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Why Didnít NHTSA Immediately Report Chevy Volt Fire?
National Legal & Policy Center ^ | November 14, 2011 | Mark Modica

Posted on 11/14/2011 12:09:28 PM PST by jazusamo

Volt fire photo

Over five months ago, a Chevy Volt that had been crash tested weeks earlier and was sitting in a government storage facility burst into flames. The story was just recently reported by news outlets like the New York Times , a source that certainly can not be accused of being on a right wing witch hunt to discredit electric cars. The Chevy Volt has been very controversial with questions raised regarding the rush to electrify America's auto fleet at the expense of taxpayers, particularly when the main player in the field is an entry of Government Motors. The latest question that has yet to be asked is, "why did the NHTSA delay reporting the spontaneously combusting Volt?"

Just days before the announcement of the government's burning Volt, a story surfaced on a garage fire in NC involving a Chevy Volt. An initial attempt at secrecy by the reporting news sources failed. The story simply claimed that a plug-in vehicle was being charged in the vicinity of the fire origination. The inference that a Volt was involved had to be made after General Motors entered the investigation. An earlier story on Chevy Volt fires involved a CT garage fire. The Chevy Volt suspected in that fire reignited days after the fire was out and GM commandeered the investigation from local officials. No specific source in the CT incident has been blamed for the fire and speculation pointed to a homemade plug-in vehicle that had been in use for years (without a problem) in the garage before the arrival of the Volt. In fairness, no conclusive evidence has been found in either incident as to what caused the fires.

It is likely that the NC fire prompted a cautious response from the NHTSA as they finally realized that the "S" in their acronym stood for "Safety" and any additional fire issues that arise in the Chevy Volt would bring into question their decision not to immediately notify the public about their burning Volt. The damage to GM and the Obama Administration if they try and downplay any fire hazards for the Volt only to have someone be injured or killed in an incident would be devastating. In the past, the NHTSA seemed to err on the side of safety, as they publicly lambasted Toyota for a perceived unintended acceleration problem. An investigation cleared Toyota of the charges but sales were hurt just as GM was trying to persuade the public that they were on their way to a successful turnaround at the time of its IPO. The response to the Chevy Volt fires differs drastically from that of the Toyota incident.

The statement coming out of the NHTSA is, "Based on the available data, NHTSA does not believe the Volt or other electric vehicles are at a greater risk of fire than gasoline-powered vehicles," the agency went on to say. "In fact, all vehicles - both electric and gasoline-powered - have some risk of fire in the event of a serious crash." Wow, nothing like an unbiased opinion. And how about Consumer Reports, an organization which is supposed to be concerned with consumer safety? Although they also seemed to err on the side of safety in the past, such as when they buried the Suzuki brand with accusations of rollover risks or inaccurately condemned some child car seats, they seem to be taking a soft stance with the Volt fires. From CR piece responding to Volt fires, "As with any new technology, indeed any safety concern, it is imperative to follow all manufacturer-recommended safety precautions. The public has had more than 100 years to adapt to the safety requirements of gasoline, an inherently dangerous fuel. Now the challenge is to develop the same awareness for electrified and electric cars." CR was quick to give the Volt a recommended rating, despite limited data on reliability. Would CR pull its recommendation until further investigation was complete if this were a situation that involved a competitor of Government Motors?

The predictable responses to the Volt fires are coming in with headlines stating. " Federal testers may have caused Chevy Volt fire ." Yeah, they caused the fire by crashing the vehicle. I wonder if there were any vehicles parked near the Volt that will also be blamed for the fire; maybe one sporting a Republican bumper sticker and built in a non-UAW shop. And of course, anyone wanting an unbiased investigation into the Volt fires will be accused of having a right wing agenda.

GM has placed the blame on the NHTSA for not following "protocol" for Chevy Volt accidents. According to GM, the coolant needs to be drained from a Volt involved in an accident along with discharging the battery. The NHTSA statement for procedures for Volt fires is, "Use copious amounts of water if fire is present or suspected" and "fire can occur for a considerable period after a crash." The agency says damaged vehicles should be kept in an open area rather than an enclosed building or garage and away from other vehicles and tow-truck drivers or salvage-yard operators should contact the vehicle's manufacturer rather than attempt to discharge the battery themselves.

Keep damaged vehicles in an open area and away from other vehicles? Why not just add to the protocol having someone scream "fire in the hole!" every 30 minutes? Look, the assertion that the Chevy Volt should not be assumed to be a fire hazard before investigations are complete is logical. But it is also logical to want transparent reporting on the Chevy Volt, particularly involving safety concerns. It is reasonable to expect the NHSTA and GM to immediately notify the public of safety protocol that can save lives, even if Chevy Volts ultimately are cleared of being at fault for the initial cause of any fires they were involved in. Also, the additional procedures needed to be followed in Volt accidents diminishes the value of the vehicle and raises the costs for fire, rescue and towing operations, some of which will surely be at the expense of taxpayers. And for what benefit?

According to the original Bloomberg report on the NHTSA Volt fire , LMC Automotive, a forecasting firm based in Oxford, England, predicts electric vehicles will make up 1 percent of the U.S. car market in 2020. Is having 1% of America's auto fleet operating on electricity 10 years from now worth the billions of taxpayer dollars being spent on the quest? How much is this really going to lessen foreign oil dependence? The wasteful spending is being supported by the same people who dismissed suggestions for additional drilling in America because it would take years to get the oil to market. But having 1% of cars running on coal in ten years is a worthy cause?

Our government's vested interest in GM and the Chevy Volt brings into question actions by other government agencies like the NHTSA when it comes to reporting safety concerns like the Volt fire. Meanwhile, costly green initiatives like the Obama Administration's attempt to electrify America's auto fleet are doing little to benefit America. Billions of dollars are being spent at a time that our country can not afford it. The beneficiaries will continue to be cronies that become rich at the expense of taxpayers while politicians get their return in the form of lobbyists' contributions. The green initiatives folly should be put in check, it is now not a matter of ideology, but of common sense.

Mark Modica is an NLPC Associate Fellow.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: chevyvolt; gm; governmentmotors; safety

1 posted on 11/14/2011 12:09:34 PM PST by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo
Automobiles spontaneously combust ALL the time...
2 posted on 11/14/2011 12:10:48 PM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25 percent more sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: All

Working link:

http://nlpc.org/stories/2011/11/14/why-didn%E2%80%99t-nhtsa-immediately-report-chevy-volt-fire


3 posted on 11/14/2011 12:10:54 PM PST by jazusamo (The real minimum wage is zero: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Chevy Corvair reincarnated as the Chevy Volt.


4 posted on 11/14/2011 12:19:34 PM PST by Surrounded_too
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To: jazusamo
"why did the NHTSA delay reporting the spontaneously combusting Volt?"

Cause the guy who owns NHTSA also owns GM, the company that makes the Volt? Just a guess.

Yet another item to file under "Can You Imagine the Reaction If This Had Happened Under a Republican President."

5 posted on 11/14/2011 12:20:05 PM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: Steely Tom
"why did the NHTSA delay reporting the spontaneously combusting Volt?"

They thought Joe Paterno had done so already?

6 posted on 11/14/2011 12:23:26 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: Steely Tom

Yep, and even if not technically owned by same guy he’s got a world of influence over Government Motors and NHTSA.

Obama has got to be tubed next year!


7 posted on 11/14/2011 12:24:57 PM PST by jazusamo (The real minimum wage is zero: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

“Use copious amounts of water if fire is present or suspected.” Damn straight thinking there. You need to cut that whiskey while you’re roasting marshmallows over your neighbor’s crashed Volt.


8 posted on 11/14/2011 12:25:23 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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9 posted on 11/14/2011 12:25:31 PM PST by jazusamo (The real minimum wage is zero: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
GM commandeered the investigation from local officials.

What branch of government is GM?

-PJ

10 posted on 11/14/2011 12:28:56 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: jazusamo
Mark Modica is a LIAR

He's been against the Volt and keep posting story after story about the Volt. He tells lies and half-truths. The first fire that happened and was reported in the news media was determined to be caused by faulty wiring in the garage of the Volt owner. The same thing happened to a guy down the street from me because of a clothes dryer that was stuck on for a very long time. The electrical wiring overheated and caused the fire. This is exactly why the first fire occurred. Anyone familiar with house wiring should understand this. This happens all the time and there was nothing wrong with the Volt.

The second fire happened 3 WEEKS after a test crash. Unbelievable that the news media would slant the news this way. It's almost as if those who criticize the Volt think gasoline cannot be ignited after a crash in a conventional ICE vehicle. This Mark Modica is a fool and buffoon and he has it in for GM. It seems to be the only reason for his existence. It's killing him that the Volt is gonna be a major success.
11 posted on 11/14/2011 12:29:29 PM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: truthguy; Mark Modica

It’s customary to ping a FReeper, especially when you call him a liar.

Please link an article that specifically names a cause of the first fire. The Fire Marshall never came up with a cause that I’ve read and they turned the investigation over to GM and the owners’ insurance company. I’ve never seen a fire department that turned a fire investigation over to a company whose product may have caused the fire.

Mark Modica, if you actually read his articles has never claimed the Volt caused that fire so you have an apology to make.


12 posted on 11/14/2011 12:41:22 PM PST by jazusamo (The real minimum wage is zero: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

ping


13 posted on 11/14/2011 1:02:14 PM PST by VaRepublican (I would propagate taglines but I don't know how. But bloggers do.)
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To: Surrounded_too

It’s the Chevy Dolt


14 posted on 11/14/2011 1:04:00 PM PST by Noumenon (The only 'NO' a liberal understands is the one that arrives at muzzle velocity.)
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To: Surrounded_too
Chevy Corvair reincarnated as the Chevy Volt.

Sort of the opposite, really. The Corvair was a sound design (though unfamiliar to American drivers; the rear-engine, swing-axle design was used by European carmakers) that was decried as "unsafe". The Volt is evidently an unsafe design, but nobody will bring any serious criticism.

The Corvair was also a decently successful model in terms of sales, racking up 1.8 million+ units sold. There are still more Corvairs on the road than there are Volts, and it's likely to remain that way for quite some time.

15 posted on 11/14/2011 1:36:40 PM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: truthguy
I agree.

Modica is clearly an enemy of the people and should be forced to undergo re-education in Siberia.

16 posted on 11/14/2011 1:49:13 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Surrounded_too
Chevy Corvair reincarnated as the Chevy Volt.

Corvairs have a "cool" factor that Volts will never have. Plus, they run only on gasoline.

17 posted on 11/14/2011 2:02:10 PM PST by Disambiguator
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To: jazusamo

“No specific source in the CT incident has been blamed for the fire and speculation pointed to a homemade plug-in vehicle that had been in use for years (without a problem) in the garage before the arrival of the Volt. In fairness, no conclusive evidence has been found in either incident as to what caused the fires.”

“Look, the assertion that the Chevy Volt should not be assumed to be a fire hazard before investigations are complete is logical. But it is also logical to want transparent reporting on the Chevy Volt, particularly involving safety concerns. It is reasonable to expect the NHSTA and GM to immediately notify the public of safety protocol that can save lives, even if Chevy Volts ultimately are cleared of being at fault for the initial cause of any fires they were involved in.”

Typical left wing attack that tries to discredit messenger. The government intrusion in GM was wrong and continues to be proven so. If Obama doesn’t want to be involved, why doesn’t Treasury sell NOW? Get out of Ally Financial as well.


18 posted on 11/14/2011 6:20:11 PM PST by Mark Modica
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To: Mark Modica; truthguy
Typical left wing attack that tries to discredit messenger.

Exactly correct. I specifically asked truthguy to back up his assertions and he has failed to do so. It's not because he logged off before my post because he posted on another thread after my post to him.

It's evident he hasn't read this article because he has an agenda and he not only supports the Chevy Volt but GM as a whole, even though they've used most every trick in the book to deceive people.

19 posted on 11/14/2011 7:14:19 PM PST by jazusamo (The real minimum wage is zero: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
It's called Crow. Did you think that I had forgot? And when I have a little more time I'll give you even more info on Mr. Modica.

It's official now!

Volt didn't cause fire

I wanted to wait until I had this info before I replied.
20 posted on 11/21/2011 8:20:31 PM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: Surrounded_too
“Chevy Corvair reincarnated as the Chevy Volt.”

“Unsafe At Any Amperage”

21 posted on 11/21/2011 8:25:45 PM PST by decal (I'm not rude, I don't suffer fools is all.)
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To: truthguy; Mark Modica
It's called Crow. Did you think that I had forgot?

I don't understand your obsession with "Crow" but it may be that it shows your immaturity or vindictive nature, quite possibly both.

The cause of the first garage fire in CT is not official by the article you linked. In fact it states in the second article linked in the first, To his credit, Deputy Fire Marshall Rich Winn said it was "too early to tell" anything about the cause of the garage fire.

The only thing it says in the first article is, In that case, the local fire marshal's report concluded the Volt had nothing to do with the cause of the fire. That is according to John Voelker, the author, and there's nothing to back up his statement in either article.

Like I said before, neither I nor Modica has stated we think the fire was started by the Volt. I've looked to try to find a fire investigation report on the cause of the fire in CT and have been unable to locate it or any article with the cause of the fire citing the fire report. If you can find that and not just the say so of the author let us know.

You did forget a matter in which I reminded you of after your first post and that is the matter of pinging Modica when you mention his name as you did in your last post. It's customary here at Free Republic but I suppose you think rules don't apply to yourself.

Lastly. You took the time to call Mark Modica a liar in bold letters but now it seems you don't have the time to back up your allegations because you're too busy. I consider you a four flusher, when you make a person out to be a liar you should be prepared to back it up when you make the statement.

22 posted on 11/22/2011 11:23:33 AM PST by jazusamo (The real minimum wage is zero: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

btt


23 posted on 11/22/2011 11:24:50 AM PST by KSCITYBOY
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To: truthguy

The only thing I saw “official” was that GM did not share safety protocol for the Volt prior to the fires. It then went on to blame NHTSA for not following protocol that did not even exist! Nhtsa also did not immediately report the incident.

Both NHTSA and GM put people at risk with their actions. As far as anyone being dishonest, I never claimed the Volts started the fires. There are certainly issues with lithium ion batteries that are just coming to light. And GM and the Obama Administration has shown itself to be “dishonest” on many occasions. Most readers here know that but as a refresher lets start with, “taxpayers have been repaid in full”, “Volt demand exceeds supply and is virtually sold out”, “taxpayers will make money on GM”, Volt is a game changer for GM”, “Volt gets 230 MPG”, “Volt is pure EV”, the list goes on and on.

Do you even realize that the Volt loses money for taxpayers and GM? Do you think taxpayers should be paying $7,500 plus State credits to the wealthy and fleet purchasers of Volts? Why is GM selling to localities at $29,500 per vehicle, again at the expense of taxpayers giving federal grants if retail demand is so strong? Why did GM stop 2nd shift for Volts? Why so much money spent hyping a vehicle with such low production?

You are entitled to your opinion, why do those of you on the left try to stop those with differing opinions from voicing theirs? My history is out there. I warned investors of risks involved in investing in GM since IPO. I warned of European risks. The few who may have listened avoided losses. What is your interest? Doesn’t take a lot of courage to post under an alias and make accusations.

I’m not going to spend time debating you. GM share price is all one has to look at to see who has been more accurate on the subject.


24 posted on 11/23/2011 8:25:52 AM PST by Mark Modica
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