2011 6:10:46 AM PST by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: bcsco

LOL — The Wash Po?


19 posted on 11/06/2011 6:11:33 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: mazda77
It's no screed and if you go to the source, it has links to video of the particular moments referenced.

I watched the entire debate twice. I know what was said. Do you?

20 posted on 11/06/2011 6:21:27 AM PST by newzjunkey (Republicans will find a way to reelect Obama.)
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To: cripplecreek

I think that’s the way a lot of the electorate feels. They’re sick of the politicians screwing up the country. They want someone from outside the beltway mentality, with no ties to the GOP elite, to get us back on track. If you look at all the other candidates the ties to Washington are there. Even Perry with his early ties to Karl Rove, and his long political career. The fact the electorate stayed with Cain this past week, and even increased their donations during this time, speaks volumes for what they want.


21 posted on 11/06/2011 6:27:57 AM PST by bcsco (A vote for Cain will cure the Pain!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

A conservative writing for the Wa-Po, yes. Better than the posts quoting the idiot radio show host out of Iowa your cohorts have been flagellating us with these past few days. Far better.


22 posted on 11/06/2011 6:30:37 AM PST by bcsco (A vote for Cain will cure the Pain!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I wish we could fuse the best parts of Newt and Cain into one candidate.


23 posted on 11/06/2011 6:34:26 AM PST by Yardstick
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To: bcsco

My first choice was Michele Bachmann due to her short political career and her consistency. I think she’ll be out after Iowa but hopefully she’ll play a part in setting policy in a Cain administration.

She has some top notch ideas but she speaks too much like a politician.


24 posted on 11/06/2011 6:35:05 AM PST by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: newzjunkey

Yep, and we disagree.

I like my whoppers without onions and cheese and I totally accept that you may not like them at all.

But then again, some people have their opinion on what a debate should be, the establishment created the Commission on Presidential Debates and others are simply looking for an honest exchange of ideas.


25 posted on 11/06/2011 6:35:49 AM PST by mazda77 (and I am a Native Texan)
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To: cripplecreek
Better than I am. I'm not up to trusting any of them.

Clearly not having hit the books, I still suspect Cain is a stalker for Romney.

Newt's brilliant and well versed. However, he's made hints that call for closer scrutiny. I can overlook the old baggage but I want to feel confident he can be kept on the reservation. I'm not there yet.

There's no trusting Romney.

Since CA doesn't vote until June participation for me, and millions of others in late states, will come down to a decision to donate. No one's made a sale. I'm not sure any of the candidates will.

26 posted on 11/06/2011 6:39:03 AM PST by newzjunkey (Republicans will find a way to reelect Obama.)
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To: cripplecreek

I liked her at first as well. But she can come across pretty rough. My wife can’t stand her. As with you I still think she has some good ideas but isn’t ready for the grand stage.

When Herman Cain came along, I saw his being the outsider he is as a plus, in addition to his business background. That’s what drew me to him. He’s not Reagan, but he’s personable, well spoken, and is running a stealth campaign. I’m impressed.


27 posted on 11/06/2011 6:43:58 AM PST by bcsco (A vote for Cain will cure the Pain!)
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To: rob777

I missed the debate and forgot to DVR it. I am assuming this; that in a debate with Newt Gingrich on substance and information, one survives only because Newt lets them survive. IMHO. This goes for just about anyone I can think of. I read where Cain and Newt are friendly, being from Georgia together, apart from campaign friendly.

However, with no record whatsoever Cain has it so much easier than those who have done something. Cain wants to try at going the distance on the force of a cheery personality. Some of us just can’t fall for that empty background, since it gave us the cheery personality, Obama.


28 posted on 11/06/2011 7:37:36 AM PST by RitaOK (Texas. Exhibit A for Rick, who needs to pound the fiction flackers back into the Stone Age.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Major fail for the candidates who refused the invitation. Their loss and our gain. Cain and Newt did America great last night. We may have seen the GOP ticket in that ending arms on each other’s shoulder and waves at the audience. They would make a great team.


29 posted on 11/06/2011 7:48:44 AM PST by bgill (The Obama administration is staging a coup. Wake up, America, before it's too late.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This guy must have been watching another channel. Newt and Herman were both informed and detailed in their ideas on entitlement reform. It was one of the best discussions yet. Looks like maybe they are going to team up. Cain/Gingrich or Gingrich/Cain fine by me.


30 posted on 11/06/2011 7:55:58 AM PST by lostboy61 (Only a little side trip,not the whole show)
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To: RitaOK
"I am assuming this; that in a debate with Newt Gingrich on substance and information, one survives only because Newt lets them survive. IMHO. This goes for just about anyone I can think of. I read where Cain and Newt are friendly, being from Georgia together, apart from campaign friendly."


Actually, it was more of a tag team presentation of Republican solutions to America's problems than a debate between the two. They were both complimentary of each other and did not go on the attack, except for targeting Obama. Cain even deferred to Newt a few times to answer a question first, then played off that answer.
31 posted on 11/06/2011 12:03:03 PM PST by rob777
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